Treatment you’d only wish on Jack Layton;
We waited nearly an hour for a resident to finally stop by and enquire what the matter was. Appallingly, she had no prior knowledge of why my Mother had been admitted. My shock increased after she asked, in all seriousness, if the angioplasty had been a success. I can only assume that the look on my face caused her to retreat and summon the physician on duty. Exhibiting Solomon like wisdom, the attending doctor suggested that a physical examination was in order. She then disappeared with the resident in tow. A nurse was dispatched who informed us that my Mother would have to be undressed for the examination. Since this Angel of Mercy made no offer to assist, I took it upon myself to undress my bedridden mother in a public corridor, in full view of the passing parade of visitors, patients and staff. (Truth be told, the homeless guy was pretty discrete, or at least preoccupied.)
Mom was eventually examined, in the public corridor, and an ultrasound ordered, all while a street person dumped a filled adult diaper on the floor and replaced her own soiled bed linens in the ward next to us.
Read the whole thing.
phantom sez…ER DRIBBLES MORE LIKE
” Lefties will now please explain why we Canadians have the best health care in the world, and why a private care option would be disaster. Ready, go!”
sarge aint no lefty but sarge is here to tell yar little phant-cum man we is american not kanukistani no one here is lookin at yer retarded model us real red blooded americans look to the israeli an german model only us bein the ones what put a man on the moon an won ww2 so yar wouldnt have to speak german and all of that well we aint gona screw the pooch like no inbred baby seal rustlin @sshat from the great frozen north so shut it boy or the sarge will shut it for ya
I am sorry for your communist health non-care system. Personally, I would have gone out to the parking lot that these f*cksticks always reserve for themselves and set every damned one of their cars on fire. I like my health care experiences to be deeply personal and bi-directional.
The Sargent is a fine example of the hubris that has the US on the brink getting abhealthcaee system that could actually be worse than the canadian one.
LindaL I don’t know how many there are, I’m sure its in the manny thousands. Medicine is a provincal responsibility yet there are thousands of federal employes. I don’t think any one knows how many non-medical people are at the trough. It has a name. Its called empire building. The reasoning being the more people under you the more you make. I think in governments this is the norm.
The joke.
How many people work here?
About half.
The sad truth with government is about 1 fifth.
This is a HUGE problem, and there are no easy answers, but what makes everything worse is the atomization of our society — every man, woman, and child for themselves.
In a nutshell, what we need is more compassion, a willingness to understand that I AM NOT # 1.
But, how do we instill this kind of altruism into our population?
We used to do it in our homes, when Mom was baking those cookies in the kitchen, doing the laundry, and setting junior straight when his narcissism flared up. This mom has been banned from politically correct society. (When was the last time you saw a woman as a full-time mom in an ad?)
We used to do it in our schools and classrooms, when discipline was real and logical consequences quickly and effectively followed misdemeanors. That classroom and school are a mere backwards-glance chimera. Gone, gone, gone. Infantile parents are now clients, and “zero tolerance” and “safe schools” now mean safe for the bullies and zero tolerance for disciplinarians and whistle blowers. The bullies win every time.
We used to do it in our churches which, BTW, were filled by 80% of our population 50 years ago but are now attended by only 20%, which means that 80% of us never hear the message of “love thy neighbour as thyself” or anything at all about forgiveness and bearing one anothers’ burdens. The G*d-word has been banned pretty much from public discourse (and even when I bring it up on a forum such as this one, there’s pretty much universal silence and, I’m sure I can hear it, snickering.)
We can’t turn back the clock, but let’s be honest about what Trudeau’s dystopian, socialist, multicultural vision has done to Canada: It’s stripped our society of civility and compassion — and dumped the Christian Church into the garbage. Every other “faith,” including, of course, secular humanism now rife in our media and our “educational” and governmental institutions, is given pride of place in our public square, but if you’re a Christian you’d better shut up, go to the back of the line, or better yet, get out, period.
Now, we’re paying the piper, we’re reaping the maelstrom of pragmatic, utilitarian, no-G*d, socialism. Are we proud of ourselves? Have we made PET proud?
You bet we have!
Perhaps I am the exception to these horror stories but as my mother was a nurse as my sister currently is I am certainly aware of them. Almost everyone I know, family, acquaintances, and friends has had great care through our system. I am lucky to have an excellent GP but my wife has no doctor. One friend was just airlifted from Killbear Park to his local heart hospital near Guelph just 2 days ago.
Am I saying we have the best system? No I am not as it is getting strained to the limit. The best system, Linda L, is found in France where there is a blend of private and public health. An example here is The Shouldice Clinic where I went for their world-renowned speciality of only hernia operations, even Bin Layton went there. The care, follow-up and food was just superb. All done through our OHIP card. We should have similar units for knees and hips for example. There should be 24/7 clinics where all non-trauma patients must go before being sent to an ER if required removing the huge amounts of patients that clog it up with colds and minor complaints.
An example of this is when I cut my eyelid on a branch and required 4 stitches. I tried to go to walk-in clinic but told to go to an ER. The doctor there told me these clinics don’t want to spend the money for sterilizing equipment!
The biggest problem as we all have stated is with a leftist mindset in our Liberal and NDP parties these practical solutions are never considered as they step away from our socialized system, which of course is not used by these elitists.
Hi sargy. Defaulting to “shut up” and lame sexual references eh? Typical camp guard mentality, sargy baby. This is why you are going down to defeat.
I have an idea for you. Why not engage your little, tiny, minuscule brain to the topic of conversation, hmn? Just for variety, y’unnerstand. The topic is the utter collapse of single payer health care in Canada, and the 100% certainty it will collapse in the USA if Obama has his way. Ideas? Comments? God forbid, facts?
As for WWII, and WWI for that matter, y’all were a day late and a dollar short both times. Go read some history wankerboy, the war started in 1939 and Canadians were there. Your lot weren’t until 1942. Democrat president, remember?
Sorry to hear about your problems BCF with your mother and the TGH. I hope things turn out.
The best way to deal with this (if you have not already done so) is to directly forward your experience to McGinty and Harper. I think that they will investigate and get back to you.
The other thing to do is to insist that in any emergency that your mother is sent to Sunnybrook or St. Mike’s.
I was in Arizona about a year ago and happened to head down to Tombstone for a day (to checkout the OK Corral, Boot Hill, saloon girls, gun slingers, etc.) and thought I would check out a local watering hole. I grapped a stool and a Mexican beer and started listening to one of the locals describe her cat after being bitten by a diamondback – the cat’s hair fell out but it actually survived. I then asked about what would happen if any of them got bitten (they were ranch hands and foremen and their wives). None of them had health insurance – they were a high risk group. I asked what would happen if they got bit by a diamondback. They said it would cost 25K and seriously damage them financially. I asked what do you do then – and they said we try not to get hurt or bit – except that in our business we still get hurt and bit. When I got back to Canada I came up with the idea of a national health savings plan. I fired off an email to Stephen Harper and explained my plan (it would be a combo similar to the education savings plan and RSPs – contributions would be tax deductible – you could even contribute for your kids, etc., etc.). Harper’s staff got the email – and my big story about Arizona – and thanked me for the ideas and had copied Tony Clement (the then Health Minister) asking him to look at it. I thought that this would be the end of that – but – lo and behold – Tony’s staff replied with a well researched letter a couple of months later. It turns out that my idea is not new. It was brought up and discussed as part of a Chretien Royal Commission on Health and even earlier as part of a Mulroney Royal Commission (in fact a whole bunch of stuff has been done on this – and this stuff is publicly available). They explained the pro’s and con’s and that they were actively thinking of piloting something like this in the area of maternity (Note that I still have the letter but I cannot find it right now so it might not be this area – it might be another area). Now maybe I fell for political razmataz but I was impressed with the effort put into this. I got the impression that they are constantly looking at improving the system and that they want new ideas. I also got the impression that they really do see health, education, and public safety (and territorial integrity) as strategically important to Canada’s economic advantage and success in the future.
Again, concerning Toronto’s hospitals: My parents are also elderly Irish immigrants and have suffered a bunch of calamities. The most recent one was my Dad (he’s now 80). Last year he hit his head on a kitchen cupboard and started feeling dizzy so he went to the doctor and the doctor thought he would be okay. A day later he came over to my house to help install a new oven hood but he was feeling very sleepy and kind of had a sick stomach but he said he was okay and I believed him. I had to go to NYC the next day for a week. When I got to NYC I phoned my dad again and he said he felt good and had just got back from golfing – so I felt pretty good. When I got back from NYC everyone including me noticed that my dad was takking and acting strange – he would start talking about Hamilton and Ireland and saying he had to go back for something and he was becoming very lethargic. We contacted the doctor and Lakeridge Health and a CAT scan was to be setup to check him out – we knew something was going on. A day later my dad disappeared. My sister contacted me and I burned it over to his house. He was gone with his car. There were several voice messages on his phone from Lakeridge Health to setup a CAT scan and he had not responded. We did the 911 thing. The cops showed up pretty fast. We gave them the story. I thought he might be heading for Hamilton so they put out an APB across Durham, Toronto and Hamilton. We emailed the cops his photo. They asked us a bunch of questions – apparently old guys go missing alot – we said he’s a big west coast Irish Catholic guy and there is no way he is going to commit suicide, etc. Seven hours later they found him in downtown Toronto – he had somehow driven from Whitby to Toronto – he had somehow parked is car perfectly and was wandering around in an A&P. The cops phoned me because I was the contact and let me know that they had him and the the EMS had arrived – Where did we want to send him? My brother’s wife had just had twins and had a very tough – even life threatening – pregnancy – she and the kids are in good shape now. She knew Toronto hospital’s. She basically ordered us to take him to St. Mike’s or Sunnybrook. The EMS guy said that they think he has a brain hemorrhage and his brain is distorted and that Sunnybrook might be a little better for trauma. We sent him there and burned it from Whitby to get there. He was triaged and initial tests were taken – they knew what he had – we had to wait for a couple of hours in the waiting room. He finally got a bed in emergency and they did more tests on him – he probably waited another 3 hours there. (Interesting note: A guy came in with gun shot wounds and was surrounded by police. They cordoned off the whole area. It looked serious and I could see doctors working on this guy in a kind of operating room in emergency which actually had windows so I could vaguely see something happening. I could not leave my dad’s room in emergency and no one in the waiting room could enter our area until the gun shot guy was initially treated and then moved.) My dad went in for a CAT scan at about 1am and surgery around 3am. He was actually operated on by the Head of Neurosurgery at UofT and Sunnybrook (he is well known) – it was his shift believe it or not. Around 7am my dad started to come around. The doctor dropped by and took a look at him – the doctor asked him to look at him – my dad slapped the big blues on him and the doctor immediately said that he was going to be okay – I guess they can tell by the eyes. The whole left half of my dad’s head was shaven bald – and he had a big tube sticking out of his head – and he had IVs and oxygen things sticking out of him all over the place. He had another CAT scan two days later – his brain had completely re-centered and it looked good. He was released in 2 weeks – had urinary problems for a while – because any time they go into the skull there is always some side-effect – he is now healthy and the holes in his head have almost refilled. I was extremely impressed with the experience and sent thank you letters to all sorts of people involved.
I think everyone has good and bad stories to tell about our system. Maybe I’m one of the lucky few who has not had any problems. I have heard though that Toronto General sucks and something needs to be done. I’ve also seen dramatic improvements in health care at Lakeridge Health (and Oshawa General) over the last 5 or 6 years – part of this is the brand new facilities and part of this is far better organization and management.
LindaL said: “But, alas, I don’t think market demand is the ultimate driver of acceptable health care services, though it may be the driver of premium health care services.”
That’s because the market isn’t allowed to operate in health care. It used to, before the current socialist stupidity. There were Nightingale-style wards for those of modest means, and private rooms with private nurses for those with more money. The wealthy -stayed home- and the doctor came to them.
Now we don’t have any of that. Now no matter how much money you have, or how little, you wait in the hallway. Or the parking lot. Unless you have friends in the business to cut through the lines for you. That’s socialism.
The cure is -not- more socialism. The cure is less. as I said above at 3:55pm, fire the government half of the medical establishment in this country and you’ll have made a start on fixing things.
If I have to throw one more penny into a system that is crap – I will SCREAM. Dump 3/4 of the top-end admin, abolish health care unions (or any permanant union for that matter), and model our system after the #1 system in the world. Let’s stop discussing American vs Canadian and talk about France vs Canada when it comes to healthcare. PS Give me some of my hard-earned G** da**ed tax dollars back!!
No One “47 million uninsureds is either ill-informed, fooling themselves”
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Thank you for that additional breakdown. I accept that the 47 million may not be accurate, but it has been the figure commonly batted about. My main reason for citing the figure at all is that I prefer a system where I feel that everyone is covered. Unfortunately, we have too many people needing care and too few resources. I am not opposed to more private care in Canada for those that can afford it — but I do wish to retain basic level, reasonable care for all. I know there are horror stories, but in talking with my friends most of us also know plenty of people who have been served well by the system. As for moving to public care in the States, I think it is a shame that not everyone is covered. Many of that 47% who are employed “full-time” are working for marginal wages at companies that do not provide health care. I think it would be good to extend Medicare to reach some of these. I do not necessarily think a public system such as ours would work in the States (given the entrenchment of private insurance and many satisfied people), but I like the availability of public health care in Canada though I acknowledge the need to improve services.
LindaL: “I accept that the 47 million may not be accurate, but it has been the figure commonly batted about.”
And, by whom? The guys trying to ram the one-healthcare-program-fits-all down Americans’ throats and their toadies in the MSM.
If the everyone-has-coverage healthcare programs, like ours, result in the decimation of our once excellent healthcare system, which used to allow for private coverage, then what have we gained?
Sorry BCF that you and your mother had to go through this. One almost doesn’t know where to begin.
In my own experience the Canadian health care system, as with most human systems, is staffed by a range of people. Some nurses are dedicated and compassionate human beings who genuinely try to do the best for their patients. Others are union poster-girls whose sole focus is their coffee breaks and their paychecks. Unfortunately the union seems more concerned about protecting the latter than raising the standards of professionalism. There’s likewise a range of physicians, from those who knock themselves out for their patients to those looking for an easier way to skim the money.
I could go on all day about problems and solutions in the Canadian system, but I’ll be brief.
At present, the incentives in the system are perverse. There is no incentive to provide best-quality care to patients and insofar as it is provided, it’s done so by the genuine caring and professionalism of most of the health care workers I work with. Unfortunately, the down side is that there’s little drive and enormous bureaucratic/union obstacles to culling the bad apples.
The institutions have no incentive beyond political pressure/publicity to improve patient care or efficiency. In a centrally planned, fixed-budget system every patient is an additional cost/burden, not a welcome paying guest.
The forced-saving system, akin to Singapore’s CPF system has been talked about for some time. Even better about Singapore’s mixed system is that the health care system is run like a public utility. The hospitals and polyclinics as well as private clinics each have strong incentives to provide the best service to the range of “customers” they target wether it be the low-cost “drive through” polyclinics targetting the lower end market or the posh private clinics where one pays a premium for more up market service and amenities. A key feature is that users fork over some money at the point of contact. That creates an important interaction between user and provider: “How much is this costing and what am I getting for it?” And the system is inspected and audited as only Singaporean officials can do.
In Canada, governments have to decide wether they want to be insurers or providers, not both. For my money the optimal system will be one of public insurance with an annual deductible based upon one’s income. Clinics should be/remain private and hospitals run like public utilities.
LindaL said: “…I like the availability of public health care in Canada though I acknowledge the need to improve services.”
What have we just been talking about for two days here Linda? Services are NOT AVAILABLE. The lady is being seen IN THE HALLWAY. Because there are NOT ENOUGH STAFF, not because the building is too small. And in Ontario, because of budget shortfalls they are -laying off- staff.
I must forcefully add that there are not enough staff or services or equipment despite the fact that fully half or more of your total income goes to government right now.
You are not getting the service you think you are. You better not get sick or you’re are going to get a big shock, Linda.
LindaL: “at companies that do not provide health care”
A better solution would be to give the tax break for coverage to the employee rather than the employer. I’d like to say that’s my idea but it’s not. It’s from Charles Krauthammer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080602933.html
Olivia Chow: “If this can happen to me, as someone who has been in public service for 20 years, this can happen to anyone”
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/269098
JM, political pull counts for jack in this system, pardon the pun. Family connections are it, otherwise you’re in the soup line. Money and political position doesn’t get you much.
Jack and Olivia just experienced the fruits of their labors there. They and their NDP buddies made this system what it is today, corrupt and broken.
Too bad her mum was the one that paid the price. Sooner see Olivia and/or Jack taking the spear than a bystander.
IMHO the “Sargent” is nothing but a troll, and best ignored. Click my name for more info.
Can someone on this thread debunk this Washington Post article…please. It’s saying how efficient the Canadian medical system is etc….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html?referrer=facebook
Phantom: “What have we just been talking about for two days here Linda?”
I believe I made the point of too much demand and too few resources in my original post. My entry into this debate was essentially to counter those were claiming how much better the U.S. system is. My point was, sure it’s better if you have good coverage. The problem is that they don’t bother to serve a significant number of people. (Some disagreement about the actual number.) So I said I prefer the Candian system — even though you have to wait longer and suffer through the sharing of these limited reources. I have heard many people expressing satisfaction with their experience in the Canadian system. I also said I am o.k. with increased private services as long as they do not undermine the public system and make it worse. Anyway I only intended to comment on Canadian vs. U.S. — even though a general discussion around health care needs to go much further than this.
Re JM’s post about Olivia Chow’s mother being overlooked by the personnel of Toronto’s Central Community Care Access Centre, dontcha just love this paragraph from the TorStar article:
“Some problems date back to 1997, when the Conservative government asked home-care providers to compete for contracts, awarding them to the lowest bidders rather than traditional providers.”
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How long ago was that? TWELVE YEARS AGO?
Does the TorStar harken back to the Liberal years and their policies when blaming the CPC government for problems today? Never!
Then, right on cue, a few paragraphs later:
“Since the Liberals came to power in 2003, they have sought to upgrade home care.”
So, the Ontario Liberals have had six years to improve the system, and haven’t done a very good job, but let’s blame the Mike Harris government for the downslide in homecare.
The Toronto Star just doesn’t get it. Most of us aren’t buying their partisan, biased tripe, in more ways than one. (I won’t even take a Star when it’s offered for free.)
cconn — interesting stories and interesting idea re the health savings plan.
Here is a closer look at the question of who is not covered in the States:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-brad-wright/if-you-like-the-health-in_b_271060.html
If you don’t like the politics at Huffington Post skip it, but it is informative.
this is hard on doctors to stay in shift night and stay away from family and daily seeing sick peopel while those sick people made them money , but this is stress job they have daily too and they life in risk deal with so many patient too
how about we can help doctor better way of practice to order to ask more doctore take night shift job
how about we can have a hotel resident next to hosptital and allow thier family can visit father doctor and have tunnel the docotr wash and with new cloth and shoes enter to family resident and link with family and if no patient is night they can sleep or watch tv and other facilty I mean made some facilty of meeting room with other dotocr they can encourge with better environemtn and more money to stay in emergency room
the problems is in emergency it means some one need immidet care and doctor is not there
then they need to help them over this now.
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think both way of help doctor to do better job and help patient to have better care
is solution and
must doctor act faster to see patient they are walk like turtul so slow from one room to other room
not too fast not too slow
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cconn — interesting stories and interesting idea re the health savings plan.
Here is a closer look at the question of who is not covered in the States:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-brad-wright/if-you-like-the-health-in_b_271060.html
If you don’t like the politics at Huffington Post skip it, but it is informative.
Linda, the problem you’re having is that you’ve been LIED TO about our system and the American system your entire life.
Nobody in the USA who shows up at a hospital gets turned away. Ever. Its illegal.
Gord Tulk — your proposals are unusual, but quite interesting. Another approach (done in New Zealand a number of years ago) was to have health services compete for government dollars. This resulted in some innovative approaches like some sort of mobile operating room for knee surgury (or something common along those lines). I do think it would be a good idea to look at ways that hospitals can be made more competitive and hopefully more efficient. I am wondering (but also worried) about whether or not something like this is happening with the new Ontario Regional Health Councils.
No Phantom — I have not been lied to. I lived in the U.S. for 20+ years, so I pretty much know the system. Yes, I know they offer emergency care at public hospitals so people don’t die in the streets — but don’t expect to get proper medical care unless you have health insurance coverage. I also am aware of Medicare and Medicaid. You should check out the Huntington Post article.
Lindal
it’s huffington not huntington You should read up on the politvcs and financial basis of that site. Basically any reportage coming out of that site should be treated as propaganda not information.
Yes, the spectrum of quality of care is wider in the us than in Canada and that needs to be addressed, but the quality of care that is delivered to the vast majority of Americans is far higher than ANY canadians is unless they are wealthy enough to go to the US when they need to.
The system in the us is innovative too. Name five significant medical advances to come out of canada since healthcare was taken over by government. Without US innovation there would be no MRI or PET scanner gap in Canada because they wouldn’t have been developed if the US had a system like ours. And the world would be a great deAl more miserable if they had and it will suffer if it gets such a system in the future.
Gord Tulk — Yes I know it is Huffinton Post — that was a mental lapse — and in my original reference to the article there (see above post) I did say if people don’t like the politics there don’t check out the article. I found it interesting as it related to the question of who is covered and who is not. It’s good information and worth thinking about.
I have already acknowledged that the system (for some — even many) is better in the U.S. For others it is not. My main point is that there are problems with both systems. I happen to support the Canadian system for its universal coverage.
LindaL
as the original post depicts universal misery is more and more the situation. The point is that the Canadian system is in a chronic state of collapse. The situation is not static. The US has a more stable system and be improved greatly with surprisingly little change – tort reform, removal of interstate barriers to insurance provision, removal of illegals and making individual insurance premiums deductible.
The US system is not THE answer. What I have summarized above would provide universality, and introduce accountability on both providers and consumers in a system the allows market forces to wring out inefficiences, introduce innovations and improve quality of care delivery to all parts of the country.
The status quo is not an option. More government control only accelerates the decline.
Posted by: not stirred enough said at at August 27, 2009 2:34 PM
Penetrating argument by the brain-dead left: “If you don’t like it, get your healthcare in the US”.
Brilliant.
Actually, it’s not far off the mark, is it? Lots of canadians do just that; the list of americans shlepping north for their healthcare services is noticeably shorter than its canuck counterpart, however.
Because there is no way that our system, “the best healthcare system in the world”, could ever want for improvement, eh? As kathy shaidle noted, it’s a great system: as long as you don’t get sick. Here’s a better idea for NSE: why don’t YOU and your lot move to cuba, where you can enjoy the wonders of communist-applied socialized medicine, with your government-lavished TLC provided under palm trees and memorable sunsets? Nobody will miss you except for a few brain-dead marxists.
Look. We could descend into the banalities of economics; you know, noting in passing that when healthcare (or anything else) is “free”, this raises demand to unserviceable levels and leads to… shortages, and rationing. But that would simply go over the heads of leftoid drones like NSE. Why bother? They are impervious to learning anything, or crowing anything but socialist boilerplate.
Ditto phillboy, or other trolls who don’t recognize that the further you entrench centralized bureaucracy, the less effect you have on end-user services. To wit, putting the federal government “in charge” of healthcare is self-defeating, as they are even less removed from the system than the hapless provincial governments. Create more layers of red tape, a Superministry of Federal Healthcare, if you like; it’ll only cost $billions more and make zero difference to people who get sick.
More government isn’t the solution to the problem when government is the problem. Cut spending on non-treatment care (drastically reduce the number of high-paid bureaucrats who can’t issue so much as an aspirin), contract out hospital services to the private sector to rid us of closed union shop mentalities and performance, allow private competition to supplement the public system, institute minimum fees for emergency room walk-ins… there are plenty of things to start to reduce wasteful spending and improve service levels.
The fact that canucks believe it’s the government’s job to take care of them is a pitiful commentary at how this country has become enfeebled by the nanny state.
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
Full disclosure: I sell insurance with the primary purpose of paying for procedures in the US aka critical illness insurance. I also sell access to US physician consultaipn and counselling – aka Best Doctors. I have about 300 of the former covered and 3000 with the latter. Business is getting busier every day.
mhb23re: “The fact that canucks believe it’s the government’s job to take care of them is a pitiful commentary at how this country has become enfeebled by the nanny state.”
Great comments all around, mhb23.
But, what is it that has enfeebled us, that has disabled Canadians’ common sense? What is it that has weakened our defences? As we’ve been assailed by a G*dless secular humanism for over 40 years in Canada, we’ve fallen from the watchtowers like drunken soldiers. Why is that?
If we refuse to diagnose the core reasons why a once-strong, self-reliant nation has been reduced to sucking the teat of the nanny state, we’ll never find a viable solution to the mess we’re in now. If the doctor misdiagnoses a fatal illness, the patient grows sicker and eventually dies.
There’s a lot more to this equation than dollars and cents and what health care services are — or are not — available. What creates a civil life of shared values of self-reliance, personal responsibility and accountability with which to move forward?
“Without a vision, the people perish.”
We’ve lost a common vision in Canada, and are in dire need of reclaiming one. Without that, there is no viable solution — at least not one that most Canadians would agree upon or pitch in to help with.
mhb23re: “The fact that canucks believe it’s the government’s job to take care of them is a pitiful commentary at how this country has become enfeebled by the nanny state.”
Great comments all around, mhb23.
But, what is it that has enfeebled us, that has disabled Canadians’ common sense? What is it that has weakened our defences? As we’ve been assailed by a G*dless secular humanism for over 40 years in Canada, we’ve fallen from the watchtowers like drunken soldiers. Why is that?
If we refuse to diagnose the core reasons why a once-strong, self-reliant nation has been reduced to sucking the teat of the nanny state, we’ll never find a viable solution to the mess we’re in now. If the doctor misdiagnoses a fatal illness, the patient grows sicker and eventually dies.
There’s a lot more to this equation than dollars and cents and what health care services are — or are not — available. What creates a civil life of shared values of self-reliance, personal responsibility and accountability with which to move forward?
“Without a vision, the people perish.”
We’ve lost a common vision in Canada, and are in dire need of reclaiming one. Without that, there is no viable solution — at least not one that most Canadians would agree upon or pitch in to help with.
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