Where the foxes caper unmolested, the government packs your school lunch, and all without firing a shot;
The Archbishop of Canterbury has today said that the adoption of Islamic Sharia law in the UK is “unavoidable” and that it would help maintain social cohesion.
Rowan Williams told BBC Radio 4’s World At One that the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.
Update – the backlash begins. Thank heavens. (link fixed)
Don’t relate to the most time honoured legal system in the world? How to they relate to deportation?
You do know that Tony Blair is no longer the PM, right?
And the Archbishop doesn’t speak for the PM, which is Gordon Brown.
You did know this right?
He’s got it backwards: the British legal system is not being applied to some British residents.
I wonder what would happen if that were tried?
Quimby, I realize Liberals and Dippers need things spelt out so they don’t get confused but I presume Kate is making an allegory between what is happening in British society today and that Blair’s progressive, offend no one, nanny state gobbly gook he shoveled down everyone’s throat during his term in office is kind of what set it up. Make sense now…good
I suspect sharia law runs counter to the Magna Carta.
Did the Brits tar & feather their heretics in the past?
If they didn’t maybe they should take it under consideration for the current goofy bishop.
Quimby – Don’t be an asshat. Yes, we know that Tony Blair is no longer the PM. But the point being made is that under his Prime Ministership immigration of Muslims tro GB skyrocketed to the point where influencial left leaning people, in an attempt to make Muslims happy, are willing to subvert the British justice system and thereby British society as a whole, by allowing a religious organization have its own justice system. Helloooo – earth to Quimby. Does that sound slightly dangerous to you?
Quimby, we are talking about a religious organization that sees little value in women and has many of its leaders (Imams) preaching death to infidels. When a leader like the Archbishop of Canterbury says it is time to let the Muslims have their own justice system well, lets just say that the thin edge of the wedge is being inserted. It is only a matter of time before more leftards, wanting to appease the oppressed, support this same insanity.
Give it them in GB and Muslims the world over will want to have it where they are. There will demands on our Canadian Government for Sharia Law in Canada. The Canadian Muslim Congress is already advocating it. Think back to not that long ago (a couple of months maybe) a Muslim father choked his daughter to death because she shamed the family by just being a “normal” teen ager. In many Muslim countries Sharia Law allows this type of thing to happen without punishment. Is that what you want in Canada?
The Archbishop of Canterbury is an absolute idiot for advocating such lunacy.
Stop all this crazy talk. Next you’ll be telling me that the UK provides welfare benefits to multiple wives of Islamic men.
Nope, no threat to western civilization and tradition here. Move along…
Seriously, this leftard should be hung for treason.
“Tony Blair’s Britain” is a recurring topic heading, like “The Sound of Settled Science”. It allows readers of SDA to immediately zero-in on the topic at hand.
Just give them Britian as their homeland. Offer free airfare for the muslims over here who just can’t adopt to our way of life because of their religion. That works for me.
Actually, the Archbishop is right; some of its citizens do indeed not relate to the British legal system. They include various criminals fined or jailed for such interesting actions as robbery, manslaughter, break-and-enter and etc.
Now, with that aside, the Archbishop is a relativist idiot. Because someone doesn’t ‘relate’ to your legal system doesn’t mean that you change your system to accomodate their beliefs – whether it be the Group Who Are Muslim, or the Group Who Make Their Living Via Selling Drugs, or the Group who Make Their Living via Car Thefts.
Britain is going to have to wake up and decide for itself whether everyone is equal before the law, ie, whether it wants a common law or an unequal relativist legal system.
He may have repeated it today but he said months ago.
The next Archbishop of Cantebury should be Mr. Bean.
Brown could correct Britian*s wayward navigation by wrenching the near comatose bishops, arched and otherwise, out of their Ivory Towers for a short Padre stint of about six weeks in Afghanistan.
Sharia law would not have an iota of a chance after said 6 weeks. = TG
There’s a revealing quote from the Archbishop in the article:
“They should not imagine, either, that we know exactly what we mean by Sharia and just associate it with … Saudi Arabia, or whatever,” he continued.
Wonderful. The Archbishop has no clear idea what he means by sharia law, other than that it shouldn’t be as nasty as the version practiced in Saudi Arabia.
This reminds me of Aboriginal leaders angrily denouncing anyone who asks for a clear definiton of self-government, other than to say that it’s just one of those policies that can’t be “pre-defined”.
Kind of like signing up for a bank loan and being told to come back in six weeks to find out what interest rate you’ll be charged. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand who benefits from an arrangement like that.
Maybe it’s time to reverse the Reformation. The Pope isn’t a dhimmi.
Wasn’t it just last week that the idea was being seriously entertained to extend the dole to all of the Muslim polygamist’s wives. It’s hard to keep track of all of the dhimmi activites over there.
The next Archbishop of Cantebury should be Mr. Bean.
Because he doesn’t talk.
Is this bad sharia or good sharia, Your Grace?
http://tinyurl.com/2ud96f
Actually, the Archbishop is right; some of its citizens do indeed not relate to the British legal system. They include various criminals fined or jailed for such interesting actions as robbery, manslaughter, break-and-enter and etc.
It was not that long ago that we had a better understanding of our own traditions and history. One would think that an educated English man would know that the original definition of the English word outlaw referred to those who were outside the protection of the law and that the purpose of good law is to protect those within its jurisdiction.
And from this, … he makes a living?
It is a kinder gentler sharia.
Apparently the Archbishop knows there is a reformation of Islamic law in place….wow…who else knows this?
Tony Blair did in fact appoint this Asshat to his office – Rowan Williams is very much a legacy of Tony’s England.
Funny thing is, I really quite liked Blair – I don’t think that he was really a bad person, but he was so desperate to “modernize” Britain that he did not understand that he was tearing down so many of the institutions that held UK society together, with out replacing them with functional alternatives. This is typical Progressive beharious – the motives are true and good but the brains are turned off.
That’s not to say that all change is bad – but it should be carefully thought out and not rushed into willy-nilly.
We are one bad election result away from having some dipper leftoid trying to ram that stone age philosophy down our throats.
Once again, where are all of the feminists whilst this crap is going on? Muslim women do not deserve the effort? Are all of today’s feminists racist or stupid? Or a combination of both?
KEEP YOUR SHARIA LAW OFF OF MY DAUGHTERS’ BODIES!
And this time I am serious, as all 3 of my daughters hold British passports.
ET said, “Because someone doesn’t ‘relate’ to your legal system doesn’t mean that you change your system to accomodate their beliefs”
I agree – but what we do in the West is change our culture for these people (e.g. references to Christmas, classroom history about the Crusades…etc)
If we constantly relent on cultural matters, then allowing a separate legal system is simply the next step. After all, the West’s attitude has been “our accommodation knows no bounds”.
And anyway, the C of E has more important ways to save the world, like those freezing Pakistanis and everyone in Canada this winter:
http://tinyurl.com/27bfeq
Here’s one for the Archbishop:
An Islamic group based in the UK has issued a death fatwa against a playwright whose London stage production depicts Jesus Christ as a homosexual.
Terrence McNally was sentenced to death by the Shari’ah Court of the UK as his play, Corpus Christi, opened in London on Thursday night.
…The religious edict was signed by Sheik Omar Bakri Muhammad, judge of the Shari’ah Court of the UK.
…The sheik added: “We do not believe in political assassination, but obviously he would face capital punishment.
“He will be arrested and there will be capital punishment.”
He said that under Islamic law, Mr McNally could only escape the fatwa by becoming a Muslim. If he simply repented he would still be killed – but his family would be cared for by the Islamic state.
(my emphasis)
Also at the same site, gay Mohammad pics
Go to archbishopofcanterbury.org and leave a message for the mullah of Canterbury
looks like a temporary measure before the more formal doggy position is taken
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23436195-details/Brown+bans+preacher+who+praised+bombers/article.do
Isn’t it traditional to behead the Archbishop of Canterbury? Seems like a good policy.
the Thomas Moore solution you mean?
DirtCrashr,
No the traditional punishment in England for treason is drawing and quartering.
It involves hanging a person but not until dead, disembowelling the person while they live and burning the entrails (which generally finishes off the person in question) followed by cutting the body into 4 pieces which are placed on the four corners of the city walls and the head on a spike at the Tower of London.
I’d say it’s time to resurrect the old ways…
… the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.
So… How do they relate to the penal system?
What foresight! I see our dear archbishop has already grown his wahhabi whiskers!
There’s only one possible response:
“SILENCE! I KEEL YOU!”
Do we need any more evidence that the Anglican Church is on its deathbed. Unfortunately I think the disease that is killing it is communicable and is already infecting millions of non-Anglicans who have bought into the so-called “progressive” line of thought.
“Once again, where are all of the feminists whilst this crap is going on? Muslim women do not deserve the effort? Are all of today’s feminists racist or stupid? Or a combination of both?”
Racist, feminists prescribe to what I call “two tier human rights”, browns need not apply.
Not stupid though, the correct word is malicious. The feminist organizations in Canada have made their beds by aligning their cause with the socialist parties. Feminists have no interest in equality for women, their interests are aligned with inequity for women. Buy turning a blind eye to the fate of women world wide, they stay in good favor with the socialist parties that would fund these feminist organizations.
A good analogy is to compare the institutionalized women’s movement to the character Mr.Smith from the Matrix series. Mr. Smith’s final demise was the completion of his objective. Once Neo was killed, Mr.Smith’s need to exist was finished; therefore he perished.
Acknowledging the crimes against women would mean supporting the Conservatives. This would be the equivalent of “biting the hand that feeds you” because any good “c”onservative knows that any valid organization will be self sustainable. I can extend this logic to the social science community, the art community or any other victims groups.
The real question is when are WOMEN(collectively)going to pull their heads out of the sand, do the right thing and start speaking out on behalf of the aforementioned Muslim women. Based on polls from Ontario, women (collectively) are content with turning a blind eye to the pressing issues in our country for the pitiful bribes offered by the Libs and the NDP.
It is time to start earning back the R-E-S-P-E-C-T that our ancestors (men and women) fought so hard to gain in the first place.
Shit, I’m turning Catholic!
those who advocate sharia law in any western country should be hanged for treason.
A house divided falls
Who will rid us of this turbulent priest?
I think Liz will have to skid the Archbishop, because Prince Chuckles isnt likely too have the cahones.
What knights would do her bidding?
stabbing and beheading would be for the sharia followers.
On April 9, 1747, Simon Fraser, Lord Lovat, became the last man to be beheaded in England by the state.
Not that I’ve got anything against christianity, but if you are familliar with how the Christians took over the Roman Empire, then you may be seeing modern parallels.
Britain has been annexed by the cabal that runs the EU central council…parliament can’t make social or economic policy without getting it ifrst from the EU social engineering council…..and the EU Overlords have decided the EU will become a collection of non sovereign, homogenous vassel fifedoms of the central council….first the national cohesion of the individual sovereign nation states have to be broken down (deconstructed) …and no easier way to do that than with constant social strife by officially accommodating an incompatible aggressive culture with a law code incompatible with liberal democratic juris prudence.
It’s a bonus the EU apparatchiks in the Brown regime have a handy state-owned church like the COE…a wholly owned state corporation with a talking head that echoes Whitehall social engineering policy…it’s a “Borg” world that has been planned for Brits ( and us)
Ah yes Sharia dystopia is inevitable ny faithful flock… God’s official British messenger has ordained it so….Baaaahhhh Baaahhh
As defender of the faith, and I believe formal head of the Anglican Church (I might be wrong) it would be well within her authority to have a chat with him.
Of course the archbishop should be shutting up on the state’s laws. Unless he wants hte state to go sniffing around what he is up to.
The Archbishop’s idiocy knows no bounds. It’s not just this matter. A few days earlier he proposed that England should have “new laws to protect religious sensibilities that would punish “thoughtless and cruel” styles of speaking.”
“The legal provision should keep before our eyes the general risks of debasing public controversy by thoughtless and, even if unintentionally, cruel styles of speaking and acting,” he said.
Get this…. thoughtless and cruel styles of speaking, even if unintentional!!!!!
How does that sound, in light of what is going on with HRCs in Canada?
Serriously, this is a man who has lost his grip on reality. Can he be fired?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3272730.ece
Cal2 @6.45 Is that ebcause he founded a ubniersity in British California?
the next Archbishop of Canterbury should be the Bishop of Rochester
http://www.rochester.anglican.org/bishop_michael.htm
RW@7:25
Hey, who jumbled up all those characters? They left my keyboard pure as well written english :^)
RW said “Not that I’ve got anything against christianity, but if you are familliar with how the Christians took over the Roman Empire, then you may be seeing modern parallels.”
Troll warning – idiot sighted…
Seeing as how the UK is circling the toilet, I suggest that we invite HM to take her Canadian Throne at Rideau Hall and recognize non-muslim British citizens as refugees. The Archbishop of Canterbury is a traitor to western civilization, and needs to be dealt with in a truly historical british fashion.
Lori quoted the drooling moonbat wingnut as saying ‘The Archbishop’s idiocy knows no bounds. It’s not just this matter. A few days earlier he proposed that England should have “new laws to protect religious sensibilities that would punish “thoughtless and cruel” styles of speaking.”‘
And the Archbishop should be the very first to be prosecuted under that law – his ravings are thoughtless and cruel. England should be protected from his wildeyed ravings.