Y2Kyoto: Stuff I Should Have Thought Of First

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“Warmergate plumbers”
Post morning coffee update…
Finally, an actual Canadian news story free of dismissiveness, by Canwest – “From Climategate to Copenhagen” . Factual, concise, and it treats the scandal with the seriousness it deserves. Good job, Robert Foot.
This past week has seen Canada’s opinion guys doing the job their news departments won’t do, and a very good one at that – Gunter, Goldstein, Gormley, Adler, Solomon, and now Coren. The radio guys have been exceptional in this regard, in large part because they spend their days talking with their audience, instead of down to it.
As Mark Steyn notes, it puts the lie to sniffy proclamations such as this;

And the whole system is based on a kind of intellectual theft. Internet aggregators (who link to news they don’t produce) and bloggers would have little to collect or comment upon without the costly enterprise of newsgathering and investigative reporting. The old-media dinosaurs remain the basis for the entire media food chain.

Andrew Bolt (in Australia) – “You fools. You cut your own throats.”

What do you think the people reading of this scandal there conclude when they then turn to, say, The Age or the ABC, and find there barely a word of coverage?
I’ll tell you: they’ll conclude that the media cannot be trusted to tell even the news, let alone the truth, when it conflicts with their agenda.

On a related note, your 9:00 am Saturday morning traffic report: more than 9,200 visits to SDA since midnight, 2,700 in the last hour.
Internal logs show significantly higher traffic than does web-based Sitemeter counter, which is usually the case. We’re pushing out 4.6 Gigs of bandwidth per day at the moment.
On another related note….

62 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: Stuff I Should Have Thought Of First”

  2. gone are the days of 10 mikes in front of one politician. It’s efficiency , the old view was competition , but they dont compete for speed on a story in the post broadcast world.
    one microphone and then distribute on the internet.
    these days the phonies are on both sides of the microphone.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7myG2Mluv0

  3. yes good article by Foot, except for medieval warm period MAY have been warmer than now. How about WAS.
    Has anyone noticed a poll in the media with the simple question “Do you believe that global warming/climate change is caused by Carbon Dioxide produced by human activities?” I regular give my key strokes to Globe and Mail polls.

  5. “Finally, an actual Canadian news story free of dismissiveness, by Canwest – “From Climategate to Copenhagen” .
    National Post, or the stable of the Quebecor Sun Chain ( forget Globemedia or CBC they still don’t know what the hell is going on) need to put their corporate MSM weight behind the Hadley CRU / Jones and “Mann-made Global warming” and tie story into the Cap & Trade World Government tax scheme which it is, with headlines and front page editorials, even though they are late in the game.
    The individual journalists mentioned deserve kudos, however as long as the MSM corporation does not stand behind the writers and expound on the corruption involved in the issue, they simply remain enablers of a massive fraud involved by the entrenched charlatan warmist scientists, the ….”Warmergate Plumbers” or better yet, the “Mann-made Global Warming” fantasy.

  6. When I was young the code of the media was:
    “Be first but be accurate.”
    Today it’s:
    “Be a liar but be first.”

  7. A disturbing trend in the reports that are making the MSM, is the reference to ‘hacked e-mails’, but make no comment regarding the data sets and programming included in the FOI package.
    Its being glossed over, people. After all, the average citizen is pretty uneducated, and things like data sets, Fortran, outliers and running averages do not register. They are more concerned about Brad Pitt’s hairstyle and how cold the beer is.
    That’s the media spin, and they will say they did report it……but only what THEY deemed was newsworthy.
    Is this a coverup, or professional laziness and stupidity? I can see some in the press saying, “there go those conspiracy theorists again!” and who can blame them?
    That is why it is necessary to get the code and the data sets out there, all over, to programming wizards and professionals, not allied with us skeptics, and not allied with the alarmists. Somebody much smarter and wealthy than ourselves (Nigel Lawson? various RW commentators (Beck, Limbaugh, et al? Fraser Institute?) needs to commission a few independent software companies to analyze and report the sets, and present to the world for their analysis. It would even be better if one of them was an advocate of AGW, and found the results run smack dab opposite the desired result.
    One can only hope……

  10. CBC continues to buck this trend, keeping its head firmly in the sand. The story posted on Climate change mentions UN honcho Ban insisting we set some realistic targets, some calls for Canada’s ouster from the Commonwealth, these from the Commonwealth conference. I notice from the comments that some people do not depend on CBC for their information, although there are a lot of Suzuki sympathizers writing in. I am encouaged by the Foot piece in Ottawa Citizen.

  13. So, Kate, what are you trying to say with that Meltdown graph?
    That the MSM is going to take up FORTRAN programming to hide the decline?

  14. As to the revenues issue with the dead tree media, it is pretty obvious what is happening, and why their $$$ have plunged. I can only speak for Victoria, a mid-sized hub of multiple small municipalities, but I think it sums up things well.
    People are buying fewer newspapers. The local TimesCommunist no longer prints on Mondays, but, only 20 years ago, they never had a Saturday edition, that never gets mentioned……
    People get their news from online sources, such as the TC’s own website, and the Sun and Province for that matter. No flipping through all the pages to find what you want, only stories read are thos that catch your eye with the headline. A far better, and less ‘spun’ experience.
    The major advertisers, such as car dealerships, all have their own websites, where you can do your searches for what you want. That goes for many different sources of merchandise.
    Real estate agents used to be huge contributors to newspapers. Now, everything is online, and, if you are searching for a house in a newspaper, it will be gone by the time you read it in print.
    But, I think this is the real bread and butter of advertising, that has vacated the dead tree media.
    Local private advertising, the classifieds. The rates for the classifieds were terrible. $30 for 20 words for two days. Excessive. Talk about pissing off your clientele. Along came the websites, here, namely UsedVictoria dot com,(which has expanded profoundly across Western Canada). This website is huge, and is seemingly used by everyone I know, for everything used. I advertise stuff nowhere else but here. No more ads in the Times Communist.
    It is free to post your goods for sale. Nuff said.
    I still wonder who buys the TC, the true believers? The TC is certainly preaching to its choir, the government civil serpents. Another reason why big $$$ isn’t putting their dollars there.
    It can’t go away fast enough.

  15. Well, feeling particularly sadistic this weekend, I present for your discernment the CBC’s take on climategate via their quirks and quacks guy:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/quirks-blog/2009/11/climate_science_still_sound.html
    Feel free to leave a comment.
    Also, CBC newswhatever ran a show last night called “Carbon Hunters” about carbon credit trading. Witness more stupidity in one hour than an entire season of stupid pet tricks.
    I’ll bet that the Romans never saw it coming either.

  17. How much money would Canada save it it was evicted from the commonwealth. How many of those countries really do think that Canada’s wealth is their common wealth.

  19. Leave the Commonwealth, and dump Canada’s membership in the Eunuch Nations.
    The UN’s dream of a far-left and socialist “One-World-Government” needs to be killed, and the sooner the better.

  20. That print newspaper sales graph is actually very good news for the warmists. Fewer trees have to die, now. That’s gotta be good, right?

  22. Foot, as representative of the MSM, still doesn’t get it. That’s not entirely his fault; if you don’t have a bent for science, getting up to speed is no easy task. The report however, shows itself for what it really is, a fluff piece reporting mostly on the comments of few interviewees, rather than any kind of in-depth look at the issues involved.
    What is being missed by most of the media, primarily due to lack of objective research on their part, is what the real story is: the emperor wears no clothes. While the email traffic certainly speaks to the ethics of the researchers, the smoking gun is the state of temperature “record” as promulgated by these individuals in the guise of a historic “global” measure. It clearly is just junk, an unsubstantiable mishmash of observations, interpretations, unreliable (even unscientific) proxies, all of which is further massaged without proper accreditation, to produce a picture of “global warming”.
    Had MSM writers looked into this very fundamental issue of what measure do we actually have to support increasing temperatures, they would find that the number of actual historic databases and measures can be counted on the fingers of one hand, with considerable overlap between sources, and, as Anthony Watts has demonstrated so clearly with his station monitoring program, no scientific or even technical oversight for reliability or accuracy. HADCRUT is one of the TWO major temp series used to monitor global warming, and its definitively shown to be just crap. GISStemp will fair not better upon detailed review. It is on these very flimsy premises that the evaluations of FRACTIONAL increases in temperature, and consequent catatastrophe, is based.
    ALL of the rest of the global warming “science” is anecdotal. Virtually none of it is scientific, primarily because its all about proxies. Virtually none of the proxies have a shred of integrity as measures of global historical (or even current) temperature. There are multiple hypotheses for virtually every phenomenon reported as evidence of global warming, the weakest of which, in most cases, is AGW. Even the vaunted C02 greenhouse effect is patently false. Clowns like Bennett in the article need a slap upside the head for outrageous arrogance over any real science.

  23. That CBC article about the science still being sound was posted yesterday in the late afternoon. Still no comments showing, even though it’s noonish the next day. They must all be of the denier variety. Can’t let that through, now can we.

  25. Imagine, if you will, the next federal election. Due to Warmergate, the CBC has been outed as enablers of a fraud, and its behaviour has become an election issue – after all they are on the public teat. The Conservatives let the issue fester without actually engaging in it, then win a majority. They then privatize the CBC.
    Remember, it’s just a fantasy.

  26. Sorry, but I don’t think that Ottawa Citizen story counts. It’s in the technology section — not in “News”. This whole thing should have been front page news — not today, but when it actually happened over a week ago.

  28. C’mon, Kate; just today the Torstar was reporting on the poor polar bears starving on shrinking(?) polar ice, the permanent (get it?) ice that is.
    The dinosaurs will continue their wink and nudge as long as possible. Face it the warmists control the agenda, it will take more than Coren et al to shake them loose.
    Think in terms of how long it took our MSM to report on Adscam. Dragged in, kicking and screaming, but only when the story got legs with the public. That could take years.
    The kleptocrat party of world government is hoping they will be in charge by then so they can jail climate dissidents.
    Except it won’t work. The public can be counted on to hug a tree until the climate bureaucrat reaches into their wallet. Then they let go.
    The warmists will overreach, again, except in a big way. Hopefully, that is.
    Except for Europe. The fantasy shall continue there.

  29. Hey, looking at that meltdown chart, finally a hockey stick (keep your stick on the ice).

  30. Let’s throw away all the bad science, the faked proxies, the tainted Fortran code, the half-baked models, the barbecue/weather station combos, the hockey sticks, Kyoto, Copenhagen and the UN. What are we left with?
    The hard fact that we have added, and still add, a lot of carbon to our atmosphere. (and don’t give me this rubbish about volcanoes producing more than humans – this has been debunked over and over. Our contribution is some 150 times more, and growing).
    The ‘skeptic’ position is to assume the last-century change of CO2 concentration, 275 to 390 ppm, had no significant effect on climate. The warming of the 20th century (still evidenced by retreating glaciers) is then ‘natural’. Fair enough.
    We therefore carry on with an uncontrolled experiment on our own atmosphere. Allowing for continued population and economic growth, we will reach 500 ppm by 2045 and close to 1,000 ppm by the end of the century.
    Are we sure this will have no effect? No. Anyone affirming that is lying, or deluded. They don’t know.
    We must get the science right. We need to put scientists that have honesty and integrity on this.

  31. The CBC’s Quirks & Quarks article is downright criminal. Absolute lies.
    “For the most part, these emails reveal that the scientists were doing what scientists do ..”
    “Now, obviously climate scientists should not be attempting to suppress research. But no such thing happened.”

  32. It started here and they have just invented one bigger, hairer, scarier hysteria after the other. The end justifies the means and hey, what is a little fraud and criminality among consenting Climate Scientists?
    The state has no place in the labs of the nation!
    The Club of Rome’s 1991 book, The First Global Revolution:
    “In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
    The real enemy then is humanity itself.”

  33. The hard fact that we have added, and still add, a lot of carbon to our atmosphere.
    Yes indeed, please do get the science right.

  35. “When I was young the code of the media was:
    ‘Be first but be accurate.’
    Today it’s:
    ‘Be a liar but be first.'”
    Er, no.
    The newspaper code has always been: make lotsa copy (i.e., stories the readers want), sell lotsa papers, make lotsa money from advertising.
    Balance was catered to by having a range of newspapers of different political slants and perspectives.
    Putting aside politics and “journalistic ethics” (whatever that’s supposed to mean*), a good old-fashioned media outlet would always go with what it thought would sell.
    Kate has nicely highlighted the current reality with the Macleans blogs. Contrast blogging activity over the detainee torture story with the “Warmergate” one. Colby Cosh’s two “Norwich” items have received pro and con comments in the hundreds vice a mere handful of comments on the “Colvin” affair.
    Any bloody-minded publisher/editor alert to trends would have demoted the Afghanistan story days ago to sidebar status and focussed on the climate change CRU hacking issue.
    * The New York Times had no qualms about publishing the Pentagon Papers.

  36. Good post GreenNeck. The counterpoint is pollution will continue to grow, unless everybody, especially the developing world, stops/seriously abates use of fossil fuels. Is the UN proposing that?
    No you are right, they are setting up their kleptocracy, with scholarships to Saddam Hussein University available soon.
    I also agree that we can’t continue pouring carbon into the atmosphere, though I don’t agree that the problem will be global warming, given the small contribution of human activity to overall greenhouse gases.
    Pollution is another matter. A cesspool awaits, not here, but in China and India, whose future pollution GROWTH will be greater than the combined TOTAL output of Canada, Australia, Great Britain and Germany (something like that, but my point is made).
    The obsession with AGW, pro and con, has to end. Start working on a new fuel source for powering grids and vehicles. Nuclear (safe, no pap) must be used as transition power source (no pollution, annual waste able to fit in a pop can).
    No BS carbon sequestration (unsafe), or windmills (10 square miles of them for electricity to 5000 people, what a joke).
    And let’s get China (and Maurice Strong) to do it. NOT. Do it here. Do it as soon as you can, and reap the rewards (which we can share) here.
    By the time the UN has skimmed their profit, and the charlatans, profiteers and global village idiots have secured their lucr, there will be little or nothing left to actually improve the environment. What has the $billions already spent “fighting” climate change gotten us, except make Al Gore rich.
    I believe Mr Harper will defend our interests, along those lines, when he goes to Copenhagen.

  37. I think we need a prominent web-counter to show how many days the CBC continues to not report on the Hadley CRU scandal.

  38. re “meltdown” figure: how much wood would the woodchucks chuck? and, more importantly, could this value be transformed using corrupt/inept data entry processes?

  39. From the Canwest link: “But Katz says the hacked e-mail exchanges prove the IPCC, and governments everywhere, have been seriously misled.”
    Oh, that poor IPCC, having the wool pulled over their eyes. Does anyone really believe they’re innocent victims in this?
    It doesn’t make sense that Jones, Mann, etc. decided all by their selves to come up with this fraud. They were providing the results that the IPCC wanted from the beginning.

  40. “For the most part, these emails reveal that the scientists were doing what scientists do ..”
    Probably true, and so an indictment on the INDUSTRY itself …

  41. I don’t think I’ve ever been this pi$$ed at the CBC. I mean, I don’t really watch them anymore, haven’t for a long time, but their willful disregarding of this huge story is sickening. The fact that Global and CTV are doing it too doesn’t bother me as much, because I don’t have money stolen from me to support them.
    I agree with Joel Johannesen at PTBC: State-owned and state-run media should be banned in this country, and that notion should be enshrined in our constitution.

  42. The MSM climate fraud deniers have cut their throat with the public, AND THE POLITICIANS, whom they have pushed deep into the tar pit. The politicians won’t forget. Nice work, editors. The power you think you wield is as real as anthropogenic global warming.

  43. I’m not terribly surprised by the almost catatonic reaction of the MSM to Warmergate. Huge political, financial, and emotional investments have been made in this hoax.
    Thousands of politicians, special “climate correspondents”, rent seekers, and other hangers on have been under siege for some time. Warmergate is a new and devastating blow for them. And human nature has caused them to “go to ground”.
    As Terence Corcoran has suggested Copenhagen will pass without results. Obama’s cap and tax bill will die. And several years of slowly unwinding the hoax will ensue as people try to find out ways to quietly back out.
    Please keep up the great blogging on this Kate. The old but profound saw about the “truth always finding a way to come out” has been confirmed again.

  44. Climategate gets ONE sentence in the mop and pail:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/spector-vision/harper-takes-heat/article1381405/
    It’s worth noting, however, that Mr. Harper’s political base is not really with him: they’ve for years been fighting the science of global warming and have recently been re-energized by the “Climategate” leaks. To date, however, only Saudi Arabia’s negotiator, Mohammad al-Sabban, has called into question the Copenhagen conference.

  47. One good thing that I just realised..
    …hear that??
    Silence.
    Crickets.
    Nothing from the Libs and dippers wrt PMSH and Hopenhagen.
    Guess they DO read SDA. 🙂

  48. ‘David Suzuki says jail those who ignore climate science.’
    Fair call – as even the IPCC concedes several upcoming decades of global cooling, should Suzuki deny this, may he fall on his sword that he lives by …

  50. How To Make a CRU-tUrn*?
    …-
    “University of East Anglia U-turn in climate
    change row
    Leading British scientists at the University of East Anglia, who were accused of manipulating climate change data, have agreed to publish their figures in full.
    David Holland is seeking prosecutions against some of Britain’s most eminent academics for allegedly holding back information in breach of disclosure laws.
    The U-turn by the university follows a week of controversy after the emergence of hundreds of leaked emails, “stolen” by hackers and published online, triggered claims that the academics had massaged statistics.
    In a statement welcomed by climate change sceptics, the university said it would make all the data accessible as soon as possible, once its Climatic Research Unit (CRU) had negotiated its release from a range of non-publication agreements.
    The publication will be carried out in collaboration with the Met Office Hadley Centre. The full data, when disclosed, is certain to be scrutinised by both sides in the fierce debate.
    A grandfather with a training in electrical engineering dating back more than 40 years emerged from the leaked emails as a leading climate sceptic trying to bring down the scientific establishment on global warming.
    David Holland, who describes himself as a David taking on the Goliath that is the prevailing scientific consensus, is seeking prosecutions against some of Britain’s most eminent academics for allegedly holding back information in breach of disclosure laws.
    Mr Holland, of Northampton, complained to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) last week after the leaked emails included several Freedom of Information requests he had submitted to the CRU, and scientists’ private responses to them.” (more)
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2396009/posts
    *A warmer goes for His driving test. During the test the instructor says to the warmer, “Can you make a CRU – turn?”
    The warmer replies. “No, but I can make Mao Stlong’s eyes water.”
    Submitted by calamjo
    Edited by Curtis”
    (redneckjokes)

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