Harper On The Gun Registry

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Live interview with the PM begins with John Gormley shortly … click here to “listen live”. (Segment is over now, audio should be up by tomorrow. Harper was followed by interviews with Michael Ignatieff and Jack Layton.)
Feature moment: Taliban Quack* on the gun registry … sharing his “rural roots” from the days of growing up on the farm;

… we had our .22 and it was for going out and hunting ducks.

I’m going to piss myself.
More: Cosh follows the money on those Chiefs of Police.

116 Replies to “Harper On The Gun Registry”

  3. Layton shot ducks with a .22? Wow. What a crack shot. Either that or he never got any ducks.

  4. I am a gun owner and I fail to see the problem with registering firearms. Hopefully the LGR is kept. If Harper dismantles it, he will lose votes in eastern Canada, where they do not see the big deal with filling out a piece of paper. Owning a gun in Canada is a privilege; Not a right, a lot of gun owners fail to appreciate this.

  5. Wow, Gormley has all three leaders on this a.m. That doesn’t happen too often on radio talk shows. Iffy also has to stomp out the Ekos fire Graves started….nice try, but it won’t work.

  6. When I was growing up on the farm, most everybody, including us, had army surplus 75mm guns mounted on our pickup trucks. To borrow some of Wee Jackie’s words, they were for going out and hunting liberals.
    (Pretty soon, liberals became extinct in our area. 🙂

  7. The only way Layton could have used a .22 on ducks is to have clubbed them with the butt end while they were still in the nest.

  8. Ducks with a .22? So does this mean that we need to rename him, Jack “Daniel Boone” Layton?

  10. I just received an E-mail from Liberal MP Keith Martin re the gun registry vote, He states that the police feel the registry is important in their enforcing the law safely, and he won’t vote against the wishes of the police.
    He conveniently ignores the fact that it is the Association of Police Chiefs who are in favor of the long gun registry, not the rank and file.Typical Liberals, see and hear what they want .
    I believe it was the Canadian Firearms Ass’n that stated a few years back that the CAPC had agreed to back the gun registry in return for a large dump of funding into their pension plan.

  11. ” …The only ducks Layton shot with a .22 were illegal ones. …”
    … or ones that were already dead !

  12. @T
    Owning a baseball bat is a privilege, not a right. Owning a knife is a privilege, not a right. Those cause a lot of injuries & deaths.
    So if the “eastern Canada” voters want to register baseball bats & knives, please pay 100% of the costs for those with registration fees & fines. Not our tax dollars.
    Then everyone will be happy… 😉

  13. @ T:
    The problem is the next step is taking those guns away. Don’t believe me, look at where it’s happened, ie: Britain and Australia. Since the long gun registry doesn’t help stop crazy people from using firearms illegally what is it’s point? Its simple fodder for people who have no idea about firearms.
    I am a hunter as well. If I don’t support other firearms users such as target shooters even if I don’t target shoot with semi-autos than we all go down next time some moron massacres people and the government over-reacts to passify a crowd.
    I am 100% for licencing, ie: background checks etc. I am 100% for licenced people to carry arms.
    As to Jack Layton and his .22 I wonder what the Migratory Game Bird Act or the Ministry Natural Resources would have thought of that? ID-10-T error.

  14. @ T:
    The problem is the next step is taking those guns away. Don’t believe me, look at where it’s happened, ie: Britain and Australia. Since the long gun registry doesn’t help stop crazy people from using firearms illegally what is it’s point? Its simple fodder for people who have no idea about firearms.
    I am a hunter as well. If I don’t support other firearms users such as target shooters even if I don’t target shoot with semi-autos than we all go down next time some moron massacres people and the government over-reacts to passify a crowd.
    I am 100% for licencing, ie: background checks etc. I am 100% for licenced people to carry arms.
    As to Jack Layton and his .22 I wonder what the Migratory Game Bird Act or the Ministry Natural Resources would have thought of that? ID-10-T error.

  15. Jack Layton was hunting ducks in flight taking a head shot every time with his .22 revolver.
    T. wrote – imitating voice of public school principal:
    “…… in Canada is a privilege; Not a right,”
    This is the most stupid sentenced mindlessly repeated in Canada everyday. Privilege is a special right. Furthermore granted from a person or group of people to another person or group of people. Welcome to neo-feudalism.

  16. Brekruetz should have said: That Iggy should be clubbed like a baby seal. Clubb em like a seal.

  17. In Canada we inherited English Common Law, which has something called the Magna Carta of which
    Article 39 gives free men the absolute right to defend themselves.
    Our own Bill of Rights states:
    (a) the right of the individual to life, liberty, security of the person and enjoyment of property and the right not to be deprived thereof except by due process of law.
    Basically, anyone can apply for a PAL (Possesion and Acquistion License) and will get it unless they have a criminal record or mental illness.
    Gun ownwership is not a privilege, it is a right to be exercised by any adult Canadian, its just these days most choose not to do so and the media
    lies about it being a privilege.

  18. As noted, the gun registry has nothing to do with citizen safety. After all, registration of a long gun doesn’t enable anyone’s safety.
    And 99.9% of the gun-related homicides are done with handguns, that have been required to be registered for decades. Oh. But the ones that do those homicides are ‘illegal’. Heh, no criminal is going to register his gun. So registration does nothing for safety.
    The registry is itself a source of govt funded jobs; that’s all. And the CPAC is also about money not safety – jobs and pensions.

  19. Don’t feed the troll….
    @T
    Proves once again it is better to thought a fool than to open your mouth and forever remove all doubt.
    Much like Taliban Jack…T suffers from a credibility gap….

  21. Dad was a cop for 38 years, so I know more than a couple and I cannot picture any cop, looking up an address on the registry, seeing no weapons registered and thinking “well this place has no guns, don’t sweat taking this door guys!”
    Until proven otherwise, any cop that is interested in going home at the end of the shift is always going to assume there is a gun in any place they enter in the course of their duties.

  23. The only thing Jack could have done with a .22 would have been to shoot the ducklings still in the nest to reduce the overall carbon quack-print of the flock.

  24. Lif layton said he shot ducks with a .22 in his “rural” days he’s either a liar or a law breaker.
    It’s been illegal to shoot waterfowl with a rifle for several decades. That may be some small thing that did not filter through to the boon docks of Montreal where Layton spent his “rura;” youth.
    FRg, Lying is first nature to these creeps WHY do we allow such wretchedly corrupt people govern us??
    No wonder they fear guns in the hands of the electorate they lie to and cheat.

  25. I’m amazed by the ignorant condecension of all you folks who poo poo the idea of hunting ducks with a .22 Do you actually think that farm boys are stupid enough to try shooting ducks on the wing with a rifle?
    Back in the Jurrasic, when I was too young and small to use a shotgun (that would be age 10 to 12), I used to hunt ducks with my .22 and I got a hell of a lot of them. I’d belly-crawl to the edge of a slough or, along the creek that flowed through our place, I’d spot swimming ducks and take up a position just around a bend where I could wait for them. I also used to bring home grouse and even the occasional hungarian partridge.
    Layton is full of crap in many ways, and may be in this too but, don’t try to tell an old farm boy about pot hunting with a twenty two.

  26. Oh,and assuming there IS statute of limitations on gun offences,me and all my friends used to hunt ducks with.22’s back in the 50’s and 60’s. Why? Simple economics,we were NOT well off,and a box of 50 .22 LR was 50 cents while a box of 25 Imperial 12 guage was $4.
    We were all pretty good shots,because we had to be,and some of the best times I’ve ever had in my life was sneaking thorough the bullrushes with my hunting buddy and our dogs to ambush a couple of ducks in a pothole,popping the ducks head off with a .22 before they knew we were there.
    It wasn’t very sporting, but we weren’t sportsmen, we were survival hunters, the meat was served at the family dinner table,and the feathers plucked into a bag and used for pillows and quilts.
    Jack Layton may be more of a rugged he-man than I thought, but I have serious doubts.

  28. Cosh finally published something Gun owners have known for years. With all the cash filtered into the gun registry when the Libranos were setting it up it became as big a patronage feeding frenzy as the Adscam slush fund.
    Think about it. Rock gets Parliamentary approval for a 2 million dollar registry that ends up costing 2 billion due to contractor pork barreling. Strangely enough these same gun registry contractors are big donating patrons of police brass “benevolence” funds. The Police Chiefs support for the gun registry is obviously a matter of conflict of interest.
    What is really telling is that Cosh is just spilling some well known (in newsie circles) info that is telling of Police Brass patronage. Bet you never heard a word about it ’till now though.

  29. And before anyone gets all righteous abou my hunting being illegal – of course it was. It was also meat on the table. I wasn’t allowed to hunt anywhere except on our own place. I was a grown man hunting deer and antelope when I started buying licences.

  30. layton got about twenty ducks, you can see them sitting behind him in the House.

  31. T @ 11:34 AM
    “I am a gun owner and I fail to see the problem with registering firearms.”
    No you’re not, you’re a lying Liberal troll who knows nothing about firearms except the scripted talking points you read off your Librano website.

  32. A .22 is a very useful weapon. I too used to hunt game birds with one and if you shot them in the head you didn’t have to worry about finding the bullet in the meat. My grandfather used to hunt antelope with that same old .22. He would tie a bright rag on the fence and wait for the antelope to come and investigate and we would have some of the best tasting meat on the planet. Then we found out it was illegal….

  33. What the Hell! The “authorities” sent a bloody
    swat team to take down two duck hunters!
    Pathetic bunch of pansies. The “authorities”,
    not the hunters.

  34. Jim how wrong you are. I am a gun owner, all registered. Browning .308 BLR, 3030 Winchester, Browning 16 gauge side by side, Winchester single shot 20 gauge, Parker 12 gauge s/s and a couple of .22s. I still support the registry.

  36. Oh yeah, T? We’ll I’m NOT a gun owner, and even I can see that registering guns is a terrible idea which doesn’t make anyone safer.
    It’s about freedom, control, confiscation, and the demonization of inanimate objects and those who own them. It has NOTHING to do with safety.

  37. As I’ve noted before maybe we should have a machete registry because machetes are dangerous weapons.
    If you want to make someone very dead, there are a plethora of ways to achieve that end.
    The methods or weapons of choice don’t require a registry for each weapon of choice. The LGR completely overreaches and does nothing to enhance public safety.
    A better question would be why the individual felt they had a valid reason to extinguish someone else’s life other than for direct threats to one’s person or family.
    Alan Rock’s (U of O) $2 billion pot of mismanagement and outright corruption could have been better spent on police officer staffing levels. But then these hairbrained schemes are merely public relation sops that don’t actually do anything; other than provide political cover for the fact that bodies are dropping in the streets.
    The gun registry, like the CHRC, are just government employment for bureaucrats who have a ‘hate on’ for real freedom. These programs are about muzzling freedom because the kleptocrats who dream them up are afraid of real freedom.
    I keep my 0.45 calibre bear stopper for a reason. I have yet to ‘misuse’ it, though I have been tempted on one or two occasions. Though outnumbered 5 or 6 to 1, my family has kept the killing on the battlefield, where it belongs. So far we have walked off every battlefield we have stepped on.
    Perhaps the Toronto 18 would be a good excuse to start up a national ‘bomb registry’. This is the stuff of legislative comedy.
    As for Jack Layton shooting ducks with a .22 that may be possible if you are popping them off from close range floating on the lake. In flight, the preferred method is a shotgun.
    I was taught shooting by an Auzzie, who grew up shooting rabbits by the score with a .22. He also had a nice collection of Mausers which we got to use at target practice with scopes or over open sights.
    Long Gun Registry…should have been shot down long ago.
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  38. the cost of .22 bullets compared to 12 guage shotgun ammunition made it much more cost efficient to hunt ducks , rabbits grouse or prairie chickens , and even white tail deer with a .22. Within 15 feet or closer sitting in a tree , if you shot the whitetail just an inch or so above directly between the eyes the whitetail was dead . And no it wasn’t exacly legal , or sporting . i
    It was food .

  39. The cost of .22 bullets compared to 12 guage shotgun ammunition made it much more cost efficient to hunt ducks , rabbits grouse or prairie chickens , and even white tail deer with a .22. Within 15 feet or closer sitting in a tree , if you shot the whitetail just an inch or so above directly between the eyes the whitetail was dead . And no it wasn’t exacly legal , or sporting . It was called food .

  42. Whether “T” is a troll or not, the statement posed is a valid response by many gun and non gun owners. Why not register firearms like you would a car?
    The argument against the registry is that it is a wasteful and needless cost to the public, and has no effect on reducing violent crime, full stop. The agenda of the left is to take incremental steps to all out gun confiscation, and the long gun registry is an important step towards that goal. The agenda of their Liberal handlers is/ was to facilitate over a billion dollars of wasteful spending that could easily be “lost” in the system, which tidily lined someone’s pockets. Millions of taxpayer dollars is unaccounted for which was the ultimate goal by the openly corrupt Canadian Liberal government. Of course the satisfying by-product of this corruption scheme, had it seen its final end, would have been a pissed off but unarmed public.
    Why should a fair and honest government in a free and democratic society of law abiding citizens, fear its public legally owning firearms?

  44. Owning a gun in a human right, T.
    Try this experiment.
    Put as many guns as you can in your living room. Then watch carefully to see which one robs a bank or kills another human being.
    One thing I guarantee … you’ll be waiting a long time.

  45. Posted by: Joe>
    I could agree more that a .22 is the best firearm around for upland game birds. Head shot and you waste nothing, all good meat intact. Miss and there is no potential for a wounded bird. Shotgun obviously is a proven method, but I see the use of shotgun as the sport more than the meat collection for upland.
    Shotgun is the best for duck and goose IMHO.
    Obviously a .22 is useless for Antelope except in the manner you prescribed. I doubt many people would take the time and effort to patiently set up such a scenario for themselves. I think the biggest issue with that would be the temptation by many to shoot at the body if they missed their first opportunity and the animal was running away. That would be shameful, again just my opinion.

  46. I think the point that’s being missed here is Taliban Quack’s (thanks Maz2!) choice of words regarding his alleged exploits shooting ducks with a rifle.
    I think the correct term is “poaching”.

  47. Knight99 here is a response from a police officer posting to Cosh’s site.
    I’m a police officer in Toronto. Chief Bill Blair, or as we call him Chief Miller, DOES NOT SPEAK FOR FRONT LINE OFFICERS.
    Do you know how many times I have checked the registry in my 5 year career?
    ZERO.
    I assume ALL calls will involve firearms. It is A FACT that the information in the registry is incredibly inaccurate and out of date. So much so, the Canadian legal system WILL NOT ALLOW any information gained from the registry to be used as evidence in court The registry contains no information on illegal firearms, or LEGALLY borrowed firearms. In Canada it is perfectly legal for one individual with a firearms license to borrow a firearm from another licensed individual.
    Lets say I am licensed but don’t own a firearm. I LEGALLY borrow a shotgun from a friend, and have it at my house stored in accordance to Canada’s storage laws. Now, for whatever reason, the police are called to my house. By Blair’s assertion, the address the officer is responding to will be checked against the registry, Here’s where his argument falls apart: Even though I am currently in LEGAL possession of a shotgun, the registry check will show NO FIREARMS at my house, because I don’t OWN any.
    Now, had the officer run a simple firearms LICENCE check against my address through CPIC, it would show someone at my address was licensed to own/be in possession of a firearm. That is a much more accurate check

  48. @ All those guys who used .22 to shoot ducks:
    Yep I know it can be done, easily in fact, there’s been times I came across a mallard in a pond and thought about it…
    All I said was I wonder what the Migratory Game Bird Act and MNR thinks of those actions? In other words its been a long time since Layton used a gun, doesn’t obviously know anything about regulations, and therefore he doesn’t speak for those of us who do.
    @ T:
    You actually made me walk away from the computer is disgust. Its one thing for a townie to not understand anything about licencing, I excuse them all the time and patiently explain how it all works. Its another thing for a gun owner like you to bury your head in the “they’ll never come for my guns” sand.
    If it’s not doing any good, oppose it, because the consequences are Britain and Australia.

  50. Knight 99:
    The argument against the registry should be actually quite different.
    First of all, C68 has turned all Canadians who own guns into instant criminals. This is what Bruce Montague, Dave Tomlinson et al got their pants in the knot about.
    Car registration is similar and different at the same time. Not registering one’s car is not criminal in nature. Even driving unregistered car is not criminal.
    But not having a piece of paper on one’s person lands that person in jail for up to 5 years. Quite a difference with cars, eh?
    I contend registration of cars is unconstitutional under Chapter 6 and illegal under Universal declaration of human rights, but this is for another discussion.
    Registration of dogs is a make-work project for the feel good bleeding heart hippies and bureaucrats. It serves no useful purpose. I come from a country where no licensing and no registration of pets exist and the heaven have not fallen to the ground.

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