Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio. Tonight, for your delectation and pursuant to our ongoing examination of this matter, here are Aldar Tamdyn, Igor Koshkendey, and Mongun-ool Ondar, the master Tuvan throat singers known as Chirgilchin, performing Khoomeige Yoreel ¤ at the Rubin Museum of Art, in New York, in 2005 (5:10).
Your Reader Tips are, as always, welcome in the comments.
I always knew the Toronto elite had no sense of humour! A beer ad has offended a few…boo hoo!
I think it’s hillarious and about time!
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090818/coors_ad_090818/20090818?hub=Toronto
Prime Minister Harper’s now sticking up for the seal hunters:
“Harper attacks seal hunt critics”
Why do you believe CTV and CBC?
One for the UK NHS watch:
“Woman gives birth on pavement ‘after being refused ambulance’”
Oh, and the Daily Mail. Lovely.
Rather than a beer ad, you’d think that this item would be upsetting my fellow Torontonians:
“Shot fired at Coxwell subway station”
Blogosphere: where the main-stream media is wrong
except when you quote them to argue your case.
@Vitruvius:
That’s where you find ’em. Why would the Times of London cause a ruckus in the stockbrokers’ belt?
Yes, I admit that I’m being difficult,
Daniel, yet surely you see the point?
Not quite.
It’s always a good day for Tuvan throat singers. Thanks for that, Vitruvius. I met these gentlemen one year when they were touring. I was interested to learn that they live and train together like the Kodo drummers as part of their religious practice. A friend had been conscripted to be their translator, and he learned that their evil Russian manager was ripping them off and not paying them so they were selling some extra curly-toed boots and costumes and small artworks that they’d secretly brought with them, apparently as insurance against such an eventuality. He agreed to act as a broker and find some buyers, and I was able to acquire a pair of boots and a stone carving of a Mongol archer. Of course, maybe there was no evil Russian manager at all, and the Tuvans just put that story out to exploit the sympathies of Folk Fest types and ensure sales. They do have a deliciously perverse sense of humour.
Aye, I did notice the chuckle at 2:45 in the video, Exetaz 😉
From the Guardian a couple of weeks ago:
“Venezuela has revoked the licences of dozens of radio stations as part of a wider crackdown which could jail people deemed guilty of “media crimes” for up to four years.
“At least 13 stations went off the air over the weekend and another 21 were expected to follow soon in an effort by President Hugo Chávez to extend his socialist revolution.
“The government’s telecommunications agency said it would revoke the licences of up to 240 radio stations, almost 40% of the total, citing irregular paperwork. It said the closures were lawful and that most radio stations remained in private hands.
“Chávez applauded the decision and said the licences would be ‘given back to the people’ in the form of broadcasters who shared his leftist vision.
Here’s what Judy Rebick, the CAW-Sam Gindin Chair in Social Justice and Democracy at Ryerson University in Toronto, thinks:
“I am not crazy about Chavez cadillio style of leadership but Venezuela is a lot more democratic than Canada. … As you will read in Transforming Power, we should be studying Venezuela to see how we can deepen our democracy but instead in a throw back to the cold war, our media paints Chavez as a autocratic and a right-wing populist manipulating the people.”
Re: Coors ad
had it said “as cold as Edmonton/Regina/Winnipeg” they no doubt would have had to pull it.
Interesting that “goin to Winnipeg” has survived and has since been embraced by that city.
Daniel – Coxwell subway station is my station. Wasn’t there today tho. Maybe time to invest in some kevlar…
Vitruvius: It is very cool to think that the native Inuit/Eskimo here in Canada have a direct cultural link to northern Mongolia.
Linking to Youtube is beyond my powers, but is there any chance of some (patriotic) Inuit throat singing, for purposes of comparison?
Daniel M. Ryan – I believe that Vitruvius is saying that, if we will keep insisting, or Kate keeps insisting, that the dinosaur is dead, then decently we should knock off quoting him/it.
I think that direct cultural link is perhaps a bit too strong, Black Mamba, in this case. Yet, clearly, various aspects of overtone singing do appear to exist across multiple apparently independent cultures, which is what leads me into thinking that the effect may be a pre-cultural phenomenon.
I love the conspiracy theory.
…from excerpts from PAWNS IN THE GAME by William Guy Carr (1895-1959):
[Some of this is paraphrased].
In 1770, the money lenders (who had recently organized the House of Rothschild) retained Adam Weishaupt, a jesuit-trained professor of canon law who defected from Christianity and embraced the Luciferian ideology, to revise and modernize the protocol for ultimate world domination.
Weishaupt’s plan:
1)Abolition of ALL ordered governments.
2)Abolition of inheritance.
3)Abolition of private property.
4)Abolition of patriotism.
5)Abolition of the individual home and family life as the cell from which all civilizations have stemmed.
6)Abolition of ALL religions established and existing so that the Luciferian ideology of totalitarianism may be imposed on mankind.
The headquarters of the conspiracy in the late 1700s was in Frankfurt, Germany, then later, Switzerland. Since World War Two, the headquarters have been in the Harold Pratt Building New York. The Rockefellers have replaced the Rothschilds as far as the manipulation of finances is concerned.
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So, how’s the plan working so far?
@Black Mamba:
I picked that up in the abstract, but I didn’t quite see how it applied to me. Had the blogosphere been more organizied, and had I been in it as a political blogger, I would have been pegged as the one who’s squishy on the MSM question.
Now, that’s a neat statement – The Fight Against Feignd Outrage. Heh. Very nice.
vitruvius – really, there’s no such thing as ‘pre-cultural’.
I think a more accurate term could be a ‘common’ or ‘universal’ human phenomenon that emerges on its own, in several cultures. That’s what happened with writing and record keeping; it emerged, on its own, in large agricultural populations – none of which were in contact with each other: China, Egypt, Inca, Aztec, Mayan. All were what is known as ‘irrigation’ agricultures.
Vitruvius – I wonder. The Xhosa excepted, all the peoples cited in the link are asiatic (including, probably, at some remove, the Scandinavian Sami). The connection between the Inuit/Eskino and certain Siberian tribes isn’t disputed. Siberia’s not so far from Mongolia (well, it is, but those Mongols got around…)
Without cracking out my old anthro textbooks, I suspect it’s an archaic Asian thing.
Mamba, Vitruvius, Daniel: The complaint many posters at SDA, and many people in general, have with the MSM has primarily to do with their editorializing of news coverage — Wafergate, for example. Personally, fwiw, I think it’s important that people do so.
A person who criticizes the MSM is not a hypocrite by virtue of either quoting factual information — “X has been assassinated” or “a massive earthquake struck Rome” –conveyed by a newspaper or wire service, or for posting or linking to specific examples of editorializing propaganda disguised as news.
To make that accusation is like saying that, if you don’t like politician X, you’re a hypocrite to notice or link to anything he says, or to any of his policy proposals. It just doesn’t follow.
In the simplest terms, no one’s saying the media’s *wrong* when they report the news.
Not exactly two steppin music but very interesting
Yes, well, yet it seems to me, ET and Black Mamba, to be broadly related to the whole category of circular breathing (even though I know it’s not quite the same thing), and this leads me to conjecture that the phenomenon is, indeed, pre-hominid. But, if you watch the way Aldar Tamdyn, Igor Koshkendey, and Mongun-ool Ondar keep time by tapping their foot (heel or toe), that I think is pretty hominid. Even woodpeckers don’t tap their feet, and woodpeckers have rhythm, baby.
Thanks EBD.
Vit…of course I check CTV once in awhile. Doesn’t mean I ‘believe’ everything they spead.
C’mon…’fess up…did you laugh at the Trawnna-COTU story?
And Daniel made an excellent point.
I wish woodpeckers had rhythm, Vitruvius. They don’t – I think that’s why my neighbour shoots them.
This particular Medium Sulphur-Crested Eleanora Cockatoo, on the other hand, is clearly a slave to the rhythm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7IZmRnAo6s
is this a variation on the old ponzi scheme or something? what in gawds name (no pun intended) drives people to such desperate courses of action?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/us/16gospel.html?_r=2&hp
ZOMG!! Archie’s going to marry Veronica?! Oh, the humanity!
And, on a completely unrelated note, I emptied my pockets tonight, and saw a peculiar looking loonie, which, upon closer inspection, turned out to be an American “Sacawagea” dollar. Has this happened to anyone else?
Actually curious_george these people are not ‘driven’, some believe that this is ‘God’s will’ but most are simply greedy and lazy. The scam has been going since the late 1950’s early 1960’s. I have had several people try to get me involved over the years and amazingly enough every one of them went bankrupt or nearly bankrupt depending on how closely they followed this perverted false gospel.
No, KevinB, you’re the only one, because everyone else fishes out Sacagawea dollars
Hoping that “Your Reader Tips are, as always, welcome in the comments,” Vesuvius.
NSH vs. US health care. Lessons?
curious_george, wow that is sad. I prefer to listen to Dr. RC Sproul – very intelligent man-listened to a good lecture of his on Sophism and another on Language and Logic the other day. No prosperity preaching or conspiracy theories.
Circular breathing, Vesuvius?
Rafael Mendez.
Anybody who saw him in person, as I did, would think, as others did of Paganini, that he’d sold his soul to the devil to play like that.
Thanks Vitruvius – reminds me of one of my heroes, Richard Feynman, and his pursuit of a trip to Tuva shortly before his death – he was inspired by this singing I believe
Judy Rebick? por favor!
I looked EBD. I was in Venezuela for the 4 weeks preceding and the one week after Hugo’s most recent election win. Certainly no one in Venezuela and very few people outside of the country would consider Hugo to be a “right wing populist” That Judy Rebick is painting Hugo to be of the right wing, may indicate her frustration that Hugo is losing the war of hearts amongst the media set. He is having difficulty, so he must be of the right wing.
and really, “right or left wing” doesn’t describe him well, but fascist does.
http://devilsexcrement.com/ showing today how the media (regardless of political stripe) will be attacked if it opposes Hugo.
If Chavez keeps going the way he’s going, it won’t be long until his people give him the Ceaucescu treatment.
As for Judy Rebick, she’s an unreconstituted buffoon with a loud mouth and an empty head, dating back to before her NACSW days. At least we know where she stands.
Incidentally, I suspect someone (not necessarily Rebick) misspelled “caudillo” as “cadillio” in that article …
Nv53, he’s got to get the ball rolling for a couple/three decades before he gets the Ceaucescu treatment.
Marc, you’re entirely right about Rebick. When she says Chavez is maligned by the media because he’s right wing she is either saying that a right-wing media — a description she persistently tries to tattoo on public discourse — is maligning Chavez because he’s right-wing — which makes no sense — or she’s saying that the media is further left that Chavez and therefore despises him for being right-wing.
Either way, all bets are off. But of course, this is the same woman who says “We should be studying Venezuela to see how we can deepen our democracy.”
Rebick also says “Venezuela is a lot more democratic than Canada.” How so? In what manner, exactly, is Canada less democratic than Venezuela? Do we have widespread voter intimidation here? Do government sponsored thugs barge into television and radio stations and close them down on the grounds that they have a different political view?
Clearly not, but alas, Rebick is of that ilk who have different rules for themselves than they have for everyone else (what an utter shock, after the last century) — and, rather than admitting that they engage in shameless sophistry and evasion — it’s an entitlement because
they’re the ones who’ve thought us all through the corporeal realm, eh? — they excuse themselves.
They need to be called on it. If George Bush and/or supportive conservative “groups” forcefully closed numerous television and radio stations, and introduced a draft of legislation “to jail journalists and broadcasters who ‘harm the interests of the state’ and…’disturb social peace'” we know *exactly* what Judy Rebick’s pronouncements would be. Compellingly, when the guy doing the dirty is some prancing *leftist* thug like Chavez — a guy who made menacing, rape-ish, come-hither comments to “Condie” (Condoleezza Rice) at a UN podium, and who silences dissent in his country in ways we’ve never dreamed of in Canada — you can always count on Rebick’s ilk, — invariably g-funded, in some roundabout way, in the name of our enlightenment — to say things like “Venezuela is a lot more democratic than Canada.”
Yep. In the same way that no one considers Chavez a “joke,” conservatives/libertarians are probably making a (cultural) mistake if they deem people like Rebick a joke. If they are a joke, then opponents like Rebick – and Chavez – should be given no quarter in any public debate.
There are always going to be those polite souls on the right who’ll suggest, for example, that Ezra Levant is too “mean,” but these people are — functionally speaking — low-level useful idiots for the opposition.
Btw, when I suggest that Rebick’s ilk should be given no quarter in any public debate, I’m excepting the CBC from the equation. They are doing Canada a real service by giving Rebick air time, at taxpayer expense, in which she may advocate for causes related to “social justice.”
This is completely non-scientific, but to me, Judy Rebick is another in a long line of ugly feminists. I think the near total rejection she received from men as a young woman (I can’t imagine any man not seriously under the influence of drink being attracted to this harridan) shaped her world view, although she is probably not consciously aware of it. Betty Friedan, Angela Dworkin, Maude Barlow, Ursula Franklin – not one of them could provoke a response from this male, regardless of the number of little blue pills I’d consumed. (Gloria Steinem is the exception that proves the rule). It’s no surprise to me that virtually all self-professed feminists are also leftists; they want power to punish the men who rejected them.
On the other hand, the woman I consider the most accomplished feminist in my time, Margaret Thatcher, was an attractive young woman. She may have excoriated the “wets”, but she was equal opportunity about it – she denounced men and women equally. She never exhibited an abiding anger towards men, the way Rebick and her ilk do.
Goreacle Report: Ice worms jubilating/mating/procreating.
Ban “icon”. Ban “extinction”. Ban “experts say”.
>>> “Experts say the summer sea ice has lasted longer than it has in years,”.
The clincher: “While experts say this summer is an anomaly”.
“Gunter also pointed out that there is still some ice on Hudson Bay. Usually, it’s long gone by now.”
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“Cold summer means healthier polar bears
WINNIPEG — A cold summer in many areas of the country may have meant fewer barbecues and camping trips this year, but lower temperatures have been a boon for the beleaguered Hudson Bay polar bears.
Experts say the summer sea ice has lasted longer than it has in years, which has given the region’s more than 1,000 bears extra time to hunt, feed and raise healthy cubs.
One scout captured a picture of a mother with three strapping youngsters — a rare sight that has heartened those who are fighting what they say is the probable extinction of the iconic mammal.”
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/2009/08/18/10502166-cp.html
Black Mamba: “I believe that Vitruvius is saying that, if we will keep insisting, or Kate keeps insisting, that the dinosaur is dead, then decently we should knock off quoting him/it.”
Well, I suppose we could all live in a bubble.
Citing “news” or ads in our MSM to comment on is fair game, IMHO. After all, that’s what Kate herself does. So, what’s good for the gander is, surely, OK for the rest of us geese … no? yes?
Apparently, Frank Sinatra learned circular breathing from watching Tommy Dorsey.
Well into Ian Plimer’s book Heaven and Earth on global warming, the missing science. He covers in great detail the whole span of earth’s history and its incredibly complex and ever-changing elements that influence this thing we call climate. As anyone with any sense quickly realizes the sun is the major driver of climate, which is ignored by the Suzukis’ and Gores’.
The climate rhythm of the sun’s 11, 22 and a myriad of other yearly cycles as it’s sunspots waxes and wans, earth wobbles, solar system cycles, galaxy cycles over millions of years all drive the planet and its life forms.
As Plimer states time and again the science is never settled on anything. This book drives home the absolute arrogance of those who claim CO2 is the climate linchpin and the ignorance of those who believe them. Even during ice ages CO2 can be 10 – 100 or more times higher than today.
Global warming as in the Medieval Warming or the later part of the 20th century leads to human prosperity, growth, health and good times while global cooling as in the Little Ice Age leads to drastic reduction in humans, animals and plant life and hard times.
A book well worth reading as politicians pick our pockets based on a lie but that little fact never stopped them before as we see McSquinty with his coming hydro rates of 12% hikes to pay for his wind farms.
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Peel Regional Police | Media Relations
O’CensOr.
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“Flickr Removes Obama-as-Joker Photo
It’s rarely a good PR move when a social Web site decides to remove a politically-charged image–the InterWebs get angry. One such case came to light today: A Photoshop mockup of President Obama as the Joker from The Dark Knight, superimposed on the cover of Time magazine, has been removed from Flickr. The 20-year-old Chicagoan who made the photo got an email from Flickr, which is owned by Yahoo!, saying the it had been removed due to copyright concerns. Plenty of tech pundits are saying Flickr was strong-armed by Time, Inc., which didn’t like its brand associated with something so subversive. Others are saying that Flickr removed the image voluntarily because it was the subject of too much public controversy: the image has been mocked up into a poster by an anonymous third-party and plastered around Los Angeles. Pretty much everyone agrees, however, that the issue isn’t copyright. (Below, the derivative poster.)”
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/news-forum/index
Goreacle Report: Fiona is ice trapped.
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“Rescue Me! Another polar expedition trapped in ice
19 08 2009
Gosh, this is becoming a theme. Intrepid sailors/hikers/tourists/scientists/ecologists head for the Arctic with intent to show the world how the Arctic is melting, get stuck in/on the ice, or hopelessly battered, and end up needing rescue by those evil fossil fuel belching rescue ships, helicopters, and planes.
“Our latest episode: Yatch Fiona
Last night, 16 Aug, we got hopelessly trapped by the ice. Despite a favorable ice report we encountered 8/10ths ice, with many old, i.e. large, bergs. We spent the night tied to one of them but had to leave this morning when another ‘berg collided with us and tipped Fiona over. We got away but the space around us is shrinking. I called the Canadian Coast Guard at noon and they are sending an icebreaker, due here tomorrow. We are NOT in immediate danger.
I hate it when that happens.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
batb @7:45 – Oh, I agree. What EBD said @10:54.
I was just playing the oracle to Vitruvius’ Apollo – you know, taking it upon myself to channel what I assumed to be his thoughts without necessarily clarifying them in any way.
It gives me an excuse for being high on ethylene fumes 🙂
From Toronto’s Metro:
“Educators mull removal of To Kill A Mockingbird”.
The novel has been in the news because one school banned the book due to a parent’s complaints about the language.
The Metro’s suggested replacements? Books that feature “terror and violence” under the Idi Amin regime and a 12-year old whose “hands are cut off in a rebel attack in Sierra Leone”.
http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/local/article/286480–educators-mull-removal-of-to-kill-a-mockingbird
via drudge: Attorney: FBI trained NJ blogger to incite others
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A5GCC80&show_article=1
The thing is, BATB and Black Mamba, that I’ve been considering an interesting problem, and I’ve been batting it about a bit here and with others, and that problem is as follows. Y’all have convinced me that great swaths of the media simply can’t be trusted. Certainly, for example, it is generally acknowledged ’round these parts that the CBC is outright lying more often than not. How, then, can we continue to use reports from said media in order to bolster our arguments ~ don’t our arguments then become themselves untrustworthy? And before anyone jumps on me, I admit: I do it too. It’s just a matter that I’ve been giving some consideration to and that I’m interested in exploring in terms of how others mitigate the potential conflicts.
Simple! We all just read and believe and quote sources that confirm our preconceptions!
Wait…. that renders blogs like this not-so-useful for well-considered reasoning and deliberation…
SO much more balanced than the MSM’s treatment of issues!