Adding fuel to the firestorm set off by Lance, I give you this delicious vid. It’s long, so settle in or view it when you have time … but I guarantee it’ll be worth it:
** Just a reminder … F-bombs and name calling will be deleted. And, don’t HOG the thread, take your essays to email. You know the rules.
enough,
Your attitude that non believers are shallow and their lives are of less value is arrogant and shallow.
You are not able to measure the value of anyone’s life since you cannot know anything about other people’s lives or what they mean. You pretend to be a god yourself to make these kinds of judgments.
You may never get to heaven with that attitude. I believe your faults are covered under on of the seven deadly sins is it not?
In any case, if you happen to go to heaven for all eternity … and remember that is a very very very long time to have to behave. After all you will be in the presence of perfection will you not?
My question is … how much golf can you actually play.
Eternity is a very very long time.
Enjoy.
Kate- I love this site. You always have the most interesting links and stories that expose the idiocy of liberalism. However, as I have just wasted my time reading down this list of comments I remind myself once again to just enjoy the posting and RESIST the urge to read further for “intelligent” discussion. It ain’t gonna happen.
Wow. This guy lays it all out on the line. Nice.
I think Mr. Sayet (for those of you who are keeping score at home) overstates his case in a way that may cost him listeners, nevertheless room must be allowed for the rant. So much for the facade. Structurally, I think he has well nailed at least two points.
First, he highlights the absurdity of not discriminating. Looking over a cliff is interesting. Stepping over a cliff tends to be less than optimal. That is to say, discriminating between this side of the cliff and that side of the cliff is a good idea.
It is prejudice — not judging, but pre-judging — that is a bad idea. Yes there occur from time to time temporal circumstances where one may be required to judge without sufficient evidence, but in general one is well advised to eschew premature judgement.
Second, he highlights the problem of, if I may put it this way, the “war against reason”. If you have some time on your hands, or wish to bookmark these for your later perusal (there’s a few hours of reading in the links), below are two novels about the problem of those who would abjure the progress of civilization, via the mechanism of causing the citizenry hurt, to the point that the citizens rebel against their own progress, in the name of installing the agitators into positions of power.
First we have “The Ashiel Mystery”, which is set in the context of the anarchists in England about 100 years ago: http://www.munseys.com/disktwo/7ashl.htm
Second we have “Gees’ First Case”, which is set in the context of the communists in the United States of America, about 80 years ago: http://www.munseys.com/diskfive/geesfirst.htm
Salut!
An interesting speaker.
Fortunately, the war against traditional values will be lost, since the ‘progressives’ will be unable to articulate a workable solution.
I recognize many of the moral equivalence techniques and the mindlessness he describes among the foot soldiers.
Watching this video is much like reading the Culture Warrior by Bill O’Reilly.
Both American men recognize the threat posed by our institutions of indoctrination.
The struggle against the evil one, which I understand as the unseen warfare, has been going on in human nature since the first humans evolved from rocks (hang on, that’s a different debate).
Utopians cannot progress human nature by denying it’s existence.
People have free will and free choice. To dummy down discrimination, which is the ability to make decisions that work for the individual, seem like a regression. But, as he said, it’s a label to create an image, just a marketing ploy.
I, for one, do not intend to stop working toward a positive outcome in everything I do. Yet to do that, I do need to exercise my intellectual capacity.
For more than a decade, I have recognized the ‘progressive’ movement for what it really is … the New Intolerance.
As some of you will have noticed, I’ve cleansed this thread of nearly half of its comments.
It is bad enough that some endeavor to crap all over my comments section with off topic and trollworks while I’m away – it’s quite another when regular, long time commentors who ought to know better, cannot help but hit the “post” button in response and make the cleanup all the more complicated.
This is your final warning – EVERY DAMNED ONE OF YOU. If you find yourself typing the word “troll” or any other variation of the species, restrain yourself, and close the window. If you can’t manage that, I’ll be closing comments off when I’m not here to personally police them.
Thanks, Vitruvius.
That’s what I got out of it.
Excellent vid, he makes a lot of good points, not the least of them how movies and tv encourage dumb behavior and influence opinion.
Remember Tin Cup? Costner has a chance to win it all if he lays up and makes the smart shot, but no, he has to do the dumb thing and ends up losing the match. But wait, the pretty girl loves him for it and he wins her heart. In the real world, wouldn’t she walk away from a dumbass like that?
‘Use the Force, Luke’, yeah, shut off the computor and close your eyes and hit the death star on the bullseye. Next time you’re flying and landing in bad weather make sure you tell the pilot to shut off the instuments and just go ahead and land it. Let me know how that works out.
Star Trek The Next Generation? Who are the bad guys? Why they’re those big earred Ferengi who are the embodiment of pure evil and oddly enough, capitailists.
Under the circumstances, Duncan, if one’s going to thank me,
I should like to take said baton and pass it on: thank you Kate.
Yes there occur from time to time temporal circumstances where one may be required to judge without sufficient evidence, but in general one is well advised to eschew premature judgement.
One of the reasons societies based on Christian values works so well is that members of that society needn’t spend most of their life re-discovering the necessary wisdom to rightly judge. In such a society the basic values are a given to which even most atheists and leftists will subscribe. Publically, at least.
That tends to put a brake on those who would tear down society through toleration of most any perversion in order to re-build it in their own image.
‘Excellent point, old hoss. Christianity encorages the HABIT of behaving well. This is quite out of fashion these days and is even ridiculed by the “adult toddlers” who run things–into the ground–these days.
I coined the phrase “adult toddlers” about eight years ago when I noticed, as a teacher, that both parents and administrators often seemed oblivious to any rules of civil behaviour. They just did and thought the way they wanted to with no regard for rubrics of courtesy or, in the case of admin., procedure. ‘Guess how the children behaved?
Unfortunately, things are no better now and, in fact, we slide further into barbarism by the year. When the adults behave like kids and the kids are allowed to behave like mini entiltled adults, it’s not a pretty picture.
Oh, and teachers get into trouble if they involve themselves in “discriminating” acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. Then, they really get into trouble with the “adult toddlers” if they try to administer consequences for the latter. We’re all in big trouble.
lookout, I used to be a teacher, too. And I quit for the same reason. Hopefully the pendulum will soon swing the other way. It always does.
@lookout, Louise:
Here’s a point to ponder. Teaching isn’t biased in favour of left-libs by design; it’s effectively that way because of a prior institutional bias: mollifying the group that complains the most freely. Us righties are deterred by shame-words that are supposed to shut us up, such as ‘racist’, bigot’, ‘extremist’, ‘anti-intellectual’, et maximus cetera. The left-libs see the corresponding words that used to be directed at them, such as ‘whiner’, ‘idler’, ‘lazy’, ‘mother hen’, ‘momma’s boy’, [various other terms that insinuate aloyalty and/or effeminacy], etc., merely as evidence that they’ve hit the target. This oppositional attitude makes them redouble their efforts when someone tries to shame them into stopping.
Once a faction has cultivated that oppositional attitute, then institutional policy shifts to “just give ’em something to get them to shut up.” Hence the constructive bias.
Conservatism still has a respect for the high road. Left-libs are accomplished low-roaders. In a bureaucratized society, they got to Scotland long afore us.
If you don’t mind a bit of postscriptual pontificiation in a Northrop-Frye vein, it is an error to assume that “powerful” is a logical antecedent of “cruel.”
I can see that as expected everyone here gets caught up in the same phony, left-right paradigm that the party spinners throw out to make people believe there is still a functional difference in the way parties will administer critical social issues, the myth of confrontational congress and opposition party system in Washington….it no longer exists…at the policy level both parties do the bidding of the same establishment patrons who fund/own both parties.
The major political events of the past 15 years should have opened the eyes of anyone not plugged into this left-right matrix of political myth.
We now have Gops that spend money and are as unaccountable and irresponsible as stoned Liberals on a pot farm, or FDR groupies on a modern “new deal” corporate wellfair spending spree. We have Liberal house leaders now that vote with the NRA in killing gun control bills…we also have Gop governments who introduce gun bans and UN civil disarmament bills…we have Dems crowing about fiscal waste, and Gops squeeling for more public funding….and the big issues are accepted bipartisan…like going to war on false flag innuendo and voting to refund the war industry….Dems bark and rage like 60s people but vote like Goldwater GOPS…OTOH we have a cabinate of 60s Liberal bureaucrats (neocons) who act like a soviet Juta in truncating civil liberties and doing end runs around the constitution building a domestic spy and security network.
Forget left-right political labels…judge regimes and politicians on whether they respect the constitution and the spirit of free society republicanism or they advocate central control and martial law ( fascist/soviet federal systems).
Watching the Bush regime the past 8 years I have been shocked at how fast they disassembled civil legal rights with executive order fiat…faster than Slick Willie and Bloody Janet with some hillbilly bible thumpers to shoot at.
America’s federal leadership ( both partisan brands) are moving the US towards “empire” from commonlaw republic…this is a fact…this means either you have marshal statist politicians or grass roots republican constitutionalists…this is the new political paradigm…statist militarists from left or right against free republicans ( damn few left)…not this silly show-biz white hat-black hat, left-right BS that Rush, Colter, Franken et al keep alive on the airways.
Look at the health of the constitutional free democracies…how much legal/civil/political empowerment has the individual as opposed to a government minion? When a government worker has more power,( authority to demand accountability, claim on property, power to arbitrate your natural rights) over you than you have over him…there is an imbalance in government accountability….in free constituted open democracies under commonlaw the government and its workers are your servants, accountable to you…when the government and its workers have more authority over you than you over them…..this is tyranny…..Machiavelli knew this, why are modern people in free democracies so dumbed down to the idea and dismiss any grass roots attempt to put unaccountable statism back in a constitutional box as “conspiracy nuts”…obviously these name-callers are either knowingly ignorant or conditioned to ignore the fact that most significant political events in history are the result of conspiracies…. and actually it is this modern theory that everything in power politics is “coincidence” which is blind to the realities of history and statecraft.
Have you more or less individual empowerment under this regime than another?
That’s only litmus test question we need apply to politics in the 21st century.
I’ve managed to see this thing a while ago. It was probably via a link from here.
What I liked is his global warming take and that it’s a veiled hatred of America’s success – which is what I think it is in a way.
Another thing that I liked is his comment on sovereignty. For any country to give up it’s sovereignty to a one world body is just stupid. The thing that is always funny to me is when people call the Iraq war ‘illegal’. Who’s the ref here? The US is sovereign and better do it’s thing to protect it’s people – forget what anyone else thinks – including screwed up Americans.
I watched Louise’s thing from Hitchens as well and I didn’t appreciate his comments on Mother Teresa. He’s going to be a dried up old bag someday to – and if he’s lucky he’ll be able to get into some nursing home for British pseudo-intellectuals – and if he’s really lucky – it’ll be run by the Missionaries of Charity.
Not enough time for me to watch that whole thing. The first 5 minutes was all I could do, but I’ve heard variations on the theme. Been there, done that, agree with the bulk of it.
It keeps locking up in the middle….
“the only thing I’d disagree with him on is when he starts talking about “the elite” trying to bring about this goal of always beeing wrong. That kind of talk reeks too much like a conspiracy theory, and there’s certainly no solid data to support such a conclusion. It’s much more likely that the entire process is a simple feedback loop.”
Alex I’d disagree with you my kids school gets a new principal and poof there goes Christmas, in comes the native religion see christianity is so bad or they are so intolerant you can’t mention a national holiday by name. But even though the parents, teachers and children all want christmas they are more likely to see a film on Kwanzaa for Christmas than a Christmas one.
All because of one elitist forcing their morals on everyone else. Then the coerced teachers show a movie about Kwanzaa.
Hell I think they should work Christmas.
It is always re-freshing to see a Liberal cross-over to the good side.
I was raised a Catholic, the 10 Commandments are an excellent set of rules. I often wondered if most self-declared atheists would agree; do unto others as you would have them do unto you, or even shorter an eye for an eye.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I understand the power of the Church, I don’t understand building a $15 Million Dollar Adobe just to get down on your knees and read a phamplet that encourages you to contribute 17 % of your take home.
And, I sure as hell don’t have time for some fool selling his Religion door-to-door, especially my door. Back in the Ole Days when Boo was around (my late 137 pound rott-lab mix) he could smell those Jehovah’s a mile away,,, ‘-)
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this video wasn’t very useful to me – sayet spent alot of the time describing the symptoms but i didn’t get any meaningful understanding from his musings.
why is it that there is a bill maher show and not an eric sayet show?
sorry – evan sayet. why is it that there is a bill maher show and not an evan sayet show?
Is there a written transcript available of this talk?
Didn’t he say something about a book?
rb – I fully agree. The video was long, long on descriptive talk, but no analysis.
And, this outline of ‘how the left/democrats think’ is really an outline of postmodernism or relativism. It emerged in the 60s, and moved heavily into academia in the 70 and 80s. It’s pure bunk – but, absolves you of any action or decision-making because ‘everything is equal to everything else’ and there are no ‘universals’, ‘no truths’.
This description is old, old…My question is WHY did postmodernism emerge after WWII?
BUT – it’s on the wane; more and more people are rejecting its relativism and Cloud Dwelling.
Ratt:
The church I go to was built in the 1930’s.
When the Jehovah’s ring my doorbell, I look at it as an opportunity, not a nuisance.
They always leave perplexed, because the next time they arrive, it is with a more learned member who attempts to answer the truths they had no clue existed.
BTW, the only power my church is interested in is pointing out people have an inherent free will and the core message is self-control (discipline), not control over others.
Christ himself did not force anybody to listen to his truths. I understand the teenage rebellion thing, when parents ‘force’ you to do things your group thinks are not cool.
And, I understand the argument that you can be religious without being part of a religion.
Here’s a fact. No Christian church anywhere in the world compels anybody to attend.
the talk was brillant. i see alot of you didn’t really hear it.
Vitruvius:
Quite so. Many thanks for your work, Kate, from a long time lurker.
It happened, by accident, that I read Closing of the American Mind about a year ago. I keep going back to it too, which is odd, since, ahem, 19C German philosophy has never been a strong suit.
Sayet’s take away is narrow, there’s a lot more to it. But it was a only a 30 minute talk.
It’s not that Bloom’s students became stupid, but alien.
I can recommend it for anyone out there interested in where the heck the America of Pearl Harbor went.
I hear ya Set You Free; it was always a shame when the New Order tore down the Ole St. Thomas Church in my town, just to build a modern brick establishment that really didn’t hold anymore people or possess that down in the woods across the railroad tracks look. Man, did they throw a money drive for that lil piece of work. You would have thought Lillies in The Field was a cake-walk compared to these cats.
So, pardon me if I have to dis-agree with the no Church compels you to attend, that is, unless we agree the Jehovah’s are not Christians, but a cult, or at the mininum a brain-washed Religion.
Welp, back to the discussion; I watched this video before and Sayet definately has the Dems pegged, also agree there is not a lot of remedies. Not to mention; the Democrats in Louisiana all the way from the Bus Driver to the Senators are well-funded which means they can publish their rhetoric in broad daylight, but alas; that’s another topic.
Ratt:
I guess Sayet is talking more about the radical marxists who have infiltrated the Democratic Party.
He said he grew up a Democrat in New York and I guess the party is Democrat in name only.
It’s been hijacked by the Soros/MoveOn.org crowd much in the same way as much of the Anglican Church is being hijacked by gay rights activists.
Has the same name, but is unrecognizable to long-time believers. My late father-in-law (died five years ago last week) was horrified at the change and accepted a deaconate with the mistaken impression he could recapture its traditional values.
Sayet represents more traditional thinking, but even the Republicans are moving away from the rule of law ie the breakdown of orderly immigation policy from Mexico.
I would think that as a former Democrat who espouses traditional values, he would be labelled a neo-con by the lunatic fringe hijackers on the left.
You betcha, I will definately be moving away from the Rule of Law by voting for Giuliani or Thompson for that matter, but move away from the Rule of Law I will, b/c the alternative is Hillary which scares the B-Jesus out of me.
God Bless Your late FIL.
Thanks for linking my talk to the Heritage Foundation and for the comments.
I don’t remember names so forgive me but..
Whoever talked about my use of the world “Elite” is right, it’s not the best choice of words. By that term I mean only those who knowingly support the Modern Liberal agenda — as opposed to the Mindless Foot Soldiers who have been brainwashed by these Elite (in the public schools and universities, news media and entertainment fields).
I go into more detail in my forthcoming book, “Sympathy for the Devil: How Liberals Think” out from Regnery in the spring.
I wrote “Politically Incorrect” near the beginning of its run (on cable) and it was out of New York and Maher wasn’t yet fully insane and I wasn’t yet fully sane.
Take care folks and, again, thanks.
cconn, Hitch is an American citizen. His Brit accent only indicates where his origins were. The nursing home will have to be in the US.
Hey, Evan!! I saw that video several months ago and thought it was a winner. Fight the good fight, my friend. There are some Canadians who do understand what it’s all about and appreciate what the Americans are doing for the rest of us.
As a homeschooler, I was able to sit my 17 yr. old son down to listen to this lecture by Evan Sayet. He appreciated it for the same reason I do. Sayet put into a package, what we have observed among friends , family and neighbors. Its WHY we homeschool. Thank-you.
Set you Free:
When the “Witnesses” arrive at my door, I bamboozle them, often by the expedient of talking to the kid they brought along; if not that, then roaring like a lion.
I’ve been challenged by liberals in the past as to “why do you hate life?” and I am dumbfounded as to why they think this till now. Reality is not how liberals live their lives and I am pissed at stupid liberals voting in the likes of Pierre Trudeau for example. It’s not I hate life but I hate the sociallist dogma that permeates from these asshats and as soon as I realize they are sociallists I cut them out of my life. They call me hating and I ignore them. I don’t need liberals in my life at all. As the video said, they all think like 5 year olds.
That’s GREAT!
Well said, a very good explanation for the time limit.
Those dissing this speech as limited, are of course correct, but as the question period showed, he was trying to answer the questions posed with thought to the time taken to answer, not due to lack of subject or for lack of further proof or logical explanation.
He was keeping it short and sweet, given the subject matter, you could probably start a blo… er uh.
This guy is an ex-TV show writer, and it shows; personally, about all I can sit through is a 30 minute “made for TV” explanation of anything.
He quite thoughtfully has tried to give a compact, version of the explanation for the predominance of stupid lefty relativism.
This is most important.
I refer to …..uhhh sorry, who ever said they “could only afford to watch 5 minutes” but agreed with Sayet’s explanation, in the comments above as my proof.
If he’s Blooms bulldog , great!
The right needs more “to the point” heavy hitters like Evan Sayet.
Really; Chris Hitchens is zzzzzzzzzzz,.. come on , this is GREAT!
Send it to your buddies.
Thanks Cjunk!
Oh, and Thank you Evan Sayet.
Well Said!
Mahr WAS actually, funny!!, it’s coming back to me now!