SDA gets results!
CBC;
The U.K.’s University of East Anglia says the director of its Climatic Research Unit is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations stemming from the publication of hacked emails.
Phil Jones, the director of the global research centre on climate change, announced that he will stand aside until an independent review determines whether he overstated the case for man-made climate change.
The university said Peter Liss will become acting director of the climate research unit.
As I noted yesterday, this comes on the heels of an announced Penn State investigation into Michael “hockey stick” Mann.
Via John, who found it accidentally buried in the CBC Technology & Science headlines, where few will find it to comment. But we’ll help them out with that.
Over a week ago I wrote;
“But this event is less bombshell than it is bottle genie. No matter what efforts are undertaken by a protective media to bury this scandal, no matter how badly the warmist industry tries to spin it away, the CRU data release is now part of the permanent climate debate, and it ain’t ever going away.”
The number of those voicing doubts is growing exponentially – a graduate student at MIIT Tech, this lengthy article in Reason.
More here from a “working scientist” – “I don’t see how these messages can be interpreted in any other way as an attempt to break the law, and I don’t see how they can be defended:”
(In related news….)
but but but but…!!! It was just some private correspondence! They said it was nothing! It was all taken out of context! Why would he have to step down? Why are they investigating? I thought there was nothing to see here??!!?
They are still calling them “hacked” documents and e-mails yet we have only the word of Phil Jones that this information was hacked.
They are Whistleblowers, not hackers, we are Normalists, not deniers, and the coverup of the Climate Change hoax is unraveling like a cheap sweater.
Note how grudging the CBC is in even having to report this, such that they feel obliged to end the article with this sneering quote from an AGW spokesman:
“Earlier Tuesday, Nicholas Stern, a British economist who wrote a U.K. government report on climate change, said the hackers who published the emails had muddled the debate at a critical moment.”
So, once again, it’s all the hackers’ fault for “muddling” the debate, as if the emails and computer code generated at the CRU weren’t muddled enough as it was. Not to mention the fact that it seems unlikely that the emails were “hacked” at all.
It will be v-e-r-y interesting to find out how the documents made it to the general public. I suspect a leak from a CRU employee with a modicum of ethics.
If the CBC thought this was remotely important, it would be on The National. That it is buried speaks loudly. It’s just another Bob-McDonald-ism — hurry along folks, nothing to see here. Don’t question the “settled science.”
The Globe is still running silent of this issue. I see a dinosaur in their future.
Maybe the CBC will change its tune if the name of the “hacker” is Colvin?
If you want to sign a related petition, there’s http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/royal-commission-to-determine-extent-of-global-warming.html.
I’m confused…the “hack” meme doesn’t quit. But is it really that hard to confirm this type of security breach? Confirming this to be the work of a whistle-blower would take even more wind out of the sails of the reluctant mainstream media types who are grasping for any angle to mitigate their embarrassment.
From the very beginning I have been thinking that what needs to and will happen is that someone will be either charged for fraud or sued for damages (or both). Once that happens then supoenas will be issued for even more emails from other researchers. And they had better not have deleted any incriminating ones as they may be subject to charges of obstruction.
My guess is that a lot of these guys will now lawyer up if they haven’t already. I also think it is highly unlikely that the Hadley crowd were the only ones fudging the numbers and violating RICO by pressuring peers to go along.
This will be a years-long process and the AGW lobby will be in ruins along with many if it’s aiders and abettors.
Just sent this not to the pmo:
Dear Prime Minister Harper,
I firmly believe that AGW, is bunk. It’s a scam tolerated by leftist governments who discovered a bonanza of opportunities to introduce new taxes. The release of the East Anglia CRU emails strengthens that conviction.
The minority that thinks as I do is growing every day. You know this; the polls show it.
Regardless of what you or I believe about AGW, the Copenhagen conference represents a clear political risk to Canada. Even given the fact that the terrible Copenhagen treaty is now likely to be abandoned, the conference represents a clear attack on the sovereignty of independent nations and it can surely bode no good for Canada – which is susceptible to political pressure because of our hated and oft-vilified tar sands development.
I urge you as a taxpayer to speak up on our behalf, and to take no part in courting the easy but ultimately useless approbations of the politicos there. We have nothing to gain by agreeing to arbitrary carbon targets, and much to lose if we pledge to spend our resources in trying to fix an imaginary problem by sending money to countries that don’t care about it.
Nothing would make me, (and a lot of folks in Alberta and Saskatchewan), happier than if you were to say “I think this is bullshit”, and walk out. I admit that probably would be considered bad form, but it would at least make for entertaining news.
What I can promise is that if our government caves to the political pressure at Copenhagen, I will be in the first ranks of conservatives who will be striving to change our representation.
Please fight for us. Hang on to our sovereignty and hang on to our tax dollars. We need them.
Yours truly,
Chris Ivey
Always through those evil “skeptics” point of view.
Skeptics say…..
God forbid they’d actually delve into the emails to show what they actually say, which of course would be exactly what the “skeptics” say they say.
He’s stepped down so they can whitewash a finding of “Nothing to see here folks.” It will be just like the investigation into Dr. Wang’s transgressions. The peer review process (and lets not pretend it will be anything different) will support Dr. Jones again.
These universities need the funding. They will not admit to any mistakes or improprieties on their parts. Remember, these folks have tenure. They can do no wrong.
Well I looked at the CBC page and would have commented except that I would have had to register and I wouldn’t want to give them that satisfaction.
But, one of the posters did say that for the best coverage.. see SDA.. Great job Kate. Unfortunately this won’t cause an avalanche of new readers – I think CBC only has 2 or 3 left.
good line from the MIT article: “In a carbon-constrained world, artificial scarcity of a government apportioned commodity will cause some industrial processes in certain areas to be unprofitable, while processes which pollute even more remain profitable in other areas of the world”
That’s the bottom of it.
Don’t count on the “investigations” coming to much of a conclusion. The best you can hope for is they find a way to quietly exit.
My expectation is more along the lines of, this isnt terribly serious, the individuals have been suitably chastened and they will work and play better with others in the future.
The Noble Sacrifice!
I will step aside, take a vacation and when I am cleared by my Peers will be right back at it.
Token gestures to lend credibility to the process really will not suffice here.
If up till now I felt at all apprehensive whether or not we’re winning this thing, those doubts have been purged by this contemptibly absurd Guardian article written by George Monbiot:
Canada’s image lies in tatters. It is now to climate what Japan is to whaling
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal
From the comments…a glimpse into the deranged minds of the global warmingistas:
“Canada should be driven out of the Commonwealth, out of NATO, out of the UN, out of the G20. No country should recognise Canadian passports. They should be told to leave Afghanistan. And they should never have have been allowed to take part in WW II ! Some of us are trying to make the world a better and more tolerant place, but these people, with their tar and sand and seals are doing something dreadful to the Indians and giving us all CO2 gas into the bargain.”
Did I mention they want to bomb us too?…heh
“Canada’s image lies in tatters.”
I guess we’ll all have to put American flags on our back packs.
Thats ok…..we can just refuse to buy British debt when the inevitable crunch comes soon.
Poor old george wont know wtf happened to his country when it slides into bankruptcy.
Canadian news aggregators sinking below the waves.
That’s all they have.
…-
National Newswatch:”Major sea level rise likely as Antarctic ice melts”
Bourque:”MAJOR SEA LEVEL RISE AS ANTARCTIC MELTS(sic”.
Best comment from WUWT . . .
“So Penn State will investigate Penn State professor Michael Mann, and UEA will investigate UEA-CRU director Phil Jones.
In related news the Obama administration will investigate president Obama, police have announced that all murder investigations will be turned over to criminal gangs, and black pots will investigate black kettles.”
Wingwalker, part of what frustrates me is that Canada’s environmental record in areas that do matter, and that do have a strong scientific foundation, is rather poor at best.
Which is a shame because if we had more credibility it would be easier for Harper to tell the AGW one-world types to go to hell.
Don’t get me wrong. I think the whole global warming thing is a giant farce, with a large collection of deranged minds in tow. And I hope Harper has the guts to stand up for Canada.
“Canada should be driven out of the Commonwealth, out of NATO, out of the UN, out of the G20.”
~Monbiot
That wouldn’t be a bad thing to be out of those.
“The immediate threat to the global effort to sustain a peaceful and stable world comes not from Saudi Arabia or Iran or China. It comes from Canada. How could that be true?”
~Monbiot
I hope it is true Mr. Monbiot.
I really hope that light bulb legislation that Harper dumped on us isn’t a portent of evil.
Thanks, wingwalker.
Maz2, even Drudge has been slow to catch on to the significance of this story.
It’s a bit surreal.
Lord Monckton takes off the gloves.. calls for criminal charges.
http://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/too-late-for-resignations-in-climategate-as-requests-for-charages-are-being-filed/
Dear Prime Minister Harper,
“I firmly believe that AGW, is bunk.” etc.etc.etc,
Posted by: Chris Ivey at December 1, 2009 3:45 PM
Well said Chris Ivey!
Might I suggest you email copies of your Harper letter to Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto, Bill O’Reilly at FOX Network in the USA, because the Globe&Mail, CTV, CBC, CanWest Global, Canadian Press all have been complicit in the Kyoto, “Mann-made” Hockey Stick Global Warming, Al Gore, David Suzuki Kool-aid for years now.
Canadians will not get truthful coverage of this massive academic hoax from that lot.
EVER!
“”The immediate threat to the global effort to sustain a peaceful and stable world comes not from Saudi Arabia or Iran or China. It comes from Canada. How could that be true?””
The label “Moonbat” seems well earned in the case of Mr.Monbiot.
Yesterday he blamed America, today it is Canada. Who knows, maybe tomorrow he’ll blame the Climate Criminals for screwing up Hopenchangen.
Or maybe he’ll blame himself for years of cheer leading for the Climate Criminals.
Mirrors are not expensive Mr. Moonbat.
SDA is the best.
Way to go Kate.
Hades has frozen solid and they are playing pickup hockey on the River Styx. “Hell is other people.” John-Paul Sartre 1905 – 80. I’m sure this is Phil Jones opinion of hackers. Cheers.
Agreed Oz, we can only hope to aspire to be all of those things.
I’ll do my part. I can’t find a seal to club, but I think I can commit to water-boarding my birds Lil’Pecker and Reggie Bush with a Super-Soaker tonight, just for the h3ll of it. I’ll stop torturing these birds when you greenies stop torturing my with your nonsense; or, when the birds shut-up.
I have been having fun with the warmies on various threads with the following poser: “Please provide a reference to a peer reviewed paper which shows that the present warming is unprecedented that is not based on the work of Mann, Briffa, Jones, or any other bad actor in climategate.”
Without the cabal of climate chicanery, “unprecedented warming” goes away.
I just talked to the CEO of Polar Bear International, and he informed me if
Cap-n-Trade is not instituted soon Canada’s polar bears will have to go on welfare and at the price of baby seal meat at all time highs, they will be forced to eat Eskimos! Not a happy picture eh.
Like somebody said somewhere, if warming is a hoax, these guys should be humiliated, if it is real, they should be shot.
Once again, the CBC’s customers get a “WTF just happened?” surprise.
“The MSM — for people who like to get their news late. Or not at all.”
My comments at CBC keep getting rejected. (an error occured while processing this directive)
The good folks there may have smalldeadanimals.com in the filter now.
Where do I sign up?
Wente just put up a peice on climate gate. It is a half hearted piece that has ‘grudgingly’ printed all over it.
One can only imagine the kind of pressure that has been building to force the Globe and the CBC to admit that their favorite fraud is falling apart before their very eyes.
Watch for the next big scam … probably something around water supply.
These warmist lefties must be collectively (how else?) throwing a temperature tantrum. right about now.
In-house investigations are a joke. The investigating committee will never allow harm to come to their institutions because a black mark would equal less funding. Only an independent inquiry including a few prominent skeptics and public access to all data will uncover problems. The lawsuit by CEI will turn up far better results.
“Who wants to give up their 4,500 square foot house and 3 car garage? Are you nuts? We need our 3rd car and our 5 bedrooms for the three of us.”/
~FarLeft@CBC Posted 2009/12/01 4:49 PM ET
Answer:
Not David Suzuki or Al Gore, that’s for sure.
“”Well I looked at the CBC page and would have commented except that I would have had to register and I wouldn’t want to give them that satisfaction.
~James
Me neither.
Quote from above
“….which happens to be the dirtiest commodity known to man.”
Good. Then it should be burned – in our cars, trucks and furnaces.
Climate Progress vs. WUWT…
…snip, snip…….exclude any data recorded since Nov. 17th………………..snip, snip,…………..hide the decline.
While university investigations at East Anglia and Pittsburg stand the risk of a whitewash, Lord Monckton and one of his science associates are calling on the head of the FOI office in Britain to probe the CRU leak. In addition, they have asked East Anglia police for a criminal investigation into possible fraud because of millions in taxpayers dollars spent on the entire scam. A whitewash there will not be as easy. Lord Monckton is too tenacious.
“Tempature Tantrum”
lol luv it!
Mainstream meeja motto: Hide the Hiding of the Decline …
What happened at LGF…the Charles guy has his fan club over there…never ending fellatio of everything he says….
Little Green Echo Chamber
AssPress reports: MSM is now running with ‘Climate gate’.
“A group of scientists who run the RealClimate Web site — including Gavin Schmidt at the NASA space agency and Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University — have now begun posting links to their data sources online in the stated interest of making the science “as open and transparent as possible.””
“‘Climate gate’ scientist to temporarily step down”
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/2009/12/01/11998301-ap.html
“The university said Peter Liss will become acting director of the climate research unit.”
Time will tell if he should be spelling his name Peter Less.
I agree that this East Anglia investigation will be no better than the misdirection exercise that Wang got in Albany.
I think the path of lawsuits and criminal investigation is the way to go.
Any way we can get a complaint started on these clowns?
“A group of scientists who run the RealClimate Web site — including Gavin Schmidt at the NASA space agency and Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University — have now begun posting links to their data sources online in the stated interest of making the science “as open and transparent as possible.””
That means the heat is ON. Threats of cuts to funding have been made then, behind the scenes. Not wanting to be public about it, either. “we’ll let you back when you’ve been cleared. Fix it”.
The code hunters should be busy for a while and we will see what they make of the data. I wonder where “Harry_read_me” is?
For what it’s woth (hah hah, my latest communication with CBC’s Ombudsman
“Don’t you think your (tiny) audience will be a bit surprised at this story?
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/12/01/tech-climate-east-anglia.html
Don’t you think that your “journalistic ethics” ought to have prepared them for it?
“The CBC — for people who like to get their news late. Or not at all.”