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National Post- First submarine in new Canadian fleet won’t be operational until 2037, navy confirms

Even though Blair stated that information is now being gathered the project will take 13 years to actually deliver an operational submarine. Canada doesn’t expect to have initial operating capability for the first sub until 2037, according to the briefings. The Royal Canadian Navy does not have an idea at this time when the entire fleet will be available.

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  1. TRANSLATION: “More like 20 years. Er, could be more though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Might make it say, 25 years (aka “a quarter century”). Let’s be honest here though – it may never be finished. Ackchoowahlee – we have no interest in finishing this thing. Providing for the national defense is seriously unwoke, so yeah – it ain’t gonna happen. Did I mention we hate the country and that we’re all communists?”

    1. “Let’s be honest here though – it may never be finished.”

      And the money faucet will never be shut off.

      1. Source in DND say that the government will supply the navy with row boats that self identify as submarines.

        The bulk of the money will go to Quebec.

  2. LIEberals will be out of power next year, so these frivolous expenditures can be changed/altered/cancelled.
    Would we not be better off contracting our Muracan neighbours to build what we need, from existing blueprints, in less than half the time?
    What is it with the Lieberals and their constant need to reinvent wheels?

    1. I wonder if it’s more of a “Americans are smart enough not to let the Chinese have access to their military tech” thing.

        1. That’s kind of what I meant. And the people currently in charge would just give it to them.

    3. And ten years later there will be a mini-series about how the Walrus-class subs were the Mostest Amazingest Submarines Evar and the Conservatives cancelled them because the US told them to. And even the Conservatives of the day will believe it.

  3. Never answered is why we don’t invest in Nuclear Powered Submarines, given they can stay under the ice for much longer periods of time. I’m sure we could have taken the Aussie route and bought some from the Americans, even if it’s older ones that they are decommissioning.

    1. Ideology. “No nuclear weapons in Canada”, even though we’re talking about power sources. Because some people are literally so stupid they can’t make that distinction.

      I mean, I suppose I could be wrong, but…

      1. Yup. Decades ago Ottawa council passed a motion declaring the city a nuclear-free zone.

        Imagine the inconvenience that caused the Ruskies and the chicomms when they had to reprogram their ICBMs . (eye roll)

        1. Why would they Nuke Ottawa? In most countries if you capture the capital, the nation surrenders. Here, we either wouldn’t notice, or we wouldn’t care. Either way, there would be an immediate increase in efficiency. Why would an enemy want that?

    2. you think they wont rip us off more than the brits and the last purchase , where they forgot to tell us to close the hatch when in rough seas.

      1. Russia has +6 of those, remember this when Canada declares arctic sovereignty or other such nonsense.

        I doubt the much vaunted Canadian Rangers and their excellent quality Sako / Tikka T3 designed by the Finns because Canada can’t build diddly squat rifles will defend against anything actually “coming over the top”

    4. Well
      They do have to be maintained and refueled

      We don’t have the capability to refuel a nuclear vessel but our closest ally next door does.
      Sort of narrows it down where we would be buying them
      And it wouldn’t be Irving shipyards, or one in Quebec.

    5. The last time we floated the idea of nuke subs, the Americans were not too thrilled. Why? Because they knew they would end up paying for it. There is no way you can run nuke subs on the cheap and let them rot from neglect like frigates. The infrastructure needed is expensive, etc etc.

  4. I mean come on, there’s never going to be a threat that we need a submarine for anyway. Buy some new jets for the Snowbirds and shut up.

  5. What the eff does Canada need submarines for? Planning on interdicting the Chinese Navy or something?

  6. I recall something from history class about how Britain desperately needed munitions and the US initiated a lend -lease program.

    Something like that would get us some boomers within a year.

    But we would have to forgo that regional benefit program, so sorry, must save the PET legacy even at the expense of national defence.

    2. To counter the Saskatchewan River Pirates!
      Well you think the locals farmers would know that I’m at large
      But, just the other day I saw an unprotected barge
      I snuck up right behind them and they were none the wiser
      I rammed their ship, and sank it, and I stole their fertilizer!
      A bridge outside of Moose Jaw spans a mighty river
      The farmers pass in so much fear, their stomachs are a-quiver
      Because the know that TRACTOR JACK! is waiting in the bay
      I’ll jump the bridge and knock them cold and sail off with their hay!

    1. Not that buying from the Brits went so well the last time, the reason we bought the four Upholder submarines in the first place is because the Brits built these diesel subs and then decided to go all nuclear for its sub fleet. So any used Brit sub would be nuclear. Which we should be building, anyhow. The Aussies are.

  11. So that will be right around the time Trudeau is turning 64 or something like that… any coincidence in that?

    1. Not true – nuclear subs are loud and relatively easy to track. Diesel-electrics are deadly snipers, and can often slip into a fleet station undetected. Serious naval nations (except the US) still use plenty of diesel-elsctric subs.

      The entire US naval strategy is predicated on holding Taiwan. They have no way to counter the Russian nuke boats, and so the US submarine fleet will be mostly useless against Russia. They’d be deadly against China, though. Until China replaces maritime trade with overland routes through Asia. Once that happens, the US is out of options. As Korea showed, the US cannot sustain overseas land ops even when they dominate the seas (why they were overjoyed with the 1953 armistice). Once US troops ships are being sunk by diesel-elsctric hunter-killers, their appetite for land wars in Asia will rapidly decrease.

      Remember, in WW2, the US was producing arms like crazy, AND consumer goods as well: the American civilian public barely noticed the war at home, but for the loss of young men, and the occasional Jap or Kraut sub. WW3 will not be like that – the US has outsourced so much of its industrial capacity since 1990, that I cannot see how they keep the US public clothed and fed during a third world War against a Russo-Chinese alliance.

      1. Are you saying the UK is not a serious naval nation?

        There are two types of nuclear sub, those with ICBMs and other missiles which just lay on the bottom until needed, and the others which hunt down and track the former.

        1. “There are two types of nuclear sub, those with ICBMs and other missiles which just lay on the bottom until needed, and the others which hunt down and track the former.”

          And the modern ones are extremely quiet (especially the American ones). As with any submarine, though, the sonar technology is the most important factor: first person to detect the other *and set up a proper shot* usually wins.

      2. WW3 was the cold war; the ending of that, which had suppressed or subsumed all other wars, allowed WW4, the longest running war of 1400 years, to resurface. SO WW5 it will be.

      3. “Not true – nuclear subs are loud and relatively easy to track”

        Not since the days of the Russian Alpha.

        ” Diesel-electrics are deadly snipers, and can often slip into a fleet station undetected. ”

        And *not* capable of trans-oceanic missions or operation under the ice pack. Coastal defense operations only.

        (oh, and they die immediately when you fire a torpedo at them, unlike nuclear boats which at least have a chance of escape if they detect the torpedo in time)

        “Serious naval nations (except the US) still use plenty of diesel-elsctric subs.”

        Some do, but they also have nuclear boats to project power beyond their coastal waters. Most other nations run diesel-electric or AIP boats because they just can’t *afford* nuclear boats.

        “The entire US naval strategy is predicated on holding Taiwan. They have no way to counter the Russian nuke boats, and so the US submarine fleet will be mostly useless against Russia.”

        The Virginia class says hi…

        (where are you getting your information from?)

        “They’d be deadly against China, though. Until China replaces maritime trade with overland routes through Asia. Once that happens, the US is out of options. As Korea showed, the US cannot sustain overseas land ops even when they dominate the seas (why they were overjoyed with the 1953 armistice). Once US troops ships are being sunk by diesel-elsctric hunter-killers, their appetite for land wars in Asia will rapidly decrease.”

        Dream on. The US still has the most capable Navy in the world, even if they are going nuts with the DEI stuff.

        “Remember, in WW2, the US was producing arms like crazy, AND consumer goods as well: the American civilian public barely noticed the war at home, but for the loss of young men, and the occasional Jap or Kraut sub. WW3 will not be like that – the US has outsourced so much of its industrial capacity since 1990, that I cannot see how they keep the US public clothed and fed during a third world War against a Russo-Chinese alliance.”

        Not happening in our lifetime.

    1. The way this is going, they will be meatball subs with spicy sauce.

      (Which they will design, underwrite and build their own nationalized sandwich shops, neglecting all the available shops now in use. So 2037 sounds about right)

  15. The delay is probably to change the design to accommodate the mandatory drag queen intelligence briefings.

  18. They’re just kicking the project down the road to give SNC Lavabo time to come up with plans for a solar-powered u-boat.

  19. The requirement that all DND equipment must be manufactured in Canada adds huge costs because there are so few Canadian firms capable of undertaking such work and the production runs are so tiny.

    We could buy equipment much more cheaply and faster if we purchased off the shelf from foreign suppliers but then the donations for Irving shipyards would dry up.

    1. Welcome to the Canadian Liberal Party paradise. But Canada stopped being a serious country a very long time ago. Now you are just Australia, with snow and shitty beaches. Literally.

      1. “Welcome to the Canadian Liberal Party paradise. But Canada stopped being a serious country a very long time ago. Now you are just Australia, with snow and shitty beaches. Literally.”

        Can’t argue that. 🙁

  20. Windmill and/or solar panel driven subs……Greta would love it……..oh no, forgot… she’s out of the Global Change biz and into Hamassiting now.

  21. Imagine being in this degraded Military. Trump used to say- If I’m sending Americans i to War, they will be protected with our maximum ability, air, land, sea and space. No Quarter for
    FILTHY LIBERALS

  22. Nobody’s buying subs. These are just Liberal promises that will never see the light of day. The country is broke, we’ll probably just buy Aussie cast-offs like those F-18s. With open borders, what is there to defend?

  23. Canada needs to spend money on better training, living conditions, combat weapons and equipment, tanks, planes and ships and a means to transport them to a battlefield. Subs should be at the bottom of the list.

  25. The real reason for the 13 year delay is that civil servants cannot scour ship scrap yards any faster.

  26. I expect not even one member of the Royal Canadian Navy today will still be in the service when (if) these submarines join the fleet.

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