“Non-Muslims in Europe who want to fight against Islamization are up against the cultural, political and media elites in their own countries, as well as the European Union, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, which is the largest voting block at the United Nations, and finally the entire Islamic world backed up by Saudi petrodollars. If you seriously believe that a few scattered and generally disliked groups of neo-Nazis represent a greater threat to freedom than the Alliance of Evil I just described then your understanding is fundamentally out of tune with reality….”
h/t Bernie and EBD
Canadian Infidel, thanks for posting that link to LGF 2.
takes awhile to get going but interesting.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,865,The-Human-Body-as-an-Evolutionary-Patchwork,Alan-Walker-Princetonedu
Atlanticjim – Well, it’s his blog and you know how much he loves being called Chuck, for starters. So, right off that was mighty friendly of you. Maybe you should try calling the proprietor here by a less than friendly short form of her name, one that you know she dislikes and see how Kate responds.
Set you free – Cheers backatcha!
i’ve said in the past that we will have to fight our own to win the war against islam.
Gates of Vienna has a bit on LGF
As longtime readers know, we normally avoid posting about LGF’s gradual retreat from any association with most anti-jihad bloggers and writers. Tundra Tabloids has been following this meme, and has created an amusing graphic showing a bus and all the people that Charles Johnson has thrown under it. KGS recently ran out of room and had to expand the picture to add the latest victims.
http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/
The same Gates of Vienna that hosts, Fjordman and other nazi sympathizers and apologists? So what is it? The enemy of my enemy and all that? Some enemies I wouldn’t be caught dead associating with and those who apologize for Vlaam Belang are among them. See dizzy’s post above. Spencer is either one of them or too pig headed and proud to admit that he was taken in by them and finds that he needs to explain and tolerate their positions. IMO, Charles Johnson quite properly, upon finding out their true colours, threw them under the bus, as you say. Me? I deleted Gates of Vienna and kept LGF.
“Atlanticjim – Well, it’s his blog and you know how much he loves being called Chuck, for starters….”
Posted by: ducktrapper at April 14, 2009 3:46 PM
I did? Wow, and here is me being the last to know I knew!
If calling him Chuck counts as a meltdown, then his skin must be thinner than rice paper.
And in the future there ducky ol chap, how’s about you speak for you and I will speak for me.
K?
Funny, you read all the posts by Creationists here whinging about Charles Johnson’s alleged vendetta against Christianity, and you’d get the impression that his blog has completely abandoned the anti-jihad battlefield. Not so, of course, there are frequent sarcastic posts about “Our Friends the Saudis” and the “Religion of Peace.”
People tend to forget that LGF has never promoted itself as a conservative or “right wing” blog. It’s labeled on the masthead as an “anti-idiotarian” blog. Since conservatives in general tend not to be idiots, they may find a great deal of congruence between their own beliefs and CJ’s anti-idiotarian positions. But if conservatives happen to embrace an idiocy of their own, such as Young-Earth Creationism, or the nonsense about measles shots causing autism, then they suddenly find themselves on the receiving end of the anti-idiotarian fire. And they don’t like that. And then they whinge about LGF having departed from some sort of conservative orthodoxy; that the blog has abandoned them. Suddenly, it’s all about them, and their particular pet idiocy, and all the other spheres where there was congruence between their position and that of the blog host are swept away in an orgy of self-pity.
It’s not a phenomenon unique to LGF; in fact it’s not even unique to the Internet in general. You can see it in real-life relationships, where some people will abandon a friendship rather than question their own prejudices.
Bottom line: if you, or I for that matter, want a blog that agrees 100% with our own values and beliefs, we will have to start our own.
CJ started a war of words with Barron at GoV …. long time ago.. over the fact that he posted reports about the connection of some right wing European (Vlars Belang??sp??) party members to movements that were “Labelled” fascist. Which in Europeon terms is anything that is NOT outright socialist.
As stupid act of mindless spite over nothing more than observing what was going on.
Since then .. over two years ago … I’ve bothered with LGF exactly twice.
As for GoV they have stood by their principles as far as I can tell… and I review their material at least once a week.
Aside from some commenters there who are clearly nuts what have they done wrong?
IMO … nothing except to challenge Charles Johnson in his attempt to create a blanket smear of their efforts and their character.
CJ is an ego out of control and on the far side of unhinged.
I still go there for the Link Viewer and the music videos.
The reason most “moderate” run-of-the-mill “average” citizens in the West are whistling past the graveyard about the mortal threat Islam poses to western civilization in what can only be described as an almost conscious, willful, suicidally naive fashion, is that they full well realize the sisyphusian efforts involved. And after half a century of the constant drumbeat of multi-culti propaganda through the MSM, academia and Hollywood they no longer have the psychic energy with which to gird their loins for what common sense tells them is the supreme effort ahead that will be required.
Much easier to elect the head-in-sand approach. That way you can’t see them coming. “Ignorance is bliss.”–until the blade falls.
Just a quick litmus test for us fans of free speech: are we prepared to have our kids taught that there is an alternative view of how everything came into being, called “Intelligent Design” and let them make their own minds up after begin rpesented with the arguments for and against? Or do we prefer that our schools indoctrinate more little robots, obedient to the correct way of thinking?
I mean, if ID is so silly, shouldn’t it be exposed to debate in the very place we are trying to encourage free thinking and enquiry: our schools?
That tack got me banned at LGF, but not before I’d had a chance to give CJ and some of his minions a darned good verbal bollocking. I guess he was itching to ban me, and I’m surprised it took him that long, seeing what he’s done to others. But I got hte shotgun blast in before he took me down, so he’s getting a bit slow I guess?
I might jump in here and say that as far as Fjordman, GoV, et al., are concerned, once again their critics seem to want to shoot the messenger of dire tidings. I first stumbled upon Fjordman in 2004 when he had his own blog and was one of the few doing actual factual reporting on what was going on in Scandinavia. The attempts to blacktop people such as him and those who post at GoV has, to my mind, evolved from a reflexive distaste of principled opposition from the multi-culti crowd to a loosely organized/coordinated effort to stifle all voices of opposition to immigration and Islam. This trend has taken on new dimensions with the latest
Homeland Security report characterizing groups that oppose immigration (among other things) as right-wing “fringe” groups that are possibly “terrorist” in nature–to include states rights groups (which I guess would put the Gov of Texas and the Indiana Legislature on the terrorist watch list to name the latest people to publicly support devotion to the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution.)
What is now in evidence, it seems to me, is a full-court press by the left in the MSM, the left part of the blogosphere and academia, in conjunction with the Obama Administration and supporters in Congres–and ardently joined by Islamicists–to paint/smear/slime anyone on the right who questions either untrammeled immigration to western nations or the security threat posed by Islam as extreme racists on the fringe of society and politics, and as potential terrorists who must be shunned, watched and discredited as not worth listening to. In other words as people holding views so outside the mainstream of respectability as to not be allowed to be voiced–or at the very least severely limited/restricted if not outright censored.
Under the Obama Administration this effort is only going to intensify by giving the imprimatur of government authority to this movement via the DOJ, EEOC, Homeland Security, the FCC and other agencies able to bring regulatory/legal restrictions to bear.
“It’s always darkest just before it turns totally black.”
Addendum: “Dr. Sanity’s” blog today has an excellent post on the psychological/philosophical effect of Post-modernism in providing a societal “gloss” which goes a long way to explain the mental processes involved in our suicidal cultural “group-think.”
Before you call VB and Fjordmann ‘Nazi sympathizers’, stop and think – who else is vocal about ROP slowly but surely raising the sword that will chop off our heads. Certainly not you!
So gordin, how do you explain getting banned from LGF by mentioning this very post?
Because Charles is no longer a seeker of truth, but is now deeply into himself.
> Just a quick litmus test for us fans of free speech: are we prepared to have our kids taught that there is an alternative view of how everything came into being, called “Intelligent Design” and let them make their own minds up after begin rpesented with the arguments for and against?
That has nothing to do with free speech. I’m a fan of free speech and I’m all for your freedom to tell your kids, or anybody else who will listen, that the Universe was created out of sheer willpower at the whim of a Supreme Being. I wouldn’t want to live in a country where you didn’t have that freedom.
But as you’re aware, this is not a free speech issue; rather, it’s about religious fanatics trying to push their views onto kids, in school, in the guise of “intelligent design”.
> Or do we prefer that our schools indoctrinate more little robots, obedient to the correct way of thinking?
If by “correct” you mean “true”, then yes. Yes I do. Evolution is a fact of nature whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
> I mean, if ID is so silly, shouldn’t it be exposed to debate in the very place we are trying to encourage free thinking and enquiry: our schools?
No, because it’s not just silly; it’s religious indoctrination dressed up as “alternative explanation”. People who wish to present this thinking to their children are free to do so at home, and so they should be.
I’m all in favour of home schooling.
I’m surprised to learn that LGF bans so many people for some pretty innocuous opposition. How un-conservative. It just results in an echo chambers of dorky one liners.
Thats one of the things i appreciate about SDA, everybody can say what they want so long as the language doesn’t get obscene. The varying points of view can get sifted pretty cleanly by the people here providing some good comedy. There are some text book trolls – but they get fried pretty fast.
And yeah, i dropped LGF primarily because of his silly fixation on Creationism vs Evolution. What a dopey distraction – who cares…
I have also stopped reading LGF. The Lizards are only allowed to agree with Charles in a very narrow opinion range. It is like he has completely lost it. He is so purist in his thinking that no one can live up to his standards.
Every day he bashes creationists, who are now apparently the world’s greatest threat to mankind. It is disappointing to watch, so I don’t any more.
Mambo, you commit the cardinal error of dressing up “the scientific paradigm as we currently know it” as if it were a religion in its own right. I am of the view that nothing is sacred, not even science, nor ID. Bu the way I am a trained scientist in a “hard” science area.
You wish to pretty much exterminate opposing explanations of what the current scientific community believes. These beliefs will change with time, as yet more evidence and contradiction comes in. That is the true way of knowledge. Also, it is bcoming increasingly clear that science today is becoming a branch of sciology in a most unprofessional way (think David Suzuki and other politicians masquerading as scientists).
Let our kids be exposed to alternatives. And if you’d deny them that in public schools, well then it is the best argument for home-schooling I’ve seen yet!
I might agree with you bcf ,if the proponents of creationism were not so dishonest in their presentation of their position. They understand that there is no scientific basis for what they are proposing so they try and dress it up as ID.
If creationism is what they believe to be the way of things then say that. Don’t try and dress it up as Intelligent Design with a raft pseudo scientific garbage. Until they are honest enough to say exactly what it is that they are proposing then leave this garbage where it belongs and where I learned it and disgarded it 40 years ago, Sunday school.
> Mambo, you commit the cardinal error of dressing up “the scientific paradigm as we currently know it” as if it were a religion in its own right.
No, that’s just what religious fanatics need to believe, as though it justifies their own faith.
> Bu the way I am a trained scientist in a “hard” science area.
Then you’ll appreciate the value of “hard” evidence as a basis for testing and developing a theory; you’ll further appreciate that since there is zero evidence to support ID, it has no place whatsoever being discussed in a classroom.
> You wish to pretty much exterminate opposing explanations of what the current scientific community believes.
Well, I certainly don’t want “opposing explanations” for which there is absolutely no evidence taught to children as though they have any merit whatsoever. If you were a “trained scientist” you’d feel the same way.
To: Atlantic Jimmy or is it Jimminy? Jimbo? Well alright then.
So sad, that you’d toss out 2000 years of thought and tradition because somehow there is only one way of knowing. Unfortunately you are bansihing metaphysics from the classroom, and as a hard scientist (pure mathematics) I know that much of “hard” science today is based on pre-supposing models to be true, and then hammering and contorting the evidence to fit the model. Like AGW…..
I for one want my kids exposed to where our society actually came from – Christian and Stoic philosophical traditions. Actually “hard” science has shaped very little of what the West once was. That is neother bad not good, but the way things turned out. I think you are tossing the baby out with the bath water, but hey, after what I’ve seen around Western education, my kids are on the fast track to home-schooling.
Bottom line, how does hammering creationists, of which I am NOT one, forward our focus on radical Islam and the WOT? It doesn’t. It’s nothing more than a distraction. In the case of LGF, that is an entertainment blog and the creationist theme was not entertaining.
I like Pam Geller. She’s operating with her emotions leading the way but surfaces very interesting news items. Plus, one feels compelled to support a conservative Jew. Endangered species and all that.
iowavette: “how does hammering creationists, of which I am NOT one, forward our focus on radical Islam and the WOT? It doesn’t. It’s nothing more than a distraction. In the case of LGF, that is an entertainment blog and the creationist theme was not entertaining.”
America and Canada were founded and built by creationists. Heck, Mackenzie-King was even into having seances with his dog. I therefore conclude that it was neither Islamists nor evolutionists who built the new world. So I will keep a little space in my life to hear what creationists have to say. It won’t kill me to listen once in a while, regardless of my feelings about the subject. Just sayin, you know.
> So sad, that you’d toss out 2000 years of thought and tradition because somehow there is only one way of knowing.
Nice try. Nobody is suggesting that history be “tossed out.” Only that religious creation myths not be taught as “alternative explanations” in a classroom setting.
What the hell, why not introduce Ptah into the curriculum as an “alternative explanation” of the origins of the Universe and humanity? For thousands of years, the most advanced civilization on Earth, at the time, accepted him as the Creator. Is it “sad” that we no longer think this? Does the length of time that people believed the myth make it “true”?
> Unfortunately you are bansihing metaphysics from the classroom…
No, just religious indoctrination, which is what ID is.
> I for one want my kids exposed to where our society actually came from – Christian and Stoic philosophical traditions.
Fair enough! Me too. That’s what the study of history and philosophy is for. Not to be confused with physics, biology, anthropology, and chemistry.
I myself am glad that medicine is not based on “tradition,” but on “what works”, so that I don’t have to go for bloodletting when I have a flu, and that schizophrenics are no longer deemed to be “possessed” and treated with incense and chants.
You don’t get it Mambo. Because where the F**K do you think all our laws, customs, why even the scientific “method” hail from, ??? Do some basic research before you jump into the lake with the big boys, dude…
BTW Mambo, the Catholic Church withstood the onslaught of Islam, and beat it back. I got bad news for you, chum. There is no victory over Islamic fascism to be had in state-enforced atheism. Post Christian Europe will be Islamic, not secualr atheist. No secualr atheist society has survived very long in all of history… And the Chinese are not secular – they have all kinds of mystical beliefs you’d dismiss as “religion”…
So I want my kids to know something about who we as humanity believe God to be (whatever form he/she/it) is believed to take, and that that belief has formed a greatd deal of the “rational” method that survived the Dark Ages. That belongs in metaphysics, NOT history.