SDA regular Gord Tulk posted this in Reader Tips:
I think that SunTv owes Kate a royalty cheque too:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/06/11/18271031.html
“Twelve months after Fox News launched in the U.S. in the late 1990s, it had the same number of viewers Sun News has after just two months on-air.”
Bravo!!
In case you weren’t aware, you can watch many Sun News videos here.
“Lookout @ 11:49…I was told by Kory Teneycke that Kate told him she was not interested in appearing on Sun News Network….he told me to pester her about it!!! LOL….Kate! consider yourself pestered!
You would be FABULOUS!!
Posted by: Soccermom at June 13, 2011 12:10 PM”
Kate you could be like Sarah P. and have a broadcast studio in your paint shop so you would not have to waste time travelling. You would be great.
bverwey
Yep, the National Socialists were creatures of the left; though many will try to paper over or minimize the association for a variety of political reasons.
In short, the individual is subsumed to the everpresent ‘collective’; up to and including the proverbial shot to the head.
How y’all got here from the topic at hand “Kudos to SUN-TV” I’m not quite sure…
No doubt Kate would give you stern warning on staying on topic…
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Sun News TV is still a work in progress although I must say they are improving daily. You can tell the MSM are worried when stories about nobody watching Sun are starting to become regular fare.
Caldwell strikes me as more of a talk radio kind of guy. I get annoyed and then distracted by his hand waving hocus pokus. It is as if he was trying to outdo Bill O’Reilly with his trademark “the spin stops here” gesture. Theo certainly covers the spectrum of topics though.
All this left right left right nonsense going on here makes me think that this discussion has become little more than a marching band. Fascism, Communism, Socialism and in large part Progressivism are a product of anti-theist scientism aka Humanism. Having replaced any sense of higher Being or Higher purpose with humanity’s limited scope they set about creating utopias each seeking to utterly destroy what they saw as ‘root cause’. In their effort to create their utopia they ultimately reject the concept of good and evil and as a result end up being evil themselves. Glenn Beck is famous for saying its not a left/right dynamic but a right/wrong dynamic. I go one farther and say it is a good vs evil drama that plays out before us and bids us participate. Complete individualism is just as unhealthy as complete collectivism. Wise people debate over where to draw the line. Under the federal Liberals Canada drew the line too close to collectivism to be healthy. From what I’ve seen so far the Conservatives are moving the line closer to individualism which is more healthy but we must never reach the unhealthy state where only my needs and wants matter.
Now back on topic. My cable carrier doesn’t carry Sun News and I don’t really miss it. I would likely watch some of it if it were available but I’m not motivated enough to demand carriage by the carrier.
ET,
The war on drugs is an attempt to control = Fascism.
“Fascism, socialism, communism are all similar; their focus is to empower the collective, repesented by the state authority and to disempower the free will of the individual.”
ET
A Libertarian cannot be the savage in a hut…He is a wise and well educated individual first.
It is the evolution of Governance for modern times IMO. Many of us are realizing they are Libertarians now.
Thomas Jefferson was a Libertarian IMO. He is also making a “comeback”, of sorts.
“A wise and frugal government which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvements and shall not take from the mouths of labor and bread it has earned- this is the sum of good government”
TJ
soccermom and texas – yes, they are working on it.
I agree; a newscast would be excellent. I don’t want to see just one-on-one interviews all the time either. But they are dealing with topics left undebated by the MSM – and that’s vital. Again, there’s something missing..maybe it’s just time.
I rarely watch O’Reilly because I can’t stand him constantly interrupting his guests. If I were one of them, I’d tell him before the taping: ‘You interrupt me even once, and I’ll close the interview’.
[Oh- and he still thinks Obama is intelligent which only shows up O’Reilly as dumb. And I don’t like his ignorance (and hostility) about the monarchy.]
I like Beck- he’s sincere, he’s concerned. He totally misunderstands Karl Popper but..
And I like Sean Hannity and Greta Van Susterin. Oh, and the newsshow with Bret Baier..and people like Charles Krauthammer and Steve Hayes. Hayes is very sharp; and I wait, always, for Krauthammers perfect metaphors.
Well, here’s a few of Kate’s little platforms that the Tories have distanced themselves from:
* Indian bashing
* Muslim bashing
* Ditching the Human Rights Commissions
* Killing the CBC (The James Moore- Krista Erickson exchange on that was hysterically funny.)
* Cutting immigration
* Killing the wheat board
* Denying climate change is mainly a man-made phenomenon(though I am with Kate on this one.)
* Reducing immigration
* Cutting funding to the arts
* Reducing bilingualism requirements in the civil service
* Cutting the size of government (it’s grown 8% a year under Harper).
Harper spent most of the election reassuring people that the kind of Canada he envisions is not the kind of Canada Kate and pals push here.
Soccermom, thanks for the confirmation re Kate on SUN. Yes, she’d be fabulous. And, yes, Adler’s fluff pieces distract: we turn off then too. And, yes again, if the Conservatives deserve criticism, they should get it: we don’t want SUN to become the sycophants and toadies of the right: CBC, CTV and the rest of the lefty propagandists already provide far too much in that department already.
I like bverwey’s idea for Kate’s studio. And, ET, I agree about something missing . . . but it’s early days and I’m sure the folks at SUN will make needed changes/additions.
Now that SUN’s available, we’re watching much less FOX, which changes if there are American issues we particularly want to know about. And we hardly ever watch David Akin because we like to keep up with Bret Baier and his panel of experts.
ET, I altogether concur with your opinion about that arch-spinner, O’Reilly, and his ridiculous pandering to Obama, which continues, amazingly, to this day. In fact (I saw it via YouTube), when his “body language” lady assessed the exchange between Bibi and Zer0, they both concurred that the negative body language applied equally to the two men—whoops, I mean one man and one minion! That was poppycock: Bibi’s posture and tone—leaning forward and speaking in well modulated, reasonable language—were light years’ away from Zer0’s contemptuous, slit-eyed gaze and slouching, in your face posture. We now avoid O’Reilly most of the time.
Thank goodness, no one at SUN has the hots for Obama. And one really good thing about Theo is his no-holds-barred disdain for the president and his dangerous agenda.
Just to add to the discussion of fascism, the term was invented to describe an expressly Marxian, and thus inherently revolutionary and leftist, philosophy. Mussolini was in most respects a dogmatic Marxist, but he recognized that the industrial proletariat, which Marx had expected to become the numerically dominant social class, had in fact reached the limits of its growth and was doomed to be a minority interest. In the post-WWI depression, he recognized that there was no theoretical limit to the growth of the unemployable underclass, and concluded that they would be the dominant class of the future. He adopted a program that was based on Marx’s, but calculated to produce government in the interests of the unemployed, the unemployable, and the criminal underworld – the unproductive classes – instead of any of the productive classes, either capitalist or labour-based, in the expectation that the great mass of the people were going to be forced to be unproductive.
It was a sane enough program in the circumstances of the time. When the prospect of productive work is rare and decreasing, it’s fair and humane to let the unproductive majority exploit the lucky productive few. In today’s world, where just about everybody who wants it has access to the principal means of production, it’s at best obsolete, and it’s rarely at its best.
But yes, fascism is leftist, in nature and origin.
terry tory – are you serious? The definition of fascism is ‘an attempt to control’????
‘Empowering the collective’ is not a synonym for ‘attempt to control’. After all, an individual can attempt to control another individual by emotional manipulation, by authority, by lies and misinformation etc. This happens all the time – and I mean all the time because it’s part of our psychological mode of interaction.
So, when a parent controls their two-year old with a tantrum – that’s fascism? When a legislature sets up a law that a red light means: stop – that’s fascism?
And socialism/communism are political modes that are based on the ‘attempt to control’.
Please try again; what is fascism?
So, a libertarian is a ‘wise and well-educated man’. Who defines him as ‘wise’? And does this mean that someone without education can’t be a libertarian?
The ‘savage in a hut’ can also be ‘wise and well-educated’ in his own culture.
And your ‘ad populum’ tactic by saying, without evidence, that ‘many are now Libertarians’..including Jefferson..is an invalid and fallacious argumentation. Sinc you can’t prove either – you can’t declare them to substantiate your view.
soccermom, great idea @ 1:08 and the rest will get some polish with time. Charles Krauthammer is great and we need a Canadian equivalent. Maybe Rex Murphy.
ET, O’Reilly is Irish and I suspect that many Irish have a centuries old dislike of the English.
Joe is on to something by bringing up Glen Beck’s “its not a left/right dynamic but a right/wrong dynamic”.
“In case you weren’t aware, you can watch many Sun News videos here.”
OR, you can get SNN for FREE on your TV while relaxing on the couch. Cross-posted in Ezra’s comments (http://ezralevant.com/2011/05/tories-liberals-ndp-the-bloc-a.html):
“I’m getting SUN News on my home-made fractal antenna (no Bell TV cable contract required)! Here’s how to build one:
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-fractal-antenna-for-HDTV-DTV-plus-/
http://www.instructables.com/files/orig/FAJ/JH6J/G6MPFZLJ/FAJJH6JG6MPFZLJ.pdf (advanced fractal)…”
Recalling Kate’s past assertion of having no interest as a contributor for SUN TV is disheartening.
My hope is that Kate reconsiders her non involvement with SUN TV, particularly in this very early critical stage for a National conservative medium.
Lest, like Conrad Black’s attempt at creating a solid conservative Canadian media voice, SUN TV without Kate McMillan on board will also fall short and fail.
A message to kate and the SDA crew.
Ken kulak,loki,soccer mom,hans christian ruprect something something.lol sorry no offence, black mamba,Robert in vancouver, …you know the regulars indiana homies ….
I truley think that all of you have an opportunity to really shape the future of this country ,it might sound drastic and over exagerated but i beleive even if it was not alway’s kate but one of the other’s who through corespondence at sun t.v. could bring a face to SDA and the real canadian think.
I would hope and pray that kate see’s this i find her to be right up there with possible presidential candidates in the u.s. and some of our best conservative women in canada and around the world I think you kate have the vision of a true conservative and sun t.v. could be your canvas to paint your picture .
This is just what i think i realize and hope you would entertain the idea of moving your blog mainstream and into the television realm if not your blog your opinions and ideas .
I realize as well that alot of what you posto n here is from other great contributers to the conservative cause but never the less it is you guy’s who do the leg work to bring me this information and don’t gimmi that crap that you do it casue you have nothing better to do …youl ove this thisi s a passion of many of you in here I am not well educated nor do i have the word articulation or the puncutation or the voacabulary/grammar skills to articulate my thought’s you are truley blessed i admire people like you i think you have a great gift andi think it would be a travesty to turn down an offer from sun news network to be a regular contributor on there network .
However i will also accept your decline as painful as it is, it is your decision to make not mine and i respect that.
Thank you
BUT please please please think long and hard about it and do it!!! lol.
So now we know how Lloyd ‘defines’ fascism….
I like Kates Art . Politics she can handle well. By why be the picture, when you can paint it?
Her prose makes puppies of Politicians.
ET,
Your attempts at belittling me and constantly treating a conversation as some sort of intellectual competition are narcissistic traits but I’m sure you already know that and probably I’m not quite right in the way I explain it or something…Please don’t bother if you are looking for another reply…I’m done after this.
Are you sure you know what the “Libertarian” IDEAL associates with:
Hints: Ron Paul, TEA Party, … If the TEA Party members are not Constitution loving, Thomas Jefferson worshipers, I don’t know who is. And that dang TEA party had so much influence at the mid terms too…Can’t be because libertarianism is on the rise could it?
You must be a Mitt Romney establishment type Republican supporter…The same ‘establishment’ as the Democrats…You know Romney, the Red flavored establishment nominee that believe in man made global warming, the ‘collective’ religion…After all, better be safe than sorry and only big brother Gov can keep us safe, right ET?…Careful girl, your slip is showing.
“And your ‘ad populum’ tactic by saying, without evidence, that ‘many are now Libertarians’..including Jefferson..is an invalid and fallacious argumentation. Sinc you can’t prove either – you can’t declare them to substantiate your view.”
ET
This might not be a precise response, Mrs. Spock but maybe if you “read through the lines”, oh never mind, it’s an expression, you can’t compute that:
Here’s a Time/CNN belittling article about the rise in popularity for the Libertarian ideal I’m sure you’ll enjoy, it’s complete with crackpots like Ron Paul and the TEA party:
*Sorry, Google “Libertarian on the rise” and it will be in the top picks…I’m trying to reply to you with links but I’m getting intercepted by the blog owner…Same applies with the other 2 below*
Here’s another one from the UK where they use the term “Libertarian” (On the rise?):
*(The Guardian, UK)*
Here’s another one from CNN: It even states Ron Paul again’st the war on drugs…Oh the humanity!
*Google it*
Good stuff, ET….once again. Maybe SUN News could bring you on board here and there.
I agree with the thumbs up for Ezra. In fact, he is much better than I thought he could be, and we knew he had passion already.
Theo Caldwell is really growing on us. His pace of speaking brings a smile, as he gets rolling into his definite points of view.
On the TSA and Airport security trends in general, he really has big thumbs up. We have lost our freedom in trying to keep it safe.
Brian Lilley is the one that intrigues us. Like him a bunch.
The morning show, for one thing is hard to hear. I do not know what they do there with the audio.
As far as we are concerned they could give much more time to Anita on business matters. Much more time.
Michael Coren….yup…he gets the job done.
Charles is good mainly with the meaty topics…the fluff…not so much.
Weather needs attention, but there has to be a better way than all the arms. That is the way on every other weather show as far as I am concerned. Put the map up there, and we can figure it out as they talk.
I hope they get more live programming on weekends, but they need stronger voices. Voices with more oomph.
FOX News doesn’t work for us on weekend mornings either. Ìt is a good time to listen to archived podcasts from the week’s shows, though.
Maybe one day Kate will be open to doing some commentary, even if only written on their website.
And if what we see here holds, what many of us are eager to do is to get educated.
SUN News could do whole programs on history, documentaries, finance, geography, mining, and resources. All of it. Include all those things that come into play in our everyday lives, that never really were taught to minds ready to drink it in yet.
Bring on authors, and points of view, much like Glenn Beck did in the past. The history of America as his guests presented it, was so interesting.
Overall though, having SUN News helps to let us know we are being heard a bit more.
I think SUN can only get better as they find what works, and see how it fits with their audience.
Terry Tory:
How long have you made it a habit to be shallow and boring?
terry tory – don’t move into personal insults and name-calling. Stick to the issues. No, we aren’t having a conversation but a debate about issues. Remember, you brought up the description of fascism (without acknowledging the source)..and it deserves to be analyzed and critiqued.
Critiquing someone’s opinions is not the same as belittling. Your analysis of fascism was quite frankly, wrong – and deserved criticism.
However -Your most recent post is an example of belittling; you aren’t critiquing my comments or analysis.
No, I don’t equate the libertarian ideology with the Tea Party. I consider the Tea Party a perfect example of genuine conservativism.
No, I don’t support Romney. I’d choose someone like Pawlenty..with a VP of someone like Rubio or West or Ryan.
I’m not a fan of Ron Paul. I think his isolationism is naive; we live in a global world.
Oh- you still haven’t answered my questions about fascism.
ET, you have a lot of good points but you limit yourself greatly by utilizing a 1 dimensional metric of political views. Reality is far more complicated and your classification scheme results in libertarians being classified as “right wing” when they most definitely aren’t. The worlds smallest political quiz adds a second dimension which serves to separate libertarians from conservatives but likely it is also too simplistic.
For some reason humans like binary classification schemes which may feel right, possibly because we have 2 cerebral hemispheres, but they greatly oversimplify things. No disagreement that fascism is anti-individual and collective in nature and thus belongs on the left side of the binary political classification scheme. Libertarians often end up hanging out on conservative sites but that is more as a result of them having pro-individualistic values and some of the drug legalization related disputes on SDA show that we’re dealing with two dissimilar belief systems.
Great to hear Sun TV’s numbers are strong. I note something missing as well, perhaps it’s political correctness and pretense. It’s so foreign to listen to a News broadcast that tells it like it is after decades of exposure to the spin and parroting of CTV, CBC, CNN, ABC etc.
Sun TV needs some new sponsors-the repetition is annoying. Other than that they just need some time to tweak and polish..
I can see why Kate is not interested in becoming a part of Sun TV for now. The one of a kind forum she provides here at SDA is important. She is obviously gifted with words, and an astute connection maker. SDA is her voice, and it’s a powerful and successful one at that.
I’ve heard Kate on the radio and thought she presented well, so I have no doubt she would be successful in a broadcasting role with Sun TV. However, I think Kate would become bored – I don’t think a broadcasting role is a creative or spontaneous enough outlet for her, and being a TV personality is not everyone’s cup of tea. Some people simply prefer to work behind the scenes and under the radar. It would be terrific to hear/see Kate interviewed, or her interviewing others, on climate change matters from time to time though.
paul in calgary @6:23 – Ha! Believe you me, I’d jump on a job as Ezra’s doughnut-fetcher if it were offered. A step up that would be. So far no dice, sadly 😉
First of all to be clear, the Libertarian ideal does not imply “no government”…You went ballistic when you read this IMO:
“Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person’s right to life, liberty, and property-rights that people have naturally, before governments are created.”
“before government are created” does not imply ‘no government’, it means that this ideal for liberty is first and foremost and should be respected (See US Constitution) before we start installing necessary rules and laws for harmony in communal living.
MY reader’s digest definition of Fascism:
The opposite of Liberty. Using “force” to control.
“So, when a parent controls their two-year old with a tantrum – that’s fascism? When a legislature sets up a law that a red light means: stop – that’s fascism?”
No, it means “wisdom passed along” aka “education”…That’s for the infant. The law to stop at a red light is “common sense” applied as a rule of law in the collective usage of a roadway.
“Educating” and “forcing” are two different things in my book.
Now for the word “Liberty”:
“Liberty must always be taken to mean Individual Liberty-Responsibility, with emphasis upon the duty of respecting the equal rights of others and just laws expressive of “just powers” (to quote the term of the US Declaration of Independence) designed to safeguard the equal rights of all Individuals. Individual Liberty-Responsibility involves the self-governing Individual’s being burdened with the duties underlying his share of the responsibility for their safety of the Liberty of all Individuals, and of their other unalienable rights. Lacking such a sense of responsibility, Liberty can readily degenerate into license. Individual Liberty-Responsibility denotes that challenging freedom which tests the courage and wisdom of Free Man because of the truth that:
Only the brave dares to be–only the wise can remain–Free Man
By accepting the challenge, performing the duties, of Individual Liberty-Responsibility under constitutionally limited government.”
That’s what I meant by “A Libertarian cannot be the ‘savage’ (Or the ‘cave man’ for a more precise expression)…He has not evolved enough to be ‘wise’. Yes, the guy in a hut in Africa can live free too and be ‘wise’ to his surroundings and limited tools and resources…The same guy will not be as ‘wise’ to persue his own actions living in Manhattan without first being “wised” to it though…Is that clear enough? Does it make some sense?
Early North America lived in Libertarian times of sorts (AKA With very limited Government). It is true that population growth and more so the advent of the industrial revolution brought out more “challenges”; but this last century, MODERN man has learned much and documented the perils all incorporated in it’s educational systems and media communication meaning the Libertarian ideal is not necessarily a thing of the past for when it was “simpler times of horse and buggy”. A ‘wise’ thus most probably ‘educated'(Education can be self thought and/or wisdom from experience) will not deliberately poison the stream with chemicals (One of your examples) without first knowing the ramification of his actions. He knows that there is an upstream to his water source and if the guy upstream decides to dump in it too, he will in turn be the receiver of what he sowed earlier. His wealth and his future along with the future of his own beliefs and that of his kids will all be affected negatively in the long run…He knows that. True freedom also includes freedom from conscience. Again, conscience derives from wisdom in my book.
I believe that the Libertarian ideal is on the rise because of knowledge and the communications revolution. Wise citizens are being freed from believing the elites have all the answers to their problems and more so the belief that elites are somehow superior, superhuman and infallible… as long as they are kept in the power they will tell you (Where power through the collective always ends up meeting with hard to illiminate corruption…What’s that expression again?)
I also believe that North America could be ready yet again to go back in that direction because of it. The chances of success at this time would be to have some collapses in the system first…Well entrenched but now sputtering socialism has reached its peak of sustainability across much of western civilization and will start to crumble under it’s own weight. Of course the dangers of ‘dictatorship’ often follows instead. It’s a wait and see.
“…corruption cannot exist at the individual level…It is a product that mainly thrives out of collectivism.”
Here I take it back. You are absolutely right that corruption starts at the individual level.
Let me rephrase for what
I meant to say: (I thought the ‘mainly thrives’ would of given some of it away but anyway…)
Corruption cannot exist at the individual level for long, it is much easier to catch wrong doings at the ‘individual’ level (Like Bernie Madoff) for which the damage should be much less than a corrupt institution which implies collectivism that has potential for much greater reach of damage. It is much more difficult to dismantle collective corruption than the individual (Corrupt) fraudster because “unions” have more power and resources to fight back.
Case in point: The huge anthropological global warming/climate change industry which now affects our lives personally. Bernie Madoff did not affect me personally and his ‘corrupt’ ways have since been stopped. We are still working on that damn AGW thingy though.
And finally, my own description for ‘naivety’:
“The state action against drugs in both the US (and Obama is a socialist) and in Canada as well as elsewhere in the world has nothing to do with morality but with the well-being, both security wise and economic, of the population.”
NOT!
(See corruption at the highest levels for that one too)
terry tory – thanks for your thoughtful response. In some things we agree; in others we don’t.
I see your point about the idea of liberty being ‘first and foremost’.
Don’t agree with your definition of fascism. There are some excellent books on fascism: R. Paxton; R. Eatwell;…
And there’s a fine line between education and control..as we know in the centralist nanny state.
I very much agree with your focus on the self-organized responsibility of the individual. But what are we to do when individuals ignore such responsibilities and ignore the well-being of others?
And I see your point about corruption in the collective and how hard it is to deal with it; each person protects the other in the ‘gang’ to so speak.
As for the war on drugs – again, I see your point, but I disagree that the option of taking drugs should be up to the individual..for the same reason as my concern about the reliance on the individual to behave in a responsible manner.
Again, thanks for your very thoughtful comments.
Lots to learn from this thread. Thank you for the information, discussion and the references.
ET,
“I very much agree with your focus on the self-organized responsibility of the individual. But what are we to do when individuals ignore such responsibilities and ignore the well-being of others?”
My best response is a simple one: Shyt happens. As you well know, Libertarian does not equate to Utopia or more precisely Eden…But again, I prefer to put up with the individual ‘Madoff’ than the collective ‘AGW’ which involves the private as well as the public sector so I agree with you that it’s not all about Government being the problem. Man is chaotic and unpredictable by nature and that in essence is why he is much more ‘controllable’ for his follies at the individual level than at the collective IMO.
And that said, I always remind myself that only Governments have the power to legislate, create laws and apply them. It almost always starts with good intentions but often ends corrupt (Broken). If banks and corporations had limited powered Gov to go and attempt to buy it would be that much better IMO.
The war on drugs started that way (With good intentions at first) . It then created 2 huge industries: The illicit private supplier with lucrative returns for risk because of it being illegal in the first place. The other is the Governments branches: Police, lawyers, prison guards, social workers and the bureaucrats surrounding them.
Many would loose their livelyhoods if drugs were made legal. It’s perverse but I believe it to be the truth. The tax money would be better spent educating and for rehabilitation (Not forced but willingly by the abuser).
And nothing educates better than when it’s in your face too, meaning the ugliness might be in plain view and people would truly “wise” up to it’s perils…Right now Hollywood mostly romanticizes drug use…It’s mostly hidden from view.
Look up Cotton vs. hemp…It’s about early corruption between private and Fed Gov…Hemp is sister to marihuana.
Tobacco and alcool lobbies (Both legal drugs) hate mariuhana…So those Merk, Pfiser and the other big pharma ventures.
It’s all about the money, always.
Thanks ET…We will hopefully disagree again (I agree with most of your posts BTW) soon 🙂
Take care!
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