I’m just hearing about this now:
A proposal to give Internet service providers the power to shut down hate-mongering or pornographic websites received an enthusiastic response Monday by top telecommunications executives, said the plan’s creator.
Bernie Farber, chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, presented the idea at the Canadian Telecom Summit in Toronto to senior managers from such major Internet providers as Rogers, Cogeco, and Sympatico, owned by BCE Inc. (…)
Members of police hate crime units were also receptive to Farber’s proposal, saying that universal guidelines would help curtail the electronic distribution of hateful or pornographic material. Det. Don McKinnon, a member of the hate crimes unit with the London, Ont. police force, said the technology needed to monitor on-line content already exists.
He said hate crime could be significantly reduced if ISP’s were permitted to use it as they saw fit.
This line near the bottom of the story caught my eye:
On June 8, an Edmonton man made history when he was convicted of promoting hatred of Jews on his website, making him the first Canadian to be successfully prosecuted for such a crime.
Look, I hate anti-semitism, but I’m no fan of our “hate crimes” laws, either. Why didn’t I read about this in the blogosphere on June 8?
The first victim of any “Hate Crime” law is Freedom of Speech.
IMO, proponents of such laws aren’t really believers in liberal democracy (small l of course). They are, at core, utopian statist control freaks.
You can’t beat a bad idea with censorship, only with a better idea. As the great American Jurist Louis Brandeis wrote in a free speech versus censorship case, “sunlight is the best disinfectant.”
Ahem…I posted that story here at SDA on June 15:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004137.html
If George Bush or Stockwell Day proposed what Farber just proposed – censoring the internet of pornography and “hate speech” – the left would have a collective conniption, and justifiably so, I think.
So sorry Bob, I must have been completely out of it. 🙁
I’m still wondering about that Edmonton guy, however — do you have more information about what happened? You’d think that would have been a pretty big story.
Also: anyone interested in “citizen journalism” online may want to read this. I met this guy on the weekend. He essentially says the city council tried to shut down his community news site because he dared to criticize what the way the council conducted its business:
http://www.thehaltonherald.ca/0359.html
Interesting judgement:
“The reason for the prohibition of defamation suits by government lies not with the use of taxes, or with some abstruse theory about the indivisibility of the state and the people who make up the state. Rather, it lies in the nature of democracy itself.
“Governments are accountable to the people through the ballot box, and not to judges and juries in courts of law. When government is criticized, its recourse is in the public domain, not the courts. The government may not imprison, or fine, or sue, those who criticize it. The government may respond. This is fundamental. Litigation is a form of force, and the government must not silence its critics by force.”
Perhaps nobody blogged about it because it never made news until now? There are few bloggers who willfully assigned themselves to cover court news.
Internet providers Rogers, Cogeco, and Sympatico, owned by BCE Inc, appear to be pushing for any excuse to complete the gate-keeping fraternity that currently exists with Canadian MSM.
Ezra Levant only last week made a strong case for the abolition of the current “anti hate law” as it exists.
Let’s find out whether the conservatives have a libertarian backbone despite the minority situation.
Given that the Liberals represent “Da Canadian values,” anything that doesn’t fit that mold will be labelled hateful.
Who’s going to determine what’s hateful? The courts? The CRTC? Human Rights commissions? ISP?
This is nuts.
One has to wonder what Farber is really concerned about here. You would think the exchange of ideas is more important than elitists calling the shots on what we think and say. Farber has shown his true colours–think and say what I will allow you to, or I will shut you down. How democratic of him–NOT!
To subtly equate pornography with anti-semitism is disingenuous, to say the least.
Big Brother Farber is a dangerous man–I would say even hateful, if he wants to control what we are allowed to think and write. I find it very hateful of someone to suggest that we are not adult enough to monitor our own words and actions.
Think Mo Stong and e-speed everyone. mo is likely in this sewer of shutting down freedom of speech. The tendancy to blanket ‘groups’ as all good or all bad in a bad habit – not all Jewish people are good – not all Scots are against Socialism – nationallity or race is no idication of what goes on in that globe riding on the shoulders. We are all individuals.
CJC has pushed the anti constitutionalst satist agenda for decades….call them what they are, a rights killing special interest lobby who only seek political empowerment and have little in common with those they presume to represent…..just like the fanatic Muslim lobby.
Ezra Lavant has been out spoken on the charter rights killing CJC and their “hate” law witch hunts. As a bad as the wacky reactionary super sensitivity of mulim fantics like Hindy.
Zundle and Keegstra were self depricating lunatics not criminals…this is Canada …and a thousand Keegstras or Zundles spewing their stupidity will not incite Canadians into Fascist solutions or ciminal violence towards minority religious groups….to even intimate this is an act of degenerate paranoia …all I see is the CJC tilting at windmills and attempting to make gnat poop into a crime… and in the bargain weakening free expression in this nation.
Doug said…
You Gotta Love this Hate Crime Commission:
“The Illinois Governor’s Commission on Discrimination and Hate Crimes is shamed by the ongoing presence of commissioner Sister Claudette Marie Muhammad, a member of the Nation of Islam. Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a Democrat, appointed her to the position last August. He now claims that he didn’t know about her affiliation back then, but he certainly knew of it earlier this year, after Muhammad invited several of her fellow commissioners to attend a speech by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan…”
belmont club
Race does not cause RACISM, CULTURE does !!
The problem is the definition. What is the definition of ‘hateful’ or ‘hate-mongering’?
It is an emotional act and is extremely difficult to define, and we end up with a multitude of different opinons. One person will say such and such is ‘hateful’ while another person will ignore it. The only legislation we can have refers to an ‘authoritarian incitement to violence’. If an authority figure preaches civilian violence against a group or even individual – OK, that can be prosecuted. But that’s all.
Is an article denouncing the self-asserted rights of native occupiers of land, a hateful act? Is an article criticizing the Israeli occupation an act of hate?
Farber’s main goal is to prevent criticism – any criticism – of Israel; he’s not interested in pornography. He’s just using that as a convenient ‘Slippery slope cover’. If you agree with his proposal about pornography, which CAN be defined, then, he’s slipped in a proposal about ‘hate speech – which is extremely difficult to define.
When is someone going to be charged when they make a hate speech about Prime Minister Harper,George Bush or American style health care? Come on keepers of the legislation,I think that you are being lax if not downright weaseling on your responsibilities and its long overdue.
“Culture” does not create RACISM, HATRED, IGNORANCE, INTOLERANCE and SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS does!!!
Bernie Farber has been both a tool and a pawn of the JDL, CJC and other Holocaust industry types for years.There is not one ounce of integrity in this schill,who spares no effort in promoting himself and his version of free speach…
The power lobbies in action – while the social fabric of Canada is in a downward spiral. And it is only just beginning.
The Francophone Lobby has basically “won” with the passing of Law S-3. All of this for a province in which 4 million of the 6 million people basically don’t give a tinker’s damn about bilingualism – only the preservation of French – and for which the rest of us have to finance on an ever increasing basis.
Ironically, all of the other minority lobbies are poised now to use all of the legislation passed by the Liberals (basically for the preservation of Quebec) since the passing of The Official Languages Act (1969), the embedding of the charter in 1982, the Official Multicultural Act and now S-3 for their own ends. Not to mention all of the Supreme Court rulings since that time that have entrenched all of the above legislation.
For decades the Jewish Lobby has been very succesful in having its way via the professions, academia, judiciary, and supreme court. There has been little other than acquiesence to all of this in political circles. Now it seems this lobby feels that they should determine what is “hate” and even worse, decide who should be shut down on the internet. This is patent nonsense and cannot be allowed to happen.
In terms of numbers, the Jewish Lobby is fast becoming outnumbered by the Muslim Lobby. I have to think that they are becoming very concerned about this – particularly right now in the relm of academia and having their (Muslim) lobby being heard by the federal gov’t so easily and so publicly.
The Muslim Lobby does not have the advantage of being on the “inside” for decades as does the Jewish Lobby. Nevertheless they are gaining in numbers( particularly in Toronto), they have the money, they have the intelligence, and they are every bit as aggressive as the Jewish Lobby. This lobby is not inclined to inaction. Rather it seems that they may be taking lessons from the First Nations as to the “expedient” ways to successfully further their own interests. The radical muslims and the First Nations lobbies are fast developing similarities whereas the Jewish lobby never did take that approach of the Caladonia style of gaining power.
Those of us who are not “charter” members of any of the four power lobbies happen to be in a huge majority but we are allowing ourselves to be governed by these four groups.
We must all be very concerned at how things are unfolding. Putting more hate laws on the books and arbitrary sanctions of the internet surely cannot be the way to go.
Farber is a man of conscience. The internet should have been ‘cleaned up’ years ago. While it is of incaluable potential for good given its breadth and scope, it has equally been a source of incalculable evil, yes evil.
I would have thought that human decency regardless of partisanship would have in the majority called down ‘internet porn.’ This is a conservative forum, may I ask where your sense of decency is? The children who have been ravaged by what reports calculate to be a $10 billion dollar industry? Mr. Farber is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in standing up for its closure. And the ISP execs should have been on this years ago.
With regard to ‘hate speech, hate-mongering’, this is the 21st century. If we can’t discourse without the damaging and unproductive vitriol where’s progress? It’s time to get beyond name-calling, vitriol, and believing your fellow human beings don’t have the same right to exist that you do.
For my part, I hope and pray this is real time action and not just ‘rhetoric’ to appease public’s disgust with abuse of internet, but more abuse of fellow human beings, especially children.
MR. FARBER is to be COMMENDED, LAUDED and ISP EXECS SHOULD PICK UP THE PACE ON WHOLE INITIATIVE — LONG OVERDUE FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
BOYCOTT FILTH AND INTERNET ROAD RAGE IN NON-PARTISAN MATURE COMMITMENT.
I can only see Stephen Harper or any leader FULLY BACKING this.
Who exactly is going to decide for these internet providers what constitutes “hate speech”
I wonder if calling someone a racist nazi homophobe will qualify. Or just anti homosexual and anti jewish speech. Who could possibly determine what constitutes hate speech ? Svend Robinson mp should be charged with promoting hatred of heterosexuals and those who he considers homophobes. Because that is just as hatfull as anti semitism. This law is really a communist attempt by our pathetic government to control the freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Really this is Paul Martin PM’s legacy along with same sex marriage of vote pandering to the far left wing nut jobs we sadly in this country.
The same kind of thing is happening over in Belgium, which is in a tortuous spin over definitions and the ‘control’ of the population by the bureaucrats.
Freedom of speech is a constitutional right. If you start to insert bureaucratic intervention against this freedom, with the bureaucrats having the unaccountable right to evaluate this speech – you are in big trouble as a society. This is the socialist, communist Big Brother society.
How come you can accuse some blogger of a hate crime but when 17 muslims want to kill hundreds of people who aren’t Islamic thats ok.
I think I would need a lobotomy to rationalise that.
MSM’s to the rescue
CULTURE, that is used as a front, BUT is EMBEDDED with HATERED, INTOLERANCE, IGNORANCE, ECT, DOES cause racism. Just, as in the past, RELIGIOUS wars have been some of the worst wars. It is hard to settle anything based on a “belief”.
DrWright:
The 17 Muslims are in jail under armed guard. Can’t recall any bloggers under those circumstances. Whatever your view of the MSM, planned actions are still taken more seriously than words.
It is natural for some people to be homosexual or heterosexual. It’s something that people are were born with. We are all born with natural attributes such as race, intelligence, appearance, disposition etc.
We are also ALL born with a set of emotions that are there to guide us through life, by helping us react to the input we receive through our lives.
One of those emotions is hate, one is love, one is fear … they are all necessary for survival through life.
To attempt to ban an emotion is idiotic. To try to suppress an emotion is folly and will blow up in your face eventually. Ask any left-wing psychologist (aren’t they all?) who are so very good at dealing with suppressed emotion and you will know what I am talking about.
We observe something that makes us afraid or threatened and we respond automatically with emotions such as fear or anxiety. Then we soon tire of those feelings and begin to get angry, then we may start to hate what is ruining our day. Sometimes it’s good to express this to others to find comfort or to start to do something about a set of emotions that will destroy us if we don’t act.
It’s nothing more than human responses to given situations. Only a leftist would aspire to control or ban such responses. Of course in the absence of a divine intervention to take care of such matters, they always seem ready to stand in for whatever Deity is missing.
Race does not cause RACISM, CULTURE does !!
What a bunch a crap “Hoax”.
Your statement tells me that all cultures should disappear and melt into the larger homogenous pot. I can’t stand people telling me to abandon my culture so that some semblence of peace can emerge. Why doesn’t “Hoax” instead abandon his own culture and adopt another culture. If he doesn’t think that’s right than he has no right to say that others should abandon theirs.
No more nonsense please.
Beardy’s Cree – cultures are not concrete museum artifacts; they are alive; they change.
As an example, let’s say that your culture, developed in another era, in another environment, in another economy (let’s say an 18th century, non-industrial, peasant agriculture) says that women must not go to school or get an education – would you insist on maintaining this cultural belief?
Would you refuse to abandon this belief and adopt the beliefs of a system operating in the 21st century in an industrial economy?
My point is that non-First Nation people are always demanding that First Nation people should abandon our culture and move towards the ideologies of the non-First Nation majority. But I never hear the non-First Nation people say they should abandon their culture and instead move towards the First Nations perspective.
The First Nations people are always asked to adopt another cultures thinking, but the non-First Nations people never ever want to adopt another cultures perspective.
Do you get my point? Before you ask us to move ask yourself to move first. If you don’t like that idea than you understand now why i don’t like your idea.
This is remarkable considering the police are there to protect us that’s what they are hired for. Not to stand by and cheer while freedoms are eroded. They should be first in line condeming any such atrosity. As for Faber Democratic freedoms like speech have made it possible for the Jewish state to exist and considering how many times they have been almost anhilated by various and sundry totalitarian governments over the centuries it boggles my mind this could even cross his mind.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Jema what does Mo got to do with e-speed?
The point is; Culture is fine. BUT NOT the ones, or segments of, that are embedded with Hate, Ignorance, Dominance, ECT.
Beardy’s Cree – You are assuming that a ‘culture’ is a frozen set of behaviour and beliefs. It isn’t. Culture is a logical adaptation to a particular economic mode, in a particular environment.
The indigeneous peoples of N. America were hunters and gatherers and horticulturalists. Their cultural beliefs and behaviour expressed and affirmed this economy. The economy also could support a certain size population – and not a larger size population.
In our modern era, the population size is too large to be sustained via hunting/gathering or horticulture. It has to be industrial. Therefore, the cultural beliefs and behaviour have to fit into an industrial mode. That is why non-natives don’t move towards the culture of the natives – which remains locked into a mode of life that won’t sustain a large-size population.
Again, culture is directly linked to the economy. An industrial economy can’t be linked with the cultural ideologies of a hunting/gathering economy.
“WHAT DOES Mo (Maurice Strong) have to do with e-speed ?? Ho my God !! Just google his name, I gaurantee you will be reading for days. Arguably one of the most influential men in the world. From our own Oak Lake, MB. Is now on the world map just like Delisle.
Cynapse if planned actions were taken seriously we would have no muslim immigration.
Course many out there are willing to wait until they hit the critical mass and we are as fun a place to live as holland or iran,…
I’ve heard of 3 people charged with hate crimes with nary a Heady Fry among them.
PS it isn’t MSM its liberal MSM, or is that anoxymoron. Why bring up MSMs when its the law putting them in jail not the CBC.
When 17 want to kill us for not being islamic we should not let one more of them in the country.
Not one, or are people willing to make their lives forfit if someone at my family is hurt the next time gamil loads up.
Given that 15 of the 17 accused are Canadian-born, what would banning Muslim immigration accomplish? Furthermore, how far would you like to take the ethnic scapegoating? Should Canada have banned Irish immigration when a small group of Irishmen were unleashing crime waves across Canada?
“Again, culture is directly linked to the economy. An industrial economy can’t be linked with the cultural ideologies of a hunting/gathering economy.”
This Industrial economy is destroying the environment. Adopting a First Nation perspective on this issue could reduce global warming, water quality, air quality, etc. So the First Nation culture is not stuck in the past. But even so the non-First Nation people will always trump the environment for the creation of wealth. Correct.
So my culture is not stuck in the past, it can apply today but most of you refuse to see how it could apply.
Good-bye brick wall
Beardy’s Cree – again, No. I suggest you study a bit about ecology, population dynamics and social structure.
Industrialism is NOT destroying the environment, and a non-industrial economy would not save the environment. It would, however, lead to the famine and death of about 4 billion people. You see, the world population has increased far beyond the carrying capacity of a non-industrial economy. What would you do about that? Do you seriously think that hunting/gathering or a local horticultural economy could support the world population of 6 billion?
There is no proof that industrialism leads to global warming. We simply don’t have the data base. That would require centuries and centuries of data bases – and we don’t have that data. We know that the earth goes through cycles of cooling and warming, related to the solar link, but, we don’t know much more than that. Of course, the apocalpytic types, prefer to think of mankind as evil. Fifty years ago, the fluff was all about global cooling!!!
Yes, the indigeneous peoples are ‘stuck in the past’ – if they think that a hunting/gathering or horticultural economy, rather than an industrial economy, will ‘save the world’. Oh, by the way, aren’t you using a computer? Why is that? That’s created out of an industrial economy, it’s using a great deal of industrial energy – so, why are you using it?
Apart from repeating that your culture can apply today, you haven’t provided even one description to define your culture, to describe its operation, and explain how it would work well today. Why not?
That’s an oversimpilication, Beardy. Western industrial norms and technologies (unleaded gas, advanced farming techniques, hydro-electric dams) are often more envrionmentally friendly than the techniques used in less industrialized nations.
As was pointed out before, population size plays a part. Correct me if I’m wrong, but pre-Cartier natives had no quotas when it came to hunting or fishing. This may have been fine for a relatively small per-capita population, but suppose natives had also developed farming. This would have lead to a population explosion, and a larger population hunting without quotas would have led to the same environmental depletion you attribute to the west.
North American natives have never had to manage the population density that the West now manages. You can’t just assume that the native way of life is better for all situations.
What I have asked and wanted to hear is why non-First Nations do not have to adopt another cultures values. Is it because this is a utopian society with all the answers. That’s laughable.
My point from the start is why do the non-First Nations people “stubbornly” hold onto their culture and expect everyone else to follow suit. Shouldn’t there be some give and take if this country is multi-cultural?
As a First Nation person I can tell you I don’t believe the non-First Nations value system has all the answers. Thats why I hold onto mine.
Another question. Do you think that all the problems of race and culture is due to this “stubborn” attitude?
Beardy’s Cree – ever the noble savage. It’s long past time to accept reality. The modern industrial world is here and can’t be undone. Scientific and technological discoveries can’t be undiscovered, and only a fool would suggest trying to.
Aboriginal peoples insist on benefitting from modern achievements, and rightly so. But this insistence doesn’t square with the quaint desire of some to live a pre-colonial stone age hunter/gatherer life style. Aboriginals have little choice but to join the modern world and the sooner they accept this the better off they’ll be. And they don’t have to abandon their historical culture. They can celebrate its memory, like most successful socities – through the arts, literature and museums. To do this properly requires wealth. So does a healthy environment. So don’t disparage wealth – it’s a good thing.
Again no has the good mind to answer my question.
Instead I get called a “noble savage”. Is the name calling supposed to change my mind? If I called you a “ignorant whiteman” I wouldn’t change your mind would I?
So someone please answer my question as stated and quit resorting to name calling.
sticks and stones blah blah blah
I do not think First Nations are really “kick out the industrial/service based society” types. A lot of them are doing very well, thank you very much. What I DO think is the David Jacuzzi types ARE just that. As long as the CBC is allowed to keep is propaganda machine up and running, and hence David’s fat cat income. How convenient.
Beardy, calm down. Neither ET nor myself are calling you a savage. We are questioning the validity of your sweeping assertion that simply reverting to the cultural practices of the past will reverse the ecological problems of today. It seems doubtful, given the changes in population and population density. ET has gone even further to challenge the assumption that global warming is a proven trend attributable to industrialization. Neither of these assertions have racial overtones. Please address the questions.
B. Cree. You’re right. I retract the ‘noble savage’ remark. But I stand by the rest.
By the way – you spoke of your ‘value system’. Perhaps you could be specific. Except for your apparent fondness for multiculturalism and collectivism I’ll bet there’s a lot of commonality between yours and the average right-wingers’.
And for the record, I agree that Bernie Farber is a twit!
No one wants to answer. Thats fine.
Well one last point.
How do you not know that the First Nation cultural value system could not be applied to todays economy and society? How could we know if we have never tried?
What IS “the First Nation cultural value system”??
Beardy Cree – you haven’t defined the indigeneous culture/value system. Neither have you defined the ‘non-native cultural/value system’. So far, that means we are talking ‘hot air’.
A culture is a direct expression of its economy. That economy is directly related to the environment. The economy and environment support a particular size population.
So, an indigeneous hunting/gathering culture operates within an economy of sharing. Everything is shared; there are no individual owners; individualism is denigrated; the group is dominant. The land is not owned. Furthermore, no attempt is made to ‘make’ the land produce. No domestication of plants or animals. This will support a minimal size, no-growth population. This would be the Cree.
In another environment, one that can support crop growing, you might find a horticultural economy (Iroquois, Huron)which supports a larger size population, and is tribal, based around kin groups that support themselves (rather than sharing it with everyone). Again, this method would not support an industrial size population.
Now- given these FACTS – could a non-industrial culture/economy support an industrial size population? No.
What is the unique nature of industrialism? It supports populations in the millions, while the indigeneous can only support in the thousands, or less, in a particular location. It must develop surplus – which it will use to prepare for the future (seeds, animals, energy); it trades surplus as well. And, it must mass produce. And, it uses non-animal and non-human sources of energy. And so on. …It would take too long to define industrialism.
But, it’s focused, at best, around the individual rather than the group. Why the individual? Because it MUST innovate, adapt, progress, develop new technologies, to deal with the increasing population.
No non-industrial perspective – which are ALL no-growth economies – can deal with this requirement for adaptive and innovative changes.
Again, Beardy Cree, you haven’t defined your terms, so, how can one have a reasoned discussion with you? And, to reduce it to emotive name-calling (as you did, with your brickwall)…gets out of the discussion. So, please define your terms.
Jeff, Hoax B ware is on to Maurice Strong. He Mo) had a e- speed brouser idea and it involves his pals at the U.N. controling the internet. Mr. Bush said NO (NASA said no also- thank Heavens) but the little pile of vermin is still at work – type in Habitats for Humanity to let you know what we missed out on by getting rid of paule martine and the cretin. Strong was the main advisor of paule.
Thanks for asking Jeff, I wish the MSM were not so wing dingy commie – they should have been on this MONTHS ago. Me thinks the MSM don’t like the internet because the ‘peons’ are suddenly reading some real news and we don’t believe anything ‘they’ say anymore. Thanks to people like Kate, we are learning things the Big Shots never dreamed we would know.
FN ‘value system? Is that why billions are thrown at Reserves everytime a politician opens their mouth? Is that why our ‘culture’ of taxpayers is expected to pay and pay for clean water, healthcare, education etc. because you want to hold on to your culture?
I will never forget the picture of a Native man (that appeared in a National Geographic magazine about 20 years ago)stating that he is tired of the White man’s ways and he was going into the bush to live like his ancestors–he was wearing a baseball cap, jeans, heavy duty boots, glasses, plaid shirt and carrying a rifle.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with holding on to your culture, but do not deny us ours. Our culture states that you earn what you get, not wait for handouts. Our culture is to be self reliant while at the same time helping those less fortunate–all the while trying to better our and others lives. Striving to do better rather than blaming others for all the ills we perceive. Not using our race or colour to squeeze out everything we can from others. Using what we find best from all cultures to better the planet.
As stated above–no individual rights exist in the FN culture–NO LAND IS OWNED–therefore individuals are absolved of any responsibility–except in Canada the working taxpayer is expected to supply the FN with all their needs–somehow or other I think it is other Canadians that have been shafted in this situation.
Shut the hell up about the Crees. Free speech is under attack in Canada; that is the MUCH LARGER AND MORE IMPORTANT MATTER AT HAND – not to mention the topic of this thread.
Typical retarded Canadians. Up in arms over free speech in Denmark, but too timid to defend free speech right here in Canada. Poseurs.
bob – yes, free speech is under attack in Canada. By you. Telling us to shut up about a particular topic.
And, calling us who are dealing with this topic, slanderous names.
Thanks for supporting free speech, bob.
“Thanks for asking Jeff, I wish the MSM were not so wing dingy commie – they should have been on this MONTHS ago. Me thinks the MSM don’t like the internet because the ‘peons’ are suddenly reading some real news and we don’t believe anything ‘they’ say anymore. Thanks to people like Kate, we are learning things the Big Shots never dreamed we would know.”
Jema – where did Kate get the information from?
That said, the Globe and Mail shut down their comment section after a mere 12 responses (none of which were rude, although nearly all were in opposition to Farber’s assertions). Interesting …