Stone age tribes and dictators fight over the B.C. pipeline.
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So, if the tribe leaders names and the rights of the territory have been established since ‘time immemorial’ does that mean that other ancient customs have significance and legal weight? You know little things like the ‘children are not responsible for the sins of the fathers”. Oops, patriarchy alert
So. The tribes operate as a Monarchy. That sounds soooooo “White man”. Ironically, the white man threw off the chains of monarchy hundreds of years ago. Go pipeline protestors!! Throw off the chains of your tribal Monarchy!! Block the white mans shit!! And then STOP living with and using the white mans shit … like gasoline and all products produced by fossil fuel energy. So. In essence go back to wearing loin cloths and barking at the moon. Come on now, walk your talk.
Perhaps the protestors will need to slaughter their tribal elders? Like a good old fashioned Tribal slaughter. Wake up kiddies! Your teachers LIED to you when they said First Nations lived in total peace and harmony with nature. Ha! They lived according to HUMAN NATURE … which includes slaughter, rape, and pillaging of other Tribe’s shit. Looks like a good old fashioned Tribal WAR is in the offing.
++++/\ Kenji…!!
Like what we have when our government that we didn’t elect decides we have to kill some folk overseas?
had a serious verbal confrontation with a membuh o’ da black commooooonity a ways back how
my lily white cultcha had decimated his.
l shut him the HELL up when l DEMANDED he STOP using MY mother tongue to bytch about the
raw deal his ancestors got.
Yes, our educators lied to us about the natives. Our leaders and educators still do. This isn’t what the article is about. Nor is all this over the top rhetoric helpful.
I read the article. I live and workin the industry/ area. This whole issue is being misrepresented and people here are playing into the same kneejerk partisan bullshit that the bogus native pipeline protestors are: just from the other side.
For the record, northern BC oil and gas is bustling, largely with the help and support and participation of the native bands here. Please stop with the “us against them” bullshit. They live in BC. They have a right to a say in how our resources are used. Heaven forbid we leave it all up to the latte hordes in the lower mainland and Vancouver.
So. The Protestors have a right to blockade and starve the pipeline workers? Terrorist Acts by multiple .org’s is OK … because it’s “their resources too”? Long established (“from time immemorial”) Tribal organization must be ditched because some Terrorists who claim some Tribal-or-other identity demand to have THEIR way … as opposed to ALL the Tribal Councils.
This is exactly what the article is about. It’s about “fluid” Native identities and organization. You know full well that the genetic lineage of Chiefs is established Native governance. The random Terrorist “Native” Org’s. who are challenging that Order are Terrorists. Neither the white mans Nation or the First Nations should tolerate Terrorism … by ANY group. Terrorist skirmishes ARE … War. Whether they paint their faces or not.
Heaven forbid we leave it all up to the latte hordes in the lower mainland and Vancouver.
But it’s those latte hordes who are our superiors in every way, shape, and form. How dare we, the untermenschen, the deplorables, the redneck hillbilly bumpkins, even question that?
I encountered such attitudes while I was a grad student at UBC more than 40 years ago. They actually do believe they are superior to people like me and have the right–nay, the duty–to interfere in my life so that I can live it according to their will and not mine.
Re “… and pipeline does not represent us”: How about the car ur driving? Or the AC ur using summer time? Do these “represent” you? I know the wonderful technique of scalping does represent you but really, do we want that in this modern day and age?
Well. That explains alot. Still don’t care.
Is the United States playing the “Long Game” with Canada? Should we join?
A simpleton and his corrupt, child abusing, larcenous unaccountable bureaucracy own you. Haha
How can they be against something that is 100% organic, natural, gluten-free and non-GMO?
Did anyone even read this article? I include the person who composed the header comment thingy.
yes, i did read the article. Indicative of the spirit of the age. Confusion, disintegration of authority and custom. Matriarchal system that is supposed to infer some superiority of custom and tradition.
There is a lot of stuff on native tradition there. Matriarchy aside, there is little to criticize of the points they are making.
As for their local government, I find it insane that folks on this site, with our problems with our governments at all levels feel the need to prattlle about monarchies and matriarchies and democracy. Did you vote for anything that is going on? It’s your voice heard at all? Nevermind. Our system is the best.
More to the point is the point itself: they are being misrepresented and misused by outside forces. That seems pretty clear from their statement. That’s the take away, not some “us against them” boilerplate.
Sounds more like the eternal hereditary queens aren’t getting their ring kissing and cut they believe they’re owed.
We are Democratic Republics/Parliamentary Republics. We don’t get to vote on every single action taken by our Representatives … but we get to replace our representatives when they behave like Jao Xidinh … a feckless appeaser. So once Joe is replaced … the Keystone pipeline will resume construction as will drilling on Federal lands.
If you don’t “like” the BC pipeline … then get new Tribal elders and/or BC politicians.
What the story failed to mention was the elected councils that approved the pipeline. The story concentrated on the non elected matriarchy and the individual indians/leftists that either oppose or are neutral on the line. Members of the tribes elected councils, and those councils were ignored.
Every event of the campaign to strand Canadian Oil and Gas is funded from the US through various ENGOs which follows the same pattern used in BC forestry campaigns. They exploit Indian groups without concern for their long term economic opportunities. Ask those Indians from Clayoquot Sound or the Mid-Coast who had supported the ENGOs only to find themselves out of work even when it only involved them in a miniscule capacity. The internal conflicts within this group is likely matched by the internal conflict of the NDP government in Victoria and over the same issues. Several of BC’s ministers hail from the same ENGOs, including Environment and Apartheid portfolios.
That’s not what the story said. They state no opposition to the pipeline. Just the opposite.
They say their band has been coopted and misrepresented.
We need to get over the whole ” they werent elected” nonsense. It’s their right to have their own form of government, and I doubt it’s less representative than our own. Who had the most votes last election in Canada? What did it matter? What did the people of Alberta and Saskatchewan vote for? Was it what you are getting? I don’t care about how they native run their band, it’s their business. I am saf though that in this day and age people still cling to the official ” our way is the only way” mantra even while the whole pile is exposed as a lie designed to control us.
I have no doubt that the elected Councils support the pipeline and obviously, from the article, so do some of their matriarchs. My point was that their name and some of their people are being exploited by the ENGOs as part of a larger agenda that doesn’t give a shit about their economic future. The article’s author agreed.
Agreed.
The NGO’s … ARE … The Terrorists. They should be dispatched like any other Terrorist Group. Period.
Our culture and society have been hijacked by Terrorists of all kinds. Why? Because we stopped fighting back. We’ve rolled over and let them block our intersections, loot our stores, and gun people down in the streets. Time to send in a RCAF drone strike on the very next illegal terrorist blockade of the pipeline. Blow it to smithereens. And yes, I am DEAD serious … it’s not simply “inflammatory rhetoric”
We don’t allow anti-abortion protestors to block the entrances to clinics. Hell … in most places they have to stay 1,000 ft from the clinics. But pipeline protestors can block roads!? All LEGITIMATE protests should be treated equally. Get OFF the damn roadways … and don’t DARE touch the machinery or materials.
Reads like they have gov’t problems of their own to contend with.
Don’t we all
Related:
This federal minister says it’s time to give land back to Indigenous peoples. What could that look like?
I love the idea. We’ll start with Moan-Real, Ottawa, Tranna, Edmonchuck & Greater Hongcouver, for a start. Where do I send the cheque?
They’re well on their way to that in Edmonton. Our wards now have Indian names, even though the voters had no say in the matter. The former sh*tty council, under the guidance of Dumbass Donny Iveson, simply decided that.
Slowly, they’re giving it all back to the We Was Here First Nations.
So, if the tribe leaders names and the rights of the territory have been established since ‘time immemorial’ does that mean that other ancient customs have significance and legal weight? You know little things like the ‘children are not responsible for the sins of the fathers”. Oops, patriarchy alert
So. The tribes operate as a Monarchy. That sounds soooooo “White man”. Ironically, the white man threw off the chains of monarchy hundreds of years ago. Go pipeline protestors!! Throw off the chains of your tribal Monarchy!! Block the white mans shit!! And then STOP living with and using the white mans shit … like gasoline and all products produced by fossil fuel energy. So. In essence go back to wearing loin cloths and barking at the moon. Come on now, walk your talk.
Perhaps the protestors will need to slaughter their tribal elders? Like a good old fashioned Tribal slaughter. Wake up kiddies! Your teachers LIED to you when they said First Nations lived in total peace and harmony with nature. Ha! They lived according to HUMAN NATURE … which includes slaughter, rape, and pillaging of other Tribe’s shit. Looks like a good old fashioned Tribal WAR is in the offing.
++++/\ Kenji…!!
Like what we have when our government that we didn’t elect decides we have to kill some folk overseas?
had a serious verbal confrontation with a membuh o’ da black commooooonity a ways back how
my lily white cultcha had decimated his.
l shut him the HELL up when l DEMANDED he STOP using MY mother tongue to bytch about the
raw deal his ancestors got.
Yes, our educators lied to us about the natives. Our leaders and educators still do. This isn’t what the article is about. Nor is all this over the top rhetoric helpful.
I read the article. I live and workin the industry/ area. This whole issue is being misrepresented and people here are playing into the same kneejerk partisan bullshit that the bogus native pipeline protestors are: just from the other side.
For the record, northern BC oil and gas is bustling, largely with the help and support and participation of the native bands here. Please stop with the “us against them” bullshit. They live in BC. They have a right to a say in how our resources are used. Heaven forbid we leave it all up to the latte hordes in the lower mainland and Vancouver.
So. The Protestors have a right to blockade and starve the pipeline workers? Terrorist Acts by multiple .org’s is OK … because it’s “their resources too”? Long established (“from time immemorial”) Tribal organization must be ditched because some Terrorists who claim some Tribal-or-other identity demand to have THEIR way … as opposed to ALL the Tribal Councils.
This is exactly what the article is about. It’s about “fluid” Native identities and organization. You know full well that the genetic lineage of Chiefs is established Native governance. The random Terrorist “Native” Org’s. who are challenging that Order are Terrorists. Neither the white mans Nation or the First Nations should tolerate Terrorism … by ANY group. Terrorist skirmishes ARE … War. Whether they paint their faces or not.
Heaven forbid we leave it all up to the latte hordes in the lower mainland and Vancouver.
But it’s those latte hordes who are our superiors in every way, shape, and form. How dare we, the untermenschen, the deplorables, the redneck hillbilly bumpkins, even question that?
I encountered such attitudes while I was a grad student at UBC more than 40 years ago. They actually do believe they are superior to people like me and have the right–nay, the duty–to interfere in my life so that I can live it according to their will and not mine.
Re “… and pipeline does not represent us”: How about the car ur driving? Or the AC ur using summer time? Do these “represent” you? I know the wonderful technique of scalping does represent you but really, do we want that in this modern day and age?
Well. That explains alot. Still don’t care.
Is the United States playing the “Long Game” with Canada? Should we join?
https://youtu.be/2jgK0YfgcZE?t=2875
Watch the whole series on Youtube.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/co-operative-commonwealth-federation
Old ladies from 5 families own you.
Haha!
A simpleton and his corrupt, child abusing, larcenous unaccountable bureaucracy own you. Haha
How can they be against something that is 100% organic, natural, gluten-free and non-GMO?
Did anyone even read this article? I include the person who composed the header comment thingy.
yes, i did read the article. Indicative of the spirit of the age. Confusion, disintegration of authority and custom. Matriarchal system that is supposed to infer some superiority of custom and tradition.
There is a lot of stuff on native tradition there. Matriarchy aside, there is little to criticize of the points they are making.
As for their local government, I find it insane that folks on this site, with our problems with our governments at all levels feel the need to prattlle about monarchies and matriarchies and democracy. Did you vote for anything that is going on? It’s your voice heard at all? Nevermind. Our system is the best.
More to the point is the point itself: they are being misrepresented and misused by outside forces. That seems pretty clear from their statement. That’s the take away, not some “us against them” boilerplate.
Sounds more like the eternal hereditary queens aren’t getting their ring kissing and cut they believe they’re owed.
We are Democratic Republics/Parliamentary Republics. We don’t get to vote on every single action taken by our Representatives … but we get to replace our representatives when they behave like Jao Xidinh … a feckless appeaser. So once Joe is replaced … the Keystone pipeline will resume construction as will drilling on Federal lands.
If you don’t “like” the BC pipeline … then get new Tribal elders and/or BC politicians.
What the story failed to mention was the elected councils that approved the pipeline. The story concentrated on the non elected matriarchy and the individual indians/leftists that either oppose or are neutral on the line. Members of the tribes elected councils, and those councils were ignored.
Every event of the campaign to strand Canadian Oil and Gas is funded from the US through various ENGOs which follows the same pattern used in BC forestry campaigns. They exploit Indian groups without concern for their long term economic opportunities. Ask those Indians from Clayoquot Sound or the Mid-Coast who had supported the ENGOs only to find themselves out of work even when it only involved them in a miniscule capacity. The internal conflicts within this group is likely matched by the internal conflict of the NDP government in Victoria and over the same issues. Several of BC’s ministers hail from the same ENGOs, including Environment and Apartheid portfolios.
That’s not what the story said. They state no opposition to the pipeline. Just the opposite.
They say their band has been coopted and misrepresented.
We need to get over the whole ” they werent elected” nonsense. It’s their right to have their own form of government, and I doubt it’s less representative than our own. Who had the most votes last election in Canada? What did it matter? What did the people of Alberta and Saskatchewan vote for? Was it what you are getting? I don’t care about how they native run their band, it’s their business. I am saf though that in this day and age people still cling to the official ” our way is the only way” mantra even while the whole pile is exposed as a lie designed to control us.
I have no doubt that the elected Councils support the pipeline and obviously, from the article, so do some of their matriarchs. My point was that their name and some of their people are being exploited by the ENGOs as part of a larger agenda that doesn’t give a shit about their economic future. The article’s author agreed.
Agreed.
The NGO’s … ARE … The Terrorists. They should be dispatched like any other Terrorist Group. Period.
Our culture and society have been hijacked by Terrorists of all kinds. Why? Because we stopped fighting back. We’ve rolled over and let them block our intersections, loot our stores, and gun people down in the streets. Time to send in a RCAF drone strike on the very next illegal terrorist blockade of the pipeline. Blow it to smithereens. And yes, I am DEAD serious … it’s not simply “inflammatory rhetoric”
We don’t allow anti-abortion protestors to block the entrances to clinics. Hell … in most places they have to stay 1,000 ft from the clinics. But pipeline protestors can block roads!? All LEGITIMATE protests should be treated equally. Get OFF the damn roadways … and don’t DARE touch the machinery or materials.
Reads like they have gov’t problems of their own to contend with.
Don’t we all
Related:
This federal minister says it’s time to give land back to Indigenous peoples. What could that look like?
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/12/05/this-federal-minister-says-its-time-to-give-land-back-to-indigenous-peoples-what-could-that-look-like.html
I love the idea. We’ll start with Moan-Real, Ottawa, Tranna, Edmonchuck & Greater Hongcouver, for a start. Where do I send the cheque?
They’re well on their way to that in Edmonton. Our wards now have Indian names, even though the voters had no say in the matter. The former sh*tty council, under the guidance of Dumbass Donny Iveson, simply decided that.
Slowly, they’re giving it all back to the We Was Here First Nations.