See, when you put it this way…
Muslim woman are not shake hand with men.There are so many people have the same culture and they do not shake hand such as Buddhism Chinese only show respect by shake head or Hindu Indian only put hand together and put head down the similar mentality and culture. If you do not shake hand it keep you more healthy not to touch hand who may has germs, culturally is not correct to continue wrong idea of only show respect by touch other person hand, why men should touch woman’s hand still hand is part of woman body is not permitted and not morally right to continue wrong west culture to touch hand or even men in West kiss face of woman in French culture mostly, Muslim does not like shake hand with woman as west do not like so many Muslim culture if you think about it is not correct or not necessary to shake hand this is my simple answer. Period. That is reason woman in Islam do not shake hand with men.
What’s not to like?
“What’s not to like?”
I don’t like his sentence structure. 😐
what they shake?
do they shake der booty?
I think even the prophet like that.
I for one have absolutely no problem with the rights of Muslims to determine their culture/religious values of conduct.
That Right is Fundamental
It is ONLY when the values/practice collide with MY “rights”, do I have a problem.
We can believe in different values of conduct without conflict….
What a retard. Not Muslim either. Possibly a CHRC committee in drag as a brain-damaged high school student.
“…Muslim does not like shake hand with woman as west…” [Not really sure where that partial quote should’ve started or ended.]
Of course Muslim does not like shake hand with woman, why would Muslim? Muslim gets to gang-sodomize woman and then have her stoned for contacting authorities – you know, for allowing that to happen to her. I should think shake hand would be letdown for Muslim after that.
I don’t want to shake hands with you either. Its my right , in Canada, not to. So far. Expressing myself as unwilling to shake hands, may create an opportunity for someone to hate and express hate for you. You may feel it necessary to file an HRC complaint. I’d try Alberta…
Who shakes hands with women?
“Gee, she’s got a firm handshake!”
Personally I prefer the football slap on the arse for women.
Begs the question why muslim men shake hands with men if it is simply based on practicing good hygiene.
Makes me want to – just for a nanosecond – see HRC become prez and visit the ME.
What is this about Mohamed Pubic??
You know I got almost all the way through that before I realized I wasn’t reading an uncorrected transcript of a Dion speech…
Maybe muslim womans no wash butt after #2, thats why no shake hand.
maybe if they had invented toilet paper and had the great idea to use soap afterwords, they wouldn’t be so weirdo on the whole shaking hands thingy.
Keep up Fred!
“They”(gotta watchout) don’t wipe so they don’t need TP.
sorry can’t find the link
You know, quite apart from the obvious retardation of the commenter, the comment itself is a heinous lie.
I know lots of Muslim people. Lots. You can’t be in medicine in Ontario without meeting Muslim doctors and interns by the cart load. Male AND female, I have yet to be refused a friendly handshake from any of them. Or any Sikhs, or any of the other groups this disgusting creature slanders.
Maybe, somewhere in the Greater Toronto Area there is some tiny clique of phobia ridden fundamentalists who refuse to shake people’s hands on hygienic grounds. I strongly doubt it, but anything is possible in Toronto.
We Scots have a traditional greeting for such occasions. Its called the Glasgow Kiss. I suggest haye or whatever it is calling itself today should look that one up.
Great comments, folks. That’s why I are liking it here and would be shaking of your hands. Either one. But can’t be promising where mine may have been, what with scratching of the privates and all.
propeller beanie upon him!)
Gee, my wife is Muslim and she likes to shake hands with most people, I guess she didn’t get the memo to stop thinking and do as she is told (normally by some useless twit that can’t get a real job and likes to live off the welfare collected by their wives)
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well, the “not shaking of hand” is something i can live with…
it’s the “strangling of daughter” that kinda freaks me out.
just sayin’.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6284347.stm
Jan 21, 2007
BBC NEWS channel
Muslim Pc refused to shake hands
Sir Ian Blair questioned the validity of the refusal
A Muslim woman police officer refused to shake hands with the head of the Metropolitan Police on faith grounds.
The officer, who has not been named, was granted the exemption at a passing-out ceremony where new recruits met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair.
The woman’s refusal was based on her view that her faith prevented her touching a man other than her husband or a close relative.
Sir Ian had questioned the validity of her refusal, Scotland Yard said.
If the officer is called to a male victim who has been shot, the laws go out of the window
Sheikh Ibraham Mogra
A spokeswoman for the force said: “This request was only granted by members of training staff out of a desire to minimise any disruption to others’ enjoyment and to ensure the smooth running of what is one of the most important events in an officer’s career.”
She added: “The officer maintains that she puts the requirements of being a police officer above her personal beliefs and only exercises the latter when she has choice to do so.
“Any refusal to engage in this manner would not be tolerated by the MPS (Metropolitan Police Service).”
Probationary period
The woman was allowed to pass out in December last year because she had completed all the elements of the 18-week recruit training course.
This included officer safety training, which required officers to come into physical contact with each other.
The officer will now be required to complete a two-year probationary period.
Muslim groups defended the police officer, saying her beliefs would not affect how she carried out her job and called for greater understanding of different cultures.
Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: “I don’t think shaking hands is something that makes or breaks a relationship.
“I don’t think in any sort of job that is something that becomes an obstacle to one performing one’s duties.”
‘Not set in concrete’
Sheikh Ibraham Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said people should not be alarmed by the officer’s beliefs and that Muslim law “was not set in concrete”.
He added: “If the officer is called to a male victim who has been shot, the laws go out of the window.
“If she has to resuscitate that dying person, Muslim law will then change and allow her all sorts of physical contact because a life is at risk and life is so precious.
“Muslim law will say, ‘forget everything, save this life’.”
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23382478-details/I+cannot+shake+your+hand,+sir.+I'm+a+Muslim+and+you're+a+man/article.do
http://www.secularism.org.uk/muslimwomanwinsrightnottoshakeha.html
Muslim Woman Wins Right Not To Shake Hands With Men
A Muslim woman who refuses to shake hands with men for “religious reasons” cannot be barred from a Dutch teacher-training course.
The Dutch Equal Treatment Commission found this week that the Regional Education Centre in the city of Utrecht illegally “discriminated, indirectly, on the basis of religion,” when it rejected Fatima Amghar for its course. Amghar, 20, said her religious beliefs forbid her from having physical contact with men over the age of 12. The school rejected her application, arguing that shaking hands was routine for a teaching assistant in Dutch society. But the Commission ruled “there are other conceivable manners of greeting that can be considered proper and respectful.” It warned that Dutch schools risk excluding Muslim women from society unless they find a way to accommodate their beliefs.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/9/Muslim_refuses_to_shake_a_womans~39~_hand_loses_prize-79068.page
A Muslim woman police officer has sparked a new debate by refusing to shake hands with Britain’s most senior police chief for religious reasons.
Take this one step further: let’s say the Queen dies tomorrow and this female Muslim officer is assigned to the funeral detail. Would she refuse to shake hands with the now King Charles III, her head of state in whose name she enforces the law? Because refusing to do so with the Commissioner of the Met is second only to that. It is rank insubordination and should be grounds for dismissal. If she doesn’t want to show proper respect and decorum toward her superior officers, no one’s forcing her to be a cop.
Kate, you have to remember that this is a culture without toilet paper or soap.
The bow is subserviant.
The hug is excessive.
Non-touching is classist.
The handshake is perfect.
According to the Torah, men are not supposed to gaze at a woman or to touch any women except for their wives at certain times and women in his immediate family. This is to avoid any possible temptation to engage in forbidden relations.But a handshake is innocent, isn’t it?
I can only say that, from personal experience of having gone from a secular lifestyle of dinner parties and endless hugs and handshakes at social events (avoiding restricted touch) that some of this casual touch is not so innocent. I realize this only after having become sensitized to it by avoiding casual touch, as I try to now. Most of you will know what I mean, especially women; occasionally, some guy at a party will squeeze your hand, or hold it a bit too long, or let go of it oh so tenderly, and you may think “Hmm…” Well, the advantage of being (avoiding restricted touch) is that those “hmmm?” Moments are directed at other things, like “hmm.”
I can say that it is probably easier for women to avoid shaking hands with men than for men to avoid shaking hands with women. I feel that it is empowering to avoid shaking hands with men, because one of the reasons is to preserve a woman’s dignity. When in these situations, I simply say, “I’m sorry, but for religious reasons, I don’t shake hands with men.” I would include all of this information to avoid misunderstanding. I used to say, simply, “I don’t shake hands with men,” but then someone thought that I disliked men, since it wasn’t apparent at that time that I was religious. “Words that come from the heart enter the heart” and are understood. A sincere concern for the person extending his hand and a wish to avoid embarrassing him will communicated by a sincere statement.
step1: Meeting a Muslim woman. Do not offer to shake her hand, kiss her or hug her, if you are a man.
1. In general, Muslim women do not shake hands with men, other than mahraams. A mahraam is a man is man she can marry or next kin such as she can never marry (example: brothers, paternal uncles, grandfather, father, brothers, step-brothers, child not reaching puberty).
2. She does not shake hands, kiss or hug men because it is unnecessary contact between men and women.
Step2 -A Muslim woman can talk with anyone, but it should not be for entertainment. There should be a purpose behind the conversation. She is free to attend University or work.(Examples: Talking about Islam, business, medical care, education).
Step3 – All of the rules are a protection for her. Everyone is part of a family, Muslim and Nonmuslim. Just imagine how many illicit relationships begin from a simple handshake and unnecessary talk.
Step4- Likewise, the rules also apply to Muslim men. These rules apply to all men and women and are truly a great protection to every family. Any broken home due to illicit relationships can appreciate such rules.
http://www.islam-usa.com/r9.html
THE LAWFUL AND THE PROHIBITED: OUR NEED, OUR OBSESSION
“Oh you who believe, make not unlawful the good things which God has made lawful for you, but commit no excess for God loves not those who commit excess” (5:90).
Living as a Muslim in a non-Muslim society is difficult but not impossible. We are to enjoy what is permitted and avoid what is forbidden. Sometimes this distinction is easy and sometimes it is not. There are situations that fall in the grey zone and according to the Traditions we are also to avoid that which is doubtful. However, what is not appropriate is that we like to do things which are wrong because of a cultural habit that we have formed and justified. On the other hand, there are things that we must do: for example, attending Friday prescribed congregational prayer, but we find an excuse not to do so.
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mpbuh-
I thank you for laying out the rules to which you think I must live. I’ll make a note of it, and see if my wife will let me.
Before you couldn’t write English, and now you can?
You’re a fraud. Fcuk you, and the asz you rode in on.
hey mo (piss be upon him) keep it short and to the point please. If you want to preach them go stand on a corner somewhere and hand out pamphlets, get your own blog or start a paper that you and your ilk can feed on. In my world a man who won’t shake your hand is not a man I want to do business with.
Now, Now, Vitruvius. We mustn’t get all riled up by this Troll. Isn’t that why they are called Trolls? It’s something like, uh, trolling for fish; you keep on throwing out new bait behind the boat until you catch one.
Ah yes, I see the problem; my fault Gunney99, sorry
I wasn’t more clear: I’m not riled up, I’m just perky 😉
I acuse: Pubah is a liar.
He lied about his English skills in his
original comment, without proviso.
Liar, liar, pants on fire, hanging on a telephone wire.
“Captain, the tricorder is reporting zero on trust.”
— Spock
just be cool
http://al-islam.org/nutshell/diseases_soul/
“It is recorded in the Torah regarding which God Almighty confided to Moses (a), saying: “O Moses, control your anger towards those over whom I have given you authority, so that I may spare you from My Wrath.”
Reality of Anger
Anger is a psychological state that results from inner agitation and desire for revenge. And when this agitation becomes more violent, it intensifies the fire of anger. A violent commotion engulfs ones brain on account of which the mind and the intellect lose control and become powerless. At that time, the inner state of a person resembles a cave where fire has broken out, filling it with flames and suffocating clouds of smoke that leap out of its mouth with intense heat and a fiery howl. When that happens, it becomes extremely difficult to pacify such a person and to extinguish the fire of his wrath; whatever is thrown in it to cool it down becomes a part of it, adding to its intensity. It is for this reason that such a person becomes blind and deaf to guidance and good etiquettes. In such a condition, all such efforts as counsel, advice, and exhortation fail to appease the person. The more one tries to pacify it through humble requests and efforts, the more violent it becomes until the angry person physically harms someone or seeks revenge.
“..Indeed, this anger is a spark lit by Satan in the heart of the son of Adam..”
The Devastating Effects and Consequences of Anger
A person given to anger behaves unreasonably like a lunatic without rationally considering the outcome of his actions. He commits ugly and indecent acts and his tongue, limbs, and body go out of his control.
Anger may lead one to use abusive language against the prophets of God and His awliya’. It may lead one to desecrate sanctities and utter slanders about venerable persons, murder a pious or innocent soul, wreck the lives of creatures of God, destroy a family, or reveal the secrets of others tearing up the veils that cover them. There is no limit to such cruel and oppressive acts that a person can commit at the time of outbreak of faith‑consuming fire of anger that can destroy many homes indeed an entire society.
As to the moral hazards, anger may cause malice towards creatures of God, leading sometimes even to the enmity not only of prophets and awliya’, but also of the Holy Essence of God, the Nourisher. It may also give rise to other vices, such as hasad (envy), hidden enmity and uncontrolled and unjust revenge.
The similitude of anger in this world is the fire of Divine Wrath in the hereafter. In the same way that anger emanates from the heart, perhaps spiritual reality of this anger is the fire of Divine Wrath that also emanates from the inner depths of the heart and spread over the external being, and whose tormenting flames emerge from external organs such as the eyes, the ears, and the tongue.
Anger that becomes a permanent part of one’s nature, it is more catastrophic. It deadens ones heart, renders it merciless and affects the faculty of wisdom. The form that such a state shall acquire in the barzakh and on the Day of Resurrection will be a beastly form that has no match in this world; for the brutality of the person in this state cannot be compared with any of the ferocious beasts.
“Protect yourself from anger for its beginning is insanity and its end is remorse.”
Well of course anger is stupid, Sun Tzu covered
that 2,500 years ago. It’s not about anger, man,
it’s about ridicule. Pure, unadulterated ridicule.
Because laughter is the best medicine.
I know that’s true, ’cause it’s in Readers Digest.
well hoss @ 11:01 I’m starting to feel a little anger and my “tormenting flames” are just the red in my eyes and a little smoke emanating from my ears, other than that all’s fine. Really wish you’d pi$$ off though.
Well, the Jihadi moths seem to be attracted to the Small Dead Animals lightbulb in increasing numbers these days. You must be doing something right, then, Kate.
I’ve met plenty of Muslims in my time that want to just get on with life, as I do. They want to do their work, raise their families, retire with some comfort, do some good works along the way, and generally, make the most of the time they have among us. Bless them. One of my dearest friends is Muslim, so p*ss off HRC and Elmo Badguy or whatever your name is down there at UoW.
But these Jihadi nutbars, though, I just have to laugh at you dorks. It would be unfair to camel dung for me to compare the Jihadi ethic to it, so I won’t. I’ve seen enough of life to know that these Jihadi headcases are the twenty-something and thirty-something males that couldn’t get a date in high school, and just as sure as Moses floated downstream, aren’t getting any now. Jihad = Mommy issues, plain and simple. Shaken’s first law of culture: goofy in, goofy out.
[deleted – get your own blog if you want to post full length diatribes.]
Oooh, it can cut and paste, too.
Vitruvius, my good man, does this not call for a rendition of Jimmy Durante performing Charlie Chaplin’s “Smile”?
In the name of Plato, Descartes, Goedle, and Bluto, I say, emphatically, YES!
“I can only say that, from personal experience of having gone from a secular lifestyle of dinner parties and endless hugs and handshakes at social events (avoiding restricted touch) that some of this casual touch is not so innocent. I realize this only after having become sensitized to it by avoiding casual touch, as I try to now. Most of you will know what I mean, especially women; occasionally, some guy at a party will squeeze your hand, or hold it a bit too long, or let go of it oh so tenderly, and you may think “Hmm…” Well, the advantage of being (avoiding restricted touch) is that those “hmmm?” Moments are directed at other things, like “hmm.””
If you, and your women have got so little self control then hmmm. Or simply put F>>K OFF!!
Horny Toad
“Oooh, it can cut and paste, too.”
Apparently so, but that’s why IBM have those little arrow thingies near my right pinky, garbage in, garbage blurred out. Read some Emerson, his writings seem to instil tranquility and lessen the desire to, how shall I say it, squish pesky insects?
“Meek young men grow up in libraries, believing it their duty to accept the views, which Cicero, which Locke, which Bacon, have given, forgetful that Cicero, Locke, and Bacon were only young men in libraries, when they wrote these books. ”
Ralph Waldo Emerson, The American Scholar
I ordered a Cicero Locke & Bacon sandwich once, but
it was a bit dry, so I had to ask for extra mayonnaise.
mmmmayonnaise with tons of tummy toes and bacon, lots and lots of bacon. pure unadulterated pork, pork fat, lots of pork fat. cold pork fat sandwiches is what I’m talkin about.
I always get a kick out of muzzies who want to start talking ‘facts’ and ‘theology’ when it’s the one thing that undoes islam in less than a heartbeat. Don’t they understand that’s why you’re not allowed to criticize the koran?
Inability to stand up to textual criticism, archaeological errors, historical errors, geographical errors, genealogical errors (amongst many others) aside, I suppose it’s pretty much the same as any other religion…
Don’t forget to vote!
…..obviously never met any of the nice Muslim girls in Jakarta……
colin, your wife is no longer a muslim if you are not a muslim. by marrying you she became an apostate. she would be a target in saudi land for jail or worse.
“What’s not to like?”
sarcasm eh? I hope you realize the sockpuppet cult have designated sarcasm as a latent hate crime. 😉
Peronally, I will take this poster’s advice and avoid countries/cultures where they do not shake hands for fear of being infected by some disease carried by the women.
hossaini
I’m sure I’m not the only one whose irony-meter topped out when being lectured about the caustic effects of anger from a muslim…
Perhaps you could teach it to your co-religionists before they self-detonate or behead little Christian schoolgirls.
“Step3 – All of the rules are a protection for her.”
Muslim women wouldn’t need such protections if Muslim men would stop seeing women as uncovered meat, objects to be raped, abused and oppressed at will.
If Muslim men would start acting like rational adults instead of rutting animals / spoiled little brats, your women would have all the protections they need.
Your women are as strong, capable and intelligent as any other group of women on the planet – and that scares the living daylights out of you. So you treat them like crap and tell them it’s for their good. That is beyond sick.
Some crazy posts on this here blog. Shaking hands is very necessary in business in order to establish an initial connection and reaffirm that connection as the association progresses. It is an awkward situation for the guys because some women really do want to avoid the contact or have not matured beyond the ‘limp fish’ hand clasp. The guys have to wait to see what you’re going to do in order to determine the appropriate response. I take the initiative to get them off the hook and offer a firm grasp while giving them a good smile. It is not sexual, it is business. I will say that some of my business relationships have evolved over time into Hollywood kisses or brief embraces versus the handshake. I don’t mind a brief hug, some of us work together on the phone for hours on industry issues so you really do develop a closeness. The Hollywood kiss is obnoxious to me because it was lifted from the Europeans. Frankly, there’s not much they do over there outside of food preparation that I’m interested in pursuing. In any event, the ‘religious preference’ types need to take their groupthink yammerings elsewhere or drop dead, whichever can be accomplished quickly.
I dont do business with anyone who wont shake my hand. …and when I meet a mussie I make sure im holding a ham sandwich when I offer my hand to shake. F**K EM.
It hasn’t been that long in Canada since offering to shake a woman’s hand or offering a hug was simply not done. Women normally didn’t shake hands and if she wanted to it was up to her to extend the hand first.
“Your women are as strong, capable and intelligent as any other group of women on the planet”
Okay Kat, was it nessesary to insult all muslim women like that?
Oh, Vitruvius, in your unofficial capacity as resident DJ, may I request “Mary Ann WIth The Shaky Hands” by the Who to accompany this thread?
The Joy of Sharia comments are examples of why islam is incompatible with democracy. Muslim rights must always supercede the infidels, and if the muslims disagree amongst themselves, survivor wins. Islam has laid a path in blood to America’s doors and pretends it is benign, except for all those demands to submit. Free peoples’ necks are under the sword of islam around the world, literally and existentially. I know not of any good it does; its evils overwhelmingly speak to what it is.
In the southern U.S., a gentleman is raised to never extend his hand to a lady. To do so is presumptuous and rude. She must offer her hand, and it is to be lightly taken and briefly held. This covers religious, feminist, medical, and all other reasons for a woman not to shake hands. When it comes to business meetings, all Gentleman/Lady rules go out the door. Meeting in an American business setting, I would be insulted if she refused to shake my hand. I would consider her insubordinate if she ranked lower and condescending if she outranked me. Islam demands submission to its way of life and law. I will not submit. Fire the broad. Live free.