Oh, yes, we got trouble here, we got big, big trouble
With a ‘T’
With a capital ‘T’
And that rhymes with ‘P’
That rhymes with ‘P’
And that stands for pathetic idiots.
Trouble In Rabble City
Oh, yes, we got trouble here, we got big, big trouble
With a ‘T’
With a capital ‘T’
And that rhymes with ‘P’
That rhymes with ‘P’
And that stands for pathetic idiots.
Before the echo chamber pipes in about liberals: these are not liberals. You won’t find any complaint from Liberals/liberals/progressives to banning these pathetic idiots. This is an element of the true hardcore left. Even the ones I know who oppose the war, think these folks are idiots. Pathetic idiots.
OK, just had to set the record straight, you can start now.
Ted
Cerberus
Imagine the workings of an extreme leftist mind so warped by hatred of Western Civilization that he’d wish for and cheer the deaths of Canadian or American soldiers…
There’s simply no reasoning with such people. As some wise person once said, you can’t reason anyone out of a view that they didn’t arrive at by reason in the first place.
As the dogma of the extreme left is an incoherent fog of irrational, arrogant and hateful neo-fascist collectivism, it’s adherents reflect that deep intellectual and moral incoherence and obnoxious provincialism.
Actually, I have to agree with Ted @ Cerberus. I read the entire thread a couple of days ago, and even though it was on the Rabble website, many of the posters seemed to be opposed to that particular post. Ultimately, the interim moderator shut down the thread entirely on the basis that he could not support the quoted comments. (good for him).
Do you really want us to start mining gems from the Free Dominion forum?
or perhaps the pathetic anti-semitism on your site robert?
Traffic must be slow in Myblahgville tonight….
Give it up Fred. Robert’s no anti-semite.
But onto real issues, there are a lot of wackos that any side would want to disassociate themselves from. Personally, I try to use adjectives to distinguish them “extreme/radical” right/left as opposed to just left/right/conservative/liberal.
Ted
Cerberus
I checked it out the other night myself. they are idiots, hell some of the crap they post must qualify under the hate crime laws,,,, ok that was supposed to be in jest,,but now I am wondering. Rest easy Ted, at no time did I think they were Liberals
But one of the interesting questions out of that is whether, on your blog, you should censor that hateful drivel.
But one of the interesting questions out of that is whether, on your blog, you should censor that hateful drivel or, in the name of free speech, let the coackroaches scurry across the countertop so you can more easily squach ’em?
Heck of a question, I mean if I started a blog advocating physical harm to say, well, any identifiable group how long would it take before some dragged my ass to court.
As a soldier with friends in Afghanistan it upsets me some Canadians would actually call for our deaths. I dont really have anything else to say about this. I just stared at my screen for the last 15 minutes trying to figure out what to type, but its been all said before. There is no sense in preaching to the mostly normal thinking people on this site.
Dave–to your comment:
“you can’t reason anyone out of a view that they didn’t arrive at by reason in the first place.
As the dogma of the extreme left is an incoherent fog of irrational, arrogant and hateful neo-fascist collectivism, it’s adherents reflect that deep intellectual and moral incoherence and obnoxious provincialism.”
There is no reasoning with you either, as you have not arrived at this fanatical view point through reason.
Hair of the dog.
My son was in Iraq in 2003, and I had people tell me straight up that they hoped he was killed so I know the same pain my son was inflicting on the Iraqi people and I would be forced to admit they were right in their opposition to the war. It’s hard enough having a loved one in harm’s way; it’s almost intolerable to have to deal with those kinds of comments at the same time, especially during the first six weeks of his deployment when there was no contact with him. These weren’t hardcore leftists, either, but they were proud liberals who considered their antiwar stance a compassionate, morally superior one; and some of them were my friends. I don’t think they realized their actions were in conflict with their insistence that they supported the troops. They certainly weren’t my friends. I’m still mystified how they — how anyone — could act that way, or support it as simply free speech.
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Judy Rebick is a receiver of our tax dollars. She has been at the Liberal trough for many years–therefore–she is either a Liberal or just another scam artist–what is the difference? Either way–she has cost us big time and seems to see nothing wrong with now promoting the taking our children’s lifeblood.
Ted: Do you support tax dollars going to Judy in order to give these clowns an opportunity to make their opinions known?
Left liberals have allied themselves with the Islamist terrorists.
Left liberals & moonbats from rabble.ca advocate death to Western civilization.
Exhibit: Brothel meets Sharia. Das ist verboten. Arbeit macht frei. The Sharia and the SS; clones.+
Annals of mosque and state: the brothel shakedown
From Spiegel Online, we learn that Muslims have threatened a German brothel for flying particular national flags:
A German brothel seeking to drum up business during the World Cup has been forced to remove the national flags of Saudi Arabia and Iran from an array of flags on its facade after threats from Muslims saying it was insulting their faith….
pacific_waters said…
“Third, the German Muslim vigilantes did not seem to care that Iran is Shiite and Saudi Arabia is Sunni. Both national flags were seen as a proxy for Islam the religion.”
Now there’s a clue about an islamic divide. Even though they may hate each other they hate outsiders even more.
9:08 AM
the mad fiddler said…
I very much want to print this article and post it on the bulletin board of the college where I am teaching. But I am ashamed to admit that I fear doing so, even anonymously, because of the P.C. madness that has overtaken the academic community. It is not that the community is predominantly anti-Christian or anti-American or Pro-Muslim; it is that the radical left are ready at any time to intimidate their opponents (at least domestic conservative ones) and simultaneously exploit the constitutional protections for themselves that they deny to any who disagree with them.
We have less to fear from the Muslim fanatics of the world than from the idiots here at home. The radicalized liberals have so lost touch with reality that they defend the Islamic Jihadists who would slaughter them without a moment’s hesitation then piss on their bodies with glee. The first thing the Iranian Revolutionary government did under the Ayutollah Khomeini was to round up homosexuals, adulterers, women accused of any sexual indiscretiion, political dissidents and opponents of the revolution and imprison them. Tens of thousands of these prisoners were then executed after brief trials under the new Shariah law protocols, hung from convenient lamp posts, construction cranes, girders, et cetera. The executions have killed maybe fewer than did the Iran-Iraq battles, but the victims were precisely the outcasts, dissidents, and non-conformists the Left claim to defend, but whom they abandon unlamented to their fate at the hands of the Islamic fanatics. +
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Ted – I disagree, on empirical and logical grounds to your assertion that
“these are not liberals. You won’t find any complaint from Liberals/liberals/progressives to banning these pathetic idiots. This is an element of the true hardcore left.”
You can’t, a priori, conclude this. You are saying that IF you are a Liberal, THEN, you cannot make these atrocious statements. What’s your proof?
AND…you are taking it further – you are saying that IF you’ve made such a statement, THEN, by definition, you are not a Liberal.
That’s a logical fallacy (affirming the consequent).
You cannot set up a situation where, by definition, no ‘real Liberal Pary member, liberal, progressive’ could make such a statement. You don’t have that type of control. and, you cannot assert that IF they made such a statement, that showed, by definition, that they were not ‘Liberals, liberals, progressives’.
Purifying the Liberal Party by a strict control over how others may view their rhetoric isn’t ‘the way to go’. I’m aware that you are trying to protect the Liberal Party perspective, which IS left, from being defined as extremist, but I think you should focus only on extremism and not consider that such is excluded from the Liberal (or other) Party.
I thought the welfare site had its government funding cut since the Kleptocrat regime went to the opposition benches.
Oh well, The vicious anti-CDN military rhetoric is a prime example of how lefty’s sacred dogma takes precedent over his humanity, self respect and reason….I have always observed a distinct lack of human empathy in the actions and candid sentiments of the dogmatic/partisan left ( even though they claim to be the entitled keepers of the high moral ground and thus presume to be the revolutionary warriors of “the people”…which, of course justifies a cornucopia of their sins).
I suppose this is a natural regression when one trades their humaity/spirituality for political doctrines and self destructive philosophies.
In this case we see them taking sides with the enemy against their nation and their fellow citizens in an effort to escape the tradotional moral responsiblitlity for personal and national defense. Behind the facade of peace-at-all-costs leftism is nothing but a glaring case of moral narcissism…the look-at-me-I’m-so-moral exhibitionst one sees with anti war picket signs….if we look closer we usually find a person whose personal life is a mess due to irresponsible choices….BUT the false morality of the anti-war public protester band aids/justifies a lot of personal failings.
Judging by the various craven and degenerate types who gravitate to the leftist moralitic quakery ( as evidenced by the vocal Rabble membership)mist are content to lecture others on macro moral issues from a obviously very weal personal position.
It’s sad really but it explains why the left seems to be a refuge for every traumatized skank and dysfuntional head case in the political spectrum….and of course Rabble ( involuntarily funded by the public they rail against) gives this hypocritical moral narcissim a voice….it’s a great place to visit if you get your kicks eaves dropping on morally handicapped encounter group venting.
Incredible, I’m stunned, I guess this explains who voted lib last time .
I could’nt understand the “reasoning” of why anyone would have voted liberal last election.
Other than , you know ,… you’re protecting your “entitlement”
Boy, was I approaching that mystery all wrong.
There is no reasoning, no connect, no rational thought.
Thanks for the explanation, Kate.
Further:
“Bob Rae is back where he belongs
For Ontario’s first and only New Democratic premier, it has been a long and circuitous journey. Formally, Bob Rae has not been a New Democrat since 2002, a break sparked by what he saw as the NDP’s overly sympathetic position toward Palestinians in their conflict with Israel. Yet, in real terms, Rae’s infatuation with Canadian social democracy ended long before. >by Thomas Walkom”
That was taken from Rabble Columns.
Sorry Ted, you have to dance with who brung ya.
You might not agree with all the crazies on Rabble, but the columnists seem to be mostly libs and their fiscal advisors, the dippers.
That red colour they use on Rabble really looks familiar too.
Hey Ted, gotta disagree with you. It’d be nice if you were right, but it just ain’t the case. We’re used to people wishing AMERICAN soldiers would die, you see it all over the web all the time. The only novelty here is its -our- kids getting the death wish this time, not the Yanks.
Now you know how Joe and Jane Sixpack feel down there in Cornpone Missouri. Kinda creepy eh?
Hoping soldiers die is mainstream Liberalism these days. Why do you think there’s a Conservative government now? The rest of us are sick of it.
The really telling thing is that “Conservative” types (normal people, in other words) have no question that the proper thing to do is ban such talk from one’s blog immediately. One does not keep a rattlesnake in one’s pocket.
The Lefty “nuanced” approach is to ponder and think maybe it might be ok to let the snake stay for a while. After all, its snakie little heart is in the right place.
I don’t know why anybody gives the extreme left or for that matter the extreme right the time of day.
Both these extremes are attention seekers that whould go away if nobody was listening.
Furthermore by tying these extremists to mainstream political parties takes you down a slippery slope. As maz2 points out, the snake’s mouth is full of poison.
What I see here is a lot of conservative poison.
wlyonmackenzie redux – I don’t think that you can conclude that IF one is a leftist, it’s because the individual’s personal life is a mess. Such an attempted correlation is a ‘bit far out’.
I certainly agree with your view of the left as ” the look-at-me-I’m-so-moral exhibitionst one sees with anti war picket signs.”
But – I can’t agree with your “…if we look closer we usually find a person whose personal life is a mess due to irresponsible choices….”
Blogwell fray- could we have some specific examples (and a lot) to prove your statement that what you see here is “a lot of conservative poison”?
Any time you hear someone spout that they “support the troops but not the mission”, they are wishing harm to befall soldiers. There is no means by which you can have that cake, without burying it too.
Kate, these guys are great at finding lint on your jacket, but they won’t look at their own lapels. Ever.
Pretending hate for soldiers is a fringe affair only ignores the fact that we barely even HAVE soldiers in this country. The few we do have got sent off to Afghanistan by the Liberals, as a Paul Martin/UN photo-op, with no armored vehicles, no air support, no proper radios, the Iltis jeep which is a 1970 Volkswagen Thing with a Rabbit motor in it, and best of all, the wrong coloured cammo. They sent the PPCLI to the ‘Stan in Shoot Me(TM) forest green uniforms. They had to beg desert cammo from the Brits after they got there.
How about “Damn Americans, I hate those b*s*rds!” Anybody recall that one?
Hate for the military is a plank of the Liberal Party platform, and half the stage for the NDP. Let’s not try to pretend this is some kind of nuts-only Leftist fringe, or that Kate and Steve Janke pointing it out is “a lot of conservative poison”, Mr. Blogwell.
Some of us have memories longer than the last election.
Kate,
I read that differently. By supporting the troops means that you respect the men and women of the armed forces. By not supporting the mission means that you don’t agree with the politicians who made the decision to go to war. To put it simply you can have troops but not a war.
ET,
There are many examples in this post and I will list a few after lunch. All you have to do is read and will see that many equate rabble to liberals. maz2 for one lists many supposed Liberal scandals in this, a thread dedicated to pathetic extremists.
Phantom,
You’re inferring way too much. I never mentioned Kate or Steve’s names. In fact it’s just the opposite they seem to be the voice of reason. Please leave innocent people out of this.
My memory goes way back. I could come up with my own list of the alltime top 15 Conservative scandals/boondogles as well. Starting with Diefenbakers cancellation of the Avro Arrow program, caving in to Eisenhower losing 3,000 Canadian jobs and Canada becoming the laughing stock of the world.
Blogwell, if you remember the Arrow then you will recall that Canada had the finest tank battalion in the world under Lester Pearson, a Liberal. The surviving tanks of that force are slowly rusting into the ground at bases around the country, but still listed as first line equipment.
We also had aircraft carriers, submarines, new Sea Kings (which are still flying, kind of), new Hercules tactical aircraft (again, kind-of still flying), a militia program that wasn’t a sick joke, and so forth. The Soviets were afraid of us right up to the 1970’s.
The rot didn’t truly set in until Pierre Elliot Trudeau brought the radical Left into power in the Liberal Party. Their deal was to let the Americans die in the Cold War while they spent money on social programs.
The Left has moved on from “make love not war” to their current “death to the West” rhetoric. Likewise they’ve moved on from just hating the American’s soldiers. Now that Harper is in power and Martin isn’t, they feel free to hate our soldiers too.
That some of them are stupid enough to come right out and say so, and others are stupid enough to let them should come as no surprise. Rabid partisanship and a lack of common sense are considered respectable on the Left.
Hence our shiny new CPC government.
Phantom,
We could go on and on about this but the decay did start with Deifenbaker and has continued to this very day through Conservative and Liberal governments. What did Mulroney do? Try to buy some leaking subs from the Brits for way too much money?
The real decay of our military is due to the American’s protective wing over our shoulder. This coddling comes with a heavy price.
Some Liberals may not wish death on our soldiers, yet soldiers are dying because of them. Look at what they’ve done to the military. Look at the cardboard truck the four soldiers were driving. If they had proper equipment and protection, they would’ve had a better chance of survival. Liberals are directly responsible for their deaths, regardless of whether they wished it on them or not.
As far as the comments on Rabble – they are from the left. Liberals are left (Bob Rae for leader?). They’re all one lefty lump. Therefore they’re all capable of such remarks.
As I soldier, it is my opinion that you cannot support me without supporting the war I am serving in.
As a volunteer, I have the choice to go or not. All soldiers in Canada have this choice by virtue of the fact they all volunteered to become soldiers.
How can one say they support me but not support the cause that I have agreed to risk my life for?
If you say you support me but not my cause, you are implying that I am stupid, foolish or immoral for championing a cause that you find immoral.
Anyone who says to me that they support the troops but not the war, I consider them to not support me.
I would guess that most soldiers would agree, but I would be interested to hear from others soldiers.
Incredible, blogwell fray. You state that the decay of OUR military is the fault of the Americans. Wow.
No, it isn’t. It’s our fault. It’s our decision, our choice, our responsibility. The fact that we chose to rely on the US military to protect freedom for us and around the world, is our choice. Our responsibility.
Boy- talk about ‘passing the buck’.
(And it was Chretien who purchased the leaky subs)
Oh, blogwell fray. I’m sure lunch is over. So, where’s your long list (not a few examples, but enough to substantiate your statement ‘a lot’) that shows there is a ‘lot of conservative poison’ on this blog?
ET,
You shouldn’t be surprised. The left takes no responsibility for anything. It’s always somebody elses fault, even when they’re caught red-handed. That’s part of the reason they are so detestable.
It seems to me that Mulroney signed a contract to replace the aging sea kings and the Liberals renegged on the deal and ended up with about 75% of the bill and no helicopters.
Now that is good management!!
ET,
Take it easy. You know us Liberals lunch all afternoon.
Here’s some of them.
Troll said:”these are not liberals”… “Liberals/liberals/progressives”…
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Left liberals have allied themselves with the Islamist terrorists.
Left liberals & moonbats from rabble.ca advocate death to Western civilization.
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OK then who killed the Avro Arrow?
What’s the story with Mulroney and the Submarine controversy all about?
What’s Mulroney’s record on defense?
Trevor,
You’re right, Mulroney signed a crappy sweetheart deal that had a huge cancellation charge. The ongoing cost of this deal far outwieghed the cancellation.
Cut your loses and get out before the vultures start circling.
A. The Arrow was cancelled by Dief sure enough. Google up Peter Zuuring, he’s got a good book on the subject. Not the smartest move ever, but not done to dismantle the military either.
B. The Liberals bought the Brit subs, not Mulroney. He was going to buy some new ones, but they were cancelled.
C. Mulroney was a “Progressive” Conservative, eye on the main chance kinda guy, and if you’ll remember back to the time, pretty much all he did was raise our taxes and ban guns. All liberals aren’t Liberals, Blogwell.
Blogwell, you are right about the Arrow – it was Diefenbaker all the way, that Putz…
And the manner in which it was done was unbelieveable, no warning whatever. We had been transferred to the LA because my father was working at the Zuma Beach missile-testing station, evaluating the Sparrow missiles that the Arrow was to be equipped with. On morning he arrives for work, is met by a couple of FBI agents who informed him that the project was cancelled, his security clearance was pulled and he was escorted to his office to recover personal effects and then escorted off the base. We were left to find our own way back to Canada, no severance, no help with moving costs etc. Classy act. And then they had the nerve to cut up all the aircraft…what a shame.
blogwell fray – that’s hardly a ‘lot of conservative poison’. Please evaluate your examples more critically; it’s neither ‘a lot’ nor ‘poisonous’. Nor conservative.
By the way – I think it’s a bit of a problem to lump Harper and his CPC in with Mulroney and his PC party and Diefenbaker and his party. They really have very different ideologies and just because the term ‘conservative’ is in their Logo, doesn’t mean they have any comparable values.
The Liberals and NDP and the Bloc, for example, have different Logo-Names, but, their ideologies are very similar – welfare statism, central gov’t, equalization, tax, tax, tax etc.
So- when people are frothing to criticize Harper by equating him with Mulroney/Diefenbaker – I think that’s factually incorrect.
Neither of them were for decentralized gov’t, the build-up of investment capacities of Canadians, the military, individualism, private property and so on.
So, I think one should make comparisons based, not on the Logo-Name, but instead, on the actual ideologies and policies.
Bruce,
Interesting story. I had a neighbour who worked in Malton building these fine cutting edge aircraft. When the project was cancelled he was treated in exactly the same manner as your family, just downright disgusting.
I don’t know how any clear thinking person can say that the US doesn’t control our military. I’m sure there are backroom deals with the Americans that have us Canadians asking to go to the bathroom.
Just look at the softwood dispute. We have won 3 times in arbitration and yet still no resolution and ever increasing clawbacks destroying our lumber industry.
Bloggy
Softwood lumber!!??
“The real decay of our military is due to the American’s protective wing over our shoulder.”
Nope, Martin said get stuffed because Jack, the fiscal advisor said it was “Star Wars”, “weaponization of space”, “my head exploded”.
Ok, that last one does’nt apply to “protective wing”, it just paints a nice picture.
There is no joy in babbelonia tonight.
Aunty-American has fled to Cuba, via Omaha, with Svend as security for it. PP to follow asap.
Mighty babbelonia has struck out for Zimbabwe, there to be granted an asylum by Mugabe, the socialist tryant.
There is no joy in babbelonia tonight.
Kudos to Prime Minister Harper and George Bush, POTUS. David Emerson is vindicated. How sweet it is.
A thirty-year old trade dispute carried on by the Liberal/Socialists is dead. Keep the flags flying.
Boycott Bourque. +
U.S.-Canada reach agreement to end nasty softwood lumber dispute
OTTAWA (CP) – Prime Minister Stephen Harper says Canada and the United States have reached a deal to end a bitter trade war between the two countries over softwood lumber. +
cnews
Maz2:
The lefties have started their rant already about the softwood deal, calling it a sellout, we left a billion dollars on the table, what if the price goes down, blah, blah, blah….
I personally found a couple of things interesting. When Bill Graham stood in the HofC today to denounce the agreement, Belinduhhh was sitting behind him. The incredibly glum exprssion on her face was classic, she looked like she had lost her last friend. You could almost hear her thinking “Why did I cross, now I’m going to be a no-account opposition backbencher forever”.
Second, Don Newman interviewed Gordon Ritchie, the person appointed by Martin to stick-handle the softwood negotiations in 2005. When asked what he thought of the deal, Ritchie was effusive in his praise. He said the deal was very much like the one he tried to promote last year, but couldn’t get either the Americans or the provinces to agree. Not the reply Newman appeared to be looking for.
All in all…not a bad day…
blogwell fray
I’m a clear thinking person. I don’t think that the US controls our military. Please provide proof.
Oh- your examples didn’t substantiate your previous argument (they weren’t conservative or poisonous).
ET,
You continue to feed the trolls