A law unto themselves;
…the draft manual (obtained through access to information by independent firearms researcher Dennis Young) shows that RCMP’s K Division is intent on making gun grabbing a permanent part of its disaster action plan.
Since it remains a criminal offence in Canada to store a gun in your home without a trigger lock or outside a locked cabinet, the Mountie manual urges officers in the middle of a rescue operation to round up all the guns the see.
“You may seize any item in plain view that may provide evidence of the commission of an offence, if there is a pre-existing lawful reason for intrusion upon the person or premises,” the document claims.
Aw. Hitler would be so proud! Well done AB RCMP. At least you verified what a bunch of lawless asshats you have all become!
I just read the article by Lorne on the SunNews website and I have to agree with Aizlynne. If charges were laid for every RCMP infraction in High River the courts would be tied up for months. They have become a law unto themselves.
I talked to my soon-to-be MP (due to boundary changes) and she said that she and many other MPs want to make further changes to Bill C-68 but there are some MPs that are reluctant. The reluctant ones are RED Tories who care not one whit about private property. So, all of you need to talk to your MP about Bill C-68 as soon as possible.
One part of the bill that needs changing is the locked storage aspect. Based on the article clip about trigger locks above, I suspect that almost every western farmer is breaking the law as having a trigger lock on a rifle and bullets under lock severely slows one down in responding to a pest threat on the farm. Most times you have seconds to respond.
When disaster strikes and you fear the RCMP will steal your guns while you are away …. well …. don’t leave home without them. Ya … that’s what is going to happen next time. You will have a lot of folks fleeing with their firearms in their cars and trucks …. that’s a lot better than leaving them in the homestead isn’t it.
Maybe Alberta should be looking into firing the RCMP and using a provincial police force.
There are a lot of things Alberta should be looking into and won’t be until they elect a different party to govern. Of course eventually the next party will get comfy and the problems will creep back, but that’s democracy. The Saskatchewan Party is giving this province the best government it has had in living memory, but the longer they are unopposed the more complacent they will get and easy success will ruin them, too.
The best you can do is throw out the incumbents from time to time. So do your best.
Firing the RCMP will only get you crooks like the OPP.
What is needed is criminal charges against these officers, their supervisors, and the author of this training manual.
After a few of them end up fired and in prison that will be the end of this unlawful power grab. At least for a while…
We MUST enforce the law against the police and politicians even more strictly and with less leeway than would be permitted a civilian. This is CRITICAL both for maintaining discipline and for the public perception of justice. Right now justice has been brought into disrepute by these and many unanswered actions by crooked politicians and police officials. We might as well have anarchy or a dictatorship if we are not going to hold our govt officials accountable.
But under what “pre-existing lawful reason” did the RCMP enter? Some have claimed that it was the Alberta Emergency Management Act that had been enacted only months prior to the flood. Yet, it is the INTENT of the law and not necessarily the precise words in the law that is important in determining what was meant by the law.
And often in legal cases, the intent of the law is brought forward in the form of Hansard transcripts that were taken during debate. This is an excerpt from Hansard in regard to the intent of the law.
March 14, 2012 Alberta Hansard 509
“Mr. Jacobs:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My last question is also for the Minister of Municipal Affairs. Some of my constituents feel that powers granted to a local authority during a local state of emergency can be abused. What assurances can you give them that they will not be abused?
Mr. Griffiths:
Mr. Speaker, I know from the hoots and hollers before that some of the members from the wild alliance indicate that this is about property rights. This is not about property rights. This is an issue where local municipal officials, local firefighters, local police officers, and local paramedics are trying to save lives. There is compensation provided in the rare necessary circumstance when property must be commandeered, but I can’t
think of a single Albertan that wouldn’t want a vehicle commandeered if it meant saving their grandmother from a burning building. THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT (my emphasis).”
The intent of the law is very clear in that exchange. And it isn’t to allow the RCMP or other jackbooted thugs to root around in dwellings.
another reason to not call them up for anything.
I don’t recall but did the RCMP pry open locked cabinets or safes? Were any residents ever charged with improper storage? Just wondering how far they went with the round-up.
Apparently most, not all, of the guns seized in High River have been returned, but the cops also stole the ammunition, which apparently has NOT been returned,and no compensation has been offered.
Many of us who are reloaders could lose a small fortune in components and ammunition if these type of activities are to become the norm.
We civilians are urged constantly to “observe,record, and report”, and we should do exactly that to keep the police in line. There have been way too many cases where the police lied about the circumstances of an incident, only to have their lies exposed by alert civilians with video phones and cameras.
I would be VERY surprised if anyone ever answers for the High River debacle,and I would bet the farm that this action was either ordered or approved of by the Reddest of Red Tories,REDford, the UN shill.
“Since it remains a criminal offence in Canada to store a gun in your home without a trigger lock or outside a locked cabinet…”
Ummm…no. If it’s a bolt action, safe storage requirements can be met simply by removing the bolt and storing it someplace separate from the firearm. No locking devices are required.
Oh and the Queen’s Cowboys STOLE ammunition too?!? How can they justify this THEFT, since there are no specific regulations governing the storage of ammunition?
Thieves in Red Serge…disgusting.
I ask where is Harper in this criminal attack by the police on citizans rights? Its become apparent the police are not a peace keeping force any more, but a political party unto themselves. Its why crime is down. No one calls the police any more because they will likely arrest you the victim, rather than there meat & Potatoes, the criminals.
People forget it was the RCMP under another name that invaded the West.
Now under the lash of a vicious socialist Union. This group is now a menace to individual freedom.
Its not a police force any more. Political ideological storm troopers comes to mind.
This is a federal group that comes under Parliaments preview. Why is nothing being done or said?
A firearm must be stored in a locked container. IMO, a locked home constitutes a locked container. When I store my pistols, I store the slide separately from the remainder of the pistol for my semi-auto’s and store cylinder separately from the frame in my revolvers. Bolt action rifles have their bolts stored separately. There’s no damn way I’m going to make things easy for a thief with a very easily removed trigger lock. When I’m home, the guns I might need immediately are assembled.
It’s time to take the HRGT to court and send the criminals in this organization to jail. The HRGT are the political police of the statist plutocrats and deserve the same respect as the Gestapo did in its time. Christophe Diarmani has a site with numerous examples of the totalitarian mindset of the HRGT at http://christopherdiarmani.com/category/police/.
What is needed is for High River gun owners who were illegally deprived of their lawfully held property, ammunition, to file criminal charges against the HRGT for theft and criminal trespass. I’d be quite willing to financially support such a campaign.
It’s been more than a year since the High River RCMP Raids.
Without a judicial inquiry, which the Public Complaints Commissioner investigation is not, the Charter issues will not be investigated.
Only a judicial inquiry can compel witnesses to appear and to testify under oath, subject to criminal penalty for perjury or fabrication of evidence. And can recommend criminal prosecutions.
Canada does have a separation of powers as part of our constitution to reduce the potential for abuse of power.
While the federal government has the power of the Criminal Code. The provinces administer justice and have the responsibility for policing. Relinquishing this is politically irresponsibility.
By using a federal police force for provincial policing on contract, the the RCMP more easily escape being held responsible for their actions as both the province and the feds simply point their fingers at each other.
The achievement of the Magna Carta most quoted is, the that the rule of law applied to agents of the Crown(state) as it did to other citizens.
At this point whether the RCMP are subject to the rule of law is an open question.
Prof. Gary Mauser doing a simple statistical analysis found that licensed firearms owners, are as a group, less likely to be involved in crime than are the police.
The High River Raids have shown that to be true and tragically ironic.
The Harper Conservatives are too timid to reform Canada’s firearms laws.
The injustice, the persecution of the morally innocent continues unabated.
Who will answer?
Great link, Loki.
It’s MUCH worse than I thought.
There’s always the option to sue the police in a civil action. Specifically for conversion (unlawfully taking one’s property)in those instances where firearms and ammunition have not been returned. There may be an action in trespass as well, especially where damage was done to properties. Given that this occurred to numerous people across the entire town it could pro ably be frames as a class-action suit.
from:
http://christopherdiarmani.com/11488/police/police-misconduct/twotier-justice-law-mere-citizens-law-police/
“Canada has one set of laws for police and another for its citizens. The former has no duty to follow the law whatsoever while the latter must or face the barrel of state-owned guns wielded by the very people who do not obey it.”
Canada is a brutal socialist police state.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-felt-political-pressure-over-alberta-flood-gun-seizures-1.2442859
This story claims there was political interference by the Alberta government,also states there was 500,000 rounds of ammunition seized. Another article claims $250,000 worth of ammo was seized.
Whatever, a lot of legally owned property was stolen and to date no one has been called to account for it.
I just assume the police are untrustworthy, biased and corruptible but I learned this before they infested street protests with their planned provocations and stealing private rifle/guns from law biding citizens – take care of your own problems as best you can, don’t be a witness and avoid contact with them whenever possible. They go for low hanging fruit – don’t be their dumb plum. Sad reality but less stressful than living with false expectations that they are on the side of law biding Canadians.
They are not.
Real provinces have their own provincial police forces.
They aren’t perfect, but their frying pan heats up a lot
faster than those for some arrogant bastards we know of.
“Prof. Gary Mauser doing a simple statistical analysis found that licensed firearms owners, are as a group, less likely to be involved in crime than are the police.”
I have no doubt that is correct. Moreover I have no doubt that a cop is a bigger threat to a law abiding citizens than a non-cop criminal. Many more people have been victimized by cops than by criminals. The criminal lowlifes tend to wipe each other out, victims of gang violence tend to be just as bad as the victimizers. Victims of cop abuse tend to be normal people. Slowly, very slowly, the perception that a cop is on your side and not a declared enemy looking to victimize you at the slightest excuse, is beginning to change. It will take time and it will take more personal experiences with police before general public realizes that cops are nothing by worthless jack booted thugs with a Cartman complex.
And they are corrupt.
And they know the system and cynically play it on every occasion.
Because they can.
Because even if proven wrong all they need to do is to claim that they acted in good faith to get off the hook. And their victims will at best get some taxpayer’s money while the uniformed thugs will continue to run amok.
Yet people are outraged that I refuse to weep for the “victims” after events like the recent shooting in New Brunswick. Sorry all out of tears after I wept for Dziekanski that you thugs had killed and then lied about it in perfect harmony.
It would be unfortunate if the RCMP came to be regarded as no better than uniformed criminals.
But incidents are piling up.
Unless I’ve propped it up in the window, inside my house is NOT “in plain sight”. The courts would appear to agree with this.
Somebody needs to lose their job and go to jail over this.
Right, because Alberta’s version of OPP would be so much better… just ask people in Caledonia.
“Real provinces have their own provincial police forces.
They aren’t perfect, but their frying pan heats up a lot
faster than those for some arrogant bastards we know of.”
Yes. My faith in the OPP was restored after those firings as the result of them trying to tell people how to vote.
“A firearm must be stored in a locked container.”
Um, no. Only if it’s a restricted or prohibited firearm. There is no requirement to lock down a non-restricted firearm other than by trigger lock or by rendering it inoperative in some fashion, i.e. removing the bolt, firing mechanism, etc. A NR rifle with a trigger lock or minus it’s bolt lying on a bed in High River is legal, whether the property has a door or not…
Seizing that firearm on suspicion that it may have been used in the commission of a crime is not supported by the emergency powers legislation, nor by the rules of evidence in regard to a warrantless search unless there is an imminent threat apparent.
Securing the firearm to prevent theft, after kicking in the door is a bit dicier – but then the rCMP would have the obligation to re-secure the property.
K division should be decommissioned as the provincial force – after they are indicted for the greatest abomination to civil rights since they rounded up Japanese Canadians. If nothing is done to right the injustice here, we can consider this a police state – one Harper oversees.
What the pro-criminal gunaphopes fail to understand, is that the RCMP will be breaking into their homes looking for firearms as well, whether they have any or not.
If they’ll steal firearms and ammunition, what else might they take (or plant) on their way through your home?
If you don’t think this affects YOU – guess again.
One good thing we did here in the US at the very beginning was have a “Bill of Rights” attached to our Constitution in the form of amendments. Amendment 2 says we can have guns (bear arms). If you had that you wouldn’t have the lock up the gun, put the bullets in a safe deposit box, put the trigger in the barn and the barrel in bathroom nonsense. It a takes a robber 20 seconds to bust in your house and find you.
In addition it took me a few days to get a concealed carry permit here in Montana. I carry a Taurus Judge in my car. It shoots a 410 shotgun shell with (3) 9mm slugs and 15 buckshot. I’m not a very good shot but a 10 feet, well I don’t need to be.
Good plan, too bad Alberta a year or so back signed a new 8 year contract with the RCMP to do provincial policing.
John Galt lll >
mmmm, lets remember that not ALL parts of the US enjoys the 2nd Amendment the same as other parts.
For example some US states like California have more draconian gun laws than Canada does.
And keep mind that the legal wording is loose enough to cover any criminal activity, not just guns – warrants be damned. The only criteria for illegal search and seizure is a crisis.
Yeah well that 8 year contract is irrelevant.
High River is a breach of contract….conduct counter to responsible policing…whether or not the government ordered the breach…an illegal order is illegal….the Nuremburg precedent applies….
FIRE THEM ALL and then PROSECUTE!
“What is needed is for High River gun owners who were illegally deprived of their lawfully held property, ammunition, to file criminal charges against the HRGT for theft and criminal trespass. I’d be quite willing to financially support such a campaign.”
AGREED 100 PERCENT.
These “officers” have committed felonies and they belong in prison.