The Reeking Stench of Insincere Apologists

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1. @ James
   I am in my 50’s. I have talked with 1,000’s of people in my life and learned things about them. The large majority – when young – got drunk and did stupid things. Almost none of them got caught; yet over time they matured and stopped doing the stupid things.
   What I like about Camille’s apology is that it was from the heart. Almost every time someone gets caught doing stupid things, they look down and respond “I dunno” when asked why they did it. Camille’s original apology told us exactly what was going through her mind. And she was ripped to pieces over that in:
   http://therealcamille.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/#comments
   The public condemnation in the comments of that blog is a good thing; she should be forced to read them time and time again. Until she understands that her reasoning was 100% wrong.
   To get back to your question, I would prefer you get drunk, break into my house and steal my tv – rather than break into my house, rape my wife and kill my dog… 😉

2. Camille should be put through the system. Arrest, bail hearing, finger prints, lawyers bills, several appearances in court and then in about 6 months she will find out if she is going to jail or how much her fine will be. Will she be able to get bonded with this type or record? Lot of emplorers demand that. Make her sweat it out and let a judge decide.
   What would happen to you or me if we stole a couple pairs of pants let alone looted a couple pairs of pants in a riot?

3. I agree Gord we should lower the bar. How far is up to you. If you’re drunk and young you’re not responsible! Why even go after any of the rioters at all? They’re all really, really sorry and were just drunk and young! How old do you have to be before being drunk is no longer an excuse to commit crimes?

4. Gord, I’m sure you’re a very nice and compassionate man, but, all the same, what are you thinking by being so lenient on Ms. Cancio?
   I respectfully suggest that it’s adults — parents, teachers, youth workers, etc. — that are the reason we have young people on the rampage, destroying other people’s property, who think that a half-assed apology’s OK because, essentially, they figure that their misdemeanor rates only a two out of 10.
   If you ask the owners of the store Ms. Cancio looted where her robbery of their goods rates on a scale from one to 10, I rather doubt they’d give her a two. (I hope she’s returned the items she stole.)

5. Cross-posted on Ezra’s comments — http://ezralevant.com/2011/06/worlds-stupidest-rioters.html (nobody publishing the comments these days):
   Notice how quickly this violent, dangerous young man was turned into a victim? It happened overnight. Suddenly, he was the target of “twitter threats”, requiring the entire family to flee their home, as if they were in Libya expecting Moammar Ghadaffi’s troops to descend on them at any moment. “If we flee by night maybe we can make it to the U.S. border on time kids — be brave!”, said the heroic father leading the family to freedom from the “vigilantes”.
   And radio talk shows suddenly started referring to the young man’s deplorable actions during the riot as a “mistake” and a “lapse in judgement”, instead of the deliberate endangerment to public safety that it actually represented. After all, they didn’t want to encourage that imaginary horde of twitter twits — coming straight from Libya — to descend on the young man’s home and possibly bombard it with lethal toilet paper rolls.

6. Whoops, above sentence should read:
   I respectfully suggest that it’s adults — parents, teachers, youth workers, etc. — who think just like you that are the reason, etc.

7. In a recent speech, Liberal party president Alf Apps said the following: “We believe … the primary ongoing role of the state should be to transfer power from the powerful to the less powerful.”
   Using Trudeau’s Charter, the Liberal party has done just that, and very successfully. It’s taken three decades, but we now see the inmates running the asylum all over the place: re how they behave, kids exercise a considerable amount of power over their parents, teachers, and the police, who have to look over their shoulders before even attempting to discipline children and “youts”: with the kids’ Charter rights—forget the responsibilities—and the Young Offenders’ Act looming over them, many parents, teachers, and police officers have simply given up. And, in 2011, many of our out of control kids have become parents, teachers, and police officers. Yikes!
   The Liberals have caused major damage to this country. I despise the Liberal Party and can’t think of a single, Liberal politician for whom I have any respect. This party has bled Canada almost dry and its policies are largely responsible for turning our kids into spoiled, entitled brats. Thank God the Liberal Party’s been decimated. I wonder when Canadians will figure out that the NDP is even worse.
   I’m very pleased to see that most of us here have not been hoodwinked by the after-the-fact willingness of the looters and arsonists to “own up”—sort of—to their law breaking. It’s too bad these “good kids” weren’t able to figure out right from wrong—huh?—before they took action.
   And it seems that Nathan didn’t try to light only one fire: what the h*ll’s up with that kid? (The picture of him with his parents, where not one of them is showing the slightest degree of humility—maybe they don’t know what that means—gives a clue.)
   “Video shows Canadian water polo star Nathan Kotylak attempting second riot fire
   “June 20, 2011 2:11 pm ET
   “A Youtube video titled “Name That Moron – 2011 Stanley Cup Rioters Exposed (“Ten Idiots”)” shows Nathan Kotylak attempting to build and fan a fire in an industrial sized plastic garbage can during the intense rioting that followed the loss of the Stanley Cup by the Vancovuer Canucks on June 15th.
   “Continue reading on Examiner.com
   http://www.examiner.com/canada-headlines-in-canada/video-shows-canadian-water-polo-star-nathan-kotylak-attempting-second-riot-fire
   I have some empathy for these kids but not enough to think that their lives should barely skip a beat. And considering the very serious crime of arson, which Nathan K. chose to commit, as far as I’m concerned, he has forfeited his place on any Canadian Olympic team. It’s time for our public officials to get serious about enforcing our laws.
   As Maureen pointed out, the frustration of Canadians, who are fed up with police and courts letting our criminals off, is boiling over in the social media reaction to the riots. Canadians are watching . . .

8. Gord, let’s be clear about something, this was her REAL “Apology” letter: http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Full+text+original+apology+Camille+Cacnio/4977657/story.html
   No reasonable person could possibly consider her words to be a sincere admission of regret.

9. lookout gets to the bottom of the problem, courtesy of the Librano Party of Canada’s Charter of Rights (sic) and Freedoms (sic): the Liberal$’ self-confessed policy since Trudeau: the “transfer [of] power from the powerful to the less powerful.”
   Now, our kids have all the power and the adults, none.
   The chickens are coming home to roost and the **it is hitting the fan, simply the logical outcome of the Librano$’ asinine and subversive policies. Like lookout, I can’t express how happy I am that the LPC has been decimated.

10. Their appologies mean as much as pus out of a pimple.
    At the core these people are sour with caustic entitlement syndrome.

11. Thanks, Robert W. for Camille Cacnio’s “real” apology (sic). Most of it was hectoring, self-justification. WHAT a cry baby. Oops, I’ll bet she’ll think that I’m committing a Charter crime!
    I guess she should have considered that her spoiled, immature, fellow travellers wouldn’t treat her with any more respect than spoiled, immature Camille treated the business from which she STOLE merchandise. And she actually thinks her theft is OK both because MUCH WORSE was happening and because the pants she stole won’t fit anyone she knows. (I kid you not!) Camille is a magic thinker, a diva, and full of it—just as she’s been trained to be. (Things were radically different, thank God, when I was growing up.) And I won’t apologize to poor, little, “persecuted” thief, Camille, for exercising MY Charter right to freedom of expression. (I don’t even know how to text message, let alone Tweet or do Facebook. Whew! At least she can’t accuse me of harassing her.)
    Here’s a teensy, weensy bit of her gag-making self-justification:
    “. . . But you guys [social media types] are completely forgetting that we [the lawbreakers] have rights as well. It is completely unrighteous [it is?] to be spending your entire day(s) [sic] contacting us, re-posting our pictures, and having everybody [sic] collaborate to ruin our lives. Not even the VPD spend that much time on us, so please simmer down a tad bit [sic].
    “Not only that, but Canada prides itself in [sic] being a peaceful country. We Canadians are loved around the world [?] because we know how to handle ourselves [we do, Camille?] and we avoid war as much as possible [huh?]. The actions that I have seen on social media sites are embarrassing to our country and our reputation [I guess more than the riot]. These actions do not reflect the kindness [riots and looting express kindness?] that us [we] Canadians are all known and loved for. . . .”
    GIVE.ME.A.BREAK.
    CAMILLE, GET OVER YOURSELF.

12. Just off the phone with my daughter. In our conversation she told me that she was quite sure that Narcissism (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) has been removed from the DSM (Diagnositc Statistical Manual). In other words, it’s now “normal”. LOL.
    Yup, she’s right
    Narcissistic personality disorder, characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance and the need for constant attention, has been eliminated from the upcoming manual of mental disorders, which psychiatrists use to diagnose mental illness.

13. The allocation of our disposable resources reveals that which is truly valued and important to us. I’ll be curious to see the relative ratios of time, energy and money these perps and their families will voluntarily expend on protection and damage control versus restitution to their victims, including the taxpayers. That will reveal what truly motivates them. The results, so far, are less than encouraging.

14. “What I like about Camille’s apology is that it was from the heart.”
    Oh, come on! She gave a mealy-mouthed mea culpa followed by paragraphs of excuses, smug self-congratulation, whining self-pity, and peevish rants against those who dared to criticize her conduct.
    Who was it who said “Liberalism means never having to say you’re sorry”?

15. Every one of those kids needs to answer for their own badass shit.
    If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.
    Too simple eh?

16. @ Robert W. (Vancouver)
    I read the original unedited apology before I posted. That impressed me a lot more than the new and improved version.
    A young person got drunk and did something stupid. The young person admitted their crime, admitted they were under the influence and said they were ready to be punished in a court of law.
    The young person got angry that her family / friends / work / school were under attack for what she did by herself without influence from those groups. I know I would be…
    The thing she tried to explain was the types of crimes; although some are saying she was trying to minimize her actions, that is not what I read. It is a fact that there were more than 443,000 violent crimes reported in Canada in 2009. Seriously – an average of 1,200 violent crimes a day. This number does not include unreported crimes.
    Once again, I believe she has already been punished by the public through peer pressure. I want her to go to court and get sentenced.
    Having said that, I do not place Camille’s crime in the same category as Nathan Kotylak attempting to burn a police car. And I wonder why some posters consider them equal.

17. I don’t want either idiot in jail. Maybe their parents and teachers…

18. This is a cross post–a response I made to Black Mamba on another thread:
    I’m not part of the flog/hang crew either. However, I’m most definitely not part of the Pollyanna party either: I’ve spent too much time in the company of entitled bullies—”youts” who are cocks of the walk, and know it.
    I can deal with such idiots—I’m logical, feisty, have fine language skills, and am quick on my feet—but I and other teachers like me are no longer allowed to: any “unkind” words, like the sort of tough words (no profanity) I might wish to choose, which are more than justified, are frowned upon. I’m likely to be called into the office, where the miscreants have run to tattle tale: they’re allowed to tattle tale on teachers, and tales are always followed up, especially if the kid’s a viz. min. student. These kids know how to play the system—and the adults—up, down, sideways, and all around.
    I’ve dealt with so many Nathans and Camilles—and their excuse-making, belligerent parents—I have very little sympathy for either of them, who are following the “righteous victim” script to a T. (The useful idiots are falling all over them.) As I’ve said, if these kids had had their wings clipped early on—when it’s not very difficult and the consequences are pretty small—they wouldn’t be in the unenviable position they’re in now.

19. On a side note: http://macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/MLI-Crime_Statistics_Review-Web.pdf
    On page 14, it reports there were approximately 2.6 million crimes reported in Canada in 1999; 2.5 million crimes reported in 2009. Of those, 443,000 were violent crimes.
    The large, large majority of those crimes never resulted in a conviction. Of those that did, how many criminals had their name plastered across the internet?
    When one looks at the purpose of punishment, it is both to to punish and to deter. I am fairly sure that Camille will never get caught up in the moment (drunk or not) in the future. And I am fairly sure none of her friends will… And I am also fairly sure her story will be told the next time Vancouver makes it to the Stanley Cup finals.
    I am quite ready to step back and let a Court of Law handle it from here on in…

20. I think we should just accept her apology before she gets angry again, guys.

21. lookout
    yourself and batb have been consistent in your descriptions of the attitude of today’s yutes…based on experience.
    Many others here seem to have theorized to the point of delusion.
    I would bet almost none of them are familiar with the mud, the blood and the beer.

22. David Mamet, in his new book The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture has a few things to say about leniency for crimes committed:
    Just as the Left, geopolitically, does not recognize enmity (other than on the part of the Right), it judicially does not recognize crime; or that which, historically, was known as crime (that is, behaviour transgressive of those statutes enacted for the protection of society), calling it “error,” or the effect of “environment,” or searching for any artifice to free itself of the mature human necessity of choice and enforcement. So doing, the Left everywhere relaxes those judicial norms which alone can give some measure of certainty to the populace. …
    My generation huddles in ignorance that is felt, on the Left, as a worship of man’s “natural state,” this supposedly being, all human history to the contrary, one of health and peace, ignoring and in fact rejecting both our imperfections as a species and our differences as individuals. (page 45)

23. Huffpo down again?

24. Sorry,wrong thread.

25. It is almost too easy to come down on these fools. Hopefully all this public shaming will help build some character in these youths.

26. So Gord is ready to ‘let the courts handle it’.
    Yeah, we all know how well that works these days. First, it will be at least 18 months before any of them have a court appearance. Then they’ll be lawyered up with the help of the B.C. Civil Liberties enablers, whereby the ‘evidence’ will be found insufficient for a conviction and all will be forgiven/forgotten.
    Score: Rioters 1, Consequences 0
    As for myself, I’ve decided to be an engaged and pro-active citizen. Since young Camille was stupid enough to bring her employer and her University Faculty name into play, it was a simple matter to e-mail and phone both her manager and her Dean to express my feelings as both a potential customer and a taxpayer.
    Actions have consequences.

27. We watched Adler tonight to see what he might say, re his defence of the rioters. It’s been hard to figure out what it is about him that makes me feel “zero at the bone”. I think I figured it out tonight.
    Adler tried to justify his “Stockholm Syndrome”, re the Camilles and Nathans of this world, by focusing his show on the straw man of “corporal punishment”. There was an endless loop of criminal bare buttocks and students being flogged, somewhere in Asia. OUCH! Flogging was presented as altogether barbaric—it’s certainly not nice—but not, until a guest showed up, was it presented as a possible CHOICE re going to jail. There seem to be some merits to giving such a choice. Then, did Adler try to explore any alternatives to jail or corporal punishment re what serious consequences should happen to the Vancouver—“really good people”—criminals? He did not.
    In fact, after putting his anti-corporal punishment bias on record—“I’d be riled if anyone at a school so much as touched one of my kids” or words to that effect—the whole show seemed to be an indictment of corporal punishment. We turned off when the next segment was to be about spanking—depicted as beatings with kids tied down. (If, then, Adler didn’t condemn all kinds of physical punishment, I misjudged him on this, but all the graphics and dissembling up to that point suggested he would.)
    What to do about people like the rioters, who broke the law, is a serious issue—and the jump-off point for this show. Adler exploited it, it seems to me, for his own, little—very shallow: I don’t like punishment for ‘good kids’—meme. Our society has to deal with these no-boundaries miscreants in a substantive way: Adler had a facile look at jail and corporal punishment, as if these were the only alternatives. This was not honest, and not good enough.
    Adler appears to be manipulative and narrow in his focus. The interviews we watched seemed to be spun to match Adler’s agenda: intelligent, probing questions, that would have enlarged the purview of the issue, were noticeably absent.
    Also, Adler’s flogging of the “drug”/herbal remedy that he, himself, uses is so unprofessional, it’s embarrassing. This should not be allowed on SNN. It really debases the currency. (Dr. Ho’s pitch is more authentic!) The Adler “fluff” pieces are also a drawback: we do not need more distractions and junk.

28. No Guff, you’re my kind of guy/gal!
    We’re not talking cuppy-cakes here. When will this country get serious about anti-social/criminal behaviour, especially that which is increasingly being carried out by those who aren’t expected to do so. This “stealth” criminality is no less dangerous for being committed by so-called “respectable” people.
    Enough with tippy-toe—to NO—consequences for hard-core, criminal actions.

29. I would bet almost none of them are familiar with the mud, the blood and the beer.
    Posted by: syncrodox at June 21, 2011 8:20 PM
    Still on that? 😉

30. Yep..;-O

31. I like Soylent Green’s way to control crowds.
    Just come in with a front end garbage truck loader and scoop up the bodies for tomorrow’s meal snack.

32. lookout, as long as we have million dollar high priced hockey players, forget about hoping for a moral change in this country.

33. “I wonder how these terrorists would feel if it was their car being torched or their home being robbed. If the shoe was on the other foot they would demand justice”
    Posted by: james at June 21, 2011 12:28 PM
    Very well said; that sums it up nicely. Even those who are contrite and legitimately regret their actions for the right reasons sometimes still have to pay for their actions.
    Your turn, kiddies.
    mhb23re

34. So Gord is ready to ‘let the courts handle it’.
    @ No Gull
    100% as far as Camille is concerned. 100%… But not for the Nathan’s involved.
    Young / drunk / stoned / stupid was on my resume 30 years ago. My resume today looks totally different – many people today are shocked to see me light a cigarette.
    It is our role to create a future for those who take over from us. It is our role to set standards that are set in stone.
    Everything I have seen tells me that Camille has learned her lesson. Everything I have seen tells me that Nathan learned nothing – he and his parents need to be beaten to a pulp until they recognize Canadian values and accountability. That includes jail time for Nathan – I am nervous that punishment will not be implemented…
    I agree with you on that…

35. Gord, did you read all of Camille’s snivelling self-justification? The National Post calls it “a screed”. It certainly doesn’t sound to me like a sincere apology or that Camille has learned her lesson. She’s still infected with the Me-Me-Me virus. E.g., After the principal leaves the room after accepting the student’s mealy-mouthed “apology” with ridiculous excuse attached—and accepted by the principal (“Whew: that’s done!”)—the kid rolls the eyeballs and smirks . . . and continues to behave disrespectfully when it suits.
    I’ll bet Camille’s pretty smug about her push back. Perhaps she won’t do any more looting, but she seems to think that she’s entitled “to fulfill the adrenaline rush I was looking and hoping for”, as if this hitherto unknown “right” must necessarily be allowed—at her choosing, and, hey, don’t bother me any more about it.
    I’ve expressed my concern about the mob mentality of the social media and its heavy-handed response: these kids can’t take it but they sure can dish it out! But consider: they’re involved in the same herd behaviour for which Camille’s letting herself off the hook: remember that adrenaline rush she deserved? The idiots, who are making threats—breaking the law like she did—seem to be somewhat the same the kind of people that she and Nathan—a really serious case—are: self-referential, entitled, think-of-the consequences-after-the-fact—and then say, “No thanks, not for me”.
    So far, society has answered “Okey-dokey. You don’t like/want consequences. Then you won’t have them. Well, maybe a teensy-weensy bit of discomfort—sorry!—but then get on with your life and don’t worry about it.”
    The victims of these kids’ disrespect and damage? “Suck it up and stop being vindictive.” This coddling of the perpetrators and maligning of the victim is a pretty combustible combination. People are furious about this injustice. Our authorities—who are charged with protecting us and with using the laws of the land to give consequences commensurate with the wrongdoing carried out—have pretty well abandoned the law-abiding citizens of this country. When laws are arbitrarily applied or, worse yet, ignored, the rule of law is seriously jeopardized.
    We have a whole generation of “youts” who’ve never seen the law applied without fear or favour. They’ve watched sleazy politicians transgress and get away with it—with a smile. Those are their role models. These kids have become really good at gaming the system, and, with the adults scared stiff of disciplining anyone for fear of being caught out, the inmates are effectively running the asylum. It’s got to stop somewhere. I’d prefer it to stop with the adults and the law in charge, not the adrenaline rush of the adult toddlers out here.

36. So Camille doesn’t think that what she did – stealing clothes from a store – was all that serious.
    Doesn’t the little moron realize that what she and cohorts did – damaging and vandalizing the store, stealing merchandise – means that it will be several weeks or longer before the store can reopen (clothing is seasonal merchandise and this difficult to replace). During that time, the store owner will not have an income and his employees will also be out of work. What if the owner’s insurance policy won’t cover the damage because it occurred during a riot?

37. Barbara, very good points: apparently, insurance doesn’t cover the damage.
    Re the Vancouver brats: these kids are loved by those who know them, and that’s as it should be. But having to face the music, in a substantive way, is also as it should be: to learn, one must have to reap what one sows. Justice isn’t just about mercy. It also includes being responsible, being remorseful—an almost forgotten concept—and paying some kind of restitution to those hurt by one’s actions.
    By David Warren
    “Guilt and Shame”
    “. . . They were taught ‘self-esteem’; and they were taught that guilt and shame are evils. They were taught that they have ‘rights,’ without regard to duty, and that they are entitled to ‘respect’ which they need never earn. They were taught that religion is the principal oppressor of mankind, and that all forms of morality are bogus, especially the sexual.
    “And all of these ideas were expressed in the course of the rampage. To the older and more bourgeois, the principal imagery was of these children hamming it up before the cellphone cameras, and through all ‘social media.’ Far from expressing anger and rage, they were striking happy poses. They were enjoying themselves, on a large scale, as we see them enjoying themselves towards closing time in almost any campus pub. . . .”
    http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/
    I’ve watched this train wreck coming for decades. It’s now “up close and personal” for all of us. If Canadians who should know better go all squishy with the wreck hulking and about to run over us, we’re really in trouble—and will deserve the complete disintegration of the rule of law in this country. I’d like to think we’re not that stupid. But, I have my doubts . . .

38. My father used to tell me that integrity and morals are measured by what you do when you are at no risk of discovery. IE would you steal money if there was no chance of being caught? If so then you have neither integrity or morals. On the other hand would you do an act of kindness even if no one would ever know you did so? Again your actions would show who you are and what you believe in.
    These kids (actually young adults) have shown that they lack both morals and integrity. They thought they could get away with their actions and now they need to pay the price. I hope they can learn from this experience but again their actions show us that it is unlikely. I pity them, they could be so much more than they are but they fail to see that they are responsible for their actions. Until they do, and I really hope they will someday learn the value of integrity, they will continue to be nothing more than spoiled, irresponsible children.

39. What these young people did was wrong, and they ought to take full responsibility for their actions, while apologizing with real sincerity and remorse for their crimes.
    However, I don’t understand why Mr. Levant had to dwell on the issue of race. Specifically, I don’t see why the fact that Asians are (positively) stereotyped as more law abiding, educated members of society had to be featured in the name of balanced journalism. The stereotype exists, yes. But using it to express severe disappointment in actions of a few with regards to their RACE seems unnecessary. If anything, doing so reinforces, or mutely insinuates contempt and mistrust for other Asians who may or may not one day behave as Lee and Cacnio did.
    What these thugs did was wrong and abominable;(Cacnio is clearly an idiot and her blogged “apology” is self-righteous rubbish), but the severity and disappointment in these individuals should never be expressed in the fact that they’re Asian (…and we all expect Asians to behave a positive way.) RATHER, we express disappointment because we expect EVERYONE, all members of society, to behave as educated, moral human beings.

40. I sent an e-mail to Ms. Cacnio’s (former) employer, since she ’embroiled’ them in her action by naming them in the Vancouver Sun. I immediately received the following reply. My response to their reply follows as well.
    I also wrote to the Dean of the Faculty of Science at UBC, where she attends. Needless to say, it being part of the ‘public sector’ I don’t expect to receive a response, let alone a prompt response. What a difference between the public and private sectors!
    Subject: RE: Burrard Acura General Inquiry
    Importance: High
    Dear Mr. *****,
    Like you Burrard Acura, the Dilawri Group and all our employees were very saddened by the events of last week. For the same reasons that none of us wish Vancouver to be now associated with the rioters, we wish no association with individuals involved with the riots and looting. Our employees are all subject to extensive checks prior to hiring and Camille Cacnio was no exception, how were we to know that this full scholarship student from UBC part of their competitive rowing team would come to humiliate her family, school, employer and herself.
    As such we immediately terminated her employment once the evidence surfaced on Saturday morning. Which has been widely reported on the internet, newspapers and television. I suspect you simply did not extend your research and simply did not know before you wrote your email. Most emails we are now receiving now are kudos for being the first to take action toward a rioter.
    We remain dedicated to our customer and our communities across Canada though our philanthropic actions and support.
    ————————————————
    Thank you for your prompt response. Indeed I had not heard that Dilawri group had taken action when I wrote the e-mail. But does give me an opportunity to congratulate you for doing the right thing for the City of Vancouver, Burrard Acura and even Ms. Cacnio. While she and other participants may feel the penalty paid is unfair, if we are to prevent such anti-social and vicious behavior in the future, young men and women who choose to act out against their fellow citizens must understand that a heavy price will be paid.
    I note that an instigator in the G20 riot in Toronto, notorious for planning and participating in numerous ‘protests’, was again given a civil discharge and on release he vowed to “see everyone at the next event”. Many of us are left to believe that if our courts will not protect our streets and property, then the financial penalties of a lost job, a lost scholarship or similar types of personal cost may effect change in the minds of those who might otherwise be inclined to act out.
    You’ve done the right thing and I applaud you and your company.

41. No Guff – as much as I despise that narcissistic amoral little fool (and I really do), you’re a sanctimonious snitch. Say you do recieve a response from the University; are you then going to continue to make it your business to ruin her life, or might you instead take up a benign hobby of some kind – knitting, say?

42. Okay, “snitch” is harsh, and inaccurate – I apologize for that. The info re. Ms. Cacnio is out there now; nobody’s in the dark about any crucial details. It’s not like a real criminal’s identity is hidden; in such a case, I might respect actual “snitching”. The idiot girl is already a laughingstock. You’re not inspector Javert, are you? You might leave her alone.

43. Her lack of remorse and humility is salt on the wounds for anyone who is angered or embarassed by what she’s done to our city and its reputation. Sure, she’s not alone, but it’s no excuse to be one of many. All I can say is that if I ever see her resume on my desk, or ever come accross her in business, she will not fare well with me. She should leave Vancouver – her “apology” merits no forgiveness.

44. I wouldn’t hire her either, but I wouldn’t hound her.

45. Black Mamba;
    Nice to see you walk back the comments you made to No Guff at 2:02am. Don’t stop though at apologizing for calling him a “snitch”. Your use of the word sanctimonious was just as ill advised.
    Fact is that you wouldn’t know No Guff if you tripped over him. You have no basis for saying he’s hypocritical in any way, shape or form or that he’s feigning piety or righteousness.

46. Well, I’ll change “sanctimonious” to “smug” to avoid the connotation of insincerity, which isn’t what I was aiming for, but what does the fact that I wouldn’t recognize No Guff have to do with anything?
    I’ve said what I have to say.