The Allison Redford, nanny-land of Alberta strikes again. Red Deer bans e-cigs in public places.
They’re calling it smoking and I imagine this will be challenged at some point, as it isn’t smoking. The basis for banning smoking from public places was always sold as a safety move, second-hand smoke is a danger. Vaping doesn’t hold that danger. No one even knows if it’s dangerous for the primary user.
So, Red Deer is banning something they know nothing about except that it’s a nicotine delivery system, that hurts no one. Banning it on the basis that when I exhale, it looks like smoke…for about two seconds.
I still haven’t smoked since I started vaping in February, and I’m down to an 8mg nicotine blend from 24mg when I started.
second-hand smoke is a danger.
Not really. Those studies are based on bathing people in 2nd hand smoke. Casual exposure has not been demonstrated to be dangerous.
OK lance! Where do you get the Nicotine Blend? I bought the Kit
from a Pharmacy in Regina but all the flavor Options were Nicotine free.. My old pipe is still in the Action although pipe Tobacco is near impossible to obtain in Saskatchewan & I refuse to go back to Cigarettes
A primer of SASK sources please!
I can’t wait until someone goes to a concert, stands in a dense fog of smoke machine vapor and get kicked out for adding traces more of the same thing to it. And almost nobody will see the absurdity of it.
Every. Single. Person. I know who uses these is doing it instead of smoking. And the powers that be are all-consumed with this idea that kids are somehow going to take up vaping then move on to cigarettes because apparently nicotine and water is just the gateway drug they need in order to move on to more hardcore coughing, tar, unpleasant breath and risk of cancer without any additional discernable benefit.
If you pay attention to news media they are starting to peddle the story about the evils and dangers of “vaping”. One medical study where nicotine is extremely carciongenic. Another where the life insurance industry says that vaping and e-cigs do nothing for quitting the habit and will have a high recidivism rate. Personally I think the governments and PTB are worried about losing all the taxes from people going to this alternative.
I have started vaping recently myself in order to quit. Initial outlay is more then a carton of cigarettes. I think it will be worth it though in the long run.
second-hand smoke is a danger.
Not really. Those studies are based on bathing people in 2nd hand smoke. Casual exposure has not been demonstrated to be dangerous.
Agree
I have just finished 8 months as a non-smoker living in a place with 10 other who smoked,eating with them,socializing with them,etc. I had a drug test every 3rd day.The nicotine level in my system over all those days and tests? ZERO,NADA,NONE.
Second-hand smoke from cigs is a scam.
And Lance…keep up the good work! I went cold turkey,and as you probably know,no fun. But I was amazed at the results of the tests. 240 days around 10 others smoking basically 24/7? I should be dead of cancer now according to the clowns that want to run our lives.
(and as an after thought,just where are our different levels of gubermint going to get the literally 100 of millions of bucks they get from the taxes on smokes)
Okay….I’ll explain it to ya….
Their concern is not 2nd hand smoke…..
It’s 4th hand smoke…..SEEING SOMEBODY SMOKING….
Nobody including the smoke Nazi’s believes in 3nd hand smoke anymore….
5th hand smoke is the dreaded thought that somebody somewhere is smoking….
I smoke cigarettes to avoid 2nd hand smoke…..it has emerged from “studies” that it will peal the chrome of a car bumper 100 yds upwind…doncha know…..(sarc for the idiots)
I trust that clarifies yer fuzzification…….
Progressives have a view of how the perfect Canadian should live, and it doesn’t include vaping. Now having your kids fight with mommies dildos in place of toy guns is way better.
I tend to agree that the moral panic about vaping is ridiculous, and probably driven by both the government and the tobacco industry seeing a loss of revenue, although I suspect the latter does make some coin by selling nicotine to the makers of vaping liquids.
But there is another side to the coin. I have run across individuals who have become virtual evangelists for vaping, to the point of becoming tiresome. (not pointing any fingers HERE, BTW) And I am reminded of a time, when I was in a bar in Mesa, and some hipster douchebag (as evidenced by his dress and demeanor) came in, sat at the bar some distance away from, and began ostentatiously sucking on an e-cig, and exhaling great white clouds of glycol vapor. I mean it looked like he had a steam locomotive in his gullet. Point is, in a non-smoking bar, he was doing it because he could, and wanted everybody to know about it. Douches do as douches do. That kind of behavior does the “cause” of vaping no good at all.
What about E-Spliffs? Are they banned too?
Looks like the Red Deer Mayor and city Councillors have taken a page from the City of Nanaimo’s playbook – banning is an irresistible orgasm!c high for totalitarians.
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Pfft, I’ve *started* smoking more since looking into the benefits that real tobacco has in opening up lungs and the like. Why do most of the folks that live to be 100 not only drink but also seem to smoke way more than average?
I think it’s more the fear of those “burning one” with the spliffs that drives this more than just vaping. We’ve reached the point (or nadir, whatever) in society where med maryjane is okay but those still doing it in public is taboo.
Those who say second hand smoke poses no risks need to tell that to my dead aunt. Get your heads out of the sand folks.
The only second hand smoke I like is that which comes from a 2″ thick Alberta dry-aged cooking on my grill.
As for e-sigs, if you try to rationalize government decisions you will end up in the insane asylum. Look at the push to legalize marijuana even though the preferred way to consume it is to smoke it. Figure out the logic of that one.
Luckily it is summer folks. Fire up the grill, grab a beer, and in the case of lance, smoke an e-sig for REDford!
Good for you lance. Stick with it. My last cigarette was in November.
Insite: Supervised injection of real, harmful drugs: OK
Costs public money and the drugs themselves harm people.
Unsupervised use of fake and harmless cigarettes: Not OK.
Costs nothing to the taxpayer, harms nobody, and in fact may keep an addict from harming himself.
Liberal math.
Of course. They never did give two f*cks in a cat’s ass about anyone’s health, they just want to be able to control other people. If they can’t have that they’d have to settle for living their own.
Municipal politicians are typically uneducated buffoons. Entrusting approval of large scale industrial projects to them should not be allowed. Did I say they are idiots?
I started vaping last week and I am using the 18mg liquid, haven’t had a smoke or a dip since. Anybody who believes vaping is like smoking should just keep smoking what their smoking. And Red Deer better look at their own air quality during peak traffic times, they might want to ban that too.
Politicians and power trips. If it wasn’t smoking it would be something else.
The health risks of second hand smoke have been greatly exaggerated.
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.extract
You seldom say stupid stuff.The second hand smoke stuff was stupid.
That’s part of the reason why this ban is so bizarre, you can’t buy nicotine e-juice in Canada-for now. That mayor is banning a product that does not even have nicotine in it, yet is lumping it with tobacco products. This is a “legacy” move on this mayors part, albeit a stupid irrational one. As others have mentioned, the real problem is the smug self-righteous prigs who equate putting an object to ones lips in public with picking your nose.
Unless you need it to get off the cancer sticks, why would anyone want the hassle, bother and expense to vape. Oh, yeah, the “cool factor”. In other words you are nothing but a sucker for some marketing pitch and you are so socially fragile that the need to belong overwhelms the ability to be strong, confident and independent from these dumbass fads. Mock the vapers. Far more effective than some pretentious regulation.
Lori, you are wrong. Juice with nicotine is available all over the place.
Phillip, sorry, missed your post earlier. There are at least four Saskatchewan suppliers of juice (with and w/out nicotine) and gear.
Prairie Vapes – Wilkie – Online
Vapor Jedi, Saskatoon, storefront and online.
eCigMod – Regina – Online
and there is a storefront in Regina that I haven’t been to where Harvest Brewing used to be on Broad near the Sears, I don’t know the name of it or I’d link it to.
Personally, my favourite place for juice is Flavour Crafters. Their tobacco flavoured blends are just amazing.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the gear you got at the pharmacy is going to cut it for you though. Those are _usually_ the ‘no-name brand of penny-candy’, if you get my drift.
You have to be able to put juice in and charge the battery for it to be any good. I don’t know what you got, though, so maybe you have a good unit.
I’ve changed my setup some. Gone from the Juicy cartomizers to Aspire tanks with replaceable atomizers. Gone from the 650mah e-Go style battery to an 1000 mah variable volt e-Go style. Much better.
Wife and I switched to vaporizers 3 months ago. Plenty of variety for flavor blends. Started with 18 nic content, now at 6. Using in only the most trying of urges.
As for vaping in public, only outdoors. Guess we’ve been conditioned.
So, just like making a gun with your fingers is a crime…so is pretending to smoke.
Power to the correct people for the good of the people.
These power-hungry do-gooders will never stop.
This is what turns their crank.
Just as stupid cannot be fixed, it must never be encouraged.
Unless its marijuana. The left makes an exception for that. As do the anti-smoking zealots.
No second hand smoke issues there.
Since the smoking lobby has pretty much won, its now on a crusade to find something new to go after. In fact they are losing power sdo need a new issue to force on people. Since prohibition didn’t work, & depriving people of a hoot would harm them politically . They can’t go after these products. So now its phoney issues to prop an ailing political force of Nazis without a cause.Money of course is always a factor.
Anyone who thinks that the use of these gadgets in public places would be acceptable is delusional. Anyone who thinks that the entire anti-smoking crusade is about health falls into the same category. Craven politicians, lusting for power and control, addicted to the need to appear progressive and bullied relentlessly by busy-body anti-smoking zealots are all too eager to pass restrictive legislation, all the while ignoring common sense.
The fact that these vaporizers will be painted with the same brush as cigarettes simply adds credence to the fact that smoking bans are not based on health issues. Never have been and never will be.
@Skip – do a little research. Vaping costs much less than smoking and I don’t know where the “cool thing” you mention comes from. There is a hassle involved from getting the device, to mixing your own juice (technically buying premade juice with nicotine in it is illegal, kinda, in Canada). The facts are that the device allows you to inhale a mixture of the same chemicals that you will find in inhalers and vaporizers with the addition of nicotine, and the removal of all of the tar, chemicals, and other byproducts of burning tobacco is a bonus. These are better for a person who has an addiction to nicotine. They can be used to quit smoking, but they cannot be marketed as such as Health Canada has been sitting on their hands since around 2009 and refuses to make a determination on them. Somehow I think that the companies that make medical products to quit smoking have had some influence on the decision as well. The cost to the government in lost tobacco revenues is potentially huge if people convert, and I suspect that is a factor in many of the decisions around the devices.
To ban them is to not understand how they work, what they are, what they produce, and why people use them. It is a public reaction to a non-existent problem by anti-smoking zealots who don’t even want to see someone put anything in their face, I guess unless it is marijuana, that’s cool for them.
Technically it is illegal according to Health Canada, and you cannot buy it at grocery or drug stores where e-cig kits are sold is what I meant. I am aware that nicotine juice is sold online and in specialty shops.
Isn’t there supposed to be some kind of separation of powers in this country? In other words, for every issue, there should be one – or zero – levels of government whose responsibility is to deal with it. Not three, or even two.
Michael Ignatieff certainly has written that there was a separation of powers. Maybe he can chime in on this one from down south?
BC – although I’m sorry about your aunt, I ask that you think about what you said for a moment. Smokers have roughly a twenty times higher incidence of lung cancer than humanity at large. That’s the risk to them. That means that for 21 smokers that get lung cancer, one would have gotten it whether they were a smoker or not. That’s the sort of risk potential that those who are referring to the second-hand smoking studies are referencing. It’s not that those who are exposed to or bathed in second hand smoke will never get cancer. It’s that they have the same statistical risk as someone who has never smoked.
That seems pretty straightforward, but it has happened several times that I’ve been talking about second-hand smoke risks to someone and either they or someone on the periphery of the discussion hijacks the discussion with a friend or family member who has died of lung cancer and gone on a rant about how the rest of us are unfeeling jerks and how dare we defend big tobacco, and they will not listen to, hear, or consider anything said or brought up by the others in the discussion. It’s not easy for you, I understand, but do you realize that you’re doing the equivalent of shouting RA$ISTS! at us, and telling us to shut up? If you were trying to make a point (eg “I think second-hand smoke does cause some cancers, and I think my aunt was a victim of this”) then it was lost because of your tone. Just something to think about.
So, if I want to buy a racing bike, either motocross or track, and take to the local bush-league racing year, that’s not an issue?
How about I buy my 10 year old one? Or, one for all 3 kids?
No stress on the medical system there?
Multiply that by every “adrenalin” sport you can think of.
But you have to make “healthy choices in life” and smoking and vaping don’t have the mystic of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Capitan#BASE_jumping
When you realize that all the hype about the dangerous “secondhand smoke” is junk science…..it falls that this is just a means to explain away lung cancer in non-smokers. Anecdotes of alleged deceased relatives is part of it…..