After an experience this summer of choosing a quiet spot to fish from near Blackstrap, only to have four Chinese speaking men come along 2 hours later, and without so much as a “hello”, park their asses a mere 3 feet away and proceed to cast over my line and swing lures past my ear until we were finally forced to pack up and leave, I can only guess why.
So, Kate? Are you next in being hauled before a Human Rights (sic) Commission?
It’d be just like them…
There’s water south of Blackstrap? Who knew!
They come from a society that is accustomed to living cheek to jowl. Tell them politely to move off and give you the room we allow each other in THIS Country. If they don’t get the point throw them in the goddamn lake to make it.
Kate We must learn to tolerate their “little” differences . We are here to make their lives as easy as possible regardless of what we want. I get to be “tolerate” with some asian gentlemen at my work place that cook and eat those delicate little eggs “with the blood and stuff in them”. The smell could drive a fly off a shit pile. When we bitched about it we were told we had to be tolerant . Welcome to Canada “The Land Of Door Mats”.
I spent a certain amount of time wondering what the hell a “racialized” Canadian is. I couldn’t spend too much time thinking about it because it would have made my head explode.
I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s a person with non-white skin, who, as Kate implies in her post, has undergone a process of “racialization.” Where once they were an asshole, they’ve now been “racialized,” and are no longer subject to the same sort of criticism that they were when they were just “a person”.
Self-hating, un- or over-educated white liberals created this process and in fact have, consciously or otherwise, used it to define themselves, their purpose, and everybody around them.
It’s still possible to resist it but it won’t be once everybody gets so used to it that it becomes part of the background. Then we’ll be screwed for good.
I have to say that I am not on board with the mood on this issue. I work with a number of Vietnamese and Chinese individuals, and i know a number of parents from my kids school who are Asian.
I have found them uniformly polite, to the point of deference that I would not have expected or deserved. I’m sure it’s not my imposing size or stellar good looks that responsible for this.
Maybe it’s because I smile when i talk? I maybe just because I talk to them?
Perhaps if you don’t treat people like crap before getting to know them, they will give you a smile and be happy to oblige you too.
I dunno…. back where I come from crossing someone’s line is an invitation to have your canoe dumped if you’re in one, or pushed into the drink if you’re not.
Kate
If what you have reported is true I believe I have no option but to file a complaint with the Human Rights Commission.
A$$holes by definition are always white males between the ages of 16 and 65. We have a long history of suppressing women, gays, ethnic minorities, beating children, creating the glass ceiling, supporting big oil, being insensitive, pissing in the snow, failing to signal when we change lanes and generally just being inconsiderate dicks.
To my shock and horror I now hear that oriental men have been running around masquerading as a$$holes.
This is a grievous assault on my race, sex and culture.
A$$HOLES are always WHITE, HETERO and MALE and of the previously mentioned age range.
THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS!
In Canada we are the benchmark that all others can define their grievances by. As a matter of fact the whole HRC thing has been established to shame and berate us and I’m not willing to give up my place in infamy without a fight!
Syncro
Lori…you are correct. It is called mutual respect.
If you read Kate’s post the behaviour that was discussed had nothing to do with their race.
I think this fishing story might be more about bait.
On a number of occasions I’ve had Chinese people who try and butt in front of me. At Costco they push in front and say”is it OK if I go ahead” My usual response is NO,wait in line like I did” And recently I had the same situation while standing in line at an outdoor concession. A whole family of 4 tried to butt in. I don’t care what their custom is.
In the past I was somewhat taken aback but then decided to hell with that.I don’t care how astonshed they look they can damn well wait their turn.
Horny Toad
Personally, I’ve never noticed that any race has a monopoly on assholes. They are very well dispersed across all races.
Nature has ensured that everyone will get their quota of them, regardless of what race they are, or where they live.
Kate – if you’ve only encountered 4 assholes in your life, which I seriously doubt, consider yourself very lucky. Most of us have seen a hell of a lot more.
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Lori – I’ve sold show dogs to clients in Japan, China and Singapore. My experience in that regard was the same as yours.
This experience bordered on the bizarre. This was a quiet bank on an artificial lake. There were four people fishing, all of us a nice safe distance apart and we were the only ones fishing as far as the eye could see on that bank – probably 3/4 of a mile. These twits came along, and literally set their equipment within 3 feet of where we were all standing, and cast their lines in such a manner that it was dangerous to remain there. All of us left, rather than cause a scene – it wasn’t worth it, as the sun was high in the sky anyway.
But the action was inexcusably rude, and I would add – intentional. They wanted that spot, and co-operated in driving us away.
If this is a pattern of behavior being repeated in Ontario, then yup – I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them have been treated to a cool bath.
Asian people do not fish well. They are almost child-like in thier zeal to hook ‘free food’. You have to describe your space,and enforce it.I have found them to be thick-headed about spots,but they do understand,eventually.
I was in Montreal staying at the Sheraton down town. I needed to talk to someone at the reception desk so I got in line like everyone else. I was next in line when to my right I noticed two orientals approaching and they simply went into the exit line and directly to the desk. When a receptionist was ready for the next customer she went toward the two oriental gentlemen. At that point, in my best francais (which is my first language)I brought to her attention that I was next in line and that these two gentlement had jumped the queue, she immediately left them and looked after me.
After I was looked after and about to leave I turned to these two fellows and asked them if they had any idea as to what a “queue” was. They just continued to look dumb (which I knew they weren’t). I just won’t take that, be it from orientals or the guy at the Tim’s line-up.
My buddy ,who is a bit cruder than me by an inch or two,would stand up and pee. He swears by it,and it is funny,mark your territory.
I just had to see if the “human rights commissioner Barbara Hall” was the same Barbara Hall who was mayor of Toronto in the mid nineties. Yep; and that fact says all that needs saying about this little piece of officially sanctioned hysteria rousing.
From my perspective(physician) everyone has (is)an asshole. The only variance is when and under what circumstance it is exposed. The problem, I believe, that is being raised, is an increasing number of laws that prohibit our critisizing that occurence!
Actually, the problem is ‘cultural norms’. Quite frankly, in China/Asia, the norm is to push to the front of the horde. There is no such thing as a queue, no such thing as waiting in line. The normal way to get served is to push past everyone.
That’s how it’s done in stores, restaurants, hotels, trains – everywhere.
Asians are extremely polite, one-to-one. It’s hard, for instance, to find out a problem because they won’t admit there is one.
But, the norm in public spaces is to push past everyone. If someone is in the space they want, the norm is to push into that space. If you are there and stand your ground, you’ll be OK; they will accept it. But the hope is that you’ll leave. But – standing in line? It just doesn’t exist in the Orient.
Canadians have willing submitted to govt unilaterally imposing multiculturalism and favoring the immigration of asians.
Vancouver is 35% chinese, more than any of the founding races. They have started their own political party to be used whenever they think is the right time.
Tell your mp, if U feel that way, to shut down immigration. We don ‘t need anyone who can’t speak english, has a trade and education.
This week a mob of seiks (spell) massed arround a car carrying the man to be deported who came here with false papers 4 years ago, now a quadraplegic, and has cost our med system $400,000
So, even tho the car was at the airport, Canada backed down and the deportee is still here. Canadians are wimps.
ET – that simply is not universally true. In Japan – yes. In Singapore and much of Malaysia – no. They police their own queues there, much as we do here. Philippines – about 50/50.
I could give a good G*D D**N what their culture is in wherever the hell it is they are from. Welcome to Canada. Learn the language, learn the customs and use them. Show some F**King respect for the country that has so graciously welcomed you.
Keep treating us like doormats and it’s gonna come back to bite you in the ass. Well…unless we all herd up like sheep and do as we’re told by ex-mayors of Toronto.
There’s been a serious problem out here, on the West Coast, with Asian’s violating virtually every shellfish regulation on the books. Before moving out of Vancouver, I’d often see them while walking my dogs along the foreshore at Jericho, harvesting clams and oysters within a few ft. of prominent signs prohibiting collecting due to (fecal) contamination. You KNOW those gunny sacks were heading straight to some Oriental restaurant…
“We’ll have the clams in blackbean sauce, and fried rice please.”
I remember accounts of violence between Texas commercial fishermen and newly arrived, very aggressive, Vietnamese immigrant fishermen, at the end of the Vietnam War, off the Gulf Coast.
Why does this all ring a bell about Laotian deer hunters in Wisconsin?
Do you mean this one?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/22/hunters.slain/index.html
“Racialized”?
[tongue-in-cheek on]
Well, people who are ‘racialized’ are, presumably, ‘racialists’. Perhaps this is a sign that the neo-Nazis are realizing that the HRC tribunals can come in mighty useful if the culture swings their way.
[tongue-in-cheek off]
Just be glad fishing is haram to our Muslim friends.
Catch and behead.
This is why we carry an air horn when we fish. It isn’t as painful as bear spray and yet still sends a clear message…
“I get to be “tolerate” with some asian gentlemen at my work place that cook and eat those delicate little eggs “with the blood and stuff in them”. The smell could drive a fly off a shit pile. When we bitched about it we were told we had to be tolerant . Welcome to Canada “The Land Of Door Mats”.”
Ban food because it smells. I agree. But it might just be a slippery slope to banning everything. Except maybe water. But I dont think that was your point. Just taking a potshot at Asians because the smell of their food doesnt suit you. No racism there.
“The morons that bring us the RED Star and who read it and support what it says seem to think one of the following: either that these others are morally equivalent to us and will behave the same as us when they have taken over thus we have nothing to fear, or that they don’t care what they think and realize they are taking over and they want to do their ass kissing now to ensure their survival in the long run and probably are planning their back stabbing moves against the rest of us right now to ensure their survival at any cost. What somebody needs to tell these A-HOLES, is that when you are a small minority no matter how hard you suck you are still existing at the benevolence of the majority.”
Check.
“Tell your mp, if U feel that way, to shut down immigration. We don ‘t need anyone who can’t speak english, has a trade and education.”
Vive le Quebec libre?
“Just be glad fishing is haram to our Muslim friends.
Catch and behead.”
How in the world did they end up here? A little gratuitous, no. Muslims bad. Always.
“Asian people do not fish well. They are almost child-like in thier zeal to hook ‘free food'”
Errr. Nothing racist about that. But then again stereotypes are based on reality and the rednecks in Alabama really are incestuous, right?
I know, I know. You’re just stating the ‘facts’, while focusing on a certain group. Reminds me of a certain German who lived 60 years ago. What will it take before you actually stand up and admit you’re racist?
“But, the norm in public spaces is to push past everyone. If someone is in the space they want, the norm is to push into that space. If you are there and stand your ground, you’ll be OK; they will accept it. But the hope is that you’ll leave. But – standing in line? It just doesn’t exist in the Orient.”
When in Rome…
I don’t think this is about the actual race of person as much as it about the behavior of some racial groups who have immigrated to Canada.
They have failed to assimilate into the culture.
This puts them at a disadvantage when trying to interact with normal Canadians who see them as … well … assholes.
This is an easily solved problem. End the insanity of multiculturalism and insist that all new comers LEARN HOW TO GET ALONG WITH US.
However, it is still okay if they call their teddy bears Jesus.
It looks like some of the boys/gals don’t really care what race you are.
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Kate wrote:
If this is a pattern of behavior being repeated in Ontario, then yup – I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them have been treated to a cool bath.
Why would anyone even speculate on the basis of this story that ‘this’ (i.e. a single, anecdotal experience in Saskatchewan) might be ‘being repeated in Ontario’?
‘Treated to a cool bath,’ by the way, doesn’t quite do justice to the actions reported to the OHRC, according to the preliminary report:
During the summer and fall of 2007, a number of serious incidents were reported to the authorities regarding assaults targeting Asian Canadian anglers in southern and central Ontario:
• April 27th, Georgina: A man and his 13 year old son were angling on Malone Avenue when they were approached by two men, who pushed the son into the water. A 72-year old man was also pushed, and his fishing gear damaged.
• July 22nd, Georgina: A group of anglers was approached by another group, which pushed one of the anglers into the water.
• August 5th, Georgina: A group of anglers on the Mossington Bridge was approached by a man who pushed an angler into the water.
• August 6th, Georgina: A group of people who were angling on the Mossington Bridge was approached by a man who pushed an angler into the water.
• August 18th, Georgina: A man who was angling on the Mossington Bridge was approached by two people and pushed from behind into the water.
• August 28th, Gannon’s Narrow’s Bridge: An angler was pushed into the water.
• September 15th, Westport: Three anglers were assaulted by five men on a bridge on County Road 36, and received minor injuries.
• September 16th, Georgina: Anglers on the Mossington Bridge were approached by a group of men who pushed two of the anglers into the water. In the events that ensued, one of the anglers was very seriously injured.
• September 29th, Westport: Three anglers were threatened by four males.
• September 30th, Coboconk: An angler was assaulted.
• October 25th, Hastings: Racial slurs targeting Asian Canadians were found painted under a Trent Severn Waterway bridge.
Charges have been laid in a number of these incidents.
So, we have reports of what sound like criminal assaults, including on children and old men.
At least one incident involves a report of ‘very serious’ injury.
The police seem to have seen fit to lay charges in ‘a number of these cases.’
‘Treated to a cool bath,’ however, is how one Saskatchewan commentator chooses to characterize such incidents.
When assholes are outlawed, only outlaws will have assholes.
Racialized Canadians. Actually I kind of like it when the lefties use words that don’t exist. It shows what Morons they are.
If memory serves, wasn’t it Barbara Hall who banned the Barenaked Ladies from preforming at the T.O. city hall because their name would be offencive to women.
Course I would have banned them because the suck, but that’s another story.
My own experiences are similar to ET’s posting…Chinese are incredibly polite one-on-one (embarrassingly polite, at times), but in a crowd they generally act as if they are oblivious to everyone else around.
Of all the “line-butters” I’ve dealt with as an adult, most have been Chinese.
As an Ontarian, I have also seen many “Asians” fishing along various rivers…though I have never witnessed rude behaviour personally, I have heard the stories of how “ignorant” (for lack of a better word) the “Asian” fishermen can be…the “locals” are NOT impressed.
From my experience and assessment, this is a cultural integration problem. I suspect that if “Asian” fishermen stopped acting rudely, much of the problems would fizzle away to nothing.
Prior to obtaining Canadian citizenship, it would be helpful for all prospective citizens to be required to take mandatory “Canadian cultural sensitivity training”…similar to, but much less “in-your-face” than what Herouxville, QC, implemented.
I welcome ALL peoples to Canada…and will tolerate their ideosyncratic customs…as long as they tolerate and respect ours. THAT is what tolerance is all about…and it MUST work both ways.
The problem in eastern Ontario is that van loads of people show up from the Toronto area and snag female’s(of different species),most of them loaded with eggs, from the sanctuaries.
Well, I do not give a damn what color your skin is, whether you are white, asian, ME’er or whatever. If we catch you snagging females out of season, there will be consequences(of course, reported as hate crimes, because lord forbid the real story of these POACHERS comes out).
Fishing in the sanctuaries, out of season, is illegal. Serious harm is being done to the environment. Since the police do not want to arrest these folks, the locals have decided to take the law into their own hands.
In our case in eastern Ontario, it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with idiot poachers who are doing serious harm to our natural environment.
BTW, my uncle has been a game warden for nearly 40 years, and if he ever caught us fishing even near a sanctuary, we would be wondering why we woke up in Kingston General Hospital.
Does Bob Izumi Know about this?
I have lived in the People’s Republic for three years. I have seen things here, on an hourly basis, that would result in fisticuffs if they were done in Canada. For example: queue-jumping, drivers cutting off others, drivers and cyclists not looking before making a left or right turn, left turns done from the right lane, right turns done from left lane, drivers not yielding to pedestrians, drivers with their cars on sidewalks blowing horns at pedestrians to get out of the way, running of red lights, driving the wrong way, people not waiting for others to leave the elevator before entering, cars swerving about women in prams instead of stopping for them, people standing around the doctor instead of being in the waiting area, people standing behind you but reaching around you with cash to try to get service ahead of you, spitting in restaurants, people letting their children urinate on supermarket floors, et cetra.
But, nobody but foreigners blink when these things happen. We adapt because it is their country.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
andis kaulis – yes, I’ve heard exactly the same. People driving cars on sidewalks, no regard for traffic rules. Certainly, no such thing as queues.
Spitting is a serious problem; it’s practically a cultural habit of men; Beijing is trying to get people to stop it before the Olympics (heh, I doubt if they’ll have much luck).
Litter? The norm is to throw your litter down without thought. In fact, I know of a conference held in Australia; the Chinese group were taken aside and told that in Australia, the population is much smaller. They don’t have the ‘extra people’ to work to pick up litter, so, when in Australia, the Chinese delegation must not do as they normally do, and throw all litter to the ground; they must put in in the garbage themselves.
Recycling? Of tins, glass, paper, anything? Unheard of in China.
Caution about foods? Unheard of. If it’s moving and living, they’ll catch and eat it – whether infested, illegal or whatever.
It’s a different perspective. Not evil. Not amoral. Not due to race. When they come here, they must learn the norms of our behaviour.
Again, multiculturalism, a policy that defines all modes of belief and behaviour as OK, and that isolates people into non-adaptive blocks – must end.
When Kate says,
…When Did “Asshole” Become a Race
I really don’t think she is saying Asians are ass holes.
I could be wrong but I think she is saying that some people who get in trouble for behaving like ass holes pretend they are victim of racism.
When in fact it is simply their “assholeness” that is the problem and not their race.
She could have said ,
” when did people who cut in front of the line become a race? ”
it would have meant the same thing…I think?
Wow, Kate’s story is very bizarre. Makes me think of an incident a couple days ago:
I was on the bus and noticed that two white guys were sitting in the front seats reserved for the disabled and elderly. It was rush hour, and most other seats were taken, standing room only. Lo and behold, an older Asian woman got on the bus, and had to remain standing and clinging to one of the poles. The driver did nothing, and other passengers did nothing, other than the odd glare. I made my way up to the two assholes and asked if they could haul their butts off the seat – which they did.
Moral(s) of this story? First, race does not determine behaviour, and second, if you want to deal with rude behaviour, you don’t tuck tale and run when it’s happening in your face, and then later sulk off to the internet and whine about race – you deal with it head on.
(Shakes head in disbelief).
Take a look around folks. Many are talking as if “Asians” (I’m supposing Oriental) just got here, and aren’t as Canadian as the rest of us (presumably White). Many of those Asians have been here for generations, and are just as Canadian as any of you, whether you like it or not.
Go back to their country indeed. Why don’t you go back to yours if you don’t like how those Canadians are acting? If we’re speaking as Canadians, it’s important to remember – “they” are us. This isn’t a white nation you know. Maybe some of you white people should learn to assimilate.
This whole debate began because people were “tipping” asians – that is, knocking them into the water. They were clearly targeted due to their race. IE; a racist act.
Haven’t any of you ever fished off a dock – where people stand right next to each other? I guess not.
O K Andis – what is your point? Are you saying that we should all behave like Asians here in our own country or that Asians should behave like us in our own country? I hope it is the latter.
Does t.dot.roll stand for too dumb to reason?
The issue here isn’t Kate’s or our “racism,” it’s about how come it’s OK for immigrants, because of their skin colour and “different” customs, to be a**holes and get away with it, whereas if one of us did the same thing, we’d be roundly criticized for it?
The commensurate issue is not only how come newcomers to Canada can get away with ignorant and intolerant behaviour, but why if we born-in-Canada-Canadians point out how ignorant, rude, and nasty the behaviour is, we’re accused of being “racist.”
The shoe’s always on the other foot these days. Let’s remember: It’s not the immigrants’ dads and granddads who sacrificed their lives to make Canada the country they much prefer to live in, rather than stay in the lands where they were born.
We need definitely NOT to cave in to the inordinate demands made by the idiot toadies employed by the HRCs: that we treat immigrants with extravagant politesse while it’s OK for them to run roughshod over our conventions and customs.
But a caution: Canadians had better reacquaint themselves with the foundation stones of our culture, from which they seem to have become unattached in recent decades. These value are, of course, those of the Judeo-Christian canon, and are worth another look, folks. No wonder we’re being trampled underfoot. Most Canadians have no clue how to “defend the hope that is in them.” They have no articulated idea why it would be wrong for immigrants to tell US what to do.
If you watch the commentary on the series Rome, the director makes a very telling statement. He says that in the making of the epic, he was struck by the similarities and huge discrepancies between us and the citizens of Rome.
He said when it came to the discrepancies, like the consistent brutalization of each other, the never-ending scheming, lying, cheating, fornication, dismemberments, etc. it is clear what brought them to an end–and that was the arrival of Judeo-Christianity. Watch it. He said it.
We need to be much more conversant with WHY Canada is the free democracy it is today, and why it is that immigrants flock here. “Without a vision the people perish.” Canadians are fast losing the vision of our founding fathers and mothers, which was based on their Judeo-Christian beliefs and values. Without this foundation and our ability to not only articulate it but defend it, we are ripe for the picking and to be trampled underfoot.
Canadians need to think long and hard about this. Civilized nations don’t just happen. They are based on such creeds as “Love your neighbour as yourself,” on sacrificial love and generosity, not on government handouts or immigration programs to ensure that one party (the Librano$) get the immigrant vote.
Re “Friend of USA”: “it is simply their “assholeness” that is the problem and not their race.”
You’re right – that’s the point I get from Kate too.
The bigger debate concerns who we are talking about when we say “us” (as in “behave like us”)? We may be the most culturally diverse country in the world. Do we have an identity? Is it relatively established, or is it changing? These are difficult questions to answer, and there are numerous, contradictory perspectives, often depending on our own racial and cultural backgrounds.
I can’t speak to all incidents, but in the Westport case, the oriental gentlemen were fishing near or on a bridge, with a sign prominently posted from the Ont. Natural Resources Dept. “NO FISHING”. This is a breeding and stocking site for Eastern Ontario.
how nice. kate’s added the chinese to her list of those unfit to live in her country.
so who’s allowed here? fat white men and your wrethced dogs?
your sense of entitlement is beyond compare. i wonder how courteous your ancestors were when they first started infecting native peoples upon their arrival to north america.
When did ‘asshole’ become a race?
Right about the time when the other ‘races’ began using multiculturalism to get rid of their own assholes.
(Something to consider, for both sides.)