A nice large sample size in this one.
The Lancet- Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study
Vaccine effectiveness of BNT162b2 against infection waned progressively from 92% at day 15-30 to 47% and from day 211 and onwards no effectiveness could be detected. Overall, vaccine effectiveness was lower and waned faster among men and older individuals. The effectiveness waned slightly slower for mRNA-1273, being estimated to 59% from day 181 and onwards. In contrast, effectiveness of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 was generally lower and waned faster, with no effectiveness detected from day 121 and onwards. whereas effectiveness from heterologous ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 / mRNA was maintained from 121 days and onwards.
Overall, vaccine effectiveness was lower and waned faster among men and older individuals. For the outcome severe Covid-19, effectiveness waned from 89% at day 15-30 to 42% and onwards, with sensitivity analyses showing notable waning among men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities.
Almost as effective as faith Healing.
A placebo delivered with great conviction can buy a seriously ill person between 6 to 18 months..
One of those weird little quirks of the human mind.
Hell even Jimmy Swaggart saved some…
Does the effectiveness for older men fall off faster because we are such cynics?
Cause the true believers in these “Magic Vaccines” attribute the same miracle status to them ,that traditional snake-oil salesmen would claim.
I don’t think big pharma, politicians or the medical establishment care if the vaccines work or kill us. They seem to be united in forcing a media approved narrative and if you are suffering because of the vaccine in Canada they do not care|? My husband has three mystery rashes, his face is covered and inflamed, his feet are a mess of purple sores, he had a skin graft at two on his right hand for third degree burns, sixty odd years ago, and the grafting is literally falling off. We’ve spent a fortune in medications, potions and lotions and and nothing seems to work. He’s angry at himself for falling for the media approved talking point: The vaccines are safe, I hope at some point we Canadians can sue the medical establishments, doctors, politicians and the media for their outright bald face falsehoods.
How awful. Good wishes for your husband’s health. Hope things improve. We are living in a government imposed nightmare. Yes. I too would lije to see law suite getting underway, and if we can’t sue the pharmaceuticals, how sbout the clinics? Or the government public health prople?
My wife came down with these symptoms after her first Covid vaccination:
– flare up of her autoimmune condition where she had been in remission for two years up until the vaccination,
– headaches every day for two months like she had never had previously,
– swollen and red feet and lower calves, also not something she had experienced before,
– chronic fatigue.
Months later she is much better but will not take the chance on a second shot.
She tried (without much expectation) to get an exemption to the passport type requirements and her situation was peremptorily dismissed. Seems that you have to die to get an exemption.
Rose, Linda, Robert.
Your comments were hard to hear.
Sorry to hear about your spouses.
As for lawsuits, has anyone heard how Rocko G. And other lawyers have been faring?
Note to any lawyers reading this….time to be heroes, or try. Go pro bono. Your reward will be in heaven.
Just think if the child that cried out “The Emperor has no clothes!!!!” had been blind we’d all be running around naked. Well we have a legion of medical practitioners that are willfully blind and the greater part of the population are following along as if they’re following the Pied Piper. Perhaps we’re seeing the Theory of Evolution enacted in front of us, the jab is safe and effective only to those that are too moronically tied to trusting the government. With a bit of luck as some of the scientists have foretold we’ll see a devastating reduction in the willfully ignorant of the population in the next few years. Now that would be a real bonus.
“…and onwards no effectiveness could be detected.”
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Ummmmmmm……
Given the short period of protection from the vaccine, here’s one way I look at the risk/benefit:
-Get covid. The Jonhs Hopkins calculation says someone my age, weight, health and state/province has an absolute mortality rate of 5.1 per 1,000,000 (95% CI). Pretty good odds, a mild disease in most and I only have to recover once to get broad spectrum, long protection with little chance of reinfection. Possibilty of long covid.
-Take a mRNA/viral vector vaccine. These vaccines have had more deaths and injuries than any vaccine in human history. Can’t find a reliable calculation of risk of death or disability for someone with my age and health profile. The shots only protect for 4-6 months and then you have to run the gauntlet of death and disability again each booster. Reinfection rates are higher than natural immunity. Possibilty of long vaccine injury and temporary or permanent impairment of my immune system.
Natural immunity for the win, imo.
Or do you best to avoid getting it, buy time until the vaccines built on traditional tech are out.
100 %
Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response inside our bodies. (From the CDC)
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Ok, for this to be true, Moderna and Pfizer would have to know what that specific protein is….correct? So, why is there no simple blood test available that checks to see if that specific protein is present (and in strength) naturally? Why would they ignore this logical step in prevention? My point is that for many, acquiring the virus may be the actual best step to take. If your natural defenses are sufficient (or beyond sufficient) you’ll likely be asymptomatic, or have minor symptoms….but then natural immunity. It would not surprise me if a vast majority of us have already had the exposure and never knew it for this very reason.
That doesn’t sell “vaccines” is the only reason that makes sense to me.
Yep. Attenuated virus or even protein sub unit vaccines are ones I’d consider…if I had any confidence left in politicians, public health or pharmaceutical companies. Their obsession with turning everyone into spike protein factories and the escalating force to make that happen makes me doubt all covid vaccines. Politicians and public health being lying, authoritarian scumbags for 2 years has consequences.
Besides, one of my teen kids tested positive for covid a couple of months ago. The test results took more than a week to get back to us. In that week I drove her around, gave her hugs and shared a bowl of finger licking good cookie dough remnants while baking. Either she didn’t have it or I’m already immune because the rest of us tested negative.
For those reasons, I’m still leaning towards natural immunity.
You can do no more, and it is not sensible to try, than take usual precautions you do against ‘flu and the cold.
“Or do you best to avoid getting it, buy time until the vaccines built on traditional tech are out.”
It’s my understanding they haven’t even isolated the virus yet. That’ll take time. In addition, 8-10 years to develop & test the traditional vaccine. And, if the virus mutates, will they have to isolate again and start from scratch?
Don’t get me wrong, we need to do something different than these damnable current “vaccines”. I just don’t know if a traditional vaccine is the answer.
Mankind has never successfully vaccinated against a coronavirus before. I suspect that Covid will ultimately not prove the exception to the rule.
Novavax so far is very promising for a traditional vax.
Hi, Bill.
Just read a blurb about Novavax.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/11/26/novavax-developing-vaccine-against-variant-that-appeared-72-hours-ago-will-be-ready-in-two-weeks-already-in-emergency-use-trials-in-indonesia-and-phillipines/
The article claims they’ve isolated the virus. If true, first I’ve heard of that. Second, I have no interest in any treatment that receives emergency use approval. Look where we currently are with the the most recent experiment. This needs to be thoroughly tested over a substantial period of time before I’m even remotely interested.
Frankly, I’m more comfortable with good, old-fashioned horse paste which has a proven, decades-long safety record on humans.
Biker,
Honestly they should have prioritised antivirals over vaccines anyway. That way a real vax gets proper development time.
https://doctors4covidethics.org/the-covid-vaccines-were-designed-to-fail-nov-25th-2021/
“The first mistake was to focus on antibodies rather than cellular immunity (cytotoxic T-lymphocytes) in assessing vaccine efficacy, even though cellular immunity is far more important to antiviral immunity than are antibodies.”
Please, Kate. Nobody here expects such naïveté from you.
WIV staff are working day and night on biological agents of white genocide just in case Sleepy Joe and Emhoff’s Ho are overthrown. They’ll have a poxvirus with survival rates of 50 percent or less ready to go long before anybody develops a safe and effective Wuhan flu vaccine.
Or avoid all vaccines, “traditional” tech or otherwise.
Vaccine science is bullshit, even the Traditional kind, whatever that may mean to you, if Salk has some merit. They all murder and meddle to dissect, to quote Tennyson.
The answer has always been how to ensure you bolster your natural immune system via the means available….infection, recovery, and thus bolstered, coupled with diet, vitamins, and exposure to sunlight, earth, wind and fire.
Be not afraid, and stop running from one medical bromide to another. You are being played.
Ah, you mean the Novavax? My job ends on Monday due to jab status, but I would be willing to risk the Novavax to keep it. They seem to be slow-walking it though. I guess it won’t cull enough of the population for their liking.
That’s where we are. I am waiting for Novavax and Medicago. I think Medicago will be better because it is built on multiple parts of the virus while Novavax is built only on the spike. Novavax also made me very nervous about some of their statements about how they can get a new vax for Omicron in 72 days. That smells funny.
Vaccines seem to stop working, never mind if they work against new mutant viruses.
What does work and maintains effectiveness?
Try Vitamins C, Zinc, and especially Vitamin D. Search for yourself using Duck Duck Go or Startpage. Vitamin D is critical to stopping the COVID Chinese Coronavirus.
Also lose some weight
And then you have this:
https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Vaccine-Covid-Pass-Mandate-Mask.jpg
That says it all
Surprising so many still think this is about vaccines against a disease, rather than what it clearly is – the subjugation of humanity under totalitarian rule.
Covid is the excuse and “vaccines “ are the method to achieve it.
More failures of logic.
From the same paper:
*** This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose. ***
For decades people have accepted the principle that flu shots are a yearly affair. No one says that flu shots are pointless because their effect does not last longer than 12 months. A yearly COVID shot not an unreasonable outcome even though it would have been nice if the vaccines developed in record time had a longer duration.
FTFY. You’re welcome.
My rule of thumb for ‘flu boosters has been “show me an effectiveness rate of above 67%, and I’ll consider it.” In the last ten years, I’ve had a ‘flu booster precisely once. It was also the same season that I subsequently got the ‘flu. Yay boosters.
Got my flu shot this year and within 48h had come down with a pretty bad dose of something. Lingered for about two weeks too. Think I’m done with those shots.
I M … that is what my experience was in the late 1980’s. The company I was working at made it easy to get the shot … brought in a nurse and set up in a conference room several doors down from my office. I would go for a coffee and chat with the nurse when she was between patients and naturally I got the flu shot and immediately got flu like symptoms if not full blown flu within the week … it happened two years in a row and I said “bugger this” and haven’t had a flu shot in over thirty years.
Really only had one bout of flu in Jan 2008 but it was a whopper of a bug and laid me low for about 5 days. I’m sure I had covid in March 2020 and it wasn’t all that bad …. the chills were annoying at night and the muscle aches were bad too but the sore throat and congestion were nothing more than those of a normal cold.
Unfortunately if I want to ski this season I need to be vax’d and so shot number two is tomorrow. Very annoyed that I was forced / blackmailed into getting the jab or I miss the ski season.
I think both flu and covid vaccines are likely worthwhile for the high risk group ie in Alberta the average age of those dead of covid is 78 so the old and those with serious illnesses … for the general population not so much.
Sorry stewartpid, the shots are not good even for us old farts. They are as dangerous or more dangerous to us than to young people.
Not accepted by me – have never taken a flu shot and never will.
I stopped the flu shots a few years ago after never seeming to realize any benefit from them.
From Scott Alexander:
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted
Everyone was wrong about ivermectin.
Health officials condemned ivermectin as a useless and even dangerous treatment for COVID-19. The media smeared the well-known and commonly used anti-parasitic drug as a “horse dewormer,” even though it has always been a human medicine as well. They mercilessly mocked people who thought the drug might help them.
But it turns out ivermectin can actually help certain people fight off COVID-19, according to science writer Scott Alexander.
In a lengthy blog post , Alexander took a deep dive into all available studies on ivermectin and whether it works against COVID-19. It’s worth reading in full, but I’ll highlight his main point: Ivermectin does work, albeit indirectly, especially in areas where parasitic and intestinal worms are common.
There’s a reason the most impressive ivermectin studies came from parts of the world where worms are prevalent, he says. Parasites suppress the immune system, making it more difficult for the human body to fight off viruses. Thus, getting rid of worm infections makes it easier for COVID-19 patients to bounce back from the virus.
If Alexander’s hypothesis is correct, he’s also right that everyone who hastily jumped to a conclusion about ivermectin was wrong. Ivermectin is not the COVID-19 cure that some made it out to be, but it’s also not useless in the fight against COVID-19 either. It does have some benefits — they’re just minimal and far less effective than other therapeutics, such as monoclonal antibody treatments.
“Experts” deserve much of the blame for ivermectin disinformation. Most of them refused to entertain the possibility that ivermectin might help COVID-19 patients. I’d be surprised if even one official in the Food and Drug Administration or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention took the time to evaluate the data like Alexander did before publicly declaring it didn’t work.
It is also worth considering why so many people convinced themselves that ivermectin was a COVID-19 super-drug. Alexander argues that ivermectin fanaticism is connected to anti-vax sentiment in the sense that both are wacky pseudoscience beliefs to which certain people are attracted.
But there’s a much simpler explanation: Many of the same people who were drawn to ivermectin are wary of the COVID-19 vaccines because they are skeptical of the public health consensus in general. They see health officials stressing and, in some cases, mandating vaccination and are repelled by this. They see health officials rejecting ivermectin and other COVID-19 treatments as nonsense and are drawn to them. Their beliefs aren’t so much an embrace of pseudoscience as they are a flat rejection of an authority that has failed them.
Alexander gets at this point here:
In a world where scientists seemed like hostile aliens, I would hesitate to take the vaccine. Again, ivermectin optimism isn’t exactly like vaccine denialism – it’s a less open-and-shut question, you can still make a plausible argument for it. But it’s some of the same people and follows the same dynamics. If we want to make people more willing to get vaccines, or less willing to take ivermectin, we have to make the scientific establishment feel less like an enclave of hostile aliens to half the population.
The problem with this is much of the scientific establishment seems to want to come across as, to borrow Alexander’s phrase, hostile aliens. They don’t care whether the public trust their guidance or not. If they did, it would not have taken a science blogger to get to the bottom of what was happening with ivermectin. The CDC and FDA, the people who literally get paid to research these kinds of things, should have done that months ago.
Scott’s not the first one to notice a potential connection between Ivermectin administration and the eradication of worms that might be interfering with the operation of our immune systems. The interesting thing is, even in so-called “advanced Western democracies,” there are probably a surprisingly large fraction of people with parasites that are interfering with immune function. If true, then a short course of Ivermectin for everybody would seem to be prudent, followed by more pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical interventions for those individuals who are at elevated risk.
But we won’t do that, because the treatment you “believe” in has become a marker for your philosophical/political convictions.
Humans really can be scumbags some days.
Have a.listen to one who knows intimately WTF is and has for decades, Been going on…
Dr Judy Mikovits
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y1ngxsOFavNh/
Great Advice:
Never take another Vaccine
Never wear a mask again….
Done….!! (And share the he’ll outa this)
Steakman, I read the “disgraced” [read: stitched up] Mikovits’ book Plague of Corruption. She had the early full scoop on Tony Fauci. Now reading the essential book by RFK Jr. The Real Anthony Fauci..
S T U N N I N G. Mafia!
My whole life I’ve ridiculed anti-vaxxers.
I’m very close to being one now.
Can this be true? In the US there are 69 vaccines on the children’s vaccine list.
The vaccine issue is puzzling. In our lifetimes, vaccines have been sacrosanct. You are not supposed to question them. But the clear damage being done by the Covid vaccines also causes me to start thinking more broadly about vaccine safety. I would like to get my hands on the film “Vaxxed.” There is an unsettling correlation between the increase in vaccinations given and the incidence of autism — which is shocking at this point. There have been nasty stories about children killed in Africa by vaccinations (a scandal around a measles vaccine if I recall and more recently a polio outbreak caused by vaccines), millions paid out in the US for vaccine injury, and a few years ago in Japan, they stopped giving vaccines to infants and crib deaths vanished. I think vaccines are being exploited for financial gain, and all are not safe. Time to take a closer look at vaccine safety.
My neighbour down the street always had a bit of arthritis in his back. After he got double jabbed his immune system started attacking the bones in his spine. Doctors have no idea why and have no treatment to offer him because steroids are barely slowing it down. In five months he has gone from an active golfer, fisher, and gardener to a shell of himself, humped over, barely able to walk even with his walker, in terrible pain all the time while his immune system eats away his spine. His wife confessed to me in tears the doctors have told her he will likely not make it to spring. But it is time for the booster jab.
The anti vaxers are an angry bunch. They post bogus statistics and word of mouth, a friend of a friend had a bad reaction. Let’s review facts.
Mac Parhar got Covid, took Ivermectin and died. He filmed it BTW. Mark Friesen, the big mouth PPC candidate almost died. Nurses, Doctors and big Pharma saved his sorry ass. The majority of people in Sask. ICU are UNVACCINATED. Period. Do you understand that little statistic. There has not been any athletes in North America professional sports that the vaccine has killed. CFL. NFL, MLB, NBA, and the NHL. The majority of these athletes, over 90 percent have been vaccinated. These athletes are a hell of a lot smarter than you. And yet there seems to be some big conspiracy to get you. Let me be very honest, you are not important. Only in your own little mind you think the world is out to get you.
“Let me be very honest,”
Oh boy D.J,don’t try that at home..
Honesty and truth can act like poison to the enslaved.
Keep up the good work,your rage seems to indicate you might be learning something..
Other than your mindless support of an Authoritarian State,what is it to you how other people think or act?
What are you threatened by,that keep you ranting here?
Myself I see a threat,of society gone mad,Mass Hysteria and stupid little Maolings demanding all must obey..
Obey the dictates of their unreasoning fear.
Hysterical Terror.
Submit to a non-solution to an imaginary problem or else!
Past history indicates a bloodbath of murder by State Minions will follow.
Hows that working out for you?
Do you believe that whatever society emerges from this State excess is going to be worth supporting?
Ever study any history?
As for your certitude of the Magic vaccines effectiveness.
How come so many Medical Staff,who were heroes for working through all of 2020 with no vaccine and massive public fear are now monsters who must be fired for refusing to submit to the magic Goo?
Are they now “Angry anti vaxers”?
“Self important idiots”?