“We wish nothing more, but we will accept nothing less. Masters in our own house we must be, but our house is the whole of Canada.” – Pierre Trudeau
“Of all our dreams today there is none more important – or so hard to realise – than that of peace in the world. May we never lose our faith in it or our resolve to do everything that can be done to convert it one day into reality.” – Lester B. Pearson
“Well, come on people! These guys are still terrible! We can do better than that. Where is the improvement? In fact, over the summer, the government got even worse!” – Stephane Dion
Steefi is correct . . trust is teh big issue.
I trust the Liberals to be entitled to their entitlements.
I trust the Liberals to steal the taxpayer blind
I trust the Liberals to payoff & enrich their friends.
Oh ya, I trust them a lot.
Good night Steffi.
Hey! Steffi knows whats right for Fwannce…er Canuckistan. Kate…could you please post a pic of you in a burkha? Then I will vote for Islam Sharia law. Yeah right. And dogs will become cats.
Why should we believe the Liberals have changed their political culture of power over all else?
How are they any less corrupt than they were when they got put in the penalty box by the electorate? We are supposed to elect the same values, with a leader who was in on all the caucus meetings where, surely, Adscam, Kyoto and Afghanistan were discussed.
Why should we trust a leader who has flip flopped on every major issue of our day? They are presently on their fifth of sixth iteration of Afghanistan policy, for instance.
Dion’s quote demonstrates their only substantive platform is to criticize the Tories but offer no essential alternative. In fact, they have moved so far left as to be indistinguishable from the NDP or Greens. Dion will likely to be the first Liberal leader in over a hundred years to never sit in the PM’s office.
The Liberals will be back some day; just not while Dion is their leader.
Here’s a funny quote attributed to Trudeau (not sure he actually said it):
“Unemployment isn’t working.”
Sorry about that guys. I screwed up an edit, so am deleting your comments as they won’t make any sense here. You’ll be able to use them again shortly. My apologies.
Shamrock: “they have moved so far left as to be indistinguishable from the NDP or Greens.”
I don’t think so; it’s only if you’ve grown complacent with Stephen Harper and his placebo cabinet that the Liberals appear to have shifted left. And there is a ceiling on Harper’s support that has been very stubborn.
Shamrock, do you really think that Stéphane Dion was in a position of great power and influence when adscam was hatching? That’s starting to get a bit old to voters, I think. My opinion only, of course.
Crabgrass, WTF is a placebo cabinet? Let’s see, Libs have reversed their stand on:
– environment
– Afghanistan
– terror laws
– their “Red Book”
In 18 months, Harper passed more meaningful legislation than LPC did in 13 years
Can’t bring up previous Liberal administration, the one Dion was in Cabinet. Unless, of, course, we talk about the great job they did for economy; but not Adscam. Oh yeah, he was just a dweeb cabmin, but now he wants to be PM.
Yeah, that makes sense. Get over it, Libs are gonners next election, along with their pathetic leader.
Go back to agreeing with yourself, followed by some comment about “conservatives.”
Did you see Dion’s new slogan that he is proposing to use to define Liberals?
“LFC”: Liberals Fuck Canada.
@crabgrass:
Not if it’s part of a recurring pattern. Consider this statement from a middle-aged man: “Okay, so I got into a bar brawl on a bender six months ago. Why should it be hanging over my head now?”
If the fellow in question was in one brawl in his adult life, it means something quite different from he being in one per year.
Shamrock, it doesn’t quite work when you say that Stéphane Dion was a “dweeb cabmin” and at the same time try to tar him with the adscam brush. You can’t have both. In fact, you can’t have either, but I expect you’ll try.
By the way, have you heard any of this talk about the CPC’s creative spending during the last election? Check impoliticaldotblogspotdotcom for some stuff on it. I don’t know the story all that well – more will come out in the next few days, I expect, but it does look sort of interesting.
I have to go to bed now.
ET, have you been drinking? That last remark is rather uncharacteristic.
Daniel, I think that’s a good point, but I wouldn’t say that Stéphane Dion has been repeatedly tied to scandals by any means. I can’t even think of one.
I’m afraid Dion hasn’t shown himself to have the skills to handle a scandal yet. (Which, considering he was a student of the master of scandal in the 1990s, and still considers Chrétien as a model, is saying something.)
It is to laugh, and any day I get to do that, long and loud, is a good one.
“Masters in our own house we must be,”
That comment by the godfather of centralized socialist statism is a window into their shrivelled little souls.
They do indeed wish to be the “masters” of Canada…Masters of all “Da Pippils hav Kanada” ( as the Cretch would say)…Master of you and me.
What these deconstructionists, social engineering activist and generally belligerent interfering Lib-left political cartels need to be told loud an clear is the man who will be “master” over Canada’s free people hasn’t been born. Those who have the Lib-left megalonamia virus that makes them believe their destiny is to be a “master” over the public will are going to suffer the fate the godfather did which caused his “walk in the snow”
Canadians do not wish to be manipulated, lied to about hidden social engineering agendas, stolen from in the name of a kleptocratic wealth redistribution system which is not enumerated in the constitution… or told that this is a centralist socialist “federation” under “natural” single party rule when the constitution clearly constructs a Canadian confederacy of equal. sovereign-within-right partners…after 1931 no masters and servants in this original unamended constitutional arrangement.
So why are Liberals so imperialist as ruling statists? How do they justify their demonstrated arbitrary authoritarianism and kleptocratic cronyism with their so called enlightened tolerant utopian public image?
The simple answer is because modern Canadian liberalism is a fraud. It is not tolerent, emlightened and civilly responsible liberalism as prototype Liberals like Locke and Blackstone would recognize…it is in fact a form of disguised corrupt cronyism which( when in power) runs a “power brokerage” for its members and clients using the public purse as a slush fund to enable nepotistic contracting and party patron profiteering….all under an operational parliamentary dictatorship where their politics are distinctly soviet (unilateral).
To disguise the criminal racketeering of the Liberal political cartel, they have their media clients present a manufactured public image of the Liberal cartel as enlightened utopians when in fact they are an organized crime cartel which exists to breech the constitution, devolve democracy to an elected dictatorship, and rob the public purse for the benefit of themselves and their cartel cronies.
After doing this for so many years with the voter not catching into their game they have the inbred hubris to fancy themselves as our “masters”.
…but Gomery changed things and the Powercor-PMO cartel is now common knowledge with most voters…people realize AdScam was just the tip of a very large iceberg….the day of the Librano “Masters” of Canada is over…Canadians elected a “care taker Givernment” to see if the Libranos would reform themselves….they will never see a majority government in the future unless they become more democratic and purge their ranks of the profiteering camp followers…the public is on to them…it just isn’t simply because Citoyen Dijon is such an inarticulate putz.
Canadians see the value of containing this government malfeasance with minority governments…Canadians have been screwed by EVERY majority government they have elected in the past 35 years..they now feel a government out in a minority before they give it the go ahead as a majority….the Liberals under Dijon have demonstrated that the Liberal cartel has not changed or learned a lesson…all they have to say is “we want our power back”…we say why?
Does it bother you folks that this party you despise so much is neck and neck in the polls with your own?
Guess that whole “Dion is not a leader” debacle didn’t pay off.
“To disguise the criminal racketeering of the Liberal political cartel…”
See “disguising” was not enough and they finally got caught after Canucks opened their eyes between two snoozes…
Now, Iggy wants to “hide” their actions instead of “disguising” them. 😉
Good post Mackenzie!
Throbbin,
Don’t want to rain on your parade but this is Planet Canada where it’s inhabitants sleep between two elections…Polls taken during ‘hibernations’ don’t tell you much in this land.
Most that answer the pols during the day are, well at home (Mostly in city cores) and not at work…Now do the math.
Crabgrass, you can’t be that blinkered! Oh where do I begin. Let’s see. The issue isn’t if Dion was involved in Adscam, apart from his being in caucus and a QUEBEC MP and cabinet minister, it’s that the Liberal party still is arrogant, intolerant and forgiving of their gross corruption. Dion is an apologist for this and has done zero to clean up the mess, because his party still refuses to ackowledge their wrongdoing and explainto the voters how they have changed. Maybe he will later, but it hasn’t happened yet.
My point about cabinet minister was follow-up to your point, where Libs want to only mention the legacy of previous Lib governments (oh we tamed the deficit, you know the debt that Trudeau created, that we’re still paying off today)that they see as favourable, but apparently we’re not allowed to mention the corruption and incompetence, where $millions was stolen from taxpayers, and $billions frittered away with the incompetent likes of Jane Stewart and Alan Rock.
Same party, expect the same results. Conclusion, zero chance of being in power with Dion as Leader. When they get a real leader like Tobin, McKenna, Manley, or even Sheila Copps (even she is light years ahead of Dion) who actually tries to clean up the culture of corruption, then they have a chance of gaining trust of electors.
Meanwhile, Harper has accomplished more in 18 months than Libs did in 13 years, though Libs did manage to steal a s***load of money, which I understand has not yet been repaid.
See ya on the hustings. You are going to get your butts kicked real hard. Libs have real dilemma; they know they can’t just knock Harper, they have to come up with policies. Unfortunately their leader can’t formulate policy well at all (Do you know how hard it is to set priorities?), and can’t communicate with two-thirds of the electorate, and is disprespected in his home province. Not a good time to be a Liberal. I guess Libs will have to comfort themselves with trying to invade sites like SDA with their ridiculous arguments and their laugh a minute leadership.
Shamrock, I disagree with almost every statement you made there, but I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine, so I’m off to some place where I will find more common ground with others. The discussions I get into here are bad for my spiritual well being, I think. I hope you have a good weekend.
Throbbin posits: “Does it bother you folks that this party you despise so much is neck and neck in the polls with your own?”
Nothing I see concocted by Liberal patronage media ( Of which the major pollsters are a part) which is meant to distract or misinform the public disturbs me anymore…Canadians are wised up and the Liberal cartel believes they are still dealing with the sleep walking sheep they had 15 years ago.
The general consensus on the street is the Liberals don’t have the platform, vision leader or TRUST required to win….any propaganda to the contrary in liberal-connected media is just so much misdirect that has not changed public opinion one iota….Harper will win a slightly larger minority.
If Harper wants to win a majority he had best devise a platform which is realistic and resonates with voters who wanted a change from Librano sleaze.
The climate/environment/green issue are NOT a strong campaign item as most voters are more concerned with working health care, financial security and retirement issues like inflation and tax on low retirement incomes.
All the sexy leftoid “issues” are mostly a media fabrication…they don’t resonate with central Canada
Crabgrass said :
“I’m off to some place where I will find more common ground with others. The discussions I get into here are bad for my spiritual well being, I think. I hope you have a good weekend.”
No offense Crabgrass but I think that the truths you get here challenges your partisan dogmatism and you need to go to your “safe place” to hide from that truth invalidating your naive ideas about partisan “correctness”…or find others who still wade in Lib-left partisan delusion to re=enforce the partisan/political mythology you have programmed yourself with.
Do yourself a favor and leave partisan politics….partisan politics always negate the fact that government is raw coecion…that’s all…force….force with no particular moral code to constrain it except some limp platitudes enunciated in a constitution which the ruling regime routinely ignore.
There is only one political scale/spectrum…it has tyranny at one end and freedom at the other….as a citizen all you need to decide is how much governing tyranny you will subject yourself to..there is no left and right in this debate…there is only right and wrong…freedom or subservience…this is where you chose your side.
WLMR: “consensus on the street is the Liberals don’t have the platform, vision, leader, or TRUST required”
Which street is that? Highway 2 just near Innisfail, AB?
I think you have to be careful not to use the word “truths” when you’re making reference to opinion. And are you staying away from partisan politics yourself? Much more than I am aligned with any party, I am desperate to see Stephen Harper and the CPC out of office. The Liberals are the only party that I can see getting that done. I may be wrong. Anyway, if that’s what you mean by partisan, then I’m guilty as charged. But our differences make the world go around, non?
@Crabgrass:
Thanks, and you are right that the onus is on those who wish to tie the analogy to the Liberal party specifically.
Politics, though, runs on standards of rhetoric and payback; having lawyers run the show pretty much guarantees it. To express the point in ratioesque form: Conservatives:Adscam :: Liberals:Tunagate. The memories on both sides will be long.
Now that you mention it, though, it would be interesting to see a list of egregious Liberal behaviors and infer a criticism of them from it. The same technique can be used for other parties.
One more thing: the reason why I’m focusing on the Liberal party, rather than Dion specifically, is that a political party is not a rigid hierarchy. Chretien was popular in the Liberal party…until he became a liability, in large part through Adscam being uncovered.
Thanks Crabgrass, you have a great weekend too. It’s OK if we disagree, you know. I didn’t actually think I was going to change your mind anyway. People of good conscience and intelligence can have disagreements on many issues of our day. I guess the electorate will sort out our disagreement in the end. I welcome it and will respect their decision, whatever it ends up being. I still think Tories will cream opposition in election, though.
Who gives a rat’s ass about polls trying to tell me what I think.The reason I come here for my news is because of the same reason,the media trying to tell me what to think.
http://canadaconservative.blogspot.com/2007/08/iggy-puffin-should-be-liberal-symbol.html
I hope that this link doesn’t get caught! The “cartoon lib ad” is too priceless!
I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. The best part is today PM Harper announces the mental health commission! This couldn’t have come on a better day. I think that the Lib’s should start standing in line for their entitlements! (free treatment)