A good summary here.
Dan Knight- Campaign 2025 – The Montreal Reckoning, Canada’s Leaders Debate Exposes the Great Divide
And what unfolded over two hours wasn’t just a policy discussion—it was a full-blown national identity crisis.
Because this wasn’t a debate about tweaks to tax rates or transit plans. No, this was a live autopsy of what decades of bureaucratic rule, foreign appeasement, and soft authoritarianism have done to what used to be one of the freest, most prosperous countries on Earth.
If I was a hesitant foreign investor looking for opportunities in Canada , nothing I heard last night would make me want to consider investing here.
That was excellent. Very revealing about what each of these leaders represents. I am now getting worried about the polls. Canadians are paying too little attention to what Carney represents. If he succeeds in this election, it will be a disaster for Canada.
You’re only NOW “getting worried” about the polls?
I’ve been there just about a week after the writ was dropped.
–the REAL fc.
Remember, the polls are being conducted by media companies who rely on the Liberal party staying in power for their funding. Take with a block of salt.
In my basement I have an electronics lab. It’s a modest affair as these things go, but I can repair or build a wide variety of consumer (and other) electronics.
It occurs to me that Canada is very much like a malfunctioning stereo AM/FM tuner that lands on my bench: I open it up, do a cursory examination, and then get to work doing detailed troubleshooting of “most likely” suspects. If that doesn’t help, I then do some more intricate work on the less-likely problems. And if that doesn’t work, my decision is made for me: I scrap the unit, first harvesting all the useful innards and then recycling what’s left over.
Canada is at an inflection point in global history: do we fix it, sometimes with radical surgery, or do we pull it apart and recycle it? These days, I’m thinking that pulling it apart and recycling it might be our best option — we’re neither economically nor militarily sovereign, having become used to generations of handouts, cozy trade relationships and protective umbrellas offered by the U.S. The “defense subsidy” alone has allowed us (like most of Europe) to develop a now-sclerotic social welfare state. Breaking Canada apart may just be the shock therapy its citizens need to move forward. The recycling? Parts of erstwhile Canada may be absorbed by the U.S., whilst other parts might try to go it alone or re-combine with still other parts (Quebec and Ontario come to mind, although the impulse of many Québécois to be maîtres chez nous might preclude any such arrangement).
My reluctance about separatism is seriously waning, but I’m still willing to give it one more go if Poilievre and the Conservatives win a majority. Unfortunately, right now I think we’ll have a minority Liberal government yet again, but without a “supply and confidence” agreement from the Bloc (the NDP appears to be cooked this time ’round).
“but I’m still willing to give it one more go if Poilievre …”
Don’t know how old you are Garth but your reluctance to step away from your comfort zone is why we are in such bad shape as a country. You can’t justify your trust of our corrupt con-federation but you sure can rationalize.
Your willingness to yet again trust has been demonstrated as a failed approach. We have tried that many times in the past. Kicking the can down the road. Harper, Mulroney and the strange calculations of Manning have lead us to this point in time.
There is no “federal” solution to the wests frustrations but to get out.
“Only when they think we might get out will they do anything to keep us in.”
Ted Byfield
“Don’t know how old you are Garth but your reluctance to step away from your comfort zone is why we are in such bad shape as a country. You can’t justify your trust of our corrupt con-federation but you sure can rationalize.”
Well said. There is a lot of that happening around here.
Yes, exactly this. All a CPC majority does is lessen the torture and suffering in the very short term, not end it. Especially as Conservative governments across the country basically ignore their base and pander for centre-left support anyway. And in four years the Liberals will be in again and double down on the punishment.
The only party for change is the PPC. Too bad folks will not look them up and read their platform. Oh well, looking forward to separation in the Libs get in again which I think they will. Canada is done for.
It appears that none of you read the totality of my post.
Oh well, par for the course, I guess.
I read it and thought it was thoughtful and well-written, I’m just not willing to stick around any longer regardless of who wins. I just can’t see a way Canada moves forward in a positive way, there’s too much baggage and too many hangers-on that will go on full attack if by some miracle the CPC pulls off a win.
And Ron,many of us have followed Maxime and the PPC since its inception, it’s become apparent that they’re never going to gain enough traction to get anywhere.
Agreed, wonko. Plus if the consensus is to become #51, that will only happen under DJT. In 4 years if the dems are back on top, statehood for AB is likely a no go. The time is now.
I agree on a Liberal minority “right now” but there’s still ten days to go, an eternity for collectivist Carny Carney.
My spidey sense says they’re tied right now, with the nod going to Liberals due to the NDP disaster of a leader who has made the Grit grifters’ vote more efficient. One can faintly hope Singh can still gum up Carney’s works.
Poilievre needs to go to work for Canadians tonight. He’ll have to be at his best, not for his sake, but for ours.
I think there is another inflection point witnessed last night. Quebec and Alberta now share a separatist kindred spirit if these Liberal hypocrites gain power, the Bloc leader making it clear, like Danielle Smith, that he’s not buying into their brokerage brinkmanship and all too cozy relationship with Europe, bankers and WEF fascists.
Canada is heading into an inevitable era of decentralization, no matter who wins; as a whole nation – or not.
Ten days to go, and in my riding there still isn’t a Liberal or NDP sign up anywhere, only conservative. No green party either. Is it like that everywhere, or has the left just given up on Alberta?
Perfect analogy. Very apt. Describes how I’ve been thinking about this country ever since the last election. That’s why I’m here in AB, and no longer living in Ottawa.
It’s time to “recycle” this radio!
Debate in French,
so Canadians know less.
Maybe instead of listening to the Liberal MSM idiots howling about independent media being allowed into the debate we should be asking why any Liberal funded MSM were allowed in.
They all clearly have a huge financial conflict of interest and stand to loose billions and their jobs if Poilievre wins and stops giving them money from the Canadian taxpayers.
They seem to want to talk about who should be allowed to question politicians.
Take the fight to them.
Steve Paikin of TVO is moderating the English debate tonight, the closest thing you’ll get to an unbiased mainstream journalist, himself a policy wonk, who could get Carney into some specious word salads explaining his incongruent positions on oil and gas, other natural resources and agriculture, another pending “Housing Canada” do nothing white elephant, failure to disclose his business interests, China involvement with Liberals, their sudden conservative epiphany, and a rebuttal to his “just got here” defense of Trudeau’s disastrous record.
Near the end, I am almost sure that Paikin will show his true colors. I watched his TVO panel shows back in Ottawa. He tries, but more often than not, his true colors burst through.
–the REAL fc.
This is all nice, but it is all noise. Canada is done. Scrap it. Let the viable people make something of the viable parts.
All that, and women should not be allowed to vote. Finance eludes them, government is 99% a financial issue, so they should be ineligible. Pile on.
“women should not be allowed to vote”
C’mon now, I’ll settle for getting them off the roads.
Peter: A comment like that leads me to suspect that you may be a liberal plant.
I hope that your comment was intended to be sarcasm.
I’ll give you a chance to deny my accusation, and prove your bona-fids.
–the REAL fc.
Canada’s first elected-at-large chief executive, President Kevin O’Leary, proudly announced today the upcoming Convention of the Provinces that will formally adopt and enact the new Canadian Constitution of the Republic of Canada.
“It is with great pride that I, with the blessing of the new Canada’s founding fathers, will present this document for ratification among the newly empowered and sovereign Provinces. This Constitution and its embedded Bill of Rights is a mirror copy of the US Constitution that ensures all political executives will stand for direct election. May God Bless our new Republic and may we never again return to the tyranny of the corrupt Crown and its communist proxies ever again.”
If only…
–the REAL fc.
got news for ya folks related to the fact that *here it is again* whinging about the way things are, and ignoring ‘the guy behind the curtain’ who represents the majority of Canaduhian VOTERS who collectively PUT Canaduh in its present state (pun intended).
why scant mention of that let alone analysis? hmmm? because THAT is the root of the problem. all else is dwelling on the symptoms, the effects, the consequences.
Old Faithful Bananda – a country where enough of the people just don’t get tired of wiping their a$$ with a hula hoop.
Thanks for posting this Francisco
I didn’t watch the debate, nor listen to any of the translators of it, so Dan Knight’s commentary is all I have to go on as I didn’t check in on any of the MSM reportage, nor see any of X/Twittersphere commentary.
It reads like a decent summation and certainly don’t need to read anything more than the headlines or first and last paragraph of anyone else’s opinion of this.
Is there going to be an English debate as well? kinda out of the loop for how this election is going aside from seeing some clearly bogus polls, the local candidate being removed from contention, and how blame Trump affects them all.
As for “what is your vision of how Canada should be governed”… I’d like to know which one of these are going to be debating how AB/Sask.’s separation negotiations will unfold.
Alberta signed a contract long ago with the federal gov’t to supply RCMP for the provincial police force, it is now understaffed by about 400, and I’m just wondering if ANY agreement with the federal gov’t works out as it should. No, I don’t care if “they don’t have the service members available to supply this”. The statement relates to, “Is there anything the federal gov’t does effectively?” and… “Is the federal gov’t capable of running a lemonade stand?” …
Why should AB/Sask. be governed by such ineptness?
#separation
Be glad you didn’t waste your time. I sure didn’t.
From the reactions I’ve read to date, I found out that one of the crucial “ballot questions” asked at the debate was “What US products have you stopped buying?” …or words to that effect.
–the REAL fc.
Canada is a Confederation….in a Confederation, the provinces are sovereign in their own borders and the federal government is NOT the senior government of the country. People may remember when Comrade Pierre Trudeau claimed that the federal government should not be the “headwaiter” to the provinces….but that is EXACTLY what is must be in a Confederation. The centralization of power is going on in virtually every country in the world….you see States losing their authority to federal governments and federal governments losing their authority to unelected morons in the EU for example. That makes it easier to control large numbers of people. In fact, what seems to be happening is that the world is becoming more like the former Soviet Union…..the wet dream of Marxists.
Canada needs the federal government to cut back drastically its tax take and hand the tax room over to the provinces….do away with transfers and equalization.
In fact we have a CON-federation. With the western colonies under the illusion that they matter.
In fact the Trump administration is handing off some responsibilities back to the states.
Thank you, Art, for reminding us that Canada is a Confederation, not a Federation like the USA. Most Federal Parties in Canada resent that and constantly try to horn in on Provincial jurisdiction and operate as if Canada is a federation.
And I would like to remind you that Canada is a Monarchy, and the nation, its government, and everything within it down to the last kernel of wheat is an actual private possession of His Majesty the King of Canada.
And everyone here is a subject…
Lets be clear, since the SCoC ruled that POGG overrides any parts of the constitution that says the provinces have exclusive jurisdiction, the idea that Confederation is still operable is over, and what the activist FedGov wants goes.
This is a very long writeup that kind of misses the point. It got said in one of the other threads; this whole thing is political theater for the rubes, to maintain the illusion that the common people have a meaningful say in how the country is governed.
Ask westerners how that’s worked out for them since the 1900s.
The polling lines are showing an incoming Liberal majority built on the backs of the usual suspects; Ontarians, Quebecers, Atlantic Canadians, and urban British Columbians. Nobody else in this country matters (and Atlantic Canadians don’t even really matter, they’re just a convenient source of MPs for the Libs), nor will they ever matter. Power flows from the MON-OTT-TOR corridor into the Liberal Party of Canada, and there it stays, 7 or 8 elections out of every 10.
Oh once in a while the Laurentians will “permit” a Conservative term in office, but only a short one and only if the Conservatives don’t actually change anything. Just leave everything intact until the Liberals return.
On April 29th, Alberta & Saskatchewan are going to have to come to terms with the fact that nobody’s coming to save them. The bulk of the rest of Canada doesn’t give a damn about you and never will. It’s going to take a lot of hard work to extract yourselves from this declining, decrepit, morass, but if you don’t, you’re going to fall down into the pit with the rest of us. Save yourselves. Before it’s too late.
“Oh once in a while the Laurentians will “permit” a Conservative term in office, but only a short one and only if the Conservatives don’t actually change anything. Just leave everything intact until the Liberals return.”
That is exactly the case, I.M. Roughly every ten years or so they allows us to ‘switch’ governments, to give us the illusion of choice. Liberal/Tory, same old story…
I’m not sure if it is too late to save Canada, but I’d like to try anyway. Voting Liberal or Liberal Lite won’t do it.
A rather important point, from the comments:
—————————–
“And all ignored the elephant in the room: uncontrolled immigration. Basic economics is supply and demand. When the demand increases due to more people but not enough jobs due to the strangulation of businesses, but the supply doesn’t, prices go up. Like food. Like housing. The only leader who has been consistent on noting what should be obvious, is Maxime Bernier, and all of these clowns worked together to keep him off the stage. Now you know why.”
——————————-
I read the whole article and Poilievre almost had me fooled. Almost. If the so-called ‘moderators’ didn’t bring up immigration, Pierre Poilievre could have done so in the press scrum (as he did with other issues)…but he did not.
(unless Dan Knight somehow missed it any mention of immigration?; I didn’t watch, and have only his article to refer to…)
L – “What are we not talking about but should be?” Is asked by Triggernometry of each guest.
“The dog not barking” was the clue in a Sherlock Holmes case.
Or as Professor Jordan Peterson opines, the solution to most problems can be found in the
last place you want to look. Voluntarily confronting our fears is the most successful therapy,
both for individuals and in this case, the body politic.
Mass migration has been used to weaken the bonds of a shared culture and values.; out of
which a nation is formed and becomes a nation-state of a self-governing people. Globalism,
the Unrestricted Warfare of the C.C.P. and political Islam prey like jackals on a body politic
that has lost confidence in it’s own Civilization.
“Mass migration has been used to weaken the bonds of a shared culture and values.; out of which a nation is formed and becomes a nation-state of a self-governing people.”
So, so true.
Canada is a ball mill where, by design and explicit willful act of government to upend the social order; what is on the bottom is elevated to the top solely for the purpose of falling fro, smashing what has been shuffled to the bottom.
Canada is on the cusp of being the first nation in the Angloshpere to descend into the abyss of Venezuela like governance.
On the night of April 28th, the champagne corks will be popped in the boardrooms of Power Corp. and Brookfield as the proletariat did what they were told and reinstate the natural ruling party (thus the single party) The people that run that party realize they can get away with anything that they want. Just the right combination of fear and graft will herd the filthy masses into line.
I would like to live in a country where my vote counts as much as anyone else’s. Where my children have a reasonable shot at doing better than I did. Where my labour and risk are not confiscated at punitive levels to bribe one set of citizens to solely maintain power and line the pockets of a parasitic class of elites. Where basic human rights are respected and applied equally and not at the whim of “reasonable constraints”
I do not see that happening in our benighted dominion at all in the future. It is why I hold out hope that my fellow Albertans and Saskatchewanians wake up and realize that they scoundrels that spout “Team Canada! Team Canada” only want the fruits of your labour and then for you to sit down and shut up.
Sorry, I said I wouldn’t prattle on any more. If I could leave this country, I would do so tomorrow, but I am like my fellow citizens in that I am kind of stuck. Therefore, the best thing is for us, collectively, to realize that we are mere subjects to provide tribute to the important people, and leave.
Change withot secession will require Constitutional change. Anything less is just temporary window dressing. Good luck to us for that.
On April 28th, my vote will count for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Please, tell me, anyone, how things will ever change.
Westerners will hopefully wake up and FINALLY realize that they have absolutely no say in national governance. That they are being robbed blind.
THAT NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE THAT!
Once again, I am reminded of what my profound and philosophically-inclined friend said…
“You cannot vote your way out of this mess.”
–the REAL fc.
Your vote for what? The Office of PM and Premier appears on no ballot anywhere. They are selected by the Ruling Class and presented to the King for appointment.
In the aftermath of the debate one thing really stands out and that is we are now in Canada in the year 2025 exactly where Germany was in 1933. The decision of Singh to decline to answer any questions from the Rebel media because he asserts that they spread disinformation is the shining example of fascism. The CBC scrum with the grusome three-some is the cherry on top of Singh’s stance. When a national news organization paid for by the state objects to the appearance of a competitors reporters so vehemently then you know they are the point of the spear of fascism. To most readers here, this has been abundantly clear for years but to be so blatantly obvious prior to the election should send a dire warning to all undecided voters of where we are headed. If the Liberals gain power again, and to dyed in the wool, I’ve voted Liberal/NDP all my life why should I change now, you had better shake yourself out of the stupor and see what is in store if you continue to support either the Liberals or NDP. If the Liberals/NDP continue to govern, the Carnival Cruise they’re trying to sell you is going to be a combination of sailing on the Bounty and the Mary Celeste!
It was not a debate.
A debate is where two opponents square off using evidence much like in a court room.
One side is the advocate and the other takes the side of prosecution.
A subject of debate is chosen that is very specific and each side will obey Roberts Rules of Order to make their case using their wits.
What you saw was a game show that mimicked a version of family feud.
The purpose of election debates are to provide a platform were the party leader can demonstrate their wit and ability to argue and show the voters which of them has not only the better policy, but the chops to argue its merit on the floor of the House of Commons.
The venue last night did not do that, and I have little faith tonight’s “show” will offer much either.
‘Debates’ are now about ‘gotcha moments’ to provide entertainment. Providing informative differences in Pary direction is too boring for low information borders. Sad.
At this stage of the game, any voter that remains “undecided” and is able to be swayed one way or the other by watching a clown show posing as a debate is : 1. Uninformed to the point of ignorance 2. Lazy 3. Stupid beyond belief 4. All of the aforementioned. I’m leaning toward #4. There is more than enough credible evidence out there to immediately eliminate any possibility of Carney being a decent Prime Minister.
As I drive around Saskatoon, I notice a red Liberal sign here and there. Do these people not realize who put this country in the terrible position that it’s in? I also see the odd ugly orange NDP sign. Do these people not realize that it was due to Singh’s selfishness and greed that the Liberals were able to continue their destructive ways?
The U.S. Constitution is printed in little booklets that are easily available, concise, and clear enough for everyone to understand. It is inflexible, and always draws back to the original documents. Laws, and decisions are always made and weighed based upon the original documents, meaning, the U.S. will be much the same in steerage until it one day ends. If you understand the rules, you can play.
In Canada, what we call our constitution would actually require a gymnasium to contain. Everything from the Magna Carta, BNA, articles of Confederations, treaties, Bill of Rights, and wonky Charters, to the Constitution 1867 Act, 1982 Constitution Act, British permissions to grow the borders, et al. What started as a cabal trying to protect their N.A. stakes, and keep the U.S. from absorbing the former colonies, turned into a twisted game of D&D where rules can be whatever you want and each decision affects everyone that comes after.
We have no center of gravity for this country. No set rules, no property rights, unequal voices, and no real future any longer. The only hope is to adopt the U.S. constitution as either a state or a separate entity, and toss everything from the past into the dustbins of time.
And pay no attention to Hamas funding, protesters and propaganda, stormtroopers in the HOC, India, Housing, food costs, Bernardo, NATO funding, Chinese police stations in major City’s , $160000 vacations, $7300 a night hotel rooms, offering MAID to disabled and Veterans, spy balloon, Rupaul TV, hostages, tax payer funded Anti-Smetic liberal bloggers, Russian turbines, political prisoners,and Rigged elections or
Threatening to use Military force on unarmed civilians, internet censorship, 2.40 l fuel costs, clean water on reserves, 32% inflation, Carbon tax, food shortages, hospital ICU, Vaccine failures, WE bros, SNC, 3 ethics convictions, a Non disclosure agreement with the last school he worked for
2 failed GG, Vance, McDonald, JWR, Philpott, Celina, Norman, Veterans, blaming the US for Iran shooting down Jets, rail blockades, pipelines, failed UN seats, nannies, vacations, estranged wives, cardboard cut outs, peoplekind, elbowgate, Creston, sandbagging, NAFTA, Chinese Army on Canadian soil, Chineses agents in our virology lab, Chinese agents in our space agency, used Jets, No Navy ships
sharing meals with Atwal, Boyle, Khadr, Wei Wei, voting for Mclinitick, Khans island, 600 million in media payoffs, 6 million unemployed, 638 million to the 15 yr olds, Tanker bans, plastic bans, gun bans, tracking 33 million cell phone , student grant abortion, Failed Fed payroll, enacting laws by decree, suspending the elected HOC mid pandemic, redacted documents,…
internment camps, Roxam Rd, Charter violation Coast to coast. 13 liberal HOC seats gained by China’s Cohesion, 16 tons of PPE to China, taking a knee, 400 billion blown last yr, no budget in 2 years and 1.6 trillion in debt.
Indiana Jane… “yes”
Thanks for cheering us up Jane.
I think she read all your post Garth. Convinced?
American observers and some Canadians make the mistake of rating Canada as a monarchy. In actual fact, the “Crown” (which may have been an accurate term in 1840) is now in reality the State. The input of King Charles III is no greater than that of Donald Duck or Fred Flintstone. And if you want to define the State in Canada, it is actually globalism now, so ironically it is true that we have a foreign monarch, but that is essentially the spirit of Davos and the uncited Nations. I don’t know who is king (or queen), contenders being Soros, Obama, Gates, Schwarz, or any random progressive. Not entirely separate is the power of China to control our State, WEF and China act as separate and somewhat antagonistic entities, but that is partly a charade designed to benefit China.
But for anyone to imagine that Canada is ruled from Buckingham Palace is ridiculous. In fact King Charles III is also subject to the same overlords as we are. This is entirely voluntary, we could tell Davos to piss off, as Trump is doing. They have no moral right to rule anyone with their set of opinions that they call facts (e.g., Singh telling actual journalists that they represent “disinformation” and he doesn’t have to answer — what NDP calls disinformation is any contrary opinion to university lecturer opinion, in other words, opposition to lies, and fables).
It can also be noted that Carney is the least ambiguous globalist ever to seek power in Canada, so in fact he will be the State if granted a majority. So far he has not played most of his hand. That will happen after April 28th, unless he is prevented from accessing power.
“Then Carney, in true “trying too hard” fashion, says he no longer buys U.S. wine or alcohol. That’s it. No Miller Lite for Mark. No Californian cabernet. Because that’s what really sticks it to America—banning the box wine at your lakeside estate. Give me a break.”
Carney doesn’t buy anything, the taxpayer is on the hook for whatever his personal shopper goes and orders from various companies to stock the residence of the PM. In the month on the job, has the PM’s spending on food gone down, or are they still buying the water drink box thingy?