Whine, and the world laughs at you …
First, the Liberal Party killed Youth for Volpe.
Last week, ‘Liberals for Hezbollah’ mysteriously went offline.
Now, this site’s ISP has received a letter from the Liberal Party of Canada, full of imaginary legal violations (Slander? Has a HezboLiberal Broadway-style musical opened somewhere?) and veiled threats.
My ISP has been great and has given every indication that they would stick by me through this. But, I have decided to take down the website to save them further hassles.
If the Liberal Party ever wants to repair its reputation, it has to learn that it can’t censor, threaten ordemand that Canadians ‘shut up.’ There are too many of us, and it is too easy for us to communicate these days for that sort of tactic to work anymore, in a free society.
If the Liberal Party doesn’t like what it sees on blogs and on the Internet, it has to stop doing stuff so outrageous and offensive that someone would spend an entire day building a website just to mock it.
Until that happens, you are going to have to learn to live with it.
Sincerely,
HezboLiberal.com
When the New York Times used this tactic against Robert Cox a couple of years ago, the blogosphere responded by mirroring his spoof page a dozen times over.
You know, I’d hate to see that happen in this case. Lawyers letters cost money.
h/t Maz2
Update – Well, this didn’t take long… apparently, a zip file is available for anyone who wants to duplicate the site.
Screenshot
Update – Ezra Levant, gets in on the fun.
The liberanos need to be hanging from the trees on parliment hill like I said years ago. If they don’t like the truth thats just 2FN bad.
We are definitely living in INTERESTING TIMES.
The Federal Liberals are REALLY living in interesting times.
The LPC is living in times they have never seen before. Perhaps the MSM is no match for the Internet and the Blogs.
Next corruption airing; The United Nations ??
More from the Censorship Lib Party/Can.
Jason “I am the Voice of the Liberal Party” Cherniak attempts to censor/shut up/shut down a fellow-Lib.
The Liberal Party is the Fascist Party of Canada. …-
TDH has it wrong
Some bloggers need to come clean about their support in this leadership race.
It is unfortunate that my friends at TDH Strategies did not hear what was happening with the Stephane Dion call before posting. Indeed, they did not even ask. Perhaps, in the future, they could clean out their email box so that messages do not bounce back.
I have to say that if I knew that the good people at TDH Strategies were supporting my campaign, then I would ask them to stop attacking other candidates. I do not have enough information to comment on the Dion campaign’s fiscal situation, but I am certain that neither Michael Ignatieff nor Gerard Kennedy would want to be connected to such fear-mongering.
UPDATE
TDH calls me angry. …-
http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/2006/05/tdh-has-it-wrong.html
I am still waiting for the rest of the liberal scandals to surface, or, are they waiting until the next election? After watching Harper over the last while I think he is just keeping his powder dry. I just wish Harper would push his agenda further and force an election that the liberals would be responsible for and totally unprepared.
Doesn’t the lawyer’s letter violate Section 2b of the Charter, which provides ‘freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication’?
The blog was not promoting hatred or discrimination of a group. Slander and libel are only attributive to individuals and have to be proven. So?
Aren’t political cartoons similar to this blog?
What about the infamous Liberal ads, that claimed that Harper was going to put the military into our cities. With guns. What about their other ads showing the the Conservatives would harm women? What about their ads showing they would destroy Canada?
My suggestion would be for as many other sites as possible to post the images on their site, as a commentary on the Liberal rejection of Section 2b of the Charter and specifically, of the right to critique.
Does anyone else find it both ironic and deeply offensive that the Liberals in all of their time at the trough set up billions of dollars in legal funds to subsidize their friends’ and supporters’ charter challenges (to force through agendas not popular enough to win elections on,) funded their own legal defences when caught stealing, funded their own interests with public money, then threaten to sue everyone who dares speak up against them? There’s no money to help those sued by the Liberal defend against the liberal’s attacks!!
Liberals should be put in camps. In Baffin Island. With no food. In shorts. In winter…
I don’t think the liberals have any shortage of lawyers. 😛
I guess you have to be a CPCer or at least anti-Liberal to find this amusing and/or interesting.
As I’m neither I find maz2 and company just plain childlike. Taking scraps of nonsense and weaving them into a tapestry of jibberish is something the Chretien Liberals would have done.
maz2, how low will you stoop just to get the attention you crave?
You’re taking on the characteristics of the Liebranos and quite frankly I’m not surprised.
Brown,
As usual you talk out of your ass without making a point.
What is your problem with any argument being made on this site? What is incorrect/invalid/logically wrong about what is written here?
If you have no point, don’t waste our time.
So, what would happen if, instead of creating individucal websites to mock the lpc moral sinkhole, a graphic was created and distributed, anonymously, to bloggers, who could then post it on their respective (if not respectful) sites?
Would the lpc launch a class action suit? If so, would they have to prove, in court, that there was no truth to the assertion? Can they, at this point in time, afford to focus outward at their detractors while they have a jumble of also-rans vying for their party leadership? If they were to launch an expensive lawsuit, would this allow PMSH to unpack the rest of the boxes at 24 Sussex?
I guess the point here is that the lpc jumping into a legal battle with people who would never vote for them anyway might be a good thing for Canada…… I’m just sayin’
TDH brings into the mud-slinging the “Kroll Report”. The Liberal are eating each other/cannibals (politically speaking.)
The big story of the Kroll testimony yesterday wasn’t the extra $105 million – it was the fact that parliament was misled. This wasn’t the work of a few “rogue” ad executives or civil servants. The extra-parliamentary spending – or as “habamusrodentum” puts it, “a fraud against the government” – was directed by the Prime Minister, the Treasury Board and Public Works Minister.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/001997.html
Jason,
You stated this above:
“I do not have enough information to comment on the Dion campaign’s fiscal situation…”
So if that’s the case, how would you know whether I did fact checking or not?
That is so the truth… Jason is forever admitting he doesn’t understand basic accounting or financial matters and then offering his ill-informed opinion as facts. Here’s another great example:
I am not an accountant and cannot comment on the Kroll Report. All I can say is that somebody surely would have said something by now if the $1.14 million number was pulled out of thin air.
This was said in response to news that the Canadian government may sue to recover taxpayer funds stolen by the Liberal Party in excess of the amount that was already reimbursed after the Liberal fraud scheme was uncovered — an amount that the Liberal commissioned Kroll Report implies may be inadequate. …-
More from JC’s blog (not Jean C., aka Jeancula).
Warwick,
What is incorrect is taking scraps of anti-Liberal information and spinning them into fodder for biased individuals.
What is invalid is that none of the information comes from validated sources.
What is illogical is adults behaving like children.
The point I’m making is that someone has to stand up and challenge the ramblings created by this form of political nepotism.
Do you want SDA to become the Canadian Taliban, or do you want to be respected and held in high regard?
Brown,
What is incorrect? What specific fact is in dispute?
What is your definition of a “validated” source (especially given the media’s penchant for fiction?)
How are the adults acting like children? Examples?
You make accusations with no substance. You can’t just say your wrong without backing it up with reason. Other people aren’t wrong just because you disagree with what they say. There must be actual facts in dispute. You haven’t provided any facts – either your own or even mentioned the facts you claim are wrong. All you have done is claim that other people are this or that without a basis for doing so. This is not an argument.
this is not a free speech thing
the lawyers letter to hezboliberal clearly states it’s
“the use of the Liberal Party of Canada’s logo and the link to the Liberal Party’s website, through the website http://www.hezboliberal.com“
that’s the problem
“What is incorrect is taking scraps of anti-Liberal information and spinning them into fodder for biased individuals.
What is invalid is that none of the information comes from validated sources.
What is illogical is adults behaving like children.”
You must really hate The Daily Show.
jacobin – the ‘use of the logo’ is merely the cover for the real issue, which is the rejection by the Liberals of critique against them.
Again, the lawyers referred to slander and libel. This moves out of the logo usage and into critique. But, slander and libel are only referrable to individuals not groups. Or logos. I suggest that this was inserted to frighten the blog owner. The logo argument is weak, for the internet is filled with various versions of logos.
The intent remains – to prevent criticism of the Liberal Party.
to prevent criticism of the Liberal Party
–you maybe right, so challenge them
“the ‘use of the logo’ is merely the cover for the real issue, which is the rejection by the Liberals of critique against them”
–no one is stopping anybody from starting a site called http://www.harpercrites.com to critique the former alliance party now known as the conservatives
an eye for eye
According to the star, the Liberals only have $600k in their coffers. Perhaps if, as ET and Warwick suggested, the HezboLiberal graphics were shared across the Conservative blog world, they’d run out of money attempting to defend their ‘good reputation.’
Then of course, election time.
(Even in parenthesis, typing ‘good reputation’ and liberal just about made my stomach turn).
Brown, you must be, without doubt, the dullest, preachiest individual on the internet. So much to tsk, tsk over, so little time…
I wonder how conservatives would react to a Jason Kenney/Conservaterrorists website, seeing as how both Kenney and the PM support Iranian terrorist groups. Do you think the CPC would set their lawyers on anyone who made such a site? No, of course not…..
Jdave,
The difference is that the Liberals can be proven, in their own words, actions and contributions to support terrorism.
In the public arena, given what Liberals have come to stand for, it’s also completely believable.
jdave, too true. Considering how many Liberals have been even cozier with these Iranian terrorist groups, it might just push the spotlight somewhere the Liberals just don’t need it right now. The Liberals built their glass house, now they have to live in it.
BTW, the trend with D Brown attacking maz2 is getting old. My kudos to maz2 who continues to do what he does without getting into the sad name-calling of the local troll.
Irwin Daisy
lets remember that harpercrites won a minority government with 35% of the votes and since the middleeast fiasco of “measured” response they have lost even more support, especially in quebec, a provinces they need to win a majority
65% of canadians (bloc/ndp/libs/green) support open dialogue with hezbollah, rather than waging war
where are you’re killer instincts people?challenge the libs to sue hezboliberals with little money they have left, i dare you, divide and conquer, i dare you
“The difference is that the Liberals can be proven, in their own words, actions and contributions to support terrorism.”
You mean like this:
Kenney was photographed at the April rally organized by Iranian supporters of a banned terrorist group.
The picture appears on the website of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, the political wing of the PMOI, or People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran.
The PMOI is one of the names used by the MEK, or Mujaheedin-e-Khalq, an armed Iranian rebel group formally designated as a terrorist organization by the governments of Canada, the United States and the European Union. The Canadian government put the group on its official terror list in May 2005.
Kenney is shown addressing an April 6 rally on Parliament Hill and is quoted as welcoming participants “on his own behalf as well as the prime minister.”
Is that what you mean? I’ll tell you one thing: If you want a picture of a Liberal hanging out with terrorist supporters, you need someone to photoshop the picture out of thin air. If you want a pic of a conservative hanging out with terrorists, you just have to know which terrorist website to go to.
Conservatives welcoming terrorist supporters to Parliament Hill on behalf of the Prime Minister. Lovely.
jacobin – there are a number of problems withyour post.
The fact that the CPC won by ‘only’ 35% is a fact of our political structure, not popular vote. Unlike, for example, in the US, we have FOUR key federal parties. That splits the vote into four. One of these, in my view, ought to be rejected as a federal party.
The Bloc operates only in Quebec, is opposed to federalism, has one stated agenda – to separate Quebec from the rest of Canada. It has moved into a hidden agenda – pensions, salaries and benefits from the citizens of the Rest of Canada. It should not be permitted to run in federal elections. Since it is, it operates as a ‘default’ for Quebecois, who, since time immemorial, reject collaboration with the anglophones, which includes both the ROC and the US.
The left is further split into the Union Boys, the NDP, who champion the worker and the social science and humanities postmodern academics. And the Hug-a-Thug Boys, the Liberals, who champion the bureaucrats and state-run enterprises.
Now, with FOUR federal parties, and one operating only in the second largest population province, the statistics can’t be anything other than winning by about 35%. OK?
Remember also that Quebec, despite its lessening population, and unlike any other province, is guaranteed 75 seats in the House. That is why it is ‘necessary’ to win in Quebec. Not because of any desirable qualities of Quebecers. But because of that constitutional ‘ice cream cone’ of 75 seats.
As far as Quebecers and wars, it’s also a fact that they reject doing anything for anyone anywhere in the world. That includes wars, which are sometimes necessary, as well as donations to those in need.
You may consider the ME a ‘fiasco’ but others disagree.
You are quite wrong that 65% of Canadians support dialogue with Hezbollah. Your error is to add up the percentage of seats in parliament, by political party, and to translate those percentages as also meaning Canadian support for Hezbollah dialogue. You can’t do that; that’s statistically and methodologically false.
SDA the Canadian Taliban!!
Guess we better start beheading all our political opponents and begin stoning women.
What a jerk!
ET and everyone else, don’t bother with this jacobin guy. He’s been spending a lot of time over at Daimnation posting equally dumb things. He’s the troll’s troll, the lefty’s lefty.
jacobin, meet Tinkerbell.
Tinkerbell, jacobin is a believer for you to play with.
Kate,
I don’t really hate The Daily Show, I find it and shows like SNL’s Weekend Update a tad boring.
I’m looking forward to the day that George Bush is no longer in office and enough time has passed so he and his stupid smirk can go on these shows. It’ll be a real treat to watch him satirize his presidency.
“Me and Dick sent our sons and daughters to be slaughtered in a war we knew we couldn’t win so that daddy could settle an ole score with them Baathist folks…hardy har har”
jacobin is stretching his coverage. Normally, he stays at ChuckerCanuck posting “Harper is scary”, over and over and over and over…….
Does this Grabitall scam now mean that they will be going after their pet lapdogs, the CBC Comedy Krew? Mercer, 22 Minutes etc, use (authorized? not likely but if “yes”, very interesting, to say the least.) Liberal Logos and Personalities, freely?
Not freakin’ likely. There’s an election coming and the boys in red really need the MotherCorp Nimrods.
as far as quebecers and wars
they are hundreds of quebecers right now in afghanistan FIGHTING AND DYING…idiot!
and when canada was a british colony, french quebecers fought under the queen during WW1 and WW2
geez, i have fans where ever i go 😉
Folks, as I have noted at Daimnation, think of Jacobin as the Unabomber writing in the style of ee cummings. And treat him accordingly.
Mirror Mirror on the web.
Who’s the party that’s already dead.
Mirror of Hezboliberal page: http://www.geocities.com/l8f57/
according to ET canada will never be able to a majority government ever again!
Obviously the lawyers were counting on exactly what has happened…to save the ISP from further problems, he did the kind and respectful thing and took the site down. I totally understand and, in the same circumstances, I probably would do the same. But, I still wish that he hadn’t relented.
I know that a person should choose their battles carefully. But, I think this counts as a worthy battle. If dozens of mirrors of the site were set up (with ISP’s overseas), it would serve two great purposes.
1) It would get more attention for the sites (and more negative attention on the Liberals, the deeds that inspired the sites, and their anti-free speech platform in wanting them taken down).
2) It would continue to drain money from the Liberal coffers. Hey, some of that money is mine and I would love to see it spent this way.
Furthermore, the great cliché “David vs. Goliath” battle might actually result in some serious laws in this country about satire and its legitimacy. I mean what is the problem here? Do the Liberals really think that people would go to these sites and think that it was actually a LPC site? Is anyone making money off of the site (using their trademark brands)? Without these, I don’t see where they have a case.
I would make a donation to the defense fund. And I think the sheer numbers of those who are like-minded could really force the Liberals to back down.
Funny how conservatives don’t seem to have a problem with the fact that Jason Kenney has actively supported terrorist organizations. Are there any conservatives out there that aren’t total hypocrites? Or are you all doing as you’re told and looking the other way when one of your own steps in it. Say what you will, but at least Liberal supporters aren’t scared of criticizing their own party.
Mirror Mirror on the Wall
The Liberal Party is so dull.
A mirror of the Hezboliberal site has been setup at http://www.geocities.com/l8f57
(hopefully this post will make it through the filter).
There is a zip file called hl.zip that contains all the files required to setup more mirrors of this site.
bryceman do it!
“Local and regional institutions have enabled people of like mind to mould rules such that one candidate’s interest is enhanced, while others’ interests are impeded.”
Looks good on ya!
Live by the sword, die by the sword; criminal f*&%wits.
Thanks ’57 for the link. That is exactly what should happen; the site should sprout up everywhere on the Net.
Remember, this is not about logos; that’s trivial. It’s not about hate speech. It’s not about slander or libel. It’s freedom of speech to mock and critique. That’s a guaranteed right, despite the Liberals claiming that any thoughts other than directed by them are ‘unCanadian’.
I’ll take the advice of others and not reply to jacobin, whose comments are all, everyone of them, factually and logically invalid anyway.
As for jdave34, your comment is factually wrong. Kenney did not support a terrorist group. The group who approached him claimed not to be allied with any such agenda; therefore your claim that he actively supported terrorism is slander.
You are ignoring intention. He had no intention of supporting a terrorist group, whereas the Liberals/NDP did support a terrorist group. They knew whom they were talking about; Kenney didn’t know the group was a false front for a terrorist group. You don’t seem to be interested in facts.
Your second false claim is that you ignore the fact that he didn’t support terrorism – all he stated was that he supported democracy and freedom in Iran. Period.
“Liberal supporters aren’t scared of criticizing their own party.”
I wonder if Nunziatta would agree?
Oh right;… he’s not allowed in the liberal party.
ET: your spinning sounds an awful lot like the kind of spinning conservatives accuse liberals of.
Was Kenney at the rally?
Did he offer his and the PM’s support and welcome?
Did he vet the organization?
Are they affiliated with terrorists?
Is his picture on their website?
conservaterrorists.ca
I like the sound of that. And I could put REAL photos on there.
Re: copyright issues. Why not change the name and logo? Hezbolieberal might work. How about Hezbolibrano? You will have to rework the logo though; try incorporating a brown envelope somewhere.
Well, about 100K John Gormley Live radio listeners in Saskatchewan are in on the story now.
Lawyers letters are worth their weight in gold.
The problem is that the parody site was too literal, in particular in the use of the registered trademark and brand name, which then allows the claim of libel to be legitimately made. By changing a letter in the name, and tweaking the logo slightly, this problem would have been avoided.
Let this be a lesson to all amature parodists. We are fortunate to live in a society that is relatively tolerant of this stuff, and that’s good, but there are limits recognized by law, and they, to a degree, are good too.
vitruvius:
Thanks for the 411. I’ll keep that in mind….
Censorship by the Liberal Party of Canada, May 2004. …-
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