Exerpts of a new book by Ron Suskind reveal that;
Al-Qaeda terrorists came within 45 days of attacking the New York subway system with a lethal gas similar to that used in Nazi death camps. They were stopped not by any intelligence breakthrough, but by an order from Osama bin Laden’s deputy, Ayman Zawahiri. And the U.S. learned of the plot from a CIA mole inside al-Qaeda.
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U.S. intelligence got its first inkling of the plot from the contents of a laptop computer belonging to a Bahraini jihadist captured in Saudi Arabia early in 2003. It contained plans for a gas-dispersal system dubbed “the mubtakkar” (Arabic for inventive). Fearing that al-Qaeda’s engineers had achieved the holy grail of terror R&D — a device to effectively distribute hydrogen-cyanide gas, which is deadly when inhaled — the CIA immediately set about building a prototype based on the captured design, which comprised two separate chambers for sodium cyanide and a stable source of hydrogen, such as hydrochloric acid. A seal between the two could be broken by a remote trigger, producing the gas for dispersal. The prototype confirmed their worst fears: “In the world of terrorist weaponry,” writes Suskind, “this was the equivalent of splitting the atom. Obtain a few widely available chemicals, and you could construct it with a trip to Home Depot – and then kill everyone in the store.”
The device was shown to President Bush and Vice President Cheney the following morning, prompting the President to order that alerts be sent through all levels of the U.S. government. Easily constructed and concealed, mass casualties were inevitable if it could be triggered in any enclosed public space.
Via Drudge.
sooooo anyone else wondering if any of the Toronto 17 visited any Jihadi websites where these instructions were available for downloading ??
Curious minds would like to know.
Have a nice TTC day.
Works even better now that the book confirms it works.
Oh well, cant keep that hidden.
New chemical purchases to watch for.
Subway, Parliament, police stations, stadiums…all good targets. We are an open society. The community is stronger when the community protects itself by identifying those crazoids in our midst.
Well, is it any surprise to anyone other than moonbats and the MSM that AQ was planning another attack on America? I mean, why wouldn’t they try again?
It always amazes me to see moonbats toe the line that there’s no attack in the offing, therefore we don’t need any security or anything. Stupid.
Seems kind of strange that they say here they have a mole but the reason they didn’t know of 9/11 was they couldn’t get anyone inside or even close to the planners.
Plus what ever happened to the guy that was sending anthrax around? He must’ve gotten a promotion by now, Everyone else did.
I’ll bet that the person in charge of the EPA after 9/11 the one that said it was safe to breathe the air, the dust was harmless, got a promotion. No Shes on the outs. When Whitman left the EPA in June 2003, the number of officially designated smoggy days in the US was up by 32% and the completion of cleanup of Superfund toxic sites was down by 50%. She’s splitting the republican party to unite it.
“It is time for Republican moderates to assert plainly and forcefully that this is our party too, that we not only have a place, but a voice – and not just a voice, but a vision – a vision that is true to the historic principles of our party and our nation.
Could the seventeen people charged in Toronto with the ammonium nitrate proposed terrorist action have just as easily had in their possession such a deadly gas device?
If a few widely available chemicals and “a trip to Home Depot” for the necessary material to construct such a deadly weapon as described in the thread, is easily fabricated, perhaps Howard Moscoe should show more concern for TTC vulnerability, or the CBC operation as terrorist targets.
Is Canadian MSM paying close enough attention to the threat in our midst, will they pussyfoot around the issue, careful not to offend fragile sensibilities?
Or is the mindset after all, who would want to harm peace loving, compassionate, warm fuzzy earth worshipping Canadians, eh?
Correct me if I am wrong.
But didn’t the MSM go to great lengths to assure us the chemical vests in Britain was bogus? They called it too innovative to be of terrorist origin
Now we see a worse killer made by the Kool-Aid cult, & those vests look mighty tame.
The press is run by imbeciles. Or traitors. They do a better job for al Quada than Al Jezera. Does for sympathy or misinformation.
I really wonder whose side these journalists are on?
There are more smog alerts reported now in the USA for the simple reason that it is required to declare and report. Over the last 30 years the levels of toxins in the atmosphere is down 66%, which includes lead and carbon monoxide. It should be noted that the City of Toronto has 3 times as many smog alerts whose effects last twice as long since 1993. But statistics don’t really tell the whole story as this stupendous jump is from one day a year to sometimes three. While LA and San Francisco spend on the average of 8 times the amount of money, on a per capita basis, as Toronto on smog and pollution abatement programs.
Plus simply looking at a calendar might suggest that the mole the CIA claimed to have was in al-Queda in 2003, two years after 9/11.
Still spreading xenophobia from Delisle, Kate? Isn’t it about time that you got into the 1980’s?
is that not the combination of chemicals used in american prison gas chambers ??? i thought the nazi’s used zylon B ???
I just hope the CIA doesn’t test their new-found weapon in the Montreal subway again–the first test was bad enough.
The thing that really roasts me about The Left in general and the raving anti-war moonbats particularly, is that a piece of information like this means absolutely nothing to them.
You put access to chemical weapons in the same sentence as Ossama Bin Laden, and all you get back from these people is “Chimpy lied, people died!” Even the fact that a subway in Tokyo has already been hit with a chemical weapon by religious lunatics is completely ignored.
We really, truly cannot afford to let Islamic terrorists get access to chemical weapons, and that means doing war upon them wherever they hide.
Including even Rexdale Ontario.
Spike,
Zyklon B is a carrier for hydrogen cyanide and was originally developed by a German Jew as a pesticide. Strangely enough it’s still produced in the Czech Republic and used for controlling rats and insects. (referenced at Wikipedia)
Phantom, same here.
The left (not including the moderate left, of which there are a relative few) are truly fanatics. Bush Derangement Syndrome is only the most obvious “tip of the iceberg” of their hate-filled neo-fascism.
Dunno if this is true or not, but if so, why would Zawahiri call off the strike? I wonder if they worry about making the Great Satan too angry?
Spike.
Zyklon B..A crystallized form of hydrogen cyanide which turns to gas when exposed to air.
It’s not a carrier, it is hydrogen cyanide.
Here is where all the ugly stuff started.
http://www1.uni-hamburg.de/rz3a035//ZyklonB.html
Not only was Neuengamme concentration camp situated in Hamburg, but it was from here that the poison gas Zyklon B was distributed to the various concentration and extermination camps, where it was used to murder millions of people.
The firm Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung mbH) in Frankfurt am Main produced and delivered Zyklon B. Degesch was controlled by I. G. Farben, and Tesch and Stabenow. The firm Tesch and Stabenow had their offices in the Meßberghof building in Hamburg.
Zyklon B was originally developed as a pesticide and was initially used as such. The SS then employed the poison gas in large quantities as the means to murder millions of individuals. Between 1942-43 the Hamburg firm delivered 19 tonnes of Zyklon B to Auschwitz II (Birkenau) alone.
In 1946, the firm’s two managers were sentenced to death, by a British military court, and executed.
The history of the Meßberghof building is further blackened by having been renamed by the Nazis. It was originally called Ballin-Haus after Albert Ballin (1857-1918), the famous Jewish general director of the Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt- Actiengesellschaft (Hapag), which in 1970 merged with Norddeutscher Lloyd (Bremen) to become Hapag-Lloyd. Because Ballin was a Jew the Nazis initially renamed Ballin-Haus “Bauhof”, and then “Meßberghof”.
It took until June 1997, before a memorial plaque was erected on the Meßberghof building. The plaque that recalls this dark chapter in Hamburg’s history was afixed only after conflict with the owner of the building, a property company belonging to the Deutsche Bank. According to newspaper reports the company feared that such a plaque would be detrimental to the letting of the building. A spokesman for the Deutsche Bank later apologized for not initially showing the necessary sensitivity.
The memorial plaque, however, makes no mention of the original name of the building (Ballin-Haus) and its having been renamed by the Nazis.
So now the jihadist types want to bring us
“Back to the Future: 1942”
Criminal insanity is alive and well, if the CIA report is to be taken at face value. They can have an invitation to the far side of Hell as well. More instructive lessons from the “life is cheap” crowd.
Except here in Canada we see the outrage by Muslims when their Brothers get arrested for attempting to murder us, they feel that even suicide bombers are innocent until proven guilty.
So if the SCOC sides with the terrorists on the Security Certificates for Non-Citizens plotting to kill us, we will end up with more Air-India slaughters where the RCMP must wait for the crime before acting to stop it.
The Hamas supporter pretend to be against violence and assert that the guilty show be brought to Justice, except suicide bombers don’t leave much behind to drag into Court and put on trial.
LOL
The sky is Falling
No it’s Usama His armies are falling on us.
LOL
Sheep, someone yells fire and you’ll run around locking up everyone with matches.
Who spread the anthrax?
The letters contained a specific type of weaponized Anthrax made by a United States military lab which had been claiming for a lot of years that it wasn’t doing that sort of thing any more.
Again, while the wingnuts would have us chasing all over the world for “terrorists?'” that they are creating by chasing all over the world, back at home they are planning their next strike. But we will continue to chase all over the world because we want to fight them their rather than fight them here. Brilliant! As if, shooting insurgents and collaterals stops them over here?? Go figure. 400 billion in Iraq. How much defensive infrastructure will that money buy?
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He made this speech which doesn’t agree with your thoughts on it or most here.
“A fighter pilot takes a look back at 9/11”
check out what a real hero has to say.
He just wants answers to the questions he has.
Maybe the next president?
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
A thorough review of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded 1928, long long long before Afghanistan, Iraq, even 20 years before Israel. It’s long — 4 parts. Must read. Should give naysayers pause to reflect that Islamofascism is NOT mere reaction to US foreign policy, though they use it of course for recruiting islamist murderers and their fellow travelling useful idiots in the west.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22916
No wonder thinking lefties like Christopher Hitchens and Michael Ignatieff have turned their backs on this crowd.
I take it your waiting for them to come search your house looking for guns?
MILWAUKEE, Wis., May 18 (Reuters) – The National Rifle Association launched a drive on Thursday to prevent police from confiscating legally owned guns during disasters ranging from hurricanes to a potential bird flu pandemic.
“The truth is there is no scenario in which lawful gun owners should agree that government can come into their homes and disarm them,” Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the influential gun lobby group, told a news conference on the eve of its annual convention.
The group aired a video in which several New Orleans residents said their guns were taken by police in the turmoil after Hurricane Katrina devastated the city Aug. 29
They also used the National Guard to search the homes.
Maybe a terrorist attack will give them reason to come and collect all the guns?
All The News That’s Fit To Make Up
Via Wizbang – is it the New York Times’ turn to fabricate quotes?
The reporter in question, Ron Suskind, did not attend the event he got the quote from. Further, it was not televised, it was a private event and there were no transcripts available. Yet he reports the quote as fact.
Suskind does not explain how he got the controversial quote so accurate but does say about an earlier quote “According to notes provided to me, and according to several guests at the lunch who agreed to speak…”
So Suskind got “notes provided to him” and that was good enough to run such an important quote. I hope Bill Burkett was not the source. Is this what passes for reporting at the Times today?
The Kerry/Edwards/NYTimes campaign has decided they can’t convince voters with ringing endorsements so they’ll scare old people to death.
For their part, the Bush campaign is denying the quote and some even claimed Suskind made the quote up from whole cloth. In the end, it is of little use, the media is running wild with the story, facts be damned.
–Oh, and who is Ron Suskind that the New York Times is having write a 10 (web) page story on Bush just days before the election? He is the author of “The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O’Neill.””
Hey, if it’s good enough for the Associated Press…
Well, that’s what happens when you elect a Democratic governor, I guess.
Since 9/11 and the global war on terror, the world is a much more dangerous place. Right?
Dead wrong, according to a recent in-depth study, which found that virtually every trend in global security in the past dozen years has been positive, and dramatically so.
The world is today a safer place, according to the Human Security Report, a project funded by five nations and published by Oxford University Press. The study, which is the culmination of three years of research, offers a comprehensive look at the data on political violence from 1988–2005, and reaches some arresting conclusions:
# Fewer armed conflicts. Armed conflicts declined by more than 40 percent since the early 1990s. During this period, fifteen more armed struggles for self-determination ended than started. Today there are fewer armed secessionist conflicts than at any point since 1976.
# Less genocide . Notwithstanding the horrors of Rwanda , Bosnia , and Sudan , the number of genocides and “politicides” fell by 80 percent between the high point in 1988 and 2001.
# Fewer international crises . The number of “international crises” declined by more than 70 percent between 1981 and 2001.
# Fewer arms deals . International arms transfers, in real dollar values, fell by 33 percent between 1990 and 2003. This accompanied a sharp decline in total military expenditure and troop numbers as well.
# Fewer refugees. The number of refugees dropped by some 45 percent between 1992 and 2003, as more and more wars came to an end.
# The longest peace between major powers . The period from World War II to today is the longest interval of uninterrupted peace between great powers for hundreds of years.
# The rise of the United Nations after the cold war. The years since the end of the cold war have seen the related emergence of the United Nations as an effective actor in conflict resolution.
http://www.humansecurityreport.info/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=66
For all the facts and figures.
See, this is the kind of thing I’m talking about. Evidence arises of a plan to kill thousands, and old reliable Steve D. comes up with: “400 billion in Iraq. How much defensive infrastructure will that money buy?”
Steve, buddy, you can’t defend against one guy building a gas bomb in his basement. Its impossible. Can’t be done. Ain’t gonna happen. That’s the base reality of terrorism.
Remember Columbine? Two stoopid teenagers with zero help and zero outside support. Imagine what a couple of reasonably intelligent adults could pull off with Syria feeding them info and supplies.
You can’t defend against such attacks no matter how much money you spend. What you CAN do is destroy regimes that show signs of wanting to give the basement bomber ready-made, high grade gas. Kinda like what Saddam was doing, and what the dorks in Iran are presently doing.
Why hasn’t Iran lit off something in the New York subway? Pictures of Saddam getting yanked out of a hole in the dirt may have something to do with it. Ok, that cost 400 billion. How much did 9/11 cost? Last I heard it was 600 billion. How much is the New York subway system worth?
War’s a bargain, Stevie.
What you CAN do is infiltrate the death cult that is recruiting kids in Toronto, follow it back home to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan and ruin their fund raising, blow up their safe houses, deny them anywhere to hide or plan, make them spend all their time running. Canada in Afghanistan, killing Taliban fighters wholesale. Right thing to do.
But what do we get from Stevie and company? No matter the evidence, no matter the argument, regardless of the results achieved, we get: “Chimpy lied, people died!”
So Stevie, we should wait until -after- the gas attack to get busy?
A couple of things always baffle me when I hear leftists make pronouncements on this whole Iraqi situation.
One the one hand, they adopt this erudite pose that tries to act comtemptuous in respect to views other than their own, coupled with an almost elementary school naivety about tactical and strategic thinking.
Another thing that puzzles me is that the fact never seems to have caught up with them that the American people were only offered two basic plans for confronting our terrorist threat.
One of course is Bush’s approach.
The second was Kerry’s approach. Now Kerry wanted to double America’s special forces contingent (SEAL teams, Marine Recon, Delta Force, Green Berets, Rangers and other various, assorted specialists in covert and guerrilla warfare).
Now obviously, I voted for Bush. However, had Kerry’s direction actually been pursued, it might have had some merits, but would have had huge attendant problems.
With Kerry’s plan, what you are essentially talking about is a secret, covert war out of the public eye, with stonewalling and deniability about its activity.
Selective assassination as intruments of American foreign policy, car bombings, terrorist acts for destabilization of regimes. Chasing terrorists all around the world (which Steve doesn’t like).
So all this would have been very messy. A completely secretive war (you have to understand the nature of special ops) outside of the scrutiny of the press. Outside of judgement from the American public. Outside of Congressional oversight, with the exception of intelligence committees. Off-budget government financing procured through agency bonds, and whatever tricky financing the CIA could come up with.
In other words, Kerry’s plan was about everything that the left purports to hate. I might have been OK with it, since it more or less conforms to dimensions of warfare that are in the parameters of my experience, but I don’t think many on the life would have liked it.
So we have an all-out full-frontal war, our intentions declared, our methods disclosed to the press, our prisoners examined, the world’s spotlight on everything we do, House and Senate oversight on all of our moves.
What the left was trying to push was a complete shadow war.
Greg outside dallas
There are two ways to chase terrorists the “massive attack” on whichever country is handy(ie Iraq) even though no terrorists were there until the massive attack drew them.
The other way would be covert and would entail more cunning and patience the Israelis used it after the Munich olympics to hunt down the terrorists that killed their olympians.
Figure out which one feeds the military industrial complex and you have the American response. As for being public, that is just a joke. There are publicly stated intentions, methods and goals and then there are the real ones(because the world is watching). Oversight? hahahhahahahahahahaha (oversight=0).
There is no left. That is one reason there is no oversight.
Andy Rooney putting a fine point on the war in Iraq: “Ike was right …”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/30/60minutes/main892398.shtml
Steve D. making my point about Iraq for me: “no terrorists were there until the massive attack drew them.”
Yes Steve. That was the point of it. Worked good, eh? Kind of like using a manure pile to draw the flies, and then killing them wholesale.
Added bonus, none of Saddam’s WMDs have been used in America. Such a deal!
The Phantom
You would be right of course, if that were the only consequence. However, as it turns out, the terrorists that they are drawing are only about 10% of the people they are fighting. The rest are Iraqi patriots who believe the US is there for the long haul and they want none of it. You can understand them not wanting to be occupied right?
Steve d, are you serious? Iraqi patriots would not target and kill Iraqi mothers and sons in the marketplace. They would not target and kill Iraqi’s in mosques. They would not target school children. They would not target elected political leaders and judges. The “insurgency” is primarily composed of terrorists, jihadis and Saddamites.
I’m sure you seek comfort in the number of 2500, while the figure of 25,000,000 means nothing. If your “allies” were as “noble” as you would like to think, they could target allied soldiers more effectively. After all, the US military is in uniform and not typically hiding behind the skirts of a civilian population, unlike your heros.
You do know that the CIA probably invented this gas dispersal thing themselves and are now holding it up as some “terror soooper weapon” don’t you?
You see, it’s the timing of this that is suspect. We are coming up on the anniversary of the London subway bombings and now there are suddenly “foiled terror plots” against the NY subway conveniently enough. See? look how well our secret police are protecting you from terror!! You should give us more powers so we can do an even better job of keeping you safe!
Of course a lot of you make life decisions and want laws changed a certain way “because it says so in the bible” so I guess I can’t really blame the sheep-like obedience and acceptance of the “war on terror” lies. 9/11 was a real and terrible event. Much of what has gone on since is nothing more than the powers that be grabbing all that they can by exploiting it.