… of the Canadian Medical Association says the health-care system is imploding and doctors have to develop a plan to cure it.
Dr. Anne Doig says the care being provided to patients right now is less than optimal.
Doig says doctors, who are gathering in Saskatoon for their annual meeting, recognize that changes must be made.
The pitch for change starts today with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the association’s outgoing president.
He has called for a patient-centred system.
More from the National Post.
Dr. Doig will be a guest on John Gormley Live this morning, scheduled for 8:30 Saskatchewan time (10:30 Eastern). You can listen live at the link.
Change to the Canadian Medical System? Not if the Nurses Union has anything to say about it.
The Canadian health care system has been imploding for 30 years and yet the actual implossion has never taken place.
I wish those to the right of the bench would just move over to the right a little bit more and just fall off the damn thing. Your club of exclusivity is just a figament of your rightard imagination.
And don’t forget, I know MUCH MORE than any medical doctor so I AM the authority on this issue. I’ve read Alinsky and Marx and the Toronto Star. So, so, ….why don’t you all just, just SHUT UP.
Heard something interesting this morning. A specialist with waiting times of about six months changed the way he sees patients and his referral system independently. His waiting time dropped to about six weeks. In other words he got a whole lot more efficient.
Shaken if I fall off the bench I would land on a leftie with his hand out.
….been imploding for 30 years and yet the actual implossion has never taken place…
Nor will it, the gov’t will always ensure that there is just enough public funds (taxed/borrowed/printed) available to maintain a balance between minimal services and sufficiently pi#$ed off public (that might vote them out).
Plus, with the many tiers of public health care in Canada, it is not hard to provide supportive voter groups with better services at the cost of the lower tiers.
The hypocrisy of socialism in Canada (well, pretty much everywhere) is its defining trademark.
But, this point is lost on socialists.
PS – I don’t spend my time bench sitting, kinda prefer to get off my ass and actually get something done. This point too is lost on socialists.
We already have a patient-centered system. Those who are patient enough will eventually find a primary care physician. Those who are patient enough might actually get the diagnostic tests they need before they expire. Those patient enough to wait for their surgery might actually become capable productive resources again. Yes, we have a system centered for the patient.
Meanwhile, how are those health-ministry fully indexed civil service pensions? Any success with their rampant obesity? Any cures for the bureaucratic bloating?
There is no counterpressure on government bureaucracies – an analog to competitive pressure in private industry.
To think that any bureaucratic panel can find a solution to bureaucratic inefficiency is beyond ironic.
Competition – like garlic to lefties – must be avoided at all costs.
I have always said the first and highest priority of any bureaucracy is expansion. All else is secondary.
Thus, like shaken, I agree that there is no way, ever, ever, ever that a bureaucracy will work towards its own diminishment, let alone abolishment.
I agree with ‘Frenchie77’ and ‘shaken’ posts. It is the bureaucracy that is killing the system. When they rent buildings for office space, because they ran out of office space in hospital ‘it is a problem’.
When has anybody heard of a cut in the bureaucracy system.
Let’s not forget the $600,00 in carbon credits the Fraser Valley Health Authority tranferred to another bureaucracy.
A month later came the inevitable announcement of cuts in surgeries, senior citizen and mental health programs.
Once again, Gaia trumps humanity!
….been imploding for 30 years and yet the actual implossion has never taken place…
If the entire system imploded, do you think the MSM would tell us?
The truth is the implosion does take place, every day, one patient at a time.
The bureaucracy will still endure, even if all the patients are dead.
That must be another one of those right-wing neo-con lies about the healthcare that Layton is talking about.
Nothing will come of it. To many bureaucrats have built too many empires to let some uppity doctor ruin things for them.
Yes NSE,
Our system is so great and far from imploding we send our sick people to the US to get treated.
http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/&template=fullarticle
At least until the obamination wrecks the US system as bad as ours.
The one moral of this story is that if you take the US system, add the Canadian system, and stir, you get the European system you worthless leftards refuse to talk about.
Canadians have great access to healtcare waiting lists, to bad we thought we where paying for healthcare.
I have still never seen a good argument against why I’m not aloud to spend my own money on my own healthcare. If a health region is out of money due to carbon taxing and the operating room is sitting empty one afternoon, why can’t I pony up the 20 grand and have my knees done? Sure I may be skipping ahead in line but my skipping got the line moving when it was standing still.
Waiting in a line (or on a list) that isn’t moving isn’t “fairness” its just plain stupid.
Or say my family doctor only sees 50 people a day, why can’t I pay him an extra $ to have him work a little OT for me? I’m not line jumping, as again the line stopped moving @ 4:30pm.
The CMA is nothing more than a mouthpiece for private doctors ongoing campaign to manipulate the end of OHIP ..conveniently freeing them up to make TONS of money off of sick people…all while wrapping themselves in the Canadian flag and claiming to be out for the best interests of Canadians.
HOGWASH!
The present system isn’t perfect but MUCH preferable to being bankrupted if you get seriously sick by this greedy group!
The retarded Leftist not stirred enough said at, said: “The Canadian health care system has been imploding for 30 years and yet the actual implossion has never taken place.”
Ok ducky. Setting aside the fact you can’t even spell “implosion”, please explain to us all how your statement can be plausible in the same universe where the head of the Canadian Medical Association says “We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize…”
She -might- know something you don’t, eh?
Question is stirred, you friggin’ mindless dork, how bad do you want to let it get? Dumping Grandma on the sidewalk in a snowbank because she’s taking up too much space? They do that in some places. You want to live in one of them?
Seems like the end of summer, trolls are in full bloom.
What the health care ‘debate’ needs and will NEVER get is a fully public debate on what type of RATIONING is going to take place. What will be covered and what will not. And why.
Because some form of cost-control is going to occur no matter whether the system is public or private. The absolutely worst form of this control is what we are now getting. Ad hoc, non-planned, and non-responsible.
No matter who ‘wins’ the political arguments, the facts on the ground will still determine events. And those ‘facts’ are pretty clear both here and in our neighbour to the South.
Too many demands —– too little cash.
Remember Ontario’s “common sense revolution?
The LIBRANOs screamed because according to them “Harris et al” closed hospital beds…..
Here locally the Health Ministry vetoes that move and 3 of the 4 vice-presidents were dismissed (with their staffs) and they were not missed.
The LIBRANOs styled this as making war on civil servants and school teachers.
Thanks to McSquinty a there are now 4 vice-presidents again and he is taking credit for the new hospital being built with locally raised funds. The new building was necessary because the OBGYN, etc. couldn’t be crowded anymore and more office space was needed. It was deemed not practical to use the long vacant 4th floor…the paper pushers must get altitude sickness……
It is indeed imploding. As a specialist who trained in the 70’s the deterioration is astounding!Neither provincial nor federal governments have planned or funded the massive increase in procedures diagnostic needs aging population and never will. The canadian system tells everyone they can have everything for free but they know they cannot provide it.Now I am retiring early to worry about my own health care.
“Change to the Canadian Medical System? Not if the Nurses Union has anything to say about it.”
Sad, but probably true. Whatever happened to the days when employees did as they were instructed so long as their safety wasn’t compromised? When did the unions start calling the shots? When did the inmates start running the asylum?
so, we have had this ongoing conversation since, ummm, 1967 was it?
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Saskatchewan’s health care costs have grown from 2 to 3 billion in the last 6 years. The boomers are just going to make it worse.
Reform is needed more than more money.
I don’t trust the rhetoric from any union. The CMA wants the solution to best line their pockets, not to best serve Canadians. They’re just CUPE wearing white coats.
“Change to the Canadian Medical System? Not if the Nurses Union has anything to say about it.”
That statement may mean that the Nurses want the status Quo RE: OVERTIME… Does the system discourage additional Nurses? Planned overtime can (>)double Cost
Easy to FIX “Management for Dummies”
Simple to fix …. let people chose who they see and pay as they go.
Then fund the public system only as required by demand.
Sit back and watch things correct themselves.
Of course the usual suspects will by frothing at the mouth … as usual.
From above: (duffman)
How’s this for overtime?
Proposal would pay some Alberta doctors up to $518 an hour to treat swine flu
Health care should be the responsibility of each individual citizen. Doctors are not ‘special’, they are just people with an interest in healing ailing bodies. The citizens of Canada have been conned into thinking that they, as individuals, are not responsible for the maintenance of their own selves; they maintain their cars and houses but not their own bodies! The “health care” fairy tale weaves a web of lies to people who never address the FACT that someday they will die. Modern medicine will save them from the grim reaper for X number of years – PERIOD. No drugs or radical surgery will maintain a worn out or inferior vehicle – only maintenance and care will keep the body running for it’s limited time. Doctors and hospitals are useful only for those who view them as temporary ‘help’ to cure an isolated catastrophe. Institutions are not designed to be preventive, only individuals can prevent putrification of their own bodies.
Brrr, the CMA is ‘waaaay behind its members on this issue. Like, 20 years behind. You just got the sugar coated, politically correct version from Dr. Doig. The real deal is they are going to be cutting your Grandma loose.
Doctors make lots of money under Single Payer, but they also see the thing coming apart like a kleenex in the washing machine. It can’t survive. There needs to be a private option to take up the strain in the system.
That’s what the role of the USA has been traditionally. You can’t get a hip replacement done in less than two years here, you go to the States. We may not have that option pretty soon. That’s when the cracks are going finally open, and the system will crash and burn.
Do you WANT to see sick old people lying on the sidewalk? Because you’re going to, without a private pay option. That’s just the truth of it. The public system is going to refuse treatment to them. They have to, there’s no money.
Dougie, you can stop lining the pockets of those oh so greedy docs by not using their services. Ever. That’ll learn ’em.