So Kinder Morgan is holding a conference call: it says the events of the last 10 days confirmed its view that the Trans Mountain investment may be untenable #cdnpoli
— David Ljunggren (@reutersLjungg) April 18, 2018
@ezralevant — “So they didn’t like the Trudeau-Notley plan to nationalize their property?”
Meanwhile, in France…
I truly believe that Justin Trudeau is going to complete what his father could not – the separation of Western Canada minus British Columbia. I live in Saskatchewan, our trade is North-South. I have also lived for 25 years in Toronto and Ottawa. People in Ontario could care less about the West – for them, even Sudbury, Sault Ste. Marie and the cities North of Superior are part of the West.
As much as I try to avoid Southern Ontario when ever I am there I get the feeling that they think Southern Ontario is Canada. Anything not Southern Ontario is the realms that are to be ruled over like naughty children. Yes all of PM Harper’s hard work of re-establishing Canada as a Confederation is quickly going down the tubes with stupid people who voted for imbeciles and a severely outdated mentality whether in Ottawa, or Edmonton or Victoria. Socialism has the same disastrous effect where ever it is tried.
“People in Ontario could care less about the West”???
I disagree, I believe they could NOT care less about the West because they do not care about the West at all.
Separation is the only answer and for what ever reason no Western politician wants that.
Are there any realistic western separation parties?
I’ve looked but can’t find one.
Lots of us care, but certainly we are the minority. I’ve been to coast to coast to coast. Many who don’t, ironically, spend a lot of time south of the border.
Good oh eh. Stupid Canadians voting to kill their country. It does not get much dumber than this. Now how many times on this site have I said Canadians are stupid? Even the smart ones will not dispute me. Canada needs to cease to exist. America as well if they follow the left down the garden path.
Agreed. I’ve lived all my life in Canada, but never anywhere where maple trees grow wild. The emblem on our flag shows where the Liberals think is Canada, Liberal Canada is where the maples grow (and the rest of the country doesn’t matter).
The Vivian Krause tweet thread in the linked Ezra thread deserves a post of its own. Great thread
Vivian Krause twitter
https://twitter.com/FairQuestions/status/986003617147633669
Stay tuned…..
Socialists, socialize.
The meetings with the the two Socialist premiers and the Socialist Prime Minister are going precisely according to plan. Drive out the private companies, bankrupt them through placing as many road blocks in their way through legislation, policies and procedures, then add in carbon taxes and environmental risk assessments which are unattainable moving goal posts. That way, governments (the people) can own the businesses, supplying high paying union jobs to all the government workers and everyone will be happy!!
This is exactly how socialism works, create the crisis and the solution. Problem solved and money and guaranteed work for everyone (so long as you are a government employee).
Spot on!
Trudeau is not just a dimwitted buffoon…he is a dangerous, dimwitted buffoon.
And when the pipeline doesn’t get built, SockBoy will shrug his shoulders, say “Not my fault, I tried.”, and blame it all on Horgan’s obstructionism .
“Problem solved and money and guaranteed work for everyone”
Yup, Venezuela sure solved their problems this way
The Hegelian Dialectic … A synopsis
Problems are a means to power for those that promote them. (Never let a good crisis go to waste – Rahm Emanuel)
Comment:
A process by which virtually all change is being driven today. Significantly, it is the tool of choice used by clever politicians to manipulate others to accept change where ordinarily it would be outrightly refused.
The Hegelian Dialectic is a critical process by which “planners” contrive a problem, anticipating in advance the reaction to the purported crisis and conditioning us to change that is “essential”. Once the target audience is properly conditioned, the desired agenda is presented as the only solution. The solution is not intended to solve the problem, but rather to exacerbate (but not solve) an existing one and then to serve as the basis for a solution (translate new problem.)
When the newly inflamed difficulty reaches the planned point of a crisis, it becomes the foundation upon which arguments will be made for even more change. Hence, once begun, the process is repeated, over and over, inexorably moving toward whatever end the planners have in mind.
As the process is being driven, arguments are created both for and against certain measures of change, but all discussion is carefully controlled.
The presented solutions — each with varying levels of adornment — are then publicly “debated” by the manipulators or their minions. This is done until a perceived compromise has been reached on the best measures to take enroute to solving the crisis.
Then the outcome of the “debate” — which purportedly balances the concerns of the stakeholders with the contrived mandate to do something — is enacted as policy.
We have all been profoundly impacted by use of the Hegelian Dialectic in the effective neutralization of meaningful dialogue in the formulation of policy.
Once we understand how the Hegelian Dialectic is used by planners, we can thwart their machinations by refusing to be swayed by their sophistic fear-mongering and by standing firm against senseless (and expensive) processes.
I’m sorry … HOW did PM Sockeye get to France? On an battery-powered jumbo jet? A wind powered schooner? What do these “alternative energy “ shills do for brains?
Their ONLY course of action is to … “necessarily INCREASE the $COST of fossil fuels”. Enjoy your decline, Canada … enjoy … your … decline
same model as obama, “Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” (January 2008)
Maybe he flew there on fairy wings.
Perhaps if they changed their name to Khadr Morgan.
love that, truly lol
Or Khadr Morneau?
Kinder has all the money it needs to complete the project. They issued equity and had their credit facilities in place since last summer. A bond take-out of the bank debt at some point won’t be a concern. This is not about money – it’s about whether they are going to throw another $1 billion into this only to be told to stop 10% of the way in.
It’s also not clear at all what AB buying this project does. AB buying it guarantees nothing. AB cannot ensure the courts uphold the permitting, etc. AB cannot build it. AB cannot run it. And there are hug costs and liabilities associated with the project. Why are AB taxpayers shouldering that when there is perfectly legit company with the wherewithal to do it? This is all insane.
The SCC just confirmed that it’s illegal to transport beer across provincial boarders. The fix was in from the start and the supremos only agreed to hear the challange to reaffirm existing laws.
Cheap beer will only exist in quebek.
Having said that it’s little wonder Canada can’t get a pipeline built if we can’t bring a few cases of cheap beer home.
Now that KM has said the situation is untenable what’s notley going to do? Call KM into the principles office and read them the riot act? Or maybe pass a law and take them over like her buddy
Castro would do.
Yeah that’s it, Red puts on her fire proof coveralls and her hard hat. She’ll build that GD pipeline with taxpayers money. Behind schedule and over budget.
What’a country!
The only way forward, is out. But, to few see it. Canada will always be run by Quebec, and Quebec will always be giving the west the Salmon Arm salute. I think the biggest fools on the continent come here to post, always saying ridiculous crap like “we can save Canada”, “we can reform Canada”, “if only we just change who runs the government”, “the Parliament buildings are a monument for all of us, and we should be proud”.
How has that worked out for you? We have had prime ministers from Alberta and Saskatchewan; what did that change? Did Harper end the CBC? Did Dief? Did we stop sending money to Bombardier? Did Winnipeg get a fighter maintenance contract? Did the gun registry actually go away? Did the government fire a million people and strip them all of defined benefit pensions? Anything?
Canada cannot be reformed. Can’t be saved. Heck, Canada has been a failed state since the first Trudeau. The financial black holes of Toronto, Quebec, Vancouver, … have already guaranteed hyper inflation at some point, that the Canadian dollar will disappear. The only decision to make, is whether you are going to stick around and participate in the hyperinflation, civil disintegration, and mass starvation that is a certainty at this point.
The west can get out now, or we can wait around for the full Venezuela. Any other decision you think you are making is hilarious. City idiots, citiots, have already been the death of confederation.
‘Tropic Thunder’:
Kirk Lazarus: Everybody knows you never go full retard.
Tugg Speedman: What do you mean?
Kirk Lazarus: Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, ‘Rain Man,’ look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sho’. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, ‘Forrest Gump.’ Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and he won a ping-pong competition. That ain’t retarded. He was a goddamn war hero. You know any retarded war heroes? You went full retard, man. Never go full retard. You don’t buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, “I Am Sam.” Remember? Went full retard, went home empty-handed.
For al long as I have been alive, the west has been in full denial about the reality of Canada. We are not going to win the grammy, or oscar, or the gold, or whatever it is you think we are going to win by sticking it out.
Pretty much agree with your take. i was part of Reform and that was my last kick at the can. CPC wonders why I don’t work for the riding anymore, donate and let my membership lapse.
Bottom line if AB was serious they would have acted by now with a valve shutoff. Feds could have acted by now as well. Shut their transfers off. SCC is a dodge. This is a political process. All the ‘bleating’ is laughable.
Yes; “if they were serious, ××××× would already have been done by now”. Sums it up perfectly.
If Notely was serious, if Moe was serious, we would never hear public announcements about what is possible; we would only see riots about gas prices in Vancouver after it had already been executed. There would be no press conferences, just a toll gate on the #1 at the BC Alberta border, erected quickly and with zero fanfare.
By their actions we can judge them; no matter what name they call themselves, there is only the Canada Party. No Sask party, no united conservatives, no NDP, no Liberals… just one party.
I never thought Justin Trudeau was that good at the “drama teacher/performer”, but clearly he must be,,,,considering so many people in this country actually believe he wants the Kinder Morgan pipeline built.
Let me clear,,,
JUSTIN TRUDEAU DOES NOT WANT THE PIPELINE BUILT !!!
That quickly arranged Sunday morning meeting that Trudeau had with former pipeline protester Rachel Notley and Green Party puppet, John Horgan had nothing to do with getting a pipeline built, but had everything to do with, “how do the three of us, get out of this political mess,,,, and save face, with those that voted for us last election”.
I believe the answer the three of them agreed to, and the answer most every politician/political party try to use when an uncomfortable decision needs to be made is,,,,Put It In The Hands of The Courts ! Let the Courts decide, so we’re not stuck with the blame.
The three of them know, that if it ever reached the Supreme Court, stacked with liberal leaning judges, they’d get the ruling they all want, No Pipeline !
John Horgan looks good to his supporters, as he fought it All The Way,,,, and WON, to have the pipeline stopped. Could lead to him re-election without the help of Greens.
Rachel Notley looks to have tried to get the pipeline built to her detractors, and to her supporters,,,,they knew she never really wanted the pipeline built in the first place.
Justin Trudeau will have looked as though he tried his best to get the pipeline built, but the courts decided it wasn’t meant to be, so it was out of his hands. The downturn in Canada’s economy won’t be Justin’s fault, after all, he tried to keep the oil flowing, and the oilfield workers jobs. Justin will revel in the International relief that the pipeline won’t be built, and the dirty Tar Sands will remain in the ground.
See,,,,all three,,,,can come out of this,,,,winners. That’s how politics work.
The airhead in Ottawa is of course following the instructions of his handlers.
He is severely incapable of understanding of his own actions.
He is basically living in a drama play that has sort of an open end.
The aim of the handlersis global control of the masses.
Because they know and the masses don’t. What they know is of no concern to the masses.
Do you think that the socialist aristocracy is interested in what you think?
One could sense that they are positively sure that masses have no capacity to think.
So they do it for you and everybody lived happily ever after.
I never thought Justin Trudeau was that good at the “drama teacher/performer”, but clearly he must be,,,,considering so many people in this country actually believe he wants the Kinder Morgan pipeline built.
Let me clear,,,
JUSTIN TRUDEAU DOES NOT WANT THE PIPELINE BUILT !!!
That quickly arranged Sunday morning meeting that Trudeau had with former pipeline protester Rachel Notley and Green Party puppet, John Horgan had nothing to do with getting a pipeline built, but had everything to do with, “how do the three of us, get out of this political mess,,,, and save face, with those that voted for us last election”.
I believe the answer the three of them agreed to, and the answer most every politician/political party try to use when an uncomfortable decision needs to be made is,,,,Put It In The Hands of The Courts ! Let the Courts decide, so we’re not stuck with the blame.
The three of them know, that if it ever reached the Supreme Court, stacked with liberal leaning judges, they’d get the ruling they all want, No Pipeline !
John Horgan looks good to his supporters, as he fought it All The Way,,,, and WON, to have the pipeline stopped. Could lead to him re-election without the help of Greens.
Rachel Notley looks to have tried to get the pipeline built to her detractors, and to her supporters,,,,they knew she never really wanted the pipeline built in the first place.
Justin Trudeau will have looked as though he tried his best to get the pipeline built, but the courts decided it wasn’t meant to be, so it was out of his hands. The downturn in Canada’s economy won’t be Justin’s fault, after all, he tried to keep the oil flowing, and the oilfield workers jobs. Justin will revel in the International relief that the pipeline won’t be built, and the dirty Tar Sands will remain in the ground.
If the pipeline does get built, it’ll be partially owned by government, and what good NDPer or Liberal wouldn’t want that!
See,,,,all three,,,,can come out of this,,,,winners. That’s how politics work.
Concurrence.
But what they have selected as the only outcome does not account for all possible outcomes.
What if KM has already decided to pull the plug?
How does that square with “the pipeline will be built”?
Who gets blamed?
The answer to that one is anyone that’s opposed to any pipeline and the one person that had the responsibility of upholding the law and allowed this to come to pass.
“..
He is severely incapable of understanding of his own actions..”
uh…no, he knows EXACTLY what he is doing….every action is calculated on the percentage of damage it can do to the West and the country as a whole. Remember: “Canada is a Post National State”
He is 100% in the pocket of Power Corp and Soros with a Nod to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Back in ’81 some guy from Med Hat, actually talked/did put out a contract on PETS head…it is sad that was never taken up. Tinkerbell in my opinion, needs to end just like Nicolae Ceaucescu did…on a meat hook.
Long overdue for a “Clear Question” in Alberta/Sask….Jason.????
I think Power Corp is out of the equation. Remember that Chretien and the Demarais family have substantial investment in Total S.A. which was an investor in the oil sands. That is worthless now thanks to the Sock Boy.
Canada continue to circle the drain that leads to Venezuela. This however is good news. This will only hasten the breakup of the chattel nation known as Canada into an independent republic that elects it’s own leaders, runs it’s own affairs, and its not the personal property of a family of foreign congenital retards.
Interesting ruling from the SCOC this morning with their ruling on inter-provincial trade. If a Canadian can’t buy beer and wine in one province and transport it to another province then perhaps the court has just opened up a whole trainload of worms. This could possibly mean that Alberta can turn the taps off on gasoline and other products coming from Alberta into B.C. and there maybe a whole lot of people that are going to be absolutely livid when that happens.
I hadn’t read your post before my post, but it’s an interesting conundrum, eh? Unfortunately this stuff only runs one way with current group think. Our Group makes the Rules, you just shut up & pay, capisch?
We can’t interrupt the flow of CASH to our overseers, especially on that Milch Cow perception, anywhere outside of Western Canada. It was exercised by all those Maritimers & BCers who “commuted” to Fort McMurray in the pay of eeeeevil oil companies, foreign or otherwise.
When it came to tax time, they filed from the home province & provincial taxes didn’t flow to the province where they worked. Sucks to be you, Alberta. Ditto when it came to EI payments when it all crashed. One filed in one’s economically destitute home province for maximum payment periods & maximum payouts. In BC, you just grew dope while on the dole.
I was thinking the other day about what would happen in green politicians and environmentalists who live outside of SK/AB get their wildest dreams fulfilled, SK and AB oil and gas becomes landlocked. New pipelines are forbidden and aging ones are not allowed to be repaired or upgraded because of protests. If big energy companies abandoned the provinces, what would happen?
Honestly, given the abundance of energy resources, the need for cheap and reliable energy in our harsh climate and pressure from voters over expensive and unreliable wind and solar with no viable alternatives — I think we’d return to government owned and operated energy companies out of necessity. A reborn Saskoil would return to the Crown Corp lineup. It could be awful but then again it could work. For decades Medicine Hat has used it’s oil and natgas to provide cheap energy and keep taxes low for its residents. For all the grumbling about saskpower and saskenergy, voters still prefer them to alternatives.
It’s not a solution I’d prefer because I am a free market libertarian and there is the federal carbon tax fight but “energy independence” in SK and AB isn’t impossible. It should produce good jobs, cheap, reliable energy and if combined with low prov taxes could make them a low cost jurisdiction for heavy industry and manufacturing. The fact that we don’t have defined benefit public employee pensions in SK and haven’t for about 40 years is also good for a low tax future. Adapt or die? If life gives you lemons…
Can an entire province(s) go Galt(ish)?
What a charade.
BC doesn’t even have to go to court on this, they already ruled on The Beer Case, for New Brunswick: The unanimous high court decision Thursday effectively preserves the current trade regime, saying provinces have the power to enact laws that restrict commerce if there is another overriding purpose — in this case the desire to control the supply of alcohol within New Brunswick. http://www.680news.com/2018/04/19/supreme-court-decision-on-cross-border-booze-could-rewrite-trade-rules/
That “…provinces have the power to restrict commerce if there is another overriding purpose…” says it all. Done deal, no TM pipeline. Message sent. Essentially editing out the Federal Government overseeing anything. Gee, have to file taxes in two weeks….who to pay?
Deal with it in your own way. I’ll call it “The Beer Clause” on inter-provincial trade & cross boundary commerce. Nice little oil & gas industry you have there. Wouldn’t want anything to happen to it, eh? For a small fee we’ll let you keep it operating, but we’ll tell you how much & to whom you can sell to. Meanwhile, back in the places where votes really count they kvetch about their one & only Black Swan….real estate, with minor attention to the newest food fad, rainbows & unicorns. Then they stiff you with “managed trade”.
I’m actually surprised that the Internationale isn’t our newest national anthem, instead of The Current Dirge.
Ten little banana republics. Well, eight for sure.
Does ruling also mean that Alberta and Sask can shut down oil and gas pipelines going to other provinces because “provinces have the power to enact laws that restrict commerce if there is another overriding purpose.” ?
I think I answered that up above. The howls of “unfair” will be heard from recipients of our pique & the feds will smooth things over….not in our favor, because it is abundantly clear to this Albertan that we are the whipping boy of “Confederation”, to be punished for daring to change the rules under Harper (he was born here, see) & thinking that we actually owned the resources under our feet….despite legal interpretations & that Section 92 actually had some oomph to it. The SCOC just ditched that court case this morning.
This was all planned out, before the election in 2015 as a “what if”. Sask is the junior partner in this. There are “moles” in Alberta that probably were part of that planning, in the Alberta Federation of Labor, at the U of A (imagine Suzuki gets an Honorary KMA from them just the other day), the Teamsters agitating for a strike at CP….it’s endless.
BC is, quietly without fanfare, agitating to restrict oil by rail as I type, as an additional exercise in destroying (as agents of Central Canada) the Canadian oil & gas sector, especially Alberta. Teamsters’ strike action will put a nail in western grain production with their strike (it’s planned), the rails are behind in moving stuff, with the current spring weather you can be sure their will be doors closing without the WCB “helping” farmers out.
I’m in the process of ditching the TSX of any Canadian content & have been doing so since last year.
I recall how, some 40 years ago, Quebec howled in indignation that Alberta actually had the audacity to want to sell its oil at the world price. After all, the uppity westerners forgot their true rule in “Confederation”, namely to toil solely for Quebec’s benefit and to hand what they produced over to it for free.
Things haven’t changed. The Liberals are the “natural governing” party and Quebec thinks it’s the “natural governing” region. We in the west are considered to be nothing but a bunch of hayseeds and hillbillies.
The Debate Post looks like a fake news web-site. The headlines and the meagre content of the article do not reflect what is in the French version linked to. My French speaking SO read the article and even Google translate can confirm is all that PM Dumbass said was to repeat his usual scripted response.
From Google translate:
“To meet the objectives of the Paris agreement, Alberta, where our main oil resources are located, put an absolute limit on greenhouse gas emissions. Because we have been able to demonstrate that we would support the new pipeline that has to reach new markets to Asia. Canadians and people around the world know that you can no longer choose between what is good for the environment and what is good for the economy. You have to do both at the same time, and most importantly, you have to finance the transition to reduce the use of petroleum products. We can not change everything in our economies overnight. It is certain that people on the left, ecologists are concerned, but also right-wing people, who do not like the idea of carbon taxation. But the vast majority of Canadians understand that we must be responsible for future generations.”
So what if it does get built ? They have already srarted to limit the number of tankers that will be loaded.
Who needs pipelines when you gots pot?
/barf
Like beer, you can’t buy cheaper in (insert province of choice) & pack it over the border to yours for personal use. That’s already decided. Border checks & highway stops, search & seizures. Man, think of all that free pot the RCMP rank & file can get! Oh, of course a 17.5% “commish” to the Top Dog, like GST. Think of it, folded $100 bills under the license when you hand it over, “Just a routine check. Any beer, pot, booze, guns or illegal aliens? OK, you’re free to go. Have a nice day, eh.”
Might need a NEXUS card to go to BC.
Lead Now is a Soros funded organization that is central to organizing the pipeline protests. In the last federal election they worked strategically to defeat Harper — I think that some of the concerns about foreign interference and also overspending (as reported in the report from Joan Crockett) are linked to Lead Now. Canadians need to know about the damage this group is doing. They are located in Vancouver.
Ref Vivan Krause link posted by Quicksilver at 11:59:
Boy, wait till Andrew Scheer hears about this!!!!
As Krause reports some $100M US dollars have flowed to First Nations bands opposed to the pipelines, nothing to those supporting it. With the shuttering of Energy East pipelines, as Trans Canada gave up, Canada has lost the chance to stop importing oil from Saudi Arabia, some 85,000 barrels a day, and refining our oil to ship to Europe via the Irving refineries.
The scary thing here is our politicians like Trudeau, Notley and Horgan are totally in sync with shutting down our major source of revenue for Canada. We currently sell our oil from Alberta to the US at a huge discount. The world price is about $65, we sell it at just about $40. This is costing us untold billions in lost revenue, at 3.9 million barrels a day to the US you do the math.
Another good read on WUWT on this topic.
Canada’s Climate Change Policies Are Affecting Its Economy When it Comes to Resource Development