They Told Me There Wouldn’t Be Any Math

What it looks like when you use real numbers.

Sheldon Yakiwchuk- “BASE RATE FALLACY”, they Screech…

Seriously, one of the most unintelligent conversations going on, with those still clinging to being vaccinated, is the Base Rate Fallacy Claim. Somebody pulled out a Crayola drawing and now it’s so common, you almost get a nosebleed just looking at the ignorance behind it.

Because the pool of ‘Vulnerable to COVID’ was diluted in the vaccine effective metrics by governments coercing a majority of the population into getting a medical treatment for a virus that 99.9x% of the population would have survived without…the people who were complete assholes to everybody else based on their virtue signalling how many jabs they have, they’ve used this completely moronic logic to try and back up this failed claim.

It’s embarrassing and really stupid.

60 Replies to “They Told Me There Wouldn’t Be Any Math”

  1. “they don’t want to admit that they were wrong and never want to apologize for being a complete ASSHOLE to those who realized that they were never at risk from COVID and didn’t want to chance the risks that come with each jab of vaccine.”
    Took the words right out of my mouth.

    1. Have to agree with you, a few people who got the jab so they could travel or continue to work have been reasonable and still talk to me but the majority of the virtue signallers have totally cut off communications. Quite often they were rude about it too. After two years of being hammered by Vax and Mask fanatics its gotten old, to the point were I have dropped some family members from the chat list. Not sure how to heal this since the remorse and contrition has to come from their side, and it has to be honest. Don’t see that happening.

      1. C, when they are dead or so ill from the shots it will not matter. There will be no healing as they are lab rats and just may die from the insanity they embraced.

      2. Both my parents are still true believes in the Power of Pfizer.
        Was visiting them earlier in the month. Mum casually mentioned near the end of the visit that the two of them were getting their NEXT booster the next day.
        I didn’t say anything but must of let slip enough of a look of horror that Mum asked me if I had had mine.
        Managed to change the subject by joking that who could tell these days because there were so many.
        Reasonably sure if they discovered the truth they might ban me from visiting.

        The irony lost on most of the Jab victims is they happily accepted that they needed the Jab so that if they did catch the Dreaded Fauci (Hey – remember when the Jab was going to PREVENT you from catching it??) they will get a ‘mild’ version and hence not be off sick for as long, yet say nothing when the side effects of the jab prevents them from coming into work the next day.

        (also – for the pro Jab people, yes I HAVE had full flu before. Fever. Chills. Shakes. Don’t try and guilt trip me into saying I would regret not getting jabbed when I finally got the Fauci.)

  2. Diamond Princes proved that not everyone was at risk of covid, but both the CDC and pfizer made the assumption that 100% of people would eventually get it.

    the Public Health “Authorities” never bothered to investigate or follow up

    1. JD it was a f–king flu and nothing more. By the way, 100% of everybody gets a cold. No exceptions. The common cold tests as positive for “covid”, now tell me who the hell is lying? It ain’t me.

    2. JD

      Precisely. Note these 2 Ships were 100% Quarantined ~Mid March 2020 or sO

      Diamond Princess: 3600 folks
      Mostly Retired Elderly: 14 Died

      Theodore Roosevelt: 5885 Folks Mostly under 25: 1 died

      Now..was it actually Covid…?? Or was that simply “with” Covid..??

      And how did they test hmmm.??
      RT PCR at likely 35+ cycles.

      THIS entire continuing shitshow has been smoke n mirrors all based on fraudulent testing protocols…to “prove” infection Of a virus that still to date has not been isolated.

      I called Bullshit in Apr 2020…and not a damned thing has occurred to change my mind…NADDA.

      Which has basically shrunk my friend circle to about half a,dozen…None of whom are in my extended family….and I could care less.

      UnVaxxed – Unmasked.

      And it blew my mind that Superstore (was there yesterday), appears to be heavily pushing vaxxination on a 15 min basis..!! Vocally over their public address system…! They will never see me again.

      1. 94 doctors, 26 nurses died in Italy from COVID-19 by April 2020.
        Yet you want people to believe that COVID was “no big deal”.
        The flu does not kill off doctors and nurses.
        COVID was serious but fortunately mutations have made it less of a concern.
        I call bullshit on your attempt pretend that governments did not have good justifications for acting even if some of their actions were counter productive.

  3. Irony. An advertisement from Fat Kenney came up while reading this article. Insists that I get the third dose of the poison jab.

  4. Anyone with math skills who watched, measured, the spread of the virus, and analyzed the hospitalizations and deaths of the time, then compared it with available stats for previous years, knew this was a joke from the get go. I own a business and suffered $10,000 in fines, lost $400,000 in revenue, and was illegally forced shut, despite assurances I was not to be closed by cabinet ministers. Knowing numbers. I knew from the beginning this was kabuki theater on the Potemkin, but I was forced to endure hardships to maintain their narrative. Like being a Christian and forced to use a prayer rug facing mecca. Everything I knew and believed had to be denied. Day after day, more garbage would be spewed, and I would hope that someone, somewhere, would wake the hell up. It never came, even now, they cling to the illusion that they know better and the stats are lying. Hence the usage of the phrase,

    “Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

    1. My big ‘Red Alert’ was they started not with the sickest but the oldest first.
      All other vaccination programs are to protect your youth first as you move up.
      So many different corporations had been given a pass as well as we had so few doses to start with.
      The athletes became ‘Collateral Damage’ as being forced to take it or lose their jobs as well.
      So, it’s not surprising to see so many drop dead now.

      1. Jojo , as an old man I knew the whole thing was bullshit. Folks locked in an environment with the flu will die from many illnesses. Show me the freaking autopsies. Well guess what, they can’t and won’t as any good pathologist could easily prove their lies.

      2. Apropos of nothing but I wonder why hockey players are fine but European soccer players are dropping like flies.

      3. Jojo

        Great point…
        For the elderly, this was euthanization..writ large.

        Lose a million retired Canadians and the Govt gains ~ a million less CPP & OAS payments not sent.

        And I think this was top of mind throughout the Comonwealth countries as well as the EU….

    2. Meanwhile the laptop class didn’t miss a paycheck. All in this together…

  5. If you have two populations to draw from and one population is much larger then a random sample will be dominated by the larger population. This is basic statistics.

    So the absolute number of infections/hospitalizations/deaths means nothing if you want to assess the usefulness of a treatment you need to compare the ratios. In this case, the unvaccinated make up 19% of the hospitalized population but only 12% of the total population which means the vaccine is still effective at reducing hospitalization (the sample size for deaths is too small to provide useful information).

    The higher death rates for boosted people comes from the fact that people who choose to get a booster are most likely higher risk to start with. The proper way to determine the effectiveness of the booster is to look at a sub-population of the unvaccinated with similar risk profiles. But that data was not presented so any presumed conclusion is crap the writer made up.

    Lastly, the feature of omicron is it is spreads faster and it is a lot less deadly which is why people who care about science now agree that it is time for most COVID restrictions to go. That does not mean concerns about the earlier variants we misplaced. The total death statistics make that clear.

      1. I never agreed with lock downs but I have no issue with mandatory masks or social distancing and take a dim view of people that are so selfish that they can’t put up with minor inconveniences, like masks, for the greater good. Quebec’s curfew was complete nonsense from a scientific perspective.

        That said: many businesses would have failed without lock downs because customers would stay away because of COVID fears. So you can’t blame everything on the government (I have not gone to a restaurant or theatre in 2+ years).

        IOW – health authorities are not omniscient gods nor are they Machiavellian devils – they are humans that had to make decisions based on limited information and hind sight shows that some, but not all, of their decisions were overkill. Vilifying them accomplishes nothing other than ensuring the next pandemic will be much worse.

        1. I actually do not believe that most ” health authorities” really made any decisions. Most just followed orders coming from Theresa Tam ( Fauci) and the WHO. None of them did any independent thinking or bothered to question directives they were given. The proposals coming from The Barrington Declaration were infinitely sensible, yet they were not followed. Why not? There is strong evidence that some treatment protocols were highly effective, yet they were not used — or worse, forbidden by ” authorities.” There is no justification for making experimental vaccines mandatory for any group, but ” health authorities” went along with this and still do. I cannot be as forgiving as you are in judging damaging decisions by health personnel. Some are incompetent, but I would go do far as to suggest that quite a few at the very top are downright corrupt.

          1. Right on, Linda! I will go further and say that yes, THEY ARE “Machiavellian devils.” They had to have known exactly what was going on. I knew from day one when they came out with their 95% bullshit claim that it was bullshit. I knew then and there that the 95% claim was RELATIVE Risk Reduction (RRR) and not ABSOLUTE Risk Reduction (ARR). I understood the difference way back when, and I don’t have a science or medical degree.
            For them not to know would lead to the conclusion that they are utter incompetents in their fields, and logic would seem to indicate that a person who has risen to the positions they have achieved cannot possibly be that stupid, despite the Peter Principle. So how is it possible that they COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN, if I KNEW?
            The only explanation I can conclude with is that they (the so-called “experts”) were “following orders,” and I’m sure that they will try to use that defense when they are called to appear before the Nuremburg 2.0 trials.

            Good luck with that.

          2. 1) The federal public health agency is responsible for coordinating responses over the the country. Its decisions were based on feedback it got from the local health authorities. The notion that local health authorities “did nothing” because they followed the advice they helped create is ridiculous.

            2) The Barrington Declaration was not reasonable from the perspective of anyone with an understanding of infectious diseases. Based on what we know now about COVID, any attempt to follow its recommendations would have created a massive spike in infections and deaths. Remember what happened in Italy where doctors and nurses were dying from the first COVID wave. That fact alone made authorities wary of COVID and people trying to pretend that the virus did not kill off healthy people were fooling themselves.

            3) Vaccines in the past got way less regulatory scrutiny than the COVID vaccines received. The polio vaccine was “experimental” and when it was given to 600,000 children in 1954. By 1955 it was approved for widespread use (i.e. no tests for “long term” effects ). Anti-vaxxers are basically arguing that vaccines should never be used because no vaccine could meet their standards for “zero-side effects and 100% efficacy” that anti-vaxxers demand.

        2. Health professionals were given authority over vast areas of the economy for which they had neither the legislative authority nor the knowledge to make the decisions that they made. People familiar with emergency management will tell you that the best response is widen the tent of knowledge, not shrink it. Why are doctors allowed to make decisions that will wreak havoc with supply chains for years when it is obvious that this is well outside the bounds of their expertise? This, more than anything, destroyed the credibility of the health authorities such that in another pandemic no one is going to listen to them at all. What other outcome should anyone expect?

          1. That’s why we elect “leaders”. They are supposed to take on information from disparate and competing interests and make decisions that hopefully balance out or at least do not favour one sector while excluding all others. In this, every one of our “leaders” abjectly failed.

      2. Clubman

        Exactly…nor do I buy Tim’s Comment at all.

        The Vax is designed to kill & maim…nothing else. Anyone buying the utter lie of a 7 month miracle (aka warp speed Vaxxine)…needs their head examined.

        Utter BS.

    1. “which means the vaccine is still effective at reducing hospitalization”
      I’m going to stop you right there. It means no such thing. And if this ‘variant’ is less deadly then why are more people dying in the first 4 months of this year than the last 4 months of last year?

      1. Because they have been vaccinated with the MNRA vaccine and their immune system has been seriously damaged.

        1. As it was DESIGNED TO DO.!!

          They had this shit on the shelf for near 30+ yrs… None of this is “Accidental”
          ffs. Not happening.
          This pandemic was talked about, war gamed and proposed for decades….and We are supposed to believe it came out of some wet market from pangolins n bats..?? In 2019.

          As f’ing if.

          I think Dr David Martin’s expose back in May 2021 was bang on…and the patent history pretty rock solid evidence that this wasn’t just something that came outa the blue.

          FAUCI – DASZAK -BARIC….along with near every swinging dick in the Entire Pharmaceutical, Medical Health Industry

      2. Because COVID deaths go in waves. Look at the deaths over time and you will seek peaks and valleys which no correlation with vaccination rates. You just cherry picked a valley to compare with a peak.

        1. Nope. Your assumption was there are two groups, A and B that Y is the factor. One group gets Y the other doesn’t. Results of group A that didn’t get Y means the Y works for B. That’s garbage. And the wave thing is also garbage. They said the new variant is milder, yet more people are dying today fully vaccinated than at any other time, it would be nice if some one of authority would want to find out why. No cherries here.

          1. COVID waves are a clearly documented fact. An argument that ignores such evidence is not worth much.

            Claiming that one 1) the death rate is higher and 2) vaccines must be the reason is an absurd leap based on no evidence.

            There is a more plausible explanation: omicron is much more contagious so a much larger percentage of the population is getting it. This, in turn, means the absolute numbers of deaths among vulnerable populations will rise. What matters is ratio of fatalities to infections which is lower for vaccinated people and lower for omicron.

          2. “like masks, for the greater good.”
            I didn’t know I was exchanging with a Communist. Now FOAD.

          3. I agree with RedPop, Yak compared the boosted to everyone else including the unvaxxed, 1 jab and 2 jab crowd and the boosted were the worst and had 70%0f the deaths, if you just compared the whole bunch of vaxxed to the unvaxxed the vaxxed had 100% of the deaths in the latest data and still they push the boosters – WTF. Of note is the “Unprotected” who had -1 death, I assume the “Unprotected” are those within 21 days of a jab since it takes away your immune system for that period – which Pfizer has admitted. So if you take the 1 death of the unvaxxed crowd and the -1 death of the unprotected it zeros out doesn’t it, which is why I said all deaths were among the vaxxed – which by Stats Canada data – they were. I think TimG owns share in Pfizer and Moderna. With Omicron which is more infective and less pathogenic – at least in those with innate immunity i.e. the unvaxxed who have had Covid, then why are all the deaths amongst the Vaxxed. The UK data shows waning natural immune response with every dose, not just for Covid but for all diseases which will be a real treat next fall with the natural Flu season won’t it.

        2. So Tim… I’ve been reading your explanations, and I have an honest question: Are you implying that the Vaccine is ineffective against Omicron? If that’s the case, why force people to take jab where the risks outweigh the benefits?

          1. >> If that’s the case, why force people to take jab where the risks outweigh the benefits

            The data shows that benefit of the vaccines is small when it comes to omicron and it is reasonable to argue that mandatory vaccination policies should be reviewed on a case by case basis. And this is basically what is happening today in Canada.

          2. Not exactly an answer to the question “Why FORCE people to take the jab…” but it’ll have to do for now, I suppose.

          1. Kill exactly.

            Tim:
            “…If that’s the case, why force people to take jab where the risks outweigh the benefits.?..”

            Well now sunshine, it’s time for your red pill. Has it not occurred to you that said VAX IS in fact a BIO WEAPON..?? And everything that occurred from Jan 2020 was,ALL TO push the Planet to partake in the “warp speed” Vax…??

            COERCION to the Max..!!
            & Trashing ANYTHING CHEAP that actually worked..???

            All over a Normal Flu.

            Give yer head a shake dude.
            And wake the Fk up.

    2. The fact that there are ANY illnesses and deaths, by those jabbed means one thing only.

      The Quackxines FAILED.

      Medical authorities are either completely incompetent, or are lying sociopaths. We know that politicians are both.

  6. Because they have been vaccinated with the MNRA vaccine and their immune system has been seriously degraded.

  7. If you break this down by age bracket then very different numbers appear and a completely different story unfolds.

    More than 80% of COVID deaths are among people who are of age 70 or more, so it’s worth examining this group in isolation.

    About 97% of those over 70 have had booster shots. If the vaccines are of no use, then we would expect 97% of COVID deaths in this age group to have had booster shots as well. Instead the number is about 70%, which means getting booster shots is massively effective at saving lives.

    By looking at the entire population, most of which are in very little danger of COVID death by dint of their youth, the “97% with booster shots” gets diluted down to 50%. The value of the vaccine to the aged is missed.

        1. The coof is >99% survivable, across the board. Everything else is noise.
          Far more “vaxxed” are dying than un-“vaxxed”. I don’t care about age divisions. They don’t matter. Despite claims to the contrary, the jabs don’t work.
          Fauci has been lying since day 1. He needs to go to hang for crimes against humanity. As has Trudles, Tam, Hinshaw, the Liar Kenney, Henry and every other WEF Covid puppet on this planet. They need to hang, too.

      1. Db

        My thoughts exactly.

        KM explain myocarditis cases in numbers NEVER EVER SEEN before in the 18-40 year crowd…..100% of whom are dble/trpl vaxxed…??

    1. Yak compared the boosted to everyone else including the unvaxxed, “unprotected (TM)”, 1 jab and 2 jab crowd and the boosted were the worst and had 70%0f the deaths, if you just compared the whole bunch of vaxxed to the unvaxxed the vaxxed had 100% of the deaths in the latest data and still they push the boosters – WTF. Of note is the “Unprotected” who had -1 death, I assume the “Unprotected” are those within 21 days of a jab since it takes away your immune system for that period – which Pfizer has admitted. So if you take the 1 death of the unvaxxed crowd and the -1 death of the unprotected it zeros out doesn’t it, which is why I said all deaths were among the vaxxed – which by Stats Canada data – they were. If you want to quibble then its one out of 227 deaths = 99.6% amongst the Vaxxed.

    2. I’m slightly befuddled. You’re saying that the vaccine is MORE effective among the elderly than it has been for the rest of the general population. Is that your position? Am I getting it right?

      So how could a vaccine be smart enough to work on old people but not younger people? Shouldn’t a vaccine have the same level of effectiveness to everyone who takes it?

      I’m honestly trying to figure this out despite my bias, so if there’s an explanation for that, I’m all ears.

    3. I think you are reading a lot into this. If the boosters are effective, how is it that 70% of Covid deaths are boostered? Looks like some survive despite the vaccine. I think you need to know a lot more about the make-up up of the groups ( not just age) to conclude the boosters are helping to prevent deaths.

  8. In my very scientific study, more than 97% of those gung ho to be guinea pigs for Pfizer and Moderna are either too stupid to see the forest for the trees, totally propagandized or in on it.

    1. Time is the great equalizer.
      We shall see the fallout in the years ahead and there will be no hiding it.

      I don’t want to be holding the placard saying ” I told ya so ” but……ya.

  9. I visited a specialist recently and was asked if I had the vax(es). I said no and nothing was made of it. Some doctors know the vax attack was a dubious event. I’m almost 80 and I saw no proof of the claims made by our Health authorities after the “two weeks to flatten the curve” claim expired.

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