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Ow. Ow, ow, ow. I just hurt myself laughing so hard at that title.
There is so an Air Farce sketch in here somewhere, although I think a parody of a parody might be just a little too meta.
WHat part of “there have been 40 test pits” done and “nobody is buried there” do they not understand?
This is ridiculous. What is the proof that this is a burial ground. It cant be based solely on “triabl lore”.
Albatross!
Why is there no union job action over the infringement on unionized Parks and Recreation jobs like what would be seen if, say, elderly retired people planted gardens and offered to maintain them on city park properties?
I ask cuz’ I have seen it happen.
“You do _have_ some justice.”
“Of course, sir. It’s a Justice Department, sir. We got-”
“No, no, don’t tell me. I’m keen to guess.”
“Fair enough, sir.”
“This is a situation where diplomacy works — unlike Oka.”
Letting them do whatever they want isn’t diplomacy.
Do these Mohawk “warriors” have unsecured firearms in this public park?
Yup. The annual “this is a sacred burial ground” protest is upon us. I wonder why no one has ever thought to ask all Canadian Aboriginal groups where their “sacred burial grounds” are. I guess we know what their answer would be – every square inch of the continent – or – that it would be contrary to their “teachings” to reveal such information.
Smoke shops to follow. Seriously though if they are there to do as they say they are then all is fine.
If it is an occupation the powers that be aren’t going to do anything anyway.
If it is a land claim in the middle of LPC country it is more poetic than the invitee to the WH.
Ya gotta hand it to them that’s one way to take a park hostage so you’se can camp for free. Otherwise spineless politicians heads should roll like a bowling ball.
Hey kids, this is your chance to play a real game of capture the flag with real Indian warriors.
Game On!
Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends… Caledonia. Now opening in Hogtown.
These Mohawk retards just got more Toronto ink from squatting in High Park than they’ve had in five years of pulling this stuff out here in Hooterville. I’ll be -extremely- interested to see how long they last in High Park.
Fortunately for residents of the High Park area and Toronto Police, they can’t summon up two hundred more armed guys with a phone call out there. In Caledonia they can do that. And have done quite a few times.
Just so we are all clear about things: they pulled this same stunt in Ancaster at the new fair grounds a couple years ago, with the tents and the drums and the whole works. Ancaster is part of the Greater Hamilton Area, so Hamilton police sent a couple of cars over. The proud Mohawk Warrior Society “protest” against the White Man’s Encroachment On Sacred Indian Land lasted about three hours. HPD told them to F- Off or fall down the stairs in jail.
They also tried it in Brantford, blocking construction sites. Brantford city council dithered a bit, but then one morning the Mohawk infestation had mysteriously vanished. Brantford you see has its own police force, which decided the law was the law.
Oz, I’m sure they do have unsecured firearms in the park. Under the seats maybe, for now. These guys aren’t some bunch of peacelovedove anti-war hippies. They’d be bikers if they weren’t such a bunch of wankers. Major drug and tobacco smugglers, plus anything else that they feel like running, and they have a Special Deal from McGuinty. Get out of jail free card, in fact.
So the Masses of @sses in Moronto may be in for quite a folk fest this summer, unless Rob Ford has some actual steel under all that gut of his.
“Sorry. It was a pun.”
“A PUN?”
“Not a pun, what’s that other thing? The same forwards as backwards?”
“A palindrome?”
“Yeah, that’s it!”
Haha, I’m laughing because there is a Cree man from Loon Lake, Saskatchewan quoted in the article….what, they have to import their protesters?? Who picked up his travel tab? and Richfisher @11:31 has the comment of the day!
I’m sure there’s nary a patch of ground across the land Natives will claim as burial sites when it suits them. They certainly had plenty of tribal wars and killed each other throughout their history. Now their favourite pastime is taking the white man for fools.
I’m guessing their “camping equipment” has evolved a long way from the Tepee and they bring it to their protest sites in something called the automobile.
I’m amazed the Archaeological surveys came back “negative” for burial ground. Most Archaeologists would go out of their way to find “evidence” for something like that; they’re basically activists. That place must be seriously un-hallowed.
(They’ll be quoting Monty Python for hours, you know. Don’t forget the cheese shop sketch, gentlemen 🙂
all that digging they’re doing? Burying “bones” perhaps? planting evidence? HAHAHAHAHA!!
That councillor they quote seems to be even dizzier than I would expect a Toronto parasite to be. To sum up: there’s no evidence of any kind that there is a burial ground on the land the Mohawks have decided to illegally camp, but she’s “OK” with the thus-nonsensical protest … just because.
Insanity.
But the palindrome of “indiandouchebag” is “gabehcuodnaidni”.! It don’t work!
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“They are not protesters.”
oh, c’mon kate… of course they are. in exactly the
same way that penis-less chaz bono is a man.
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It’s not like they are “protestor” protestors or anything like that.
Why do I have such trouble signing into the Nat’l Post?
This all started with the infamous Delgamuukw Decision,in which Chief Justice McEachern rendered the sensible decision, but was overridden by the Province that had commissioned him to hold the inquiry.
Vancouverites were bitten on the ass by that reversal in Kitsilano, now we’ll see how Torontonians fare.
“The Crown of British Columbia insisted that all First Nations land rights in British Columbia were extinguished by the colonial government before it became part of Canada in 1871. Moreover, Chief Justice Allan McEachern ruled that aboriginal rights in general existed at the “pleasure of the crown” and could thus be extinguished “whenever the intention of the Crown to do so is clear and plain.” (In the Court of Appeal, the Province changed its position to argue that aboriginal land rights had not been extinguished.) In his explanation for the ruling, McEachern conceded that he was unwilling to seriously consider evidence from oral tradition, arguing that prior to colonization, aboriginal lives had been “nasty, brutish, and short”. Justice McEachern found that the “broad concepts embodied in oral tradition, did not conform to juridical definitions of truth,”[1] stating: “I am unable to accept adaawk, kungax and oral traditions as reliable bases for detailed history but they could confirm findings based on other admissible evidence.”[2][3] Although these courtroom proceedings established the precedent of First Nations presenting their claims to land through the use of oral tradition, Justice McEachern ruled that oral tradition could not stand on its own as historical evidence. In order to bear an impact on the proceedings it must be supported by forms of evidence recognized by the court.”
Sheesh,must they deliver them porta-potties and a storage shed? I think its a universal rule that when you set up an encampment you take care of these things internally.
I vaguely recall once being told that Queen’s Park is built on an Indian burial ground. I suppose that is an oral tradition?
Whoa there Shaken, you keep talking about “oral traditions” and Layton is going to want a piece…
Refresh my memory, but wasn’t it at some point in the 1970’s that an official Crown Commission recommended that natives simply be given full Canadian citizenship and all existing native statuses and land claims be nullified? Sort of the “we won, get over it” approach? Does anyone have a link or a reference?
bob, the OPP helped the sons of b1tches put up an illegal fence around a construction site in Hagersville. They showed up, shut down the site by basically menacing the construction guys with bats, then the OPP showed up and HELPED THEM.
They’re Mohawk Warriors, y’know. AKA a bunch of pussies who can’t even set up an illegal squat without gubmint help. If it wasn’t for the OPP protection they get whenever they come out, they’d all have gone back home to New York by now. That’s where most of these clowns are actually from you see. They’re native -Americans-.
By the way, the port-a-potty is to keep them from just crapping in High Park. That’s what they’d be doing otherwise.
More Mohawk brazenness. More Canadian govt PC and gutlessness. I’d have expected more from the new mayor.
Multiculturalism means surender at every point. To llow shakedowns by con artists who live off of workingh class people. Its disgusting.
If I believed it was a REAl burual grounds I would have some sympathy. Lets face it though, tyhis is not the first time they have pulled this nor the last.
JMO
Actually, it’s brilliant. Cash-strapped city gets Native People to landscape and clean up park in exchange for temporary tool shed and port-a-potty. Do the unions understand the the Chief Wahoo brigade is doing their job and undercutting the price that badly?
Not a job to go to amoung them.
In the meantime – stormy petrel on a stick.
The campers said Monday they had no choice but to occupy the park, because the city has ignored their demands that it stop mountain bike riders from using the area, and they plan to stay until it is restored.
[SNIP]
At this spot, the shrubbery and undergrowth that normally carpets the forest floor is gone, apparently chewed up from persistent riding by a group of mountain bikers.
Stay until it is restored?
That could take years, especially since camping at that locale is going to trash it further.
When is mayor Ford going to act like a conservative and insure that there is one law for all, with no exceptions?
Be careful Toronto, I heard the Warriors are led by Chief Walking Eagle, too full of shit to fly.
Appeasement at its best and we all thought Caledonia was the benchmark of stupidity by the OPP (Ontario Political Police).
We ain’t seen nothing yet as these “campers” will now set up a Mohawk casino I am sure.
The OPP and TPS criticized for actions at the G8/20 have now become social workers and enablers? Give me a break.
The politicians quoted are even sadder and more pitiful = height of political correctness brought on by liberal fever.
If it is an Indian burial ground it would predate the Mohawks arrival to Canada. Ever since the Mohawks came to Canada they’ve been picking the bones of the tribes already here.
“The Queens own Indians” as my Mississauga friends used to call them.
They want – a shrubbery!! (nee)
“Nobody would go and ride bikes in a Christian cemetery or a Jewish cemetery.”
A dude with little life experience and even less imagination.
Sometimes there are even picnics, kids running, jumping and laughing, a sing song or two.
The Delgamuukw Decision was the result of an NDP government. The Socred government had won the court battle up to that point, but upon being elected the NDP replaced the law firm that had won case (no doubt with a law firm known sympathetic to the natives & charged with losing the case), appealed the decision & subsequently lost it.
We could expect more of this nonsense if Layton ever became PM, fortunately he has likely reached his zenith in the last election. Yep, always sound governance under an NDP administration.
If it is an Indian burial ground it would predate the Mohawks arrival to Canada.
Actually the Mohawks are Iroquois and the Iroquois had that land, northern shore of Lake Ontario since the late 1670s, before the Huron ran them off.
It’s a good thing there isn’t any proof that the land was a Indian burial ground, Huron or Iroquois or Algonquian.
@Daniel Ream
Not my area of expertise, but I assume you’re referring to the 1969 White Paper, proposed by then Minister of Indian Affairs, Jean Chretien. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_White_Paper)
Unsurprisingly, Indian ‘leadership’ did not approve of scheduling any stops on the gravy train.
Heh. If they must squat, let them squat in Toronto. Can we give them McShifty’s address?
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Red Power United is running a 2 day – 2 part series of Direct Action Warrior workshops for Indigenous Rights activists who want to share their direct action skills with their affinity groups, their communities and their networks. June 18th – 19th 2011 in Toronto. To prep for the National Day of Action on June 24th 2011
All training will be given free by various Direct Action Trainers on behalf of Red Power United.
*We’re looking for Indigenous and non-indigenous people with experience in
participating in direct action or civil disobedience. – If you have previous experience
of facilitating or attending direct action training we will have an emphasis on
learning by doing, so come ready to participate and share your skills.
How to use your bodies (& some simple equipment) to prolong the protest.
Why don’t we just conquer them and be done with it. After all, the whole concept of Aboriginal Rights was/is a European invention. No such idea existed when previous empires were built. Bring back the Mongols!!
Owing no doubt to Global Warming, Toronto is experiencing an unusually cold, wet spring with torrential rain, intermittent fog, and chilly daytime temperatures that have fallen into the single digits. Enjoy your camping, guys!
What really bugs me about this is that some special people can exclude me from accessing a public park when there is no valid justification. There have been 40 test pits and no Indian burial grounds.
The Gov’t desire to curb BMX bikers is enabling bad behavior on the part of these special people and leading to bad Gov’t policy promoting these special peoples view of themselves as being special.
http://torontoist.com/2011/04/city_says_high_park_burial_mound_claims_are_doubtful.php
“I don’t understand or have any rationale for his claims in the park,” says Kris Nahrgang, elected chief of the Kawartha Nishnawbe First Nations of Burleigh Falls, a band of over 700 whose treaty territory includes the GTA. “Now, I know that people have looked at it. And nobody seems to think that there are mounds there.” He corrects himself: “Well, we know there are mounds, but we don’t believe they’re culturally significant mounds.”
Maybe we can arrange for Al Gore to visit the site, too, Ellie?
with the backward cultural norms of THESE fools, before whitey arrived, they had no concept of land ownership and only held territorial posession as long as the land allowed them to survive there, and then it was was “move on”. So they duried their dead were ever they hung their hat at the time. I think sacred burial grounds is a CONvenience to rip whitey off, nothing more
they had no concept of land ownership and only held territorial posession as long as the land allowed them to survive there
True enough.
Also, they were/are pantheists/animists.
They literally worship the land itself so ALL of the land is sacred to them, even if they are littering on it.
Back to the sacred burial ground question: If the ground is more sacred than regular ground is to these people because it’s a burial ground then where are the bodies?