Sarah Palin takes aim on her Facebook page;
President Reagan said, “We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state, not with those who listen to talk radio, not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle, not with law-abiding citizens who respectfully exercise their First Amendment rights at campaign rallies, not with those who proudly voted in the last election.
The last election was all about taking responsibility for our country’s future. President Obama and I may not agree on everything, but I know he would join me in affirming the health of our democratic process. Two years ago his party was victorious. Last November, the other party won. In both elections the will of the American people was heard, and the peaceful transition of power proved yet again the enduring strength of our Republic.
Vigorous and spirited public debates during elections are among our most cherished traditions. And after the election, we shake hands and get back to work, and often both sides find common ground back in D.C. and elsewhere. If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas. But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.
And in the interest of fairness and balance, the Left’s response (language advisory);
More at Instapundit.
Charles Krauthammer: “The origins of Loughner’s delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman’s?”
“The New York Times has crossed a moral line.”
“Nobody is saying there isn’t crazy talk on the left. They’re just saying there is more of it on the right, and there is a corresponding increase in violence on the right as well.”
And we’re saying BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!(I think profanity is appropriate here)
Alright John, waiting for the montage of “violent right-wing rhetoric” anytime now.
Rose said:
“Gawd help the US now that the Media has been outed as part of the “Progressive Movement” things are really going to get ugly via leftwing violence.”
Damn right Rose! The Progressives have no idea how ready we are.
@ChrsinMB & @Spindiana
— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.
— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
— December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.
— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.
— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
— April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
— June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)
— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
— September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year–old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
“…there is a corresponding increase in violence on the right as well. ” John @ Jan. 12, 5:39
Where, EXACTLY, is the ” increase in violence on the right …” you refer to?
If you can’t provide an example, we’ll have to assume you were referring to yourself when you said “Nobody is saying there isn’t crazy talk on the left. “?
And… wouldn’t you agree that Pres. Obama should propose Secret Service protection for Sarah Palin, tonight, to protect her from unstable persons who might act at the instigation of those calling down death threats on her? Death threats are not crazy talk, they are a crime, and a deadly serious matter. People who wish to engage in public service shouldn’t have to risk their lives to do so.
Dear Me John you sure did have to dig up a few examples, wanna eat your own propaganda? Well it appears the left are going to have to eat their hatred because it’s now being logged on a daily basis. And by the way John your list is basically one day of leftwing hatred on a normal hatefilled leftarded day in the US.
Link thanks to above poster’s recommendation: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/media-research-center-documents-liberal#
Its simply tawdry and dispicable to make these wild accusations of a ‘climate of hate’ while simultaneously calling for the shooting of Sarah Palin.
Next these commentators will be ‘faking their deaths in mass graves’.
H/T to Bobzorunkle for the Alan Dershowitz link.
“The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term.”
The shootings were a tragedy, period. There was nothing ‘politically movtivated’ about them.
The gross mischaracterization of what was obviously a person with mental issues fits the definition of ‘blood libel’.
As Drudge is now reporting:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/jared-loughners-friend-says-suspect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040
‘Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.
He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.’
Mark 1:32-34
32 That evening, at sundown, they brought to him all who were sick or possessed with demons. 33 And the whole city was gathered together about the door. 34 And he healed many who were sick with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and he would not permit the demons to speak, because they knew him.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Will Playboy add her to the list of conservative women they want to rape?
This horrendous column didn’t do anything to poison the tone of the political debate.
http://tinyurl.com/292ekb5
Facts john?
you lost me at neo-Nazi = right winger
Once you have links, and proof of ‘right-wing’ associations you might have something to go on. for now, I’ll assume that those from the Neo-National Socialist Party are not right-wing conservatives.
small c conservative – thanks; that’s an exceptionally accurate statement of Obama and his behaviour in this situation. Yes, he’s setting himself up as the Messiah. He could have stopped the rhetoric on Saturday by instantly moving and saying: ‘Stop the political rhetoric’. He said nothing; he allowed it to escalate – for his own benefit.
John – please see the following link of Michelle Malkin’s outline of left rhetoric and actions of violence against Palin, Bush, anti-Abortionists, etc.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/
As for your list, I’m afraid you can’t claim it as political rhetoric or actions of the right.
Your examples of 2008, by the way, took place while the GOP was in power. And nazism is not an ideology of the right but of the left. Furthermore, your examples of lone individuals certainly do not align them with the political ideology of the right (conservativism).
White supremacy is not an ideology of the right nor is holocaust denial. ‘Sovereign’ citizens are individuals, not political agents.
NOT ONE, I repeat, NOT ONE of your examples has any evidence of ideological ties to the political right. Because an individual is angry at taxes, or at the police, or a court – so what? That’s what he’s angry about. There is NOTHING in your examples that is aligned with the political right.
However, check out Malkin’s blog; those examples are all of the ideological left.
The link for John’s examples of the rise of right wing violence coincidentally occurring at the same time as the rise of right wing violent and gun-based rhetoric.
What is particularly funny is to hear right whinghers once again claiming victimhood in these circumstances when all so many were all so quick to blame the Fort Hood nutbar as being political assassination.
They’d have a shred of credibility if they had a shred of consistency.
Be afraid, Iggy. Very afraid.
Your left-liberalism is a failure, Iggy.
You are a loser, Iggy. Go home, Iggy.
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“Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings”
http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/
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“Ignatieff hails Canada’s gun control”
Toronto Star
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http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2011/01/12/passing-the-hot-potato/#comment-58690
I’ve been lurking here and elsewhere since the tragic events of Saturday, and have withheld comment until now. I wanted some time for the events to age a little.
My early reactions were of anger at the bald-faced opportunism displayed by the professional left, politicizing this tragedy for partisan gain. But, the politicizing continued unabated, even when it became clear no connection could be drawn between the shooter and the right. Indeed, in spite of this lack of connection, the left seemed to double down on the rhetoric.
My take on things is that the left has vastly overplayed its hand here, and has stepped far over the line of civilized discourse. So far, in fact, that they’ve “jumped the shark.” I don’t quite know how it will manifest itself moving forward, but my gut feeling is that there will be significant repercussions from this week’s irresponsible behavior from the left. This event is a significant turning point of some kind — a paradigm shifter. I can feel it.
One other thing. I cannot shake a large feeling of unease at the speed with which the left was engaged. Some victims still had not been admitted to hospital when the likes of Krugman and Dupnik were linking the shooting to the right. The left wing blogosphere was right on their heels. The effort seemed coordinated.
NOT ONE, I repeat, NOT ONE of your examples has any evidence of ideological ties to the political right.
I’ll admit that I think John is correct about Jim David Adkisson.
The rest is BS.
One single example doesn’t make John’s point.
when all so many were all so quick to blame the Fort Hood nutbar as being political assassination.
If you admit that Islam is a political ideology, then yeah, the Fort Hood massacre was blamed on the influence of Islam by many here, probably myself included.
The influence of Islam in the massacre was covered up by the Left wing MSM.
Frum who is this guy?
“When profiles of Obama’s first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, noted that he once sent a dead fish to a pollster who displeased him, a characteristically subtle statement carrying more than a whiff of malice and murder, it was considered a charming example of excessive — and creative — political enthusiasm.”
Rahm’s obviously a fan of the Godfather movies.
The message is hardly “subtle”, in the movie Sonny Corleone is sent the fish wrapped in a newspaper,which IS fitting,and it’s explained to him by one of the oldtimers,”it means Clemenza sleeps with the fish”.
“Charming”, White House Chief of Staff style.
I wonder if Loughner will be found dead in his cell before his trial date. I would not be at all surprised.
So let me get this straight… I post a list of documented crimes committed by rightwing extremists, and you guys equate it with phone-ins of death threats. Yeah, I can see how those are exactly the same.
And sorry, but when you have guys running around shooting people because they’re mad about a Black president, or worried that somebody is going to take away their guns, or mad about taxes (a classic teaparty bitch), then yeah, they’re probably rightwing.
And what my list doesn’t include is the granddaddy of them all, the Oklahoma City bombing by a rightwing extremist. The worst in US history before 9/11. While these groups disappeared under Bush (probably because they were happy with the direction he took the country), they have reappeared, which is why the Dept of Homeland Security is concerned.
Since Obama’s election, threats against the president and other elected officals have increased by a factor of 4 compared to Bush. And recently, an 3 Republicans resigned out of fear of Tea Party threats. Yeah, no problem at all.
All I, and many others are saying, is tone down the hate. I’m all for toning it down on both sides.
@6:06 – Hyperventilating – oh yes, Fort Hood. Allahu Akbar! he screamed, before opening fire on the American soldiers. I guess we’ll never know why.
Can you really not distinguish between a mass killing where the murderer’s motive is chrystal-clear, acknowledged and articulated, and one where there is no evidence tying the psycho to anything outside of the voices in his head? (In Loughner’s case those voices seem mainly to have been obsessed with something along the lines of how language manufactures reality. Hmmm, I think I blame Foucault).
“Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.”
That Rahm thing always struk me as the sort of idea Tony’s thick nephew Christapha Moltisanti would have come up with in The Sopranos; a self-dramatizing movie-obsessed idiot trying to look like a stylish bad-ass.
John, I have a question for you: in your opinion, was Loughner was motivated by right-wing/conservative/Tea Party politics?
This thread is about the fact that media and politicians alike EXPLICITlY named Sarah Palin as a causative factor in the murders in Arizona – a politically motivated accusation that was both false and repulsive, and that deserves every bit of the withering condemnation it has received.
It is not about every alleged motivation of every attack in the history of mankind.
So stay on topic.
Now Ignatieff is trying use this tragedy to cash in on his political agenda. This man is not only sick & twisted, but incapable of articulating any sort of logical thought.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/920779–ignatieff-hails-canada-s-gun-control
To be perfectly honest I wonder how much of this is better laid at the feet of urban bigotry. I have often seen the bigotry of Torontonians against Albertans or other Westerners especially those whom Torontonians view as rural.
The New York Times views itself as the most urban urbanite that ever existed, therefore anything outside of its immediate purview is rural. Arizona being ‘rural’ in the NYT’s view means that they are a bunch of hicks clinging to their guns and religion as they lap up every word that Fox, Palin etc whisper. In the NYT’s view the people down there are so unsophisticated that they are prone to follow any prompting of a co-religionist like Palin and commit mass murder. Of course that urban bigotry also helps explain the hatred toward anyone who comes from a backwater state like Alaska that dares trod the national stage. Having observed the development of political discourse in North America the left/right dichotomy does not quite sufficiently explain the left’s hatred. It is much more akin to the hatred of bigotry based on ignorance.
@EBD
I’m not sure. To be perfectly honest, my kneejerk reaction was yes, he was. In a gun-crazy state, a bunch of Democrats get gunned down, after we’ve seen and read so much about “armed revolt”, so it made sense in a sick way.
But now, who knows. Looks like he’s mostly just crazy, BUT in a culture so drenched in gun violence, and so full of hateful talk, I think there is a strong case to be made for this helping to set off the crazies.
I stand by those (including the victim herself) who think Palin was wrong to put the targets on the map and to use repeated gun metaphors, especially when so many of her base loves to talk about using their guns on liberals.
john- your list doesn’t show that any of these people were ‘right-wing extremists’. You haven’t shown that any of their actions were because of an ideological commitment to either the political right OR the left. You totally misunderstand the issue.
These were individual actions. Because someone is angry at the police doesn’t mean that their anger is political; because they are upset at taxes doesn’t mean that their anger is political!
The anger of the left is clearly shown in their rhetoric of ‘The only dope worth shooting is Bush’; and ‘Kill Bush’; and ‘kill Palin’. No, these people of the left didn’t disappear under Bush; those violent demonstrations took place during his time. And they were violent. Again, take a look at Malkin’s outline.
Your link asks for ‘leftist’ violence. Well, the Kennedy assassination was one example. The various Weatherman bombings, the friend of Obama, Bill Ayers and his violence…and so on.
Your error is to consider that if an individual takes violent action against another – then, it is a political act. AND, a political act of the right. You’ve absolutely no proof of either.
The Oklahoma bombing wasn’t carried out by someone allied to ‘the right’. McVeigh was against the federal handling of Waco, and against government – that is neither a ‘right’ nor a ‘left’ political ideology. Both the ‘right’ and the ‘left’ political ideologies support government; the difference is in the role of the government.
As for ‘since Obama’s election’ the threats have increased – that is indeed valid. But it’s Obama who is, in my view, the polarizing agent. He has deliberately set up class division and anger, with his constant references to ‘the greed of the wealthy’; his references to greedy doctors who ‘cut off limbs for money’.
How about his constant racial and ethnic references – everything from ‘they acted stupidly’ to his telling hispanics that they should go out and fight ‘the enemy’ (GOP and anyone against illegals)?
What about his constant hostile references to anyone who criticizes him, his attempts to silence them (Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh). George Bush never said a harsh word against those who ranted against him; indeed – he said it was their right to dissent. Obama? He insists that people stop criticizing him!
Obama is the most divisive and polarizing president the US has ever had and he’s created more partisan bias than we’ve seen in a generation.
Again, your examples who angry individuals. But anger is not a property of a political ideology, either of the right or the left. You have provided us with no evidence of any political causality.
Time for an msnbc poll to go horribly wrong:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41036993/ns/politics-more_politics/
John – You didn’t reply. Where is all the right wing violence you keep referring to?
Do you really think there is pervasive right wing violence out there, John, or is your truth rather, that the rejection of your philosophy by the millions of people in the Tea Party and on the right make you very angry, and, lacking any facts or arguments of your own to counter their reasonable and prudential arguments in the public square, you resort to smears and false associations to instead drive them from the public square?
John the vacuous troll said: “Looks like he’s mostly just crazy, BUT in a culture so drenched in gun violence, and so full of hateful talk, I think there is a strong case to be made for this helping to set off the crazies.”
John, can you provide any kind of evidence whatsoever that talk, hateful or otherwise, or even graphics, movies, songs, books, whatever can -cause- insane people to commit acts of violence? Some shred of correlation even that shows Sarah Palin’s map graphic could have had any forcing effect on this crazy person’s decision process. Anything.
Because I am calling bullsh1t on you and every other one of your IMBECILE fellow travelers on this concept, right now. This is one of the twelve impossible things you believed before breakfast this morning.
Put up or shut up John.
John >
Right wing, left wing you have no idea what the “political” motivations if any of most of the individual cases you listed. An equally comprehensive list could be made of so called “lefty wing nuts”. We could start will Bill Ayres and the Weather Underground and go from there.
What you should have listed is the well documented historical tyranny of the left. Starting with Marx & Mao, the ideological hero’s of the left. Then we can begin to understand what the left fight so hard to achieve.
At the very least, even with good intentions, they lay the fertile soil for totalitarian seeds to grow.
There’s nothing “Liberal” about gun control or any aspects of a nanny state that believers think will keep them and others safe (forcibly). It is simply flawed thinking based on irrational fears and other emotions not kept in check and balanced with historical precedents, statistical facts, and logic.
@ET – You live in a dreamworld if you think that none of these people were rightwing, or inspired by rhetoric. Google each of those cases and see what comes up about those guys.
You can pretend that White Supremacists aren’t simply members of the far right, or that guys like Byron Williams and Jim David Adkisson didn’t feed on the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, but that would suggest that these guys came to their rabit hatred entirely on their own, and not through communities of hatred they find on talk radio and the internet. And you can pretend that the Hutaree Militia isn’t rightwing as well, but that’s just plain effing crazy.
As for the rabid leftwing, yup, you’ve sited a few correct examples… of groups that are over 40 years old and no longer considered a threat.
Interesting how you blame Obama for the increase in threats though, and not those who compare him him to Hitler and Mao, something you would rarely ever heard coming from any mainstream voices when Bush was in office, but can hear daily on rightwing media offerings.
Dream on.
I guess the C word and the F word are so big with illiterates because they’re just 4 letter grunts.
John>
“You can pretend that White Supremacists aren’t simply members of the far right”
You can’t pretend that the left doesn’t abort 52% of all black babies’ ever to not be born in the US facilitated by Planned Parenthood and other far left institutions. You also can’t pretend that the Liberal welfare programs aren’t geared to suppress minorities into generational dependence as the last few decades have proven.
You can’t pretend that racism does not have a home with any political affiliation, or nation or culture or racial group. To do so would only reflect the ignorance of your world knowledge, and the idiocy of your arguments.
According to a link over at Drudge, Palin’s response to the shootings is being construed as a purposeful injection of herself into the story. “BOTTOM LINE: Sarah Palin, once again, has found a way to become part of the story” – unbelievable; perfect example of an astonishing disconnect from reality.
I have a hard time believing that the truth behind Loughner’s motivations for the shootings will be reported: if and when they are discovered. The left simply has too much to lose to allow the truth to come out. The “blame the right” angle seems to be working well for them judging by the numerous twitter responses calling for Palin’s death. If Loughner does not make it to trial, the right will most assuredly be blamed, IMO.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/01/the-note-obama-palin-and-arizona-a-tale-of-two-speeches.html
john – you view people as ’empty buckets’ whose hatreds do not originate in their own minds, but who, as empty buckets, must have their minds filled by other Agents. Higher Agents…such as Palin, Beck, Limbaugh.
Nonsense. Your view is typical of the left, which views people as ignorant and empty – (beer and popcorn) who must be ruled and guided, and their minds filled with Correct Thoughts, by their Rulers.
You have provided absolutely no evidence that any of your examples were politically motivated by either the left or right. White supremacy is a cult in itself- and frankly, as focused around the purity of the group, and therefore fascist, is actually a leftist ideology!! Similar to black liberation theology (the ‘church’ attended by Obama).
As for people referencing Obama to Hitler and Mao – so what? They did the same with Bush.
Are you seriously suggesting that the ‘rabid leftwing’ no longer exists? Who the heck was attacking Palin all this week? Who runs MoveOn and Acorn and Huffington? Who ran the journolist? What do you think about the campus politics, with ‘professors’ preaching against Palin, Bush, GOP etc? Ranting against capitalism, globalism? What about the AGW movement? What about the regular violent demonstrations by the left during summit meetings of international leaders?
People are quite capable, as individuals, of hating taxes, the police, the government – without subscribing to a political ideology. Your list is not evidence of any political links.
Ya’ll also do realize that “John” is most likely “Alex” in another alter ego (multiple personality disorder?) after getting slapped down into disappearing a few days ago.
Just watching FOX live with the Tucson Memorial…Is it just me or is whole thing overblown with no disrespect to the families of the tragedy of course…I find it too soon, too big…
There’s a native guy “With Mexican blood…On stage right now offering the blessing, in front of Barry and all”…What was that Rahm Emmanuell phrase again: “Never let a crisis go to waste”…uh-uh
“And what my list doesn’t include is the granddaddy of them all, the Oklahoma City bombing by a rightwing extremist.”
John, u r an obtuse idiot!
T.McVeigh was a Leftist libertarian, just as the scum from this weekend appears to be.
@Knight99, and this has what to do with rightwing violence? You can haul out the abortion debate if you wish, but people can haul out the right’s support of bombing the sh!t out of other countries. Both sides will justify these actions based on their idiology.
I’m talking about out and out crimes such as going and shooting people, or blowing sh!t up. And we are very clearly seeing a lot of this from rightwing extremists right now. Far, far more than leftwing extremists, which is why the Dept of Homeland Security has issued a warning.
@ET Sorry guy, but there is no comparison to the Bush/Obama Hitler stuff. You could find no end of comments about Bush being Hitler on blogs and whatnot, but never from Democratic leaders, or on mainstream TV, but we see this sort of thing all the time from the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin herself who has gone on record saying the Obama is deliberatly trying to destroy America, which makes him an enemy of the state. This is the crazy talk that has to stop, and right now we are seeing more of it from the leaders of the right.
As for people not reacting to what their leaders say… are you for real? Do you honestly believe words have no consequences, either good or bad? This is basically what you are saying.
And no Knight99, I’m not this person Alex, but John. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who are willing to tell you guys how wrong you are all the time.
If you guys don’t like feeling the heat for the actions of radical rightwingers, you should go chat with your average Muslim and see how they feel.
Again, everybody needs to tone it down, stop with the crazy talk and make nice. Us lefties are not out to turn North America into the Soviet Union. We’re not going to euthanize your grandmothers, and we’re not out to take away your guns. Relax.
Sarah Palin’s grace and compassion and her acknowledgement of the motives of the corrupt left wing fanatics did not surprise me. Sarah Palin is who she says she is and she confronts cowards; she does not cower in closets. The people who repudiate Sarah fear her power to help empower the American people; the people who repudiate left wing pinkos like The President and his “Czar” pals fear being slaughtered and molded by a terrorist outfit into state slaves. People who stand beside Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck have read history.
“Nice” is a very comfy way to deal with people – as long as people are all ‘nice’. All people are not nice and being nice to people who wish to steal freedom and life from others; for their own vengeance or to help others who hate people, is the epitome of either stupidity or denial or both, IMO. ( See Kate’s header at the top of SDA).
The supossed memorial currently taking place looks and sounds more like a rah-rah rally for the far-left than an actual memorial.
I don’t recal ever attending any memorial where there was on-cue cheering, screaming and hollering.
You’re wasting your time, John. There aren’t many people on these boards who are capable of seeing anything other than their own small intestine.
Good points ET.
John also fails to acknowledge that there is much vitriol towards BO from his Left flank. Many Progressivesare of the view that BO is GWB light, and they feel betrayed. I’ve heard similar military dialog wrt targeting BO at the primaries with their own canidate.
Alex>
“You’re wasting your time, John”
BINGO!
I knew that would drag you out of the closet. Ha ha ha…….
No-One
Unbelievable. Krugman drags Sarah Palin into this before the victims are even through triage and the big brains at ABC News think she is injecting herself into the story by responding.
OST it isn’t unbelievable as much as despicable.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41150
Ann Coulter kills it with this one.
so all dems support abortion john?
there are no Christians on the Left John?
John, are really looking objectively for what motivated Jared Loughner? If you are then you might want to consider that his involvement with Gabrielle Giffords started in 2007 – before Palin, before the Tea Party and before the election of Obama (which has apparently inspired this recent culture of right-wing racism/violence/hatred/fill in the blank with new lefty talking point).
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1
But you’re not looking for what really happened, are you? You are looking to blame the actions of a severely mentally disturbed man on a person and political party that you disagree with. Ditto for your other “examples”, there was never any connections with conservatives only speculation and innuendo.
Otherwise, to follow your example, Ted Turner should be blamed for the Discovery Channel hostage-taker. After all, both have similar ideas about population control and the environment. Ted Turner is a Democrat so all Democrats are guilty of inciting environmental zealots. So now all talk of the environment and population control by Democrats is forbidden.
Not hot or cold when it comes to Sarah Palin Myself. After this though. You have to wonder what the White House, with Leftists in general fear about her. Its like a cancer in their guts.That this war of words they have invented to libel her, has reached such hysterical proportions only underscores the bitterness plus angst they are filled with. Malice paraded as facts.
Lets concentrate on the hero’s of the day. Like the men who brought the crazy shooter down or the guy who saved his wifes life with his own. Tired of the political rhetoric over the bodies of the slain. Morn, but celebrate the good people who where there at this tragedy, those who showed courage. Not the yapping of a bunch of urban coyotes who are unhinged with rabies of the mind.
As for most leftist Journalists, your just pathetic.
JMO
John, you truly are delusional and for that I am sorry, this pyscho, was exactly that, a pyscho. From his friends he was very leftwing though, and enjoyed reading the communist manifesto among others. So before you believe everything you see on T.V. how about you stop trolling and start learning how to think for yourself, instead of being told what to think.
Not one of John’s links are applicable for the past year, I kind of pity the leftards they have so little evidence to back up their unhinged assertions they just point and click and hope we are as stupid as they are.
here we go
c’mon barak, pls fix this
More on the Memorial, Live right now:
Tshirts are being sold at concession stands!
The White House has apparently developed a logo for the event.
This is an Obama political rally!…How macabre!