A Nanos poll says Canadians, more women than men, back Trudeau’s idea of a handgun ban. What do front line cops say?
“There’s no way in my world or any world I know that this would have an impact on somebody who’s going to go out and buy an illegal gun and use it to kill another person or shoot another person,” McCormack said.
More here, including ideas that might actually deal with criminals.
Enforce the law.
The police union is right – a ban is impossible.
Go after the gangs
Nanos poll- making shit up…. to suit agenda.
When did polls come to replace VOTES? Put the issue to VOTE, and end the never ending poll-shit.
Just another piece of evidence that says women should never have been given the vote.
Women’s suffrage, was the beginning of the end for western civilization. I just hope Trudeau’s supporters like the world they vote for.
To quote Penn Gilette, ‘Legislating insane laws, attempting to stop insane people, doing insane things with guns, is….INSANE. Laws need to be enacted with sober debate and reflection, not knee jerk reactions that get us nowhere, and will make no difference to the gun crime problem. Again, the Liberals think it’s far more important to look like they are doing something, rather than actually making a difference. By definition, criminals do not obey laws!
– And your point would be… ? And do you imagine the Liberals don’t know this?
The only thing they care about is “49% of Canadians like the idea”. It’s suckering for votes in Toronto and Quebec, is all it is – and they could CARE LESS that they are egregiously lying to the voters for partisan vote-grabbing (Goodale: “50% of criminal handguns are bought legally…” StatsCan and CFC: “We don’t actually track those statistics…” So where’d Ralph Goodale get them? PIDOHA, and since the statistics aren’t tracked, just try to prove him wrong!) and trampling the property rights of law-abiding Canadians (Allan Rock: “Confiscation does not imply compensation”; British North America Act: “Oh yes it does”). All they care about is votes – and to HELL with anything else, including Canadian law – they can always change that after the fact, they’ve done it before.
Get on the stick, everybody – bombard Andrew Scheer with demands he take the Liberals to task. Paul Martin tried this, Shiny Potato is trying this, and the Liberals won’t stop until they pull it off. And it won’t affect crime in Canada the slightest little bit – but the Liberals (and I’m beginning to fear, Scheer and the Conservatives) don’t care about that either.
Why not take guns away from criminals first?
“Why not take guns away from criminal first?”
Because THEY won’t give them up easily, and have the money to buy good lawyers, unlike the average law abiding gun owner who can be bankrupted by the process.
As a cop, would you rather go into gangland Toronto and take away the guns from drug dealing gangstas or go to the house of sixty year old white guy whose never broken a law in his life, and still has a regular job to go to in the morning?
“gun owner who can be bankrupted by the process.”
Firearm owner insurance. Get it.
A Nanos poll and we trust it to be accurate, ya right! Wonder if they asked anyone outside of specific areas in Toronto.
Ohh Canaduuuhhh i am glad i dont live in Canada the who place is going to hell in a handbasket
Err…… correction. And I speak as someone who lives in Toronto.
Not “going to hell” rather “gone to hell”. Depending where you are in Toronto you could be in China, India, the ME or Africa. The only place you WILL not be is in Canada.
And if you utter anything, just a hint, just an observation that the rubbish on the street or the gang violence or the occasional Muzzie bomb plot is not great well then it is the Hate Crime Tribunal for you.
And if you think paying border jumping refugees more than the average pensioner is not nice well then you’ll have to answer to the Low IQ Fop directly. Fop Trudeau will not like it.
Express Handbasket, no stops.
I fully expect the imbecile PM to ask the opinion of the equivalent police union chief from Montreal.
And then say, “we’ve done our work” … as the Liberals haven’t many votes to lose on the prairies anyways.
And then when gangsters continue to kill others, he’ll blame Trump.
It will work. Our national expert on quantum computing says so. After all, hasn’t our national deficit been balanced all by itself?
People who think that they should have a say in what their fellow citizens should be allowed to own through the coercive power of the state are moral cowards channeling their inner totalitarian. A non-coward would take it upon themselves to disarm someone they believed to be a threat preemptively. That would take guts and more importantly, much more thought, evidence, cause, etc. as it might not go down so well. They might even have to attempt to discern the difference between a law abiding gun enthusiast and a criminal. I guess that’s crazy talk as we are flooded with professional progressive politicians pimping hysteria and the votes that go with their existence so as with 90% plus of legislation and regulations, tyranny will increase and liberty will be lost . The Road to serfdom is paved with moral cowardice.
Nanos poll, and their credibility drops even further.
Another rigged liberal poll meant to show fake support for what they intend to do to the public anyway.
all together now, at the top of your voices, THERE AIN’T NO CURE FOR STUPID.
Banning handguns is a terrible stupid idea, and so are Lilley’s ideas. “Tough on crime” has been done to death in the US with nothing to show for it but destruction. Mandatory minimums are particularly odious as they violate due process. The US is moving away from them and paid bail for that matter.
The drug gang violence ends when drugs are legalized.
unDork
“The drug gang violence ends when drugs are legalized.”
and what crimes do you think those poor dears will shift too????
Kriste you are one stupid MoFo
California is moving away from bail, but California is Canada with Mexican food and more sunlight. Which states are moving away from mandatory minimums?
Oklahoma is reigning in its insane sentencing with a referendum (it passed) and some moves from the governor. Then again, living in Oklahoma is its own sentence: http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/18/voters-get-a-chance-to-reverse-decades-o
Another state: all of them. There seems to be some movement to at least prison reform and even sentencing reform which is incredible given the insanity of this admin: https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/02/the-white-house-is-moving-forward-on-cri
Follow up poll question should have been : Do you think banning legal ownership of handguns will reduce gang members access to handguns?
It would show how many people just don’t like handguns and therefore don’t want any civilians to legally own them compared to anti-handgun people who think a ban will reduce gun crime.
Maybe, like the old west, ban handguns within Toronto city limits. Why should a hunting/fishing guide in the Yukon be denied self-protection because of out of control gang crime in Toronto?
b’dee b’dee b’deeaah – that’s all folks! shiny potatoe thinks this is a cartoon…. one more lesson in reality not yet grasped. i cannot express how disappointing it is to have the legitimate leader of my canada direct such nonsense. his good intentions are paving the road to hell. i detest everything that made this possible!
Good intentions????? GOOD INTENTIONS???? That prick has no good intentions!!
I read some comments from some people in denial that Scheer should get on this and start shouting from the rooftops.
Kind of funny that people still think Scheer is there for anything other than to ensure continued Liberal rule.
To help ensure that Toronto gets what they want, good and hard; I agree. THERE SHALL BE NO LEGAL HANDGUNS INSIDE TORONTO CITY LIMITS.
Anyone you see with a handgun, will be breaking the law. The army, the police, ANYONE.
Well, it could work.
The City of Burnaby (where Jagmeet Singh’s about to seek an MP’s seat) has signs as you come into the city declaring,”This City is a Nuclear Weapons Free Zone”.
In all my years in B.C., I have yet to see or hear of a nuclear weapon in Burnaby.
Note – Nanos is not an objective, impartial polling company. Their poll on supply management on August 21, 2018 could be used as a model for a manipulative, unprofessional poll question. Obviously, they’re willing to be bought and will promote political and/or activist interests. If they’re willing to be this unethical when designing a poll question, how could anyone trust any aspect of their polling technique. I’d be hesitant to accept any Nanos poll as unbiased or honest.
QUESTION – As you may know, supply management is a system by which Canada’s dairy, poultry, and chicken farmers work to ensure a stable supply of their products, lessening price fluctuations, while ensuring a stable income for Canadian farmers. Do you support, somewhat support, somewhat oppose or oppose the general objectives
of this system?
Nanos doesn’t appear to have the close connections to the LPC that, for instance, Abacus has, but somewhere in the background you can almost guarantee the company has connections to The Establishment in Canada.
Nik Nanos, the founder has quite a decent resume, though. He served as 69th President of the Rideau Club, which was founded by John A. MacDonald.
I’d like to see if there’s a photo of him at the Chretien/Desmarais wedding a few years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Nanos
In certain professions your reputation as an honest broker is your primary asset. A polling company is one of those. Now, whenever I hear “a poll by Nanos…”, I’ll think of that torqued SM poll question and disregard their poll results. That question was not an innocent mistake or debatable error, it was a deliberate attempt to evoke a specific result. Then to trumpet those results like they were accurate and reliable. Awful decision.
Yeah, the hand gun ban is working so well in Chicago ……….. NOT
Chicago’s ban died in McDonald v. Chicago (2010). The end of that ban has neither hurt nor helped.
Chicago isn’t that dangerous: https://reason.com/archives/2018/08/13/the-truth-behind-chicagos-violence
Then go there.
“The drug gang violence ends when drugs are legalized”
Right on.Because EVERYONE knows that once the gangs can’t make money on drugs they will all line up for real honest jobs.
This rediculous line of thinking astounds me.
Well, yeah. The money’s gone and the black market is gone. Anything they do will be far less profitable. Not much to fight over.
When Prohibition ended, the Mafia went into prostitution, loan sharking, and heroin. Criminals have to be criminals.
They would have gone into those things anyway.
“Criminals have to be criminals.”
This is so dumb it’s not even wrong.
Being in denial about how the world works is what makes Unme such a LOLcow.
You and “Moviebob” Chipman would be on the same page with your sheltered stupidity and hatred of anyone who voted for Trump.
More women than men, huh? Yup, truly shocking that Canadian women are this dumb.
WARMINGTON: Our summer of murder
“…August 2017 compared to the last of this month, reveals a startling reality.
By this time last year Toronto had 35 homicides. This year, Toronto has endured 70 homicides.
Double…
…We’ve seen that killers’ bullets and blades can take out people inside restaurants, nightclubs, condos, on the streets and outside shopping malls. In parking lots and playground, too.
Guns, knives, blunt objects — murderers don’t care.
The 70 homicides in 2018 only tell part of the story. As bad as 70 sounds — even before the eighth month of 2018 is over — there’s another number that is even more shocking.
Guess how many homicides there have been from August 2017 to the end of this month: 105 killings.
The city blew by the 100 mark last week without anybody even noticing.
Of Toronto’s 105 homicides in the past 12 months, 42 remain unsolved. ”
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-our-summer-of-murder?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1535665919
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L- Faith Goldy, running for Toronto Mayor, says Toronto’s murder rate now exceeds that of
New York City. The MSM has an almost total blackout on her as a candidate.
Not much wonder, can’t allow outing Liberal politician& judges, whose decisions have diversified the city. From Toronto the Good 25-30 years ago into Toronto, the 3rd world drug gangsta war zone.
Notice, current mayor, John Tory isn’t bragging about the murder rate jump, nor about the 60 percent clearance rate under his watch(was around 80 percent before P.C./Lib. gun control).
Proverb- “He, who runs the streets, runs the town.”
Tough on peaceful Canadian gun owners, soft as a kitten on gangstas. Gun control is to a gangsta as catnip is to a kitten. Makes them feel warm and safe all over.
IOW, there still is no crisis, regardless the fear-mongering from Sunholes. Toronto is still a very safe town; crime is still very low. Praire cities and towns tend to be much worse.
Here is one Police Commissioner who got the immigrant message.
https://gellerreport.com/2018/09/migrants-attack-police-commish-home.html/
I blame our courts with their ridiculous clearance rate on crimes. Years go by with every arrest before the trial is held, then months go by before a punishment decision is made. In the Danforth shooting by the muslim Hussain 42kg of Carfentanil were turned up along with 31 handguns at the place he stayed. What happened to this weapon of mass destruction where it is estimated billions, yes billions of lethal doses could have come from this staggering amount of drugs?
The 42 Kg tested positive for Carfentanil. That does not mean it is pure Carfentanil.
a BS poll… nothing from NANOS is valid anymore. They stopped trying to gauge public opinion a long time ago in favour of influencing public opinion. Simply done, just sample more Liberal and urban people for your survey.
It boggles my mind how Liberals think it’s a better strategy to go after guns than it is to go after the criminals. The analogy would be to try and implement prohibition of alcohol to eliminate drunk driving.