In an article published last Saturday in the WSJ.com, Paul Starobin suggests that America, as a direct reaction to an ever-growing and more powerful central government, may edge towards being “an assembly of largely autonomous regional republics.” Starobin sees the unmistakable growth of secessionist sentiment in Texas, Alaska and elsewhere, and notes:
… history seems to be driving one nail after another into the coffin of the big, which is why the Obama planners and their ilk, even if they now ride high, may be doomed to fail. No one anymore expects the best ideas to come from the biggest actors in the economy, so should anyone expect the best thinking to be done by the whales of the political world?
American Thinker’s George Joyce, in a review of Starobin’s piece, writes “A failed presidency for Barack Obama could turn into liberalism’s worst nightmare. Barely six months into his term, the 44th president has succeeded in generating the most widespread and serious discussion of secession since the Civil War. Despite what Newsweek’s Evan Thomas may claim, Obama is not the ‘God’ who will bring us together but the autocratic sponsor of an overbearing, oppressive leviathan from which a growing number of Americans are seeking refuge.
Wouldn’t a new American devolution…be a liberal’s worst nightmare? Beyond the psychosis most liberals would have to endure at the thought of losing any kind of control, the prospect of vibrant, happy, and successful conservative republics in places like Texas, South Carolina or Utah would be an inescapable spotlight forever exposing the failure of liberal ideology…
In light of America’s consistent historic reaction to any attempt to impose control from a distance, some form of major push-back against Obama’s preening emperor-act seems almost inevitable. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
Both pieces are well worth reading.
Wouldn’t a new American devolution…be a liberal’s worst nightmare?
No.
It would be a Liberal’s, especially Obama’s, fervent prayer.
This isn’t an accident or incompetence, it’s been his goal from the beginning.
Zero isn’t even an American.
Now an American devolution would be a Republican’s nightmare because, after all, what is a Republican without a Republic?
The history of IBM is an interesting one. For many decades it was by far the biggest computer company in the world – practically a monopoly. One striking fact, however, is that IBM produced relatively few innovative ideas. They kept ahead by sound engineering and top-notch business practices. Perhaps their button-down, professional attitude was not conducive to radical thinking. Perhaps forcing scientists to justify, in dollars and cents, their research prevented them from persuing the really stupid ideas that occasionally revolutionize things.
The marketplace eventually caught up to IBM. But the U.S. federal government is a legal monopoly, and thus far more worrisome.
Not at all, Oz. A devolution into “an assemblage of largely autonomous regional republics reflecting the eclectic economic and cultural character of the society,” as Starobin put it, *would* be Obama’s worst nightmare, politically speaking, because he’s a centralizing, top-down-control ideologue. And of course, a formal but somewhat loose assembly of diverse, locally-flavoured distinct regions is, by definition, more in line with Republicanism.
And of course, a formal but somewhat loose assembly of diverse, locally-flavoured distinct regions is more in line with Republicanism, by definition.
~EBD at June 18, 2009 7:01 PM
Sounds like a Confederation.
I think they tried that once, but they weren’t very good at making a unified war effort.
It’s seems that the Army of North Virginia had to do most of the fighting.
No, really EBD, I don’t think they’d do very well against, say, the NorKs threatening to shoot an ICBM at Hawaii.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8108313.stm
I think this is what ObeyMe had in mind, I don’t think it would be a nightmare at all.
In addition, this “loose assembly” wouldn’t be able to maintain troops in places like South Korea, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Macedonia, Cuba etc. because the politcal focus of the mission would be too difficult.
All in all, a Liberal’s wet dream. IMO
“I think this is what ObeyMe had in mind…”
He wants, and has aimed for, the emergence of independent, locally-autonomous regions that reject his centralized-government rule?
Ruling would be a short 3 1/2 years, permanently breaking up the Evil American Capitalist Empire and making it easier for International Communism to attains it goals would be a bigger payoff and give him a bigger chapter in the history books.
Utah
Montana
Idaho
Wyoming
Alberta
UMIWA!
Realistically, Oz, Obama *doesn’t* want to see his vision being rejected by independent-minded Americans in regional pockets — “it’s not rocket surgery”, as Don Cherry once said. Obama wants to rule, more than anything else, and he NEEDS his rule to be accepted if he’s going to accomplish the national objectives — in health-care, etc. — he’s aiming for. It’s impossible to see how a burgeoning movement wherein various regions of America refuse to play along him would be helpful for, or desired by, Obama.
Anyway, we seriously digress…
oz – I don’t get your point. I side with EBD in his analysis.
Breaking up a country from a centralist governance into self-governing entities actually strengthens the local people, and enables them to reject such top-down authoritarianism as communism.
Remember, power that rests with the people is the most powerful mode of governance.
And there’s no reason why such a localized governance can’t mount a collective war effort.
Obama’s rhetoric, his utopian imagery, has no relation to reality. People are beginning to recognize the enormous GAP between the two worlds; the fictional world that Obama lives in. And the real world that he rejects, that he knows nothing about, and it’s becoming clear that he will do anything to ensure that reality doesn’t enter his make-believe world.
Obama’s vapid words about ‘no partisanship’ etc, are pure sophistry. He operates by ‘divide and conquer’ tactics, by setting up groups against each other (eg the poor vs the wealthy; political parties, race) and by misinformation and emotional manipulation.
It looks like the United States is already fractured beyond repair. Both sides are ‘dug in’.
If they don’t agree to sperate from each other in some orderly fashion, it may come to a shooting civil war. More likely a guerilla style hit at run at each other JUST LIKE THEY DO IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE TYRANNY IS UPON THEM!
Frank Zappa covered it best on his first album where the song said “Who could imagine they would freak out in Kansas” then on to the generalized American thinking “It can’t happen here”.
He know is could and eventually would happen here.
I just hope it’s televised.
I don’t think it’s a digression.
Bill Ayers made Obama. The goal of the Weather Underground, the “New Left” was to curb the American Empire.
Breaking America up is what Zero wants to do.
He isn’t an American anyway and that’s going to found out sooner rather than later.
The repercussions will be tremendous.
ObeyMe’s bad economic policies, his usurping of law and jurisdiction, all of it are to destroy America, not to rule it.
Giving the UAW all that American tax money has achieved the opposite effect: GM and Chrysler car sales are lower than before the bailout and will be lower still because many Americans are POed about the bailout.
He might have just run that money through a paper shredder, but the economy is doomed.
Do you forget, EBD, that O’BiteMe was remarkable for a time because he wouldn’t were an American flag lapel pin?
Breaking up America is a divide and conquer tactic.
Maybe not sooner, but later.
First will be the recovery of the gains lost by the Russians with the breakup of the Soviet Union, the PRC will probably take any number of nations in Asia minor, South America will be up for grabs.
It’ll all go with a wimper, not a bang.
“Barely six months into his term, the 44th president has succeeded in generating the most widespread and serious discussion of secession since the Civil War.”
The man’s extremist ideas and fascist economics are responsible for the largest surge in constitutional republicanism in private business and young people since Hoover.
Of course the Obama regime has labeled this constitutionalist resurgence as domestic terrorism and is threatening reactionary police state goonery that will culminate in a symbolic display of Beltline totalitarianism that will make Waco and Ruby ridge look like Girl Guide camp.
Obama will turn the USA into Canada with better beaches and Spanish immersion programs.
Right ho, Jeeves!
Breaking up the US into a federation of independant states would be the best case scenario. States have the right to do so and it would be a natural reaction against excessive powers being assumed by the central government.
Much of what BO is doing now is unconstitutional. As more people see this I wouldn’t be surprised if the US military stages a coup to oust BO as the military takes defending the US constitution very seriously. This would be a far bloodier situation than the US devolving into a number of regional collections of states but the outcome is easily predictable since the good guys have most of the guns.
Coming from Europe I tend to be amazed by what is going on in the US since Barack Obama became president.
The guy’s views are comparable to german chancellor Angela Merkels and she is a member of the german conservative party, yet the american right tries to label him a socialist/communist/fascist? (how does the fascism=socialism-angle work, anyway?)
What does that make most of Europe, a bunch of stark raving mad, bombthrowing, left-wing extremists?
You assume him to be a radical bent on destroying the US because of what? Trying to create a healthcare-system that works better than the one Americans have? Slightly increasing military spending? Yes, those are indead the marks of a madman.
Yet we have people in this very thread calling for a civil war, all because they disagree with his sligthly left-of-center policies. So who’s the radical?
You know that the liberals would just immigrate to get away from their own preferred oppressive government and vote to recreate it in the new Texas Republic, or wherever, viz New Hampshire.
lastchancetosee,
Why do you care at all what goes on in North America? You have your European paradise, let us live as we choose.
Also, define fascism for me, because I don’t think you know what it means.
Why shouldn’t I care? I care about what happens in Italy, I care about Iran. This is a canadian blog, yet somehow the owner seems to care about the US as well. In this day and age, is it really that strange to be interested in what happens beyond the borders of one’s country?
Not to mention that, for better or worse (overall for the better in my opinion, only not so much in recent years) the direction US politics take continue to affect my life as well. Why wouldn’t I be interested?
But that’s all beside the point. The point is this: Take Obama’s policies and take what he has done so far. Take a good, hard, rational look at it, compare it to previous american administrations and other western countries and what you’ll find is mainstream. Nothing else.
When one mainstream political party looses to another mainstream political party and this party then throws a hissy fit of epic proportions, labeling it’s successor anything short of a baby-eating martian, talking about modeling their tactics on the taliban, beeing “an insurgency”, seceding, wanting citizens “armed and dangerous” then maybe, just maybe the radicals aren’t among the ruling party.
That’s not true of course. Neither side is radical per se. The fear of an Obama-led revolution towards socialism, fascism, communism or whatever the scareword of the day is baseless. It is fed by petulant children posing as politicians who have had their favourite toy taken away from them.
lastchancetosee,
Europe is such a cesspool of idiocy even Orwell wouldn’t be able to come up with a response.
The European conservative parties aren’t conservative at all. Euro parties run from left to extreme left. There is ZERO small-government options in Europe.
If your continent is so far removed from its own f’ing history you don’t even have the historical memory to know what fascism is I suggest you roll over and wait for your society to die. It won’t take long now anyway.
“The point is this: Take Obama’s policies and take what he has done so far. Take a good, hard, rational look at it, compare it to previous american administrations and other western countries and what you’ll find is mainstream. Nothing else.”
What you mean is that he’s acting like European governments: insolent, unaccountable, dismissive of the rule of law and constitutions, autocratic and snobby to the point of absurdity.
So Obama is “mainstream” only by European standards. Have a look at what the “mainstream” European parties are doing and what the people are doing about it – or didn’t you see the results of the recent Euro elections?
Breaking up the US into a federation of independant states would be the best case scenario… ~ loki at 12:10
Assuming you’re not being sarcastic, I would suggest that the US constitution pretty well does that; it’s just a matter of electing a federal governmtent that actually respects the constitution.
…I care about what happens in Italy… ~ lastchancetosee,
Of course you care what happens in Italy, but do you want someone in Brussels crafting social systems that would ammend the constitutions of both Germany and Italy? Judging by the EU election results, you would be in the minority.
re: recent Euro elections:
Looks to me as though a lot of EUnuchs are rejecting the European Union in favor of a more autonomous arrangement.
Sorry I can’t paste the image in here, but take a look at Obama’s projected deficits, and this is before he “fixes” health care, then tell me we have no reason to be concerned and are just being petulant.
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/80332/
You see, a lot of us old fuddy duddies have seen this before and seen the resulting inflation that occurred. There used to be a saying “That and ten cents will get you a cup of coffee.”, well now, after the inflation that happened then a cup of coffee costs $1.50 or so 15 times more. How did that happen? But we are just “old timers” talking about our youth in our dotage.
lastchancetosee, the big 0 is breaking the law and using the greatest document on earth (the constitution) as toilet-paper. This is far more than enough to have him swinging from a tree on the front lawn of the White House.
I notice that he failed to define fascism, which is when corporations and the govt run the country. Well, Obama is taking over the corporations, and wherever he gets involved, his supporters are winning real money, and his opponents are losing their livelihoods. That is fascism. Latest example, he is going to have govt boards decide how doctors can practice medicine, to “save money”, but he is not going to have govt board discipline doctors, he is going to leave that function to the democrat supporting trial lawyers, even though malpractice reform is a big pot of money that could be saved out of the health care system. Fascism.
Here is a surprisingly excellent take on the Obama administration’s economic failures, from Reuters of all places:
http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/06/19/why-obamas-big-economic-gamble-is-failing/
Hey, what a load of comments my post seems to generate.
@glasnost, oz
I think the recent EU election results, while certainly discouraging to people like me, stem from rather more complicated issues than the simple sovereignty issues, although that certainly is part of it. On the whole the EU is a rather poor analogy to the situation in the US. Take the federal system in Germany if you want a better one.
While I’d be quite ready to discuss this further, the topic at hand is whether or not Obama is a radical, so excuse me if I don’t go into this any further at this point.
@tim in vermont
1. fascism: I don’t know if there is a general consensus on the definition of fascism.
Examples of commonly accepted traits of fascist regimes (in no particular order): ultranationalism, militarism and the careful cultivation of violence, anti-intellectualism, claims of beeing the true national identity, dissent as treason, totalitarianism, anti-liberalism.
You will of course find common traits between the concepts of fascism and socialism or even communism, you will also find that fascist regimes in history tended to be violently anti-socialist and anti-communist.
The problem with so ill defined a term is that you can always twist it’s meaning to suit your needs, but what you are engaging in then is Newspeak, not analysis.
Viewed in the historical context of the terms communism and fascism are mutually exclusive.
The only reason Obama gets labeled a fascist is because socialist and communist aren’t sufficiently bad anymore.
2. inflation, deficit: It was Bush who, with the help of the banking industry turned a surplus into a deficit, saddled america with the ongoing cost of two wars etc. . Don’t put it all on Obamas doorstep.
But the ever growing deficit is certainly reason for concern. Unfortunately the alternatives to running this deficit are far worse, so I really don’t see any alternative.
The inflation that turned – in the course of a century – a 5ct bus fare into a 2$ one has nothing whatsoever to do with this.
@FREE: What laws, specifically, is he breaking? I haven’t heard of this.
@Jason: I’m from germany, so don’t lecture me on my “historical memory”. You have no idea of how present that particular stain is in our national conciousness (which doesn’t preclude some lobotomized idiots from voting for neonazi parties, I’m sad to say).
As to the rest of your comment, that certainly was, er, “well-reasoned”, but thanks a least for answering my question.
Leaving aside for the moment the Europe-comparisons (which indeed seems to be more liberal than the US), even if compared to previous US politics, how anyone can look at Obamas policies and conclude “radical left-wing extremist” is beyond me.
So please, tell me, what specifically is it about his ideas that is so extreme as to justify secession and civil war?
“This isn’t an accident or incompetence, it’s been his goal from the beginning.”
Word.
The One knows Obamacare is on life-support-his intended destruction of the world’s most ethical, economically and militarily powerful agent(not to say some powerless states aren’t more ethical) for change is ahead of schedule and even his party cannot maintain fealty.
If he finishes his term it will be in exile, from the Caracas Hilton.
It isn’t my definition of fascism, I see you are using the wikipedia definition. Here is where I got mine.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
You tell me that that doesn’t sound like Obama.
BTW the whole Iraq war has cost less so far than the stimulus spends. And since Obama doubles Bush’s horrific deficit spending, why isn’t he twice as bad? Look at the out-years in Obama’s plans, he is still running trillion dollar deficits at a time when everybody expects the spending in Iraq to have wound down significantly. Bush’s deficits were trending towards zero, and of course the Democrats have had control of spending for two years before Obama took office. Or didn’t you know that about our system of govt.
Obama thinks he can spend his way out of every problem, even though he doesn’t have the money.
Obama thinks he can spend his way out of every problem, even though he doesn’t have the money.
~tim in vermont at June 19, 2009 2:01 PM
Looks to me like he knows he doesn’t have the money and doesn’t care.
That leads to the conclusion that creating problems is his goal, not an accident at all.
It isn’t incompetence, it’s his plan to wreck America.
G-d damn America!
~Reverend Jeremiah Wright
another of O’BiteMe’s mentors
“Unfortunately the alternatives to running this deficit are far worse,”
That is what you and Obama believe, and the future of the Democratic Party has been bet on Obama being right. Inflation over a short time in the seventies saw the price of gas go from 25 cents a gallon to over a dollar. Home mortgage interest rates were 18%, inflation was 10%, this is per year, not decade. This was after the Democrats spent a decade and a half spending money we didn’t have. When I first heard Obama, my first thought was “Doesn’t he know all of this stuff was tried and failed?”
I hope for my country’s sake that you are right though. The seventies and first two years of the Eighties really sucked.
FYI, the liberals talk about secession too:
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/
Hey, you may be a clever guy, but if you actually take any of this (sore loser) right wing successionist talk seriously,you are certifiably crazy. And Tim in Vermont, don’t give me this garbage: you can’t really compare the crazies of the Second Vermont Republic to the leaders of the Texas Republican party, can you? Oh, just a second, I guess you can.
There’s a big difference between losing an election and losing a country. You have the gall to call real americans sore losers? Get a grip…Derek.
@tim in vermont: I see your definition of fascism focuses on the economic aspect, and while I agree that in this respect socialism if not communism shares something with fascism, the latter isn’t limited to economic policy. But let’s leave it at that, it is beside the point anyway.
Concerning deficit spending and George Bush, it may very well be that the Iraq war cost less than the stimulus package, I just wanted to mention that this whole thing isn’t exclusively Obama’s problem, let alone his fault. However, there is still a world of difference between spending money on war and spending money on the economy.
The problem right now is not the deficit but the economy. Get that working again, you get increased tax revenue and you can then reduce the deficit.
I personally am not an economic expert. However, what economists are saying seems to be rather intuitively true, so I’d say experto credite on this one.
Let me at this point reiterate my question:
“So please, tell me, what specifically is it about his ideas that is so extreme as to justify secession and civil war?”
“Take a good, hard, rational look at it, compare it to previous american administrations and other western countries and what you’ll find is mainstream. Nothing else.” AND “how anyone can look at Obamas policies and conclude “radical left-wing extremist” is beyond me.”
Oh, you’re right. I forgot how many times in the past the US has rung up TRILLION dollar deficits. That’s deficit, not the total debt, but just the deficit. And even in his optimistic projections, 500 billion is the smallest deficit forecast for the next decade. Note – I think these numbers are BEFORE you factoring a nationalized healthcare system.
Also pay no attention the the nationalization of the financial and auto sectors – par for the course for all suppostedly capitalist societies, right?
Also commonplace in American history, surely, is the abandonment of traditional allies in favour of dictaors and terrorists. Am I getting this right?
Don’t trouble yourself over the silence from the O about the Iranian elections, either. The US would never be accused of actually promoting democracy and freedom around the world would they?
Don’t trouble with the appointment of an army of “czars” (interesting choice of title, eh?) to operate outside of normal checks and balances, or the firing of an independent inspector general for looking into the supposed misdeeds of his friends.
Also no problem, I’m sure, is the appointment of a rabidly partisan organization (ACORN) that is the subject of multiple election fraud investigations in a nuber of states to handle census. This census will then be used to defince districts for, you guessed it, subsequent elections. Pretty standard stuff, no?
And this is just the stuff I could think of off the top of my head.
So, in comparison to American history, I’d submit that this administration has been anything but mainstream. Now, in comparison to Europe or South America you might have a case, but I really don’t think the average American wants go there.
sarge here lastchancetosee you seem like a nice fellar but these here small dead animal types are mentaly unbalanced an not too likely to be swayed by reason just because yer right don’t mean ya get to win any arguments here about. my german mom had a girl cousin who eve nafter her brothers died in stalingrad, north africa and italy loved hitler to the bitter end and died of a broken heart (and post war starvation, one supposes didn’t help ) after hitler snuffed himserlf. this site is dedicated to the same kind of insanity.by all means keep trying with the reason jest don’t expect results
@Attila
At last, some substance.
1.: Foreign policy.
As a “traditional ally” I’m sorry to say that George W. Bush did all the abandoning with his Iraq war and undiplomatic, my-way-or-the-highway-rhetoric.
Sure, his foreign policy is different from Bush’s, but that is hardly an adequate measure, is it? I don’t want to sound like I’m blaming Bush for everything, he did a lot of things wrong but some right and Obama in some respects isn’t any better, but Bush’s foreign policy was clearly insane.
I guess I’m not well-versed enough in current american politics, so please, be specific.
Which traditional allies is he abandoning and which dictators/terrorists is he supporting through what actions.
As to Iran: As far as I can see, he hasn’t been silent:
http://tinyurl.com/nn4ohn
http://tinyurl.com/mq7vn5
What certainly is holding back in his comments. But that is a good thing. While the Iranians deserve all our support, it is important to note, that they don’t want the US or Europe or anyone to be involved, because the last thing they want is to be seen, in Iran, as stooges of the western world. To openly and aggressively support the Iranian uprising would simultaneously drain their support and hand Ahmadinejad the perfect weapon against them: They’re just doing the US’ bidding.
Add to this the fact that noone knows for sure what exactly is happening there at the moment and you get a situation where dialing back the rhetoric is exactly the right thing to do.
You want to help the Iranians? Do this:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/16/cyberwar-guide-for-i.html
2.: ACORN
Firstly, they’ve been investigated for voter registration fraud, not election fraud. Different thing, but nonetheless bad.
Washington State filed felony charges in 2007 against some of their paid employees for I think 2000 fraudulent voter registrations. In 2008 one worker was sentenced for 30 or so fraudulent registrations. That’s it. There was no evidence of systematic fraud and ACORN as an organisation has never been charged with anything.
It was absolutely right for them to come under fire for this, but the situation seems to be pretty much resolved.
Secondly, where did you read that they have been “appointed […] to handle [the] census”? As far as I can tell the census bureau to date employs something like 300 organisations to help recruit census workers, ACORN has applied to be one of them, and their specific role in the census has not been determined yet.
(found the link I was looking for, this is from FoxNews, no less, so I guess even you wont accuse them of liberal bias:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/17/lawmakers-concerned-role-acorn-census/
3.: Nationalization
I guess you would have preferred for the banks and GM etc. to be let to collaps, taking the all the jobs attached to them, not to mention the economy with them?
They wanted to money. If you give someone a few billion dollars, interest and tax free, gift-wrapped, because that someone completely screwed up, wouldn’t you want to have some control over what is done with your money, to ensure that it doesn’t completely go down the drain?
What kind of stance is that, “We make money, we keep it, we loose money, the government pays the debt, but no strings attached, no questions asked.”? Not capitalism, I can assure you.
To be honest, I’m surprised in how LITTLE influence the governments (and not only in America, this goes for Europe as well) have seized. I’d have expected them to be “greedier”.
4.: Deficit
A trillion dollar deficit is really shitty. However, as I’ve stated before, the alternative is far worse.
@sarge: I don’t really expect to convince anyone, hopefully I can make some of them think.
But what I really want to know is the “why”. Because the right’s rhetoric is very extreme, yet the reasons cited for that rhetoric are vague to say the least.
evolution lead to revolution and complete change:
Introduction:
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=LTO_dZUvbJA
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience
need MRI and Photo of the city scan of brain
2) social worker psycho to identify brain behavior problems in big picture
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Social_workers
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_en&ei=1Ko6SpqYFoWmM5rvmK4F&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=psycho+social+worker&spell=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Wills_Neuroscience_Institute#Redwood_Center_for_Theoretical_Neuroscience
Who act like nurse identify the symptoms in big picture in first steps
with 4 years degree
3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_credentials_in_psychology
psychologist who has 6 years degree still can not prescribe medicine but can
made one more close to identify behavior problems
psychologist go one steps more in detail research brain and person behavior by categorized problems
not cover with Ohio it is expensive like 150 to 300 per hour like lawyers
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_en&q=psychologist+&meta=
4) are psychiatrists who are doctors with 8 years degree and has
able to prescribe drugs and study more anxiety and mental ill
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_en&q=psychiatric+&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_en&ei=56s6SunTI4W2NNqaobAF&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=psychiatrist&spell=1
they are ill
try to cure them and heal them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trials
justice is Consciousness that cause punishment for doing wrong to teach
lesson to other do not do repeat mistake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=conscious&meta=&rlz=1R2RNTN_en&aq=2&oq=consc
Justice is not revenge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge
Post dramatic syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_stress_disorder
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_en&ei=Mak6SqnQMo3cM9acya4F&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=post+dramatic+syndrome&spell=1
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We need to study all cause of action and human behavior as evolution if not directed
Will cause revolution
Then before as you take care of body take care of your brain health and all psychological background and understand society and not interfere to it without know that facts
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