There are two paths: one “accepts the scientific reality of climate change,” the other “is blind hope”

Jonathan Wilkinson. Photo by Brian Zinchuk

Here are the big pieces on Jonathan Wilkinson’s time in Saskatchewan last week. The Minister of Natural Resources came to Regina to speak about “just transition.” There’s still a few more to come from it for the rest of this week, including his faith that there will soon be electric tractors for our farmers (where will you charge them???)

Shorter version (if you can call it that)

Wilkinson says there are two paths: one “accepts the scientific reality of climate change,” the other is blind hope.

Long version:

Wilkinson’s full speech on “just transition,” verbatim.

Video of whole speech included with both.

92 Replies to “There are two paths: one “accepts the scientific reality of climate change,” the other “is blind hope””

  1. There are 2 paths: “one accepts the scientific fact that the climate has always changed regardless of human activity and the other is blind hope that the various schemes rolled out by the carbon dioxide lunatics will change the weather”

    1. Well … Biden just opined that “Black Hole Sun” is more than an edgy rock lyric … but is “science” that we all need because the Ice Age is over.(for now).

    2. Humanity has survived many climate changes over the many thousands of years of our existence. We did it by adapting to changing climate. We are an adaptive species, it is our strength. Sometimes we simply move to better places on the planet and sometimes we simply change how we do things. No one had to create a crisis or religion around the climate unless they want to use it to frighten the population into doing what the ‘climate clergy’ demands. It’s never good.

      Let me say it one more time. There is no climate crisis. There is a pollution problem that actually could be fixed if we could get places like China to do sometime about it.

    3. There are two choices. You can either laugh these idiots off the stage and out of politics or you can suffer the consequences.

    4. Right on, kada. Climate change has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future. Were it not for climate change, I’d be trying to write this from under about 1 km of ice Mr Wilkinson is a climate illerate and needs – at the very least – a basic course in geology to attempt to give him a basic understanding as to how the planet works.

  2. If douche’bag Tesla owners get an inadequate network of “Superchargers” to (somewhat) keep their eco-cars running … then where will the Government be building the e-Farm e-Equipment Superchargers? Who has a more URGENT need for fast(er) recharging? A douche’bag trying to “prove” his e-car can be driven more than 10mi from home? Or a farmer ploughing acres … for … FOOD! To FEED the douche’bags of the world?

  3. He’s partly right. One side does accept reality and the other blind hope. He is just confused about which side he’s on.
    Our government, as a whole, can totally ignore their inability to even keep the lights on and yet they stand there with a straight face telling us how they are going to transform our country and install an infrastructure that would dwarf the present one.

  4. Even if man made global warming or climate change were real, if the only solution is communism, I’d just as soon take my chances with the weather. Humans have lived through climate change often enough with the advancement and retreat of glaciers, and I can guarantee that it was less damaging than our experience with communism.

    1. The Commies are in control.

      Western leaders are either fully on board like Trudeau, compromised like Biden or just plain frikkin stupid(all of the above.)

      ‘The reason is that the US government and its allies are convinced that they can very effectively slow down China’s growth by imposing export bans on its latest chip technology. However, the fact that China is in the driver’s seat, because these chips would not exist without the raw materials from China, does not seem to have been thought through thoroughly enough.
      hina’s reaction was not long in coming and hits not only the Achilles heel of the USA, but of the entire Western world.

      From 1 August, China will restrict the export of rare earths such as gallium and germanium. Licences are required to export these raw materials, which are issued by the Ministry of Commerce. Those who do not have a licence are not allowed to take these basic materials (NYSE:XLB), which are urgently needed in the world, out of the country.

      China used the argumentation of the USA as a model for its justification and invoked that it was a matter of national security. This is true insofar as the rare earths are not only needed for electric vehicles and solar modules, but also for high-tech weapons systems.

      The production of solar panels, wind turbines and electric vehicles relies on rare earths.”

      ClimateScam/WorldwideCommunism requires China’s rare earths.
      And Liberal voters.

  5. ” “The first is to identify and seize those economic opportunities that are going to be enabled through a shift towards a lower carbon future.”

    Hmmm? “seize” … “seize” … “seize”? … where have I heard that before? Oh yeah! “Seize the means of production” … oh yeahhhh … a central tenet of Marxism. Well, at least they’re telling you that part out loud now.

      1. Yeah … your MP’s and PM are all such observant Jews and Christians …
        Now STRAIGHTEN UP gym and wish me a Happy Independence Day! In a land where I will defend your right to HATE Christ with my dying, yet scolding breath.

        1. Have a great Independence Day, Kenji and anyone else who of American descent. May your next president be better than Biden.

    1. You don’t need to seize if you can control everything through carbon controls/limits/taxes etc.

      Hence, ClimateScam=Worldwide Communism.

  6. This is a false dichotomy. There are many different views on climate change. Here are just three:

    1. Anthropogenic climate change (ACC) is happening and will be cataclysmic if we don’t do everything conceivable to prevent it now.
    2. ACC is happening but will likely be manageable, and we should avoid severe measures that would do more harm than good to society.
    3. ACC is not happening and we should ignore the issue.

    I’m in the middle camp. But even if you pick door #1, many of the policies brought in make little scientific sense.

    1. Killer unMEDORK
      And you are wrong, see my post below, and go take a course in MATH, and then have your mother teach you to stand up to PEE!

      1. “go take a course in MATH”

        Oh, the ironing. Your math is wrong. You can’t multiply percentages in that manner. You have to first convert them into non-percentages (.02% -> .0002), multiply them, and then convert the answer back to a percentage. At any rate, you never even stated with the values represent.

        But many climate researchers who are approvingly quoted on this site — Judith Curry, Roger Pielke Jr., and Anthony Watts , for example — all acknowledge that ACC is real thing.

        1. Then show us this irrefutable evidence of anthropogenic climate change. We’re still waiting.
          As for Judith Curry, Roger Pielke Jr., and Anthony Watts. They themselves have as yet to show us any irrefutable evidence as well. Just a lot of MOR theory. trying to please everyone. Probably why I’m not a fan of these either. Especially Judith Curry.
          Besides how does reducing CO2 save the environment? If the environment needed saving in the first place.
          At 415 ppm, it’s already at less than one half of 1% of the Earth’s atmosphere.Plants start dying at around 150 to 200 ppm.
          If anything this planet needs more CO2, not less.
          And stop treating CO2 as a poison. It isn’t. It’s necessary for all life on this planet.
          As a greenhouse gas CO2 is pretty weak. And this is what they’re riding on. The amount of warming CO2 contributes to the atmosphere, is less than the warming my cat contributes to my apartment sitting in the next room over.
          Has it occurred to any of you that the 1.6º C warming we’ve had over the past 100+ years or so, is due to the fact that we’ve been coming out of an ice age?

          1. Fine. Have whatever view you want.

            But Gym’s “math” is still wrong.

          2. Warren, even the swindlers admit that; but then they invent mystical positive feedbacks to cover up the mathematical holes in their scheme.

    2. “I’m in the middle camp. But even if you pick door #1, many of the policies brought in make little scientific sense.”

      You don’t say? Me too. The human contribution to global warming, which was shamelessly renamed ‘climate change’ back in the 1990s when the world stubbornly refused to follow the computer models and get warmer (what they now call “the GW hiatus”), is either small or very small. Adapt and move on. And most importantly, STOP LYING and exaggerating about it…you’ve been caught enough times already that the first thing people now think when they hear a new dire climate prediction is “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”.

    3. Well let’s be clear…..there are basically an infinite number of variables in the climate. Pretending that CO2 is the driver is absurdly ridiculous.

      1. Is it not a self healing system?..More co2, more plant growth?,more co2 used for said plant growth until it levels out?

        1. “Is it not a self healing system?”
          Yes, and no. You are correct that more CO2 = more plant growth, but…

          Shelled marine organisms remove CO2 from the oceans (in the form of bicarbonate) to make their shells and as the do, the oceans absorb CO2 from the atmosphere to maintain equilibrium. The CO2 removed by marine organisms is sequestered as limestone. And over the past 550 million years, marine organisms have removed ~450 thousand billion tons of CO2 from the Earth’s atmosphere and sequestered it as limestone.

          From greenhouse experiments, we know that the optimum CO2 concentration for woody plants (the concentration that produces maximum growth) is ~1000 ppm. We also know that when CO2 levels are reduced to ~500 ppm, the growth of woody plants becomes retarded. (Remember atmospheric CO2 levels today are only ~425 ppm). When CO2 levels fall below 150 ppm, all woody plants die. And ice core data shows that during the last Ice Age, atmospheric CO2 levels fell to ~180 ppm. We came very close to a mass extinction event.

          We need more CO2 in our atmosphere, much more, not less.

      2. “Well let’s be clear…..there are basically an infinite number of variables in the climate. Pretending that CO2 is the driver is absurdly ridiculous.”

        True. Also, the “greenhouse gas” with the largest effect on the temperature? Water vapour.

        (but there’s possible way to control that (or make money from it), is there?)

    4. Nonsense. The entire methodology of measuring … then “smoothing” … ALL temperature measurements is purely POLITICAL science. And science has also descended into micro navel gazing as we have gained the ability to measure things to the 0.00000 decimal place. Thing is … the human body and LIFE doesn’t operate in such tiny bands of data.

      Global Warming … just stop with the FAKE rebranding of Climate “Change” … has been happening for eons … and we’ve all managed just peachy. Better than peachy. So just stop with the “either-or” … it just IS … and NOTHING we’re doing one way or another makes a gawddamnned bit of difference.

      And as with EVERY economy there is the issue of “opportunity cost”. We are WASTING a massive chunk of our economic output on phantom “science” … while ignoring the REAL science that SHOULD be done. We should be continuing to CLEAN our environment … not pollute it with solar cells and giant forests of wind contraptions. We should be feeding the hungry (actually managing our abundance of food better). There are a myriad of URGENT needs that all the FAKE global warming money can be better allocated to.

      We are being LIED TO by the Global Warmists.

      1. Why yes….yes we are being lied to by the global warmists and the green grifters making a killing off this fraud.

    5. As usual, you missed the most obvious possibility. That ACC is a scam promoted by the Ivory Tower and other fans of centralized social planning and control. Their most relevant “evidence” to date is computer models and corrupted weather stations.

      I’m old enough to remember when the impending crisis was the next ice age. Mile-high sheets of ice all the way down to Nebraska. Then it was Global Warming, still a crisis. How warmer weather in Canada would be a crisis I still don’t understand to this day. Is it bad to have a pecan tree in your front yard? How about an orange tree?

      This new ACC twist allows them to have it both ways. Weather is warm, ACC. Weather is cool, ACC. Still a scam.

      When you catch them lying often enough, assuming they are lying is only reasonable.

    6. KM – one simple question , easily answered as we have been told the science is settled -What is the correct climate and temperature?Anyone? I will wait.

  7. Translation: “Since some of you peasants aren’t falling in line fast enough, the beatings will continue.”

    Beware the government that owns the press, the police, the military and the “science”.

    I’ll add a 4th option to Killer Marmot’s list: ACC is happening but is too small to have any significant/measurable effect on global temperatures. CO2 increases have a diminishing effect on temperatures as CO2 levels increase. (Close to option #2 I suppose)

    1. Steve Malloy point out that the effect of CO2 is logarithmic about 10 years ago, but he’s a “Climate Denier” according to acolytes of Mann-Made Global Warming (of one tree in siberia).

  8. ACC has never once made a successful prediction, and it’s made a lot of predictions. That’s such an improbable record of failure, it must have been intentionally engineered to be wrong.

    1. “ACC has never once made a successful prediction, and it’s made a lot of predictions. That’s such an improbable record of failure, it must have been intentionally engineered to be wrong.”

      And it seems that once a month or so they are exposed for fudging the numbers. Again.

  9. the basic premise of the climate cult is that with enough money (Ours) and control (Over us) they can CONTROL THE WEATHER!!! which is total bull.

    1. “the basic premise of the climate cult is that with enough money (Ours) and control (Over us) they can CONTROL THE WEATHER!!! which is total bull.”

      It is a TRILLION dollar industry now, and anything that threatens to derail the gravy train is immediately attacked.

  10. .038% X .03% X .o2% = .0000228% is Canadastan’s contribution of CO2 in World’s atmosphere. In other words negligible, throw in the fact of our tree coverage, and it is in the minus range, so this idiot can GFHimSelf !

    1. See my comment above re: measuring things to a micro-level beyond any human (or nature) impact. You are correct … our “science” is in need of a lesson in “significant” decimal places.

  11. Unfortunately for all of us, the Liberals steadfastly refused to accept the scientific reality of climate change and have chosen the path of a blind hope that no one notices they are lying and using it as a cover to accumulate power.

  12. Anthropogenic Climate change is a fraud,Hoax based on CO2 being the driver! I’ve studied it for the last 16 years it is based on power and control and redistributing the world’s wealth! Look up Dr.Ottmar Edenhofer working Group 3 IPCC
    The people pushing it could never survive a debate!
    Dr. Edenhofer has his doctorate in economics——nothing to do with climate studies!

  13. Is there anyone in our Liberal government that isn’t a dangerous imbecile? And what does this say about the voters that repetitively elect them.

    1. I don’t believe a SINGLE thing any Canadian Government, Politician or MediaMutt says!

      Do you?

      So just how above board do you think our elections are?

      Remember. ALL they do is LIE.

  14. There are two kinds of people. One that thinks there are only two kinds of people and one who doesn’t.

  15. If the Trudeau Liberal-NDP government truly believed what they are saying then they would make immediate moves to facilitate electricity grid transition to the only reliable, non carbon emitting power source available – nuclear power. They would decrease the time needed to go from planning to approval to building. They would directly assist provinces in funding the switch to nuclear power and grid expansion like they’ve done with multi billion dollar give-aways to private corporations like VW for a battery plant.

    If it was a climate emergency then they’d act like it was a climate emergency. But, the Trudeau government isn’t doing anything but blathering and posturing and making Canadian citizens poorer with an ever increasing tax burden.

    So, I call bullshit on their entire “climate emergency” declaration.

    1. There are two paths:

      1- politicians who say there is a climate emergency and implement policies and funding that will actually work to reduce carbon dioxide emissions with practical, reliable and affordable policies.

      2- politicians who say there is a climate emergency and use it as an excuse for economic control, crass politics of division and personal enrichment for themselves and their wealthy friends.

        1. Greedy, control freak megalomaniacs at the top. Greedy, control freak useful idiots below them. PT Barnum’s “there’s a sucker born every minute” below the useful idiots.

  16. More windmills and solar arrays that, with depressing predictablility, fail to produce electricity in any useful and timely amounts.

    Sure, electric farm tractors. I’m no farmer, but I did drive a big John Deere tractor for a few weeks at harvest for a farmer, pulling the grain cart. 560 horsepower in that tractor, and he told me that during cultivating or seeding he was using all of that. His John Deere combine had the same 560-hp engine in it, and it was at max power all the time. Contrast that with the electric car that takes maybe 30 or 40 HP to run it in cruise on the highway, and see the battery pack in it that takes up a lot of space and weighs up to a ton and costs tens of thousands of dollars and takes considerable time to recharge, even at high amperages. Where does a combine store the batteries to satisfy 560 HP for 12 or 15 hours during harvest? And how many days to recharge such a massive pack after a day’s use, during harvest when the weather is threatening? See, the physics of electricity are an inconvenient reality. The window for harvest time can be pretty narrow: the crop is either not quite ripe or it’s now too dry and the wind and rain are destroying it.

    THAT is the science, not the gobbledegook spouted by politicians whose “science” is based on wishful thinking. The science is also the actual weather and the weather and other records that show that wildfires and floods and hurricanes are NOT increasing, but in fact are decreasing. The actual weather shows Greenland gaining ice even now, in the summer. The actual weather shows Australia currently breaking low-temperature records across that continent right now. It also shows Brazil losing cattle to the cold. Antarctica is not losing its ice either, no more than it ever has in its summer. Its last winter was the coldest ever recorded there.

    Read electroverse.info or wattsupwiththat.com. Both are educational, for those that want some truth instead of lies.

  17. Classic liberal speech,start with a big lie and keep right on lying.
    Would this parasite know “the scientific reality” if it could bite him in the ass?
    He is a NDP Liberal..
    That scientific reality has never turned up,to demonstrate ..
    Defined terms.
    A thing deliberately lacking in this whole scam about the weather.
    The cult.
    Requires willful ignorance of science ,history and geology.
    Humility.
    Nonexistent amongst the Dear Leader Cliche.

    This clown cannot run a deficit free government.
    Cannot keep the lights on.
    Cannot behave with honesty or integrity..
    Fronts for a government rife with corruption and incompetence.

    But it will control the weather,by “reducing our emissions of CO2”.

    I agree with another comment,read yesterday.
    Lead.
    These fools and bandits need more lead in their diets.
    I read of how lead poisoning drove the Romans mad..Seems not enough lead causes civil suicide.

    1. Canada’s emissions are but a rounding error of global output.
      This country could ban ALL hydrocarbon usage, with the only measurable end results being:
      1. No measurable change in worldwide CO2 output.
      2. Millions dead from starvation and hypothermia.

      The End game is what matters. They are lying to us.

  18. The only blind faith I see regarding this arrogant jerk is belief in central planning and pseudo-green, mythically renewable bromides. He is a Marxist economy destroyer. He exemplifies the fluidity of modern LPC, NDP, CCP unity. He is a Morlock horn blower (CAGW hysteria) and over and above the mindless Eloi that come for dinner, the remainder will obey at gun point (the health of the state). The only transition this sociopath (in good company) is capable of planning, executing and enforcing is to a deindustrialized Mad Max dystopia.

  19. At the peak of the last ice age the cycle broke and the planet began to warm (again). It has been warming ever since. The polar icecaps are the last melt.

    Once the current warming cycle peaks it will start to reverse. A new ice age will follow and probably all new species will evolve.

    It has been ever thus.

    1. I agree with the likelihood of a possible next glaciation but species evolve over a much longer period than a glacial cycle (100,000 years). North American species migrated south or perished and then returned as the glaciers receded.

      1. Should I start investing in equatorial property now? Maybe start a little cult/farm in Guyana?

        1. Kenji
          Guyana is a pretty low elevation place. When the polar ice caps melt Guyana might be under water. Just sayin’…

        2. I think your area was missed with the last glaciation but the specter of hundreds of millions of North Americans swimming across the Rio Grande into Mexico has a certain je ne sais quoi to it.

  20. A meme here recently:

    The most powerful government in the world is totally incapable of dealing with homelessness but tells us it can control the climate!

    1. Homelessness and drugs and public finances and knee replacements and Afghanistan and education and parking around Parliament Hill and ethics lapses and expense claims and military procurement and when left to their own devices can’t even manage to pay themselves.

      Around here the city managed to get ripped off while building a police station but I’m sure this class of people they’ll have much more luck with the weather, provided all data gets to flow through them first for ‘adjustment’.

  21. What scientific reality? We keep hearing about this “scientific reality” as regards anthropogenic climate change. Yet they constantly keep failing to show this “reality”. The little so called evidence that they do show us is easily shot down, as to be laughable. They lose every argument and debate, when they do feel brave enough. Yet somehow they end up in charge. It’s because anything told to a blind people by an authority is believed without question. Disgusting.

  22. Man oh Man!

    Just wait till Pierre Pullover punts this Wilkinson arsehole out of the park!

  23. There is one path; one realizes science is an often useful, imperfect, tool, it is not religion, scientists are not priests, their word is not the Word of God.

    Get off that one path and you’re stuck in the brambles.

  24. Damned right people need to get out of the f***ing way so things can be built. Lets start with some gallows…

    1. forget the gallows, Grandad, there are more than enough lamp posts and baling wire for the task. Who will start?

  25. Our neighbours at the lake bought an electric car. They were told it would have a 600km range anytime of year, regardless of weather. It went 15kms in -20°C and lost 60% of its charge. They trade it off on a hybrid, which they like.

  26. Yeah ….

    There are views, none of it science, just models made up by those that make living scaring the population into submission to the whims of corrupt rulers. They just learned how to code and don’t know when to stop.

    The climate was always changing, is changing and will be changing until supernova.

    It will be cold, it will be hot and every degree in between.

    Climate change is a constant, every day, every month, every year every millennium, every eon and on and on and on.
    Nothing much scientific about that.

    Scientology of the “Climate Change” is another ball of wax altogether, not science.

    1. None of our weather/climate has been proven to be outside the range of normal. It all depends on the time period you’re comparing it to.

      The most obvious proof that shows the folly of “unprecedented” climate change is observational evidence. What do researchers find when glaciers recede, permafrost melts and water systems move? Artifacts of human habitation plus remains of flora and fauna that where displaced by the advancing glaciers and frozen tundra. Ditto with receding lakes, rivers and coastal areas. This observational evidence consistently holds true to contradict whatever climate doomsayers hold up as undebatable proof of anthropogenic climate change.

      1. They can’t even say what normal is if there is such a thing. What’s the ideal temperature?

        1. Whatever temperature will let them raise your taxes is the ideal temperature.

  27. CO2 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere. Humans are responsible for only 3.9%. How could we possibly be responsible for the climate warming from CO2?
    CO2 is released as the oceans warm, and we are very far away from even optimal levels of CO2 for plant life. I’ll bet this guy has never even read a book on climate change.

  28. Is this the same climate change that saw camels on Ellesmere Island, or put 2 miles of ice on Canada? Just wondering because I’m a science denying bigot, clearly.

  29. The simple fact is that there are over five hundred volcanoes on this planet, and we humans can’t even begin to compete with them. The irony really, is that these global warming morons have a platform, a voice, that can reach many, and many will stupidly believe them. The majority of the voices of reason don’t have that platform, or are denigrated by the morons who do. I truly believe if you drill down deep enough, and follow the money, you’ll always arrive at the same doorstep. The evil elites of the WEF/UN/WHO, who truly are trying to take control of our planet, and not for our benefit. Of that I can assure you!

    The fools that wave the global warming flag are either complicit with the lies, or are useful idiots!

  30. “The fools that wave the global warming flag are either complicit with the lies, or are useful idiots!”

    Pretty much the entire media – including and especially supposed conservative types – Lorrie G comes to mind.

  31. When the ” solutions” These people are talking about involve killing cows, destroying farms and blocking out the sun, you know that they have totally lost touch with reality. They are simply crazy, and it is well past time for calling their bluff. I think a person can be smart and knowledgable, and also completely unaware that the paradigm they are operating in is a bizarre fantasy. Same principle regarding the ” safety and effectiveness” of those vaccines. Smart people can sometimes be very, very dumb. A bit like that story ” In the Country of the Blind”. Seems to happen a lot to politicians.

    1. I’ve finally realized who the best politicians are.

      They are the ones who come to Ottawa, see how corrupt and broken it is, no hope of redemption and leave after one term.

  32. I recently discovered that the experts talked already in 1934 about global warming and Manhattan flooding. I always thought the climate experts had been wrong only for 50 years sins the 70th. It turns out it’s 90 years.
    After 90 years getting it wrong predicting doom one would think they give up, But there is too much good money to be had with predicting doom and who cares about the misery created for others like preventing pure countries progressing with affordable and available energy.

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