Not Waiting For The Asteroid



Palin’s speech had been remarkably effective. This troubled members of Journolist. On Sept. 8, 2008, five days after Palin’s national debut, some members of the group discussed producing coordinated propaganda designed to wound Palin and boost Obama.
[…]
While other members of the group debated whether to coordinate a pro-Obama message – or, more precisely, whether to concede that such a message was being coordinated — Todd Gitlin of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism had already made up his mind.
[…]
“Repeat after me:
“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.
“These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.
“Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.
“I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!”

57 Replies to “Not Waiting For The Asteroid”

  1. The Americans leftist journolist reminds me of Canada’s leftists in hammering Stephen Harper’s “Hidden Agenda” in Canadian MSM a number of years ago.
    Very effective.
    Now they are working on the “Long census”,”Afghan detainees”, “Helena Guergis” and return “Omar Khadr”to Canada!
    But we have caught on to the duplicity of the leftist MSM.
    Now they are less effective.
    They will be a lot less effective once FOX North TV is activated.

  2. I wondered if there was a Canadian equivalent of Journolist, and then it hit me…it is the intranet at the CBC.

  3. Well, as Pete Seeger (the Communist) said: If I had a hammer …
    … ‘looks like the journolist’s is turning into a boomerang.
    THUMP! SMACK! CRASH! BANG! OUCH!

  4. An aside: ‘Anyone else notice that a large number of the Journolist scribblers are Jewish (no doubt very liberal, secular Jews)?
    I kind of get a feeling of Stockholm Syndrome, or something, looking at how many Jewish people there are in the MSM, which doesn’t quite match the rising swell in anti-Semitism in said MSM.
    What’s going on?

  5. The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried to Bring Down a Rising Star

    As the second woman ever nominated as a candidate for vice president, Alaska governor Sarah Palin became an instant phenomenon. Americans were enthralled by a woman with charm, ambition, natural political talent, and a passion for conservative values.
    But the fascination of ordinary people quickly drew an unprecedented attack from the media elite and liberal activists. Far beyond the normal bounds of tough questions and challenges, Palin’s enemies decided that nothing was too personal to attack-including her marriage, her children, her faith, and her ward­robe. The media distorted Palin’s positions and beliefs beyond recognition. And almost every word out of her mouth was spun as a “flub.”
    Weekly Standard writer Matthew Continetti reveals the true story of the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and her persecution by the elites who tried to hide their bias with solemn declarations of objectivity. Continetti offers fresh examples of malicious spin and deceit and shows how liberal snobbery has become a driving force in American politics.
    Palin’s ordeal has become a rallying cry for the GOP in the Obama era. This perceptive book is a must-read for conservatives who want to understand what really happened-and how to avoid a repeat.

  6. And from one of the comments from the Amazon site (in Nov 2009 before Going Rogue was released):

    In the prologue of this book, the author includes a very powerful quote said a full year before Sarah Palin came on the national scene:
    “Today’s media, more than ever before, hunts in a pack. In these modes it is like a feral beast, just tearing people and reputations to bits. But no one dares miss out.”–Tony Blair, June 12, 2007.
    Continetti then goes on to show how this “feral beast” of the media hunted down its new prey: Sarah Palin. He does an excellent job of documenting and debunking the lies and smears the media perpetrated against her.
    Palin supporters will most likely recognize the top lies such as: Trig not being her son, her banning books, being a Buchanan supporter, or a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, and others. What may surprise and shock them (and any fair minded person) is WHO published the lies! While many may have started on extreme liberal blog sites, by hate-fueled individuals, the real tragedy is that they were introduced to main stream Americans by powerful news outlets and journalists that many Americans, including myself, trusted.
    The main chapters are:
    1) The Golden Ticket: When John Met Sarah
    2) The Feral Beast: The Media Goes Wild
    3) The Village and the City: There’s No Place Like Home
    4) The Ties That Bind: The Blistering Assaults on Palin’s Family
    5) Amazing Disgrace: How the Press Went After Palin’s Faith
    6) Sex and Sarah Palin: The Furious Battle over the Governor’s Gender
    7) The Classless Media: The Elite’s Condescending Attitude Toward Ordinary Americans
    8) Sarah’s Choice: What’s Next for Palin and her Party?
    This book is a powerful wakeup call to any fair minded person. It clearly documents that “truth no longer mattered” to many in the media when it came to Sarah Palin.
    My hope had been that the media would see the dangerous path they have taken, and go back to honest reporting. Unfortunately, as Sarah’s own book is about to be released it looks like we’re in for Round 2.

  7. Batb;
    It really shouldn’t surprise you that “a large number of the Journolist scribblers are Jewish.” Something like 85% of Jews vote for the Dems in US elections even though the Dems gave up being supporters of Israel and Jews a long time ago. If you can explain why that is, you’ll have your answer.

  8. It seems the members are now indeed “troubled”.
    Journolist is already a major theme in the gathering midterm campaign.

  9. “Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.”
    Liberal fascism on display.

  10. Some of the more inflexible Harperbots might want to consider that we are capable of discerning spin from both directions … and are already tired of it. We’ll make our own minds up based on whatever facts can be sifted out of the blast of constant propaganda.
    It is a big trap for conservatives to emulate this cynical practice of the left, and since they are used to it, they will hunt it down quite easily, so perhaps it will be better to let the facts fall where they may on issues such as Helena Guergis and what seems to some of us to be a blind obedience to order in all things.
    Just saying … because transparent talking points beaten to death become quickly ineffective and counter-productive.

  11. Jews have been on the forefront of “progressive” causes throughout their history.
    Jews (to their shame) were an important part of the communist movement at its birth. However, ruthless purges eliminated them a few years after. Jews actually became quite discriminated against in most communist countries.
    Jews were represented far out of proportion to their numbers in the American civil rights movement (for example, two of the three workers killed in the “Mississippi burning” events were jews). Oddly, black leaders and blacks in general regard Jews as their enemies now.
    The cynical may view this as driven by self interest, and the real jew-haters will simply point to the Protocols of Zion and say…”it’s all there”.
    But both those views, to lesser or greater extent, imply some sort of conscious conspiracy like activity, which is ridiculous.
    I think that Jewish engagement in “progressive” causes is a consequence of their high level of education and exposure to new ideas that comes with this, and also of their history. Except for the orthodox hyper-religious jews, “progressive” has not been a curse word in a jewish homes. Not yet, anyway.
    A few more decades of “progressive” immigration policy should be enough to make even the most die hard progressives see the errors of their ways.
    There are increasing numbers of jewish conservatives, and having them contribute to the intellectual foundation of a modern conservative movement would be a good thing, I think.

  12. Tabitha Southy (G&M) wrote a nasty piece about Sarah Palin and her objection to the mosque being built near ground zero. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/a-rolling-twit-gathers-no-mosque/article1650127/
    There must be a claque associated with such articles because the message board filled up with nasty comments–cruel and ugly–about Sarah. A side discussion emerged trashing Hirsi Ali. The few voices of sense were submerged in thumbs down.
    Sarah Palin really infuriates writers such as Tabitha, Heather Mallick, et al. I find it hard to understand all the invective directed against her. If she’s an airhead, as so many try to present her, then what’s the big deal? Let her hang herself with vapid comments. The fact that they write so viciously about her suggests that they fear she is not as stupid as they’d like to present her.
    So much for the sisterhood. I guess a woman aiming for politics should not be charming, pretty, successful and gutsy. Above all, she shouldn’t be Republican.

  13. So much for the sisterhood. I guess a woman aiming for politics should not be charming, pretty, successful and gutsy. Above all, she shouldn’t be Republican.
    ~rita
    Above all, she shouldn’t be pro-Life and a Christian.
    (which many Republicans are not)
    Nothing ties the “sisterhood” together into a collective as much as their collective guilt over abortion.
    That’s why the “sisterhood” continued to support BJ Clinton’s presidency even after it was revealed that he was a sexual predator.
    Clinton was solidly pro-Abortion.
    We look at the Nazi holocaust, driven by their belief in racial hygene, and we say they were monsters.
    They at least believed in their ideology.
    If socialism gets it’s long overdue discrediting, what will history say about “the sisterhood” for all the babies that were aborted simply for the sake of convenience?

  14. What percentage of the vote in a general election do we think the MSM is worth to the Democrats? To the Lieberals?
    IMO the MSM is worth 15% of the vote for the Democrats. If the MSM were objective, fair and professionally thorough, as opposed to the reality of MSM systemic liberal bias, it’d cost the Democrats most of their electoral victories on the federal level and a good proportion of those on state levels.
    As I see it, there’d then be basically one of two outcomes. The Democratic Party would either fade into being a weak fringe party OR be forced to neuter the hard left that’s taken over the party, and move toward the center, in order for the Dem. Party to survive.
    THAT is how important the MSM is to the left in America. And I suspect in Canada also.
    Imagine the long term consequences if the CBC were privatized and a Fox News Canada -“fair and balanced”- existed and was the primary or even plurality national source of broadcast news. The consequences would be the Liberals wouldn’t win a general election for the forseeable future. They’d face the same stark choice as would the Democratic Party. As for the NDP, they’d be able to have a general meeting of all Dippers in a Tim Hortons.
    We like to think the MSM is incrementally falling apart, “not waiting for the asteroid”. However, as I see it, the unpleasant reality is that they’re still powerful enough to basically “control the narrative”. For that reason, the political left parties and politicians will act vigorously to further and preserve the MSM as does the MSM does to further and preserve the Left. They’re in a symbiotic relationship, needing each other to survive.
    Comments, anyone?

  15. I think the MSM’s parroting the lie that things are getting better economically has hurt them more than any single thing.
    People may not understand politics, but they are forced to understand their pocket books.

  16. When you kill your own children, order the murder of a defenseless humans, there is going to be serious guilt associated with it…or the guilt is going to be transformed into an ideological passion that will be horrible to behold.

  17. We knew the MSM weenies had a jungle telegraph where they all got together and worked out their stories All that’s changed since this Journolist thing is we have some names and faces to go with them. Names which should live in INFAMY, I might add.
    I’d like to take this special moment to note that Sarah Spitz is one gnarly looking individual. Can you say battle axe?

  18. Norman Podhoretz wrote an interesting book called “Why Are Jews Liberals?” He’s probably right in his answer (series of complicated answers) and it kind of makes sense up to about 1890. After that the only possible answer is “Who the hell knows?”

  19. The despicable hatchet job done on Palin and her family was beyond just vile partisanism, it was literally evil if not criminal.
    In that effort alone I knew the left-dominated MSM to be not only dishonest and uncivilly manipulative and irrelevant as a 4th estate watchdog but in an incestuous corporate partnership with the DNC.
    I see no difference between them and Pravda.

  20. internals of the recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll
    (ASK ALL)
    Q16 Now I’m going to read you some things that you might learn about a candidate running for Congress. For
    each one, please tell me whether
    (A) you are enthusiastic about the candidate having this attribute, (B) you are comfortable with it, [positive]
    (C) you have some reservations about it, (D) you are very uncomfortable with it, or [negative]
    (E) it makes no difference to you. [F not sure]
    (RANDOMIZE)[…]
    Enthusiastic/Comfortable VS Reservations/Uncomfortable
    Is endorsed by Barack Obama June 2010 36% VS 43%
    Is endorsed by Sarah Palin June 2010* 25% VS 52%
    Supports phasing out Social Security and instead supports allowing workers to invest their Social Security contributions in the stock market June 2010* 24% VS 66%
    Is running as an independent candidate and is not affiliated with either political party June 2010* 46% VS 23%

  21. I think that Liberal/left reaction to Sarah Palin was caused by the fact that the left has moved out of an existence as a middle class, which is a class based around the results of individual work, and into an existence as a protected class. This moves them into a lifestyle that is removed from the real world.
    That is, most of them operate in an employment that is isolated from the direct effects of reality; from the direct results of their actions. Interesting – but there are two sub-sets in this Liberal/Left Set. There’s the people in the above average income, which is usually derived from government work – hospitals, education, bureaucracy. And the people in the below average income, whose income also usually derived from the government – welfare, subsidies etc. That’s why these two subsets are always linked. Both of them operate in a ‘virtual world’ where the results of your actions are indirect. What you do..does not affect your lifestyle.
    Sarah Palin was and is not a member of this Set of Virtual Reality people. She’s a member of the middle class; this class exists in the hard factual world of reality. Every word she utters reflects this individualism, this focus on the results of individual work, responsibility, direct interaction with the environment and people. So- the Left/Liberals hate her…because their world exists only in Words, in Virtuality..and they don’t want hard reality to intrude.
    Here’s another example of the gap between Fact and Fiction, and how the Left functions only within the virtual realm of Fiction.
    http://johnnydollar.us/files/100725fhwir.php
    The Left went hysterical this week, about the Sherrod firing by (indirectly of course) the White House. They insisted that this was due to FOX News, which, they claimed, aired the video over and over..until the hapless WH, with Obama always a Victim of Racism, gave in and fired her. That’s the fiction.
    The FACTS are that FOX, as well as CNN, MSNBC etc, only aired the video AFTER the WH had fired her. Howard Dean, the Democrat, who lives completely in the Virtual Realm of the Left, i.e., in words…insists that FOX is ‘racist’. Yes indeed. Why? Because, he claims that FOX aired the video repeatedly, ‘because she was black’..until the WH fired her.
    Even when the FACTS are pointed out to him, that FOX didn’t air it until AFTER the WH had asked for her resignation…he simply doesn’t ‘hear’ these facts. He ignores them and continues to repeat, endlessly, the images in his virtual fictional world.
    How does one deal with a set of people who live almost entirely in a Virtual World, a world of their own fictional authorship, a world of words unrelated to facts, to reality? How does one deal with a set of people who are so alienated from reality that they refuse to acknowledge any facts?

  22. With regard to the fact that Jews are often found among the left and socialists – I don’t think, old lori, that it’s due to education. After all, that would mean that a higher education would lead one ‘naturally’ to socialism! But socialism is an irrational utopian ideology and lacks any grounding in reality; it’s hardly a mark of knowledge to believe in it!
    I think, and I’m speculating here, that it might be due to that mindset to which I referred the other day – that mindset of Judaism which sees itself as ‘complete’, without any need to interact with the beliefs of others, with no need to integrate with the beliefs of others, to rely on others, to need others. Why? Because their ideology is complete and because, as such, god will provide and govern.
    I had suggested that this mindset of isolate completeness was a catalyst to other peoples, who were offended by a people who, figuratively, turned their back on others..and that this might have been a large factor in the constant existence of anti-semitism over time. After all, unlike Muslims, the Jews have never been a militant or conquering peoples – so – why does anti-semitism emerge if you are not being attacked by those Jews? I suggest it’s due to the isolate indifference of the Judaic people to the lifestyle and beliefs of others.
    Now, further speculation as to why Jews are so often found among the left and socialist camps, could be explained by this same ideology of self-sufficiency, and where ‘god’ provides. In this case, with reference to material rather than spiritual reality, the notion of some powerful meta-agent providing for the community translates into the government that provides for all.
    Judaism, after all, is a tribal or communal ideology. It isn’t focused around individual redemption or individual choice, as is Christianity. It’s focused around the strength of the collective. Socialism rejects the individual and focuses around the collective. Perhaps this can explain the predominance of Jews in the socialist sets.

  23. I stated here back around Christmas that Civil War II was not out of the question, now it seems it may just be immminent.
    I strongly believe we need to have a Cold CWII in November, but watch what the State-Run Media and the Obabots do after they lose both Houses. Let’s just see who pulls the trigger first. More than likely the Progressives will riot in the streets and start burning cars like they did in France. And when Barry gets booted in 2012 they will go exponential with the violence.

  24. ratt- yes, I agree, a cold civil war. Obama has reintroduced racism into the US in an even more malignant manner than before. Why even more malignant?
    Because before it was open; you openly said ‘no Jews or no blacks or..’. Now, you are accused of racism if you criticize someone’s opinion! Nothing to do with the physical nature of the individual but with their conceptual nature- and the fact that they disagree with you.
    Criticize Obama and his response is that you disagree because you are: ignorant or politically or racially biased. You are the problem; not him and his policies.
    Obama states that the Arizona law is ‘racist’ because it will enable police to grab you if you ‘look hispanic’ and are walking along eating an ice cream. That’s a blatant lie. Obama is after the hispanic vote.
    Obama has at first denied that Islamic fascism and terrorism exists. Now, he says it exists but it is ‘racist’. Hmm. This ignores their ideology of conquering all and making all into fundamentalist Islamists and instead links their behaviour…to anyone, even in America, who is ‘racist’. So, you could be a solid middle class American and Obama has linked you to Islamic fascism IF you are in favour of Arizona’s illegal alien law.
    I think that Obama is at the moment, throwing Congress to the wolves and distancing himself from the electoral anger. The question then becomes – how will Obama retain control of the Democratic Party if he sets them up to take the anger for his policies and actions?
    The agenda of the Gang who run him remains intact: to change the US from a democracy based around a free middle class to a socialist statist nation with no middle class. This Gang may not need Obama. They may, by 2012, consider him useless at pushing through their statist policies; in this case, they’ll find him some UN Speaker-of-The World position and fob him off. But their agenda will remain. Who will they get to replace him?

  25. ET – there is definitely a communal / group nature to jewish life, and yes this might predispose them to a socialist mindset. Israel is very much a socialist state in many ways.
    However, there is also a strong entrepreneurial element there, and one would think that this would have just as strong counter-pull away from socialism.
    And neither perspective explains my second example, the strong contribution of jews to the US Civil Rights movement.
    I dunno. Don’t have all the answers.

  26. ET
    Judaism has nothing to do with socialism. Winston Churchill made the observation that the Bolshevik revolution was composed mostly of atheistic Jews at the top. Karl Marx’s father was a Rabbi. The Jewish Talmud has very little to do with God but instead is a strict guideline set of rules for Jews. The ghettos that were imposed on the Jewish people in Europe were for the most part insisted upon by Jewish Rabbis as to keep the Jewish people separate from the Gentiles and under strict control and insure that they did not mix with the Goyim.
    Jews that lived in the United States were far different than the Jews who came later from Eastern Europe i.e. Russia. Jews by that time had already blended in with America and became apart of American history. Some Jews fought for the South or the North in the civil war and some had plantations with slaves. Many American Jews rejected the idea of Zionism that was brought over by Eastern Jews as did many European Jews.
    To make it short many Jews reject the Zionist State of Israel because they see it as one big Jewish Ghetto.

  27. Inoitall – Judaism may, to you, have nothing to do with socialism – although I think that’s debatable – but Judaism is a collectivist ideology rather than an individualist one.
    And..collectivism is the ground for socialism.
    As for the Talmud – it is an outline of how to live within the Judaic ideology and therefore, most certainly, as set out by god. It is not a metaphysical analysis – if that’s what you are referring to.
    I’m not sure what your point is with reference to the differences among Jewish peoples – and I agree, there are differences. I don’t think that this takes away from my view that Judaism is a collectivist rather than individualist ideology, focused around the kin group, and thus, prone to accepting and supporting socialism.
    Yes, I’m aware that zionism is rejected by many Jews – and not really because they see it as a ‘Jewish ghetto’ but because they feel that it is an ‘ungodly’ and even amoral act to intrude on the wish of God; i.e., that the return to Israel is not to be achieved by man but by god.

  28. I remember watching Sarah Palin’s speech which was more or less an oral representation of this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxCzKahB3Fs
    How the left must have been terrified of her!
    In my mind, it says volumes that the leftist media would smear Mrs. Palin to such an unspeakably ugly extent in order to bring up the empty-suit Obama. They will do it forever even though the cat of Obama being a non-leader is out of the bag.

  29. Seems the journolisters learned well about propaganda.
    Their lessons must have been from Goebels of the National Socialist.

  30. ET;
    “After all, unlike Muslims, the Jews have never been a militant or conquering peoples.”
    I’m far from an expert on Jewish history, but you’re way off the mark on that one. To give just a couple of examples, Moses was a warrior who instigated military campaigns to achieve his ends. David of “David and Golith” fame did as well, being particularly brutal in his methods.
    I don’t say this to be insulting to Jews, it’s just a fact that all races have engaged in warfare and brutality. Jews aren’t an exception.

  31. Old Lori said:
    ET – there is definitely a communal / group
    nature to jewish life, and yes this might predispose them to a socialist mindset. Israel is very much a socialist state in many ways.
    Jesus Christ!( pardon the reference) but if my folks had their asses on the line for some 2,000 years, I’d be thinking that a communal group would be a good idea, for better protection if nothing else.

  32. bobc – I don’t accept mythic tales as representing actual factual history. I repeat, the Judaic ideology does not seek to conquer or convert other people. Militarily protecting their community against an external threat – is not the same as an aggressive attack.
    Judaism isn’t a race; it’s a religion and a cultural identity.
    atric – Your view refers to the emotional results of being persecuted. What some of us are exploring is why a particular group is persecuted. That’s quite different.

  33. Isn’t that the self same thing the urnalists did in Canada regarding the census issue? I mean they didn’t print the truth, they accused Harper of canceling the long form census but all he did was decriminalize it not cancel it. I’m sick of MSM lies and blatant lack of professionalism.

  34. Dave in Pa: “The consequences would be the Liberals wouldn’t win a general election for the forseeable future.”
    BINGO!!! That’s why the CBC is in meltdown mode. I’m just dieing to see if any CBC journos are on that listserv, or if they have an equivalent of their own.

  35. ET asks: “How does one deal with a set of people who are so alienated from reality that they refuse to acknowledge any facts?”
    Hunger.

  36. ET;
    Israel became a great empire under Saul and David. They didn’t accomplish that by singing Kumbaya to their neighbours, but with the sword.
    Saul defeated the Ammonites and the Amalekite. David defeated the Philistines, the Moabites, the Syrians the Edomites to name just a few.
    The idea the the Jews were a bunch of pacifists who wouldn’t fight unless in self defence is myth, not history.

  37. Judaism is indeed a religion, ET. But the Jews are a nation, and if you don’t understand that, you’re in no position to contribute to a serious discussion. Being a Jew is a matter of national identity; you come by it primarily by birth, and the alternative is a form of naturalization. Judaism as a religion can only be practiced by Jews, and you can’t become a Jew without embracing the religion, as an essential element of the national culture. But if you’re born a Jew, you stay a Jew even if you reject the religion. No shortage of atheist Jews out there. Christian and Buddhist Jews, if you look for them.

  38. ebt- please don’t define YOUR criteria as The Only Truth, with regard to who, according to you, is able to or unable to understand the Judaic religion and is able to or unable to ‘contribute to a serious discussion’.
    I disagree with your view that Judaism is a ‘national identity’, though I am would guess that you are using a 19th c definition of ‘nation’ which defines it as an inherited ethnicity rather than a geographic terrain. My view of Judaism, which differs from yours, is that Judaism is a religion and, as practiced, is expressed in a particular cultural set of beliefs and behaviour.
    I consider that your equation of ‘culture’ with ‘nation’ is a serious error and reject it in any discussion.
    Well, obviously Judaism as a religion can only be practiced by Jews. That’s a tautology, just as Christianity can only be practiced by Christians. But Judaism is not a ‘nationality’; it’s a religion.
    bob c – you are merging the political with the religious. I consider that an error. As a religion, Judaism is not expansionist, it does not seek converts, it simply wants to be left alone. IF the people who practice this religion are ALSO functioning within a geographic and political domain, then, they will fight for this domain. But, this fight does not express the religion but the political and societal desire to simply..be free to practice their religion and beliefs.

  39. ET;
    Your original statement was, “After all, unlike Muslims, the Jews have never been a militant or conquering peoples.”
    Wrong. Under David they were military expansionists who created a great empire at the point of the sword. That’s just a fact. Read second Samual 8 versus 1 through 18 that recounts David’s actions in detail. A pacifist he was not.

  40. bob c – the accounts in the bible are oral tales; they are not factual histories. The mythic tales of the origin, role and effects of David are..mythic.
    Furthermore, you are merging the political with the religious. David was not representing the Judaic religion but the tribal domain of a population. That’s not the same thing and it is an error to merge them.
    I stand by my view that Judaism is a religion and cultural set of beliefs and behaviour; it is not expansionist; it does not seek converts; it primarily wishes to be left alone.

  41. ET…the Bible is an historic document.
    Your choice to not believe does not render it a fable.

  42. Free spirited Liberals, from Californication are throughout the entertainment industry as well.
    No rules exist for them either…
    What kids movie in the last 25 or so years has a character under NINE years of age call the other “penis breath”? Within the first 20 minutes or so.

  43. Every successful tribe has successfully killed the livincrap out of their enemies at some point.
    The only question for us … today is whether we’re going to be the next tribe that gets killed in the quest for dominance of a bunch of savages.
    GYHOOYA…….

  44. A monolithic MSM opinion is a waste of public Bandwidth & Paper. We have better uses for all that Spectrum & resources. If we don’t have Anti-Trust laws to prevent this collusion it becomes obvious that the Three Networks are redundant, ABC must be gone and CBS & NBC merged into One… Those that wish a voice can PAY to join the Cable fray & compete for eyes & minds. The simple fact is that Broadcast Networks are obsolete & Hard News has become contrived entertainment (K Couric).
    It was interesting that the Looney Left (Marxists) are been turned OFF, the talking points of Al Franken, regarding the Network syn-fin rules, Etc. only fit into the reasoning realm of a mental moron…The Dem’s want to mute the “real” marxist voices. They don’t want the Cap & Trade to be an Issue (back under the rock,useful Cockroaches)
    BTW: The Republicans that are mindlessly “Still” pushing privatizing SS are equally stupid… The Market melt down laid waste to that Option and now everyone knows the danger. It’s a losing issue

  45. ET;
    I don’t much care if Judaism preaches non expansionism. What I care about is whether the preaching is followed. The bible preaches not killing and turning the other cheek, yet how many times did Christians march off to war behind a banner of the cross.
    It is an undeniable fact that there was a Jewish empire and that it could not have come into existence had the Jews not been willing to bring the force of arms to bear in order to create it.
    Moses was a warrior who killed more than a few to have a promised land. After leading his people out of Egypt, he settled in the southern part of Israel close to a mountain whose name escapes me at the moment. The Jews lived peacefully next to another tribe for years until Moses felt his population had grown sufficiently to allow him to go on the march.
    He started off by slaughtering the tribe they’d lived peacefully with for all those years, then headed northward wiping out numerous other tribes along the way. Saul and David did much to expand the land that was carved out. David, in some cases, would kill everyone in a tribe down to virtually the last woman and child. At other times he would enslave the survivors and bring the bounty of his conquest home to show his people.
    So whether or not Jewish teaching preaches against that, they did it all the same. They’re not to be condemned for it anymore than anyone else. It was the way of the world back then. But they were very much players in the game regardless of what their religion preached.

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