30 Replies to “Make Borscht not War”

  1. Must be a Russian stooge. Anyone who remotely questions the narrative is, of course. I have one question. Where’ are my rubles Vlad?

  3. Incoming Nuclear strikes!!! … You’ve got this New York! … New York Strong! Yeayyy! Right?

    Yes, you can no longer post TikTok videos. Yes, you will die as you take a selfie with the mushroom cloud … and nobody will ever see it. Yes, you will die too, as you record video of people with melting skin. Yes, your comfy, ignorant, American life is OVER. You will never get an abortion, because you’ve just been rendered sterile. Yes, you thought Orange Man Bad was the dangerous one …

      1. Our First Round Draft Choice will never make an appearance … hahahaha ha ha !
        You’ve got a cruel streak, Davis

  4. Just a few minutes in and already so much wrong. The US isn’t sending “billions of dollars to Ukraine”. They’re sending mostly outdated military fear with a dollar value attached:

    – Manual m777 artillery systems
    – 155mm HE shells which are two generations old and the US would never use them in a war
    – HIMARS system designed in 1977
    – oldest m31 rockets for above

    So spare me this industrial complex BS

    Then the stupid tw@t says “the rhetoric …… is not rooted in reality”. The truth US, it’s not only reality but history as well. 1930s Nazi Germany bombarded their populace with propaganda that German speaking people in Sudentenland (Czechoslovakia) are being subject to genocide. So he attacked. Undeclared war. Thr major powers of Europe decided to give Germany this land in order to prevent a larger war. Instead, Hitler thought Germany was invincible and escalated. How did that turn out?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

    The US didnt wage war on anyone. Russia did. Every country has a right to self defence. Article 51 of the UN charter which Russia agreed to and the USSR drew up.

    Was the world on the verge of nuclear war when the USSR helped North Korea? Was the world on the verge of nuclear war when the USSR helped the Vietcong? They were even flying their fighters. Was the world on the verge of nuclear war when the US sent stingers to Aghanistan?

    Ah yes “the powers that decide”. Here they are:

    Putin and his government: decided to take Crimea and start a war in the east (look up Igor Girkin), bombarded his population with bogus propaganda about a genocide, the Russian language being banned, on and on. Escalated the war in order to leave a legacy. It’s all about ego.

    Zelensky and his government: decided to defend their own country against unjustified attack (go figure). Will not give up any land for peace, which 90% of Ukrainians support.

    Gabbard might be somewhat correct about the military industrial complex, but she got the wrong country.

      1. You’re looking at the value, not actual money sent.

        What do you think expired HE munitions are actually worth?

        1. *
          “What do you think expired HE munitions are actually worth?”

          Guess it depends on whether it’s your country being invaded
          by the pitiless Mongol horde, Allan.

          *

    3. “They’re sending mostly outdated military fear with a dollar value attached”

      Amazing how they’ve been able to hold off Putin’s army with that obsolete, outdated junk weaponry!

      1. It is incredible. Amazing Intel is one reason.

        Imagine if Russia had to face 500+ stealth fighters with their 3. 18 aircraft carriers with their 1. Latest gen artillery, cluster munitions, JDAMs, stealth UAV. Look up what the newer HIMARS rockets do. Or the latest gen tank armor. Then there’s things like link 16. A stealth fighter can launch a missile from 100 miles away against an air target without ever having to use its own radar.

        Russia wouldn’t stand a chance against NATO.

        1. Americans are about to field their fifth type of stealth aircraft, russians just fielded their fifth stealth aircraft.

      2. No, not really, it is perfectly explainable why an army with high morale, good training, capable commanders that uses a tiny fraction of NATO tech could outmaneuver and defeat an army that has poor morale, bad training, incompetent commanders and no civilized tech.

    4. “They’re sending mostly outdated military gear ”

      Also, most of guided munitions sent to Ukraine is old and rapidly approaching the best before day, it is actually cheaper to give it to Ukrainians and let them use it, than to utilize and recycle it at home. This applies to HARM, NASSAM (which is effectively an AMRAAM recycling system in itself), older versions of Harpoon etc. There is a reason they have recently switched from Javelin to TOW. US has a lot of TOW laying around nd they are expensive to recycle.

      Besides, destroying Orgrimmar without shot is one hell of a deal.

      2. The British Isles were Roman once.

        Poland wasn’t an independent state (again) till after WW1.

        America wasn’t real until the 18th century.

        Great parts of what we now consider France once belonged to England.

        Things change. What is your point?

    8. Wait, Allan.

      Are you suggesting that if you owned a car, and then you gifted it to your daughter in law, that the company who made the car in the first place WOULDN’T get money?!?!

      Gosh! What an abstract concept! Gifting things you already own isn’t the same as a new production order for the OEM?!

      That the OEM only makes new sales when you actually go and order a brand new car?!

      That’s crazy talk, Allan!!

      Probably 🙂

    1. NATO promise that wasn’t
      2014 coup that wasn’t
      Donbas ask for autonomy that wasn’t
      Western installed government that wasn’t

      It’s all there.

    1. I know you start with beets. Beets grow best in fields fertilized by orc remains (circle of life Simba). You pull them from the soil when they are ready, after that ask a cook.

  7. The genealogy of weaponry aside….I recall, about 25 years back, talking to a guy in an RV park in Texas – he’d done two tours in Viet Nam, and trained insurgents in Somalia (or somesuch….said he and his offsider slept in a concrete bunker with an iron door and had their weapons within easy reach at all times).

    The main thing I took away from the chat……told me he’d trust NOBODY in the upper echelons of the military.

  8. While perhaps helping some to the Ukraine, the billions spent on guns sent to the place is one great business proposition by the US president to the military industrial complex.
    Bonus is that the US president does not have to send American soldiers to die.

    It’s a win, win for the warmongers and the military industrial complex.
    The money is pouring into the campaigns of congress people of all stripes.
    What’s not to like?

  9. Well said Tulsi. Let’s let the war mongering jingoists send donations to finance the war and the Ukraine government. Maybe they’ll send themselves as “freedom fighters”, instead of clogging up social media with their armchair warrior chest beating.

  10. Okay, outsider looking in, but if Tulsi is being flagged as the ‘voice of reason of the Democrats’ (well… in past tense given her recent actions) then how bad is the Democrat core?

    The Industrial Military Complex is a real place. It exists.

    It is not however how Ms Democrat Lite attempts to explain it.

    In simple terms there is Industry, The Customer and The End User. Industry built and sell based on what the Customer is willing to pay them for the (hopefully) eventual hand over to the End User. Industry doesn’t talk to the End User that often because what the End User thinks they want is often not what the Customer is willing to pay for.

    (or there are situations where the Customer believe the End Users need things – like protective covers over the flat screen tvs on warships do they don’t become dangerous objects in collision situations. The End Users however just want to watch their TV without 1/2 inch of perspex messing with their view. So Industry fit because the Customer tells them and the End User float test the shields the moment they leave port.)

    So, a few things. First you may notice things are sold to ‘The Customer’, not ‘The Government’. Yes the Customer is a Government dept, but is not actually the Government itself. They simply look at the spending ever so often and shit themselves.

    So when people talk about the Industrial Military Complex and how it exists outside of Government? Well… yeah. Duh.

    It is such that some nations believe Industry and Customer need to be linked closer because due to the lead time on projects it is now more rational to have Industry suggest things they are working on and see if the Customer has a need for it, rather than the older method of the Customer putting out requests and then seeing if Industry is capable of filling it.

    The other important thing is that while Industry can (should?) make money, they make the most in periods of uncertainty.

    “We don’t know what New Zealand is planning, best we buy new equipment, just in case.”

    Uncertainty is good for sales. It is also good because the good money is on support contracts, not the manufacture and sales. So you want enough uncertainty to ensure equipment is supplied and maintained.

    What you don’t want is periods of actual Certainty.

    If you are Certainly at peace then no new sales.

    If you are Certainly at War then bang goes the long term maintenance contracts. Sending equipment to the front (or someone else’s front) means no one is going to be looking to buy spares next years). There is the risk that rather than being part of the free market and get paid, you will get nationalised for the war effort and get paid in speeches and national flags.

    Being at war does NOT equal free cash.

    Ethically? Completely difference question. I am not attempting to justify any of this in ethical terms. My point is the Industrial Military Complex is NOT what Tulsi understands or describes.

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