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I can think of at least two Joe Rogan’s for the left.
Obviously, Keith Olbermann and that fellow Madcow.
Both such insightful, thoughtful people.
/sarc
Rob Reiner too, before he honours his promise to self-immolate. I’m prepared to assist him with this noble task, if he needs a second!!!
It would be tough for the modern left to replicate a joe rogan or jordan peterson type of podcast. The left has lost the ability to communicate effectively, use humor, listen to regular people and debate.
Instead of real communication they mock and bully. Their ever growing list of offensive words and cancel culture makes humor and jokes impossible. The left is openly hostile to the opinions of working and middle class people, preferring to insult and ignore instead of listen. They scold and lecture people instead of trying to convince anyone through debating ideas
Arrogance, elitism and obnoxious behaviour is the left’s preferred tactics. This is not how get people to listen to your ideas.
The left can’t debate with normal people because all their ideas are idiotic or insane. This is why they become a huge echo chamber of insanity.
It’s a purity spiral. Adherents must become increasingly radical to signal their allegiance to the ideology. No diversity of thought or critical thinking allowed. Everyone outside of the virtuous circle is an enemy that must be defeated.
Think of Robespierre.
the only leftist thing l care about is lm left handed.
generally speaking, organized logical and analytical.
no kidding. my autism has made me into a mini Elon.
despite the usual social abuses heaped on those who are ‘different’
l proceeded to logivally analyse things and navigate my way into a
steallar and lucrative 20 yr career in IT. (because l think like a computer)
it was that ‘filter’ of logic and analysis kept me away certainly from the bizarreness
of extreme leftism.
Joe Rogan started off somewhat to the left. The problem is that people on the left are more reluctant to have their ideas tested and challenged, so that they began avoiding Rogan’s show. As a result, the show drifted to the right, and so did Rogan
No. That’s where you end up when your ideas are questioned and people use logic and science. It is not the “right” but rather just being normal. Joe just asks the obvious follow-up questions that the left are too afraid, stupid or corrupt to ask. They don’t like losing control of the narrative.
“It is not the “right” but rather just being normal.”
By Jove, Petros got it right with precision compact.
Yes
Joe was/is a classical liberal; in the same vein as JFK or Joe Lieberman. The democratic party has moved so far left that all of the above are “Literally Hitler”.
Carville always looks like that last rat he tried to swallow is hung up just below his tonsils. Actually, the left had a contender in the real Joe Rogan. However, they picked at him, censored him, and called him a liar enough that he eventually had all of their crap he could take. His epiphany turned him into the biggest boon to free thinking since the signers of the Declaration of Independence, George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln. OK, maybe that’s a reach, but at least consider it.
There couldn’t be, because they don’t want you to talk, they want to sit there and hector you for hours about what a terrible person you are for not sharing the same beliefs.
Too funny. Obviously they’ve learned nothing from the heady days of Air America where they discovered no one is really interested in what they’re selling.
Oh yeah, a big lineup of heavy hitters that were going to set the world on fire folks…Rachel Maddow, Al Franken and that pencil necked geek Ronnie Reagan.
Word on the street is they’re still paying off Randi Rhodes bar tab that she owed to that kick ‘n’ stab a block or two from the studio.
It amuses me that two big newspapers down under way, the Australian Financial Review and the New Zealand Herald generously proclaim the selected stories that are open for discussion each day. Trying desperately to control the narrative still. All stories should be open for discussion. Until they accept this they will continue to slowly die.
But who, if anyone, actually reads the A.F.R? I know a lot of business types, and never is it mentioned! I sure don’t read it myself! I must not be with the left crowd…
Wish we had an upvote button here.
Joe Rogan accepts ideas which are foreign to him, many ideas which he doesn’t agree with but he seems to often “hear them out”
“Hear them out”, is not part of the left. Their default is control and without it they’re all fail all the time.
So, “no”
No. The mental disorder disables whatever meager intelligence they have.
No.
If truth cannot be discussed,no conversation is possible.
When only the shared delusion is “acceptable speech” nothing of value to listeners will result.
So no audience,except for the mockers.
When one side seeks to limit the conversation,they lose.
And they are too stupid to understand,why everyone else is just saying”FU” to them and their idiocy.
They have no power and control nothing..But they believe the opposite.
The Left has a Joe Rogan; namely Joe Rogan. He was a Bernie Bro and a supporter of Universal Basic Income. It’s really quite amazing that they drove him out of their party, over censorship, cancellations…..
His listeners converted him to conservatism.
People look at Rogan and think he sways his audience, but actually, his audience changed him.
All your comments above makes sense so I’m not going to repeat.
I conclude so far, since the election, watching CNN and others that the left is composed mainly of people who are incapable of critical thinking and too narcissistic to comprehend human nature. They are in my view, less intelligent. Trump has picked up a lot of Democrats so no, they are not all crazy.
Speaking of Carville and just another example of lefty hypocrisy, his new show which was announced during the campaign is called « It’s about winning, stupid » based on his most famous quote: « It’s about the economy, stupid »…of course Trump was mainly running on the economy…All we knew about Harris was that she grew up in a middle class family, so Carville was probably not allowed to use his original quote even if he wanted to.
Until the left can come to its senses and be the classical middle left of yore they will never have a popular podcast like Rogan, not even close.
It’s a new dawn for the USA and the rest of western civilisation. The new renaissance in which the left are still on the side of the witchfinder general.
A left wing Joe Rogan would probably wind up more like Stephen Colbert: instead of trying to understand how the interviewee thinks, he would just engage in a sanctimonious lecture. It would never work.
Maybe if they tried a Struggle Session podcast the left could get a little traction.
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Nahhhhhh… Lead balloon idea. Nevermind
A problem with the woke left is that they have no empirical rate-limiting principles. Empathy is nice but without empirically time-evolved core values to rein it in it gets absurd, devolving into nihilism. You hear this in the doomsday caterwauling post-election—the stupidity of empathy.
They could try, but like Airhead America, it would fail miserably.
Yeah, see my other response. A Classical Liberal left leaning program that was even handed, respectful and debated ideas could work. The current left is so far gone that they would never sanction that. They let the Crazies in then they let the Crazies take control.
How do you recover from that?
Especially when the crazies in control don’t want to?
The left turned against Joe Rogan for not following the Fauci Biden narrative and choosing to take ivermectin to treat his covid..
The
free thinkingleft has also lost Musk, RF Kennedy Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Nicole Shanahan and many more. For the extra L they took Liz Cheney, the Bushes and the McCain family.Walter
So the right won that round:-))))]\
“,,,The free thinking left has also lost Musk, RF Kennedy Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Nicole Shanahan and many more. For the extra L they took Liz Cheney, the Bushes and the McCain family….”
WOW! Never thought of it like that. Anyone with a brain willing to look at reality and not just follow the approved narrative was trashed, Anyone willing to say orange man bad is our friend.
There are a number of things amusing about this “dilemma” on the left. First and foremost, I would encourage them to try. Not because I think they will succeed. They won’t. Some of you may recall the last time they tried this strategy. It was called Air America. It lasted a couple of years while it hemorrhaged massive investor funding by the usual suspects. Eventually, it ended up filing for Chapter 11 and was liquidated.
The reason for it’s demise was obvious. The demographic they shot for doesn’t exist in the numbers pretended. The left is not a unified structure. It is a rag tag collection of self-interested one issue cliches. Many of these groups are diametrically opposed to other groups within same collective (homosexuals, Muslims, Jews). They can’t rally around a unified message (which explains the push for Socialism, btw). And, without a fundamental message, you can’t generate a cohesive all-encompassing audience. You can’t generate the ratings. In a capitalistic society, such an effort is doomed to fail (unless the government jumps in and props them up…looking at you Canada).
So, yeah, I encourage the Left to try this…AGAIN. It’s like throwing money down a well.
Here’s an addendum to the above (which makes me kind of giddy):
There are a number of “Never-Trump” grifter organizations out there. For example, Bill Kristol’s Bulwark. Or George Conway’s, The Lincoln Project. These are made up of grifting GOP Establishment nitwits whole pretend and call themselves Conservative while championing liberal causes. The financing comes from the Left (usually benefactor billionaires). Currently, the have it pretty good. They get their cash in exchange for attempted sabotage on Conservative causes as they are paid to do.
I suspect between now and the next general election, these guys are going to get a giant influx of investor funds, with the caveat of the investor having more control of the hiring process. Essentially, and eventually, the Leftist investors will dispose of the current grifters and replace them with their version of “Joe Rogan.” It will fail, miserably in time. But, the bonus is that the grifter GOP Estab. parties will be cast aside in the process. They will be purchasing a damaged brand.
I largely agree with what you say. It amazes me that they were able to garner more than 10% support in the last election. The thing is they have these disparate (unreconcilable) groups believing in utopia if the just vote blue.
Joe left the left when they went crazy on him for not dying of covid.
Instead of embracing their madness he rejected it.
No, because the left never develops critical thinking. They stay locked into the thought processes of adolescents. Most thinkers have moved away from the ideas of their youth and have come to grips with reality. They grew up in other words.
Leftists see the world not as it is, but what they wish it was. That is why they embrace collectivism (socialism), group think and reject individual responsibility. Their life is driven by an incomplete philosophy, a rejection of reality.
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You just described my X, but she was dam good looking in her youth.
When I was a brown shirt in the conservative party in my youth I will admit to fraternizing with the ndp gurls.
They weren’t as uptight as conservative women who had to be promised marriage and life long fidelity before they put out… so to speak. They were all in ‘education’ at university. A good place to hang out on the weekend.
“…Leftists see the world not as it is, but what they wish it was…”
BINGO!
All the left has to say are variations on “Reeeee!”
Doesn’t matter who they get, nobody wants to hear what they have to say.
Joe Rogan used to BE left.
He voted for Bernie Sanders, for heaven’s sake.
His listeners converted him to being a lot more conservative.
I think thr moment he went towards the Left was his revelation that Ivermectin worked for him….and the LEFTIST Media went beserk.
That was the Pivotal moment when a 1000 watt Mertal Halide bulb went off.
Hes been pretty much on the RIGHT side if things since…His endorsement of the Donald pretty much sealed the deal.
I’m a fan of his and have been for years…am also a recent fan of Shawn Ryan & always loved Jordan P.
has Jordan P ever been on Rogan ?. would be a perfect show
See the thing is, to be a Joe R you have to:
Not be crazy
Be Honest
Engage your guests with thoughtful dialog
Be open to viewpoints other than your own
Search for truth rather than pushing an agenda
So no, the left can’t (won’t) do any of those things; as long as they continue to bully, gaslight and lie people will continue to tune them out.
There is Amy Goodman with her Democracy Now! Radio program. Self righteous, preachy and dry she hasn’t had much of an impact beyond the progressive rabble.
I thought Rogan was the liberal version of Rogan.
Lie-berals. Don’t know what they had. Luckily, unlike most Lie-berals, Rogan was able to think critically, and independently.
Rogan was left-leaning, but the problem for the left, was that Rogan was never FAR left!
Charlamagne Tha Lenard McKelvey is the major podcaster on the Left, and initially comes across as a critical thinker, but suffers from the same ignorance and denialism which seems to attract half the population. They all share a common denominator; Individualism is the biggest threat to Big Government.