Evening Update – via a reliable source:
This story started with a Canadian Press story that obviously did not understand House of Commons procedure. The Ways and Means Motion being voted on Monday is for tax measures only. The elimination of political subsidies will be in the enabling legislation for the fiscal update as planned, it will be a confidence vote.
With the Liberals held hostage, Jack Layton has reportedly laid out his list of demands – including both the finance and environment portfolios.
I told you this’d be worth it!
Bourque seems to be on top of the other news headlines, so I’l redirect you there…
Original post continues below:
Opposition hold coalition talks, Grits may dump Dion
One option under consideration is to suspend plans for the May 2 leadership convention and just go straight to the cage match…. developing….
Updates:
A CBC poll goes horribly wrong.
Breaking – after calls to the Saskatchewan “a leadership convention date has yet to be decided” Liberals produced a “this number is no longer in service” message, opposition parties are reported to be seeking advice on coalition-forming from Jean “when I’m finished with Paul Martin he won’t get elected dog-catcher” Chretien.
ROTFLMAO Update… via John Gormley Live. … With the opposition parties on record vowing to take down the government over the “lack of a stimulus package” in the economic update … Harper The Merciful has announced he’ll remove the party funding portion and separate it from the confidence vote… developing…
To the Liberal/NDP supporters whining that the CPC is exploiting the opposition’s financial vulnerability to play “partisan games”, I offer this advice – get out your checkbooks and shut the hell up.
I recieved a letter this morning at 10:30 from Scott Brison,liberal finance critic,explaining that the ‘butcher of democracy'(guess who)is trying to ruin the liberal party financially. He also mentions the economic crisis,but clearly the libs are worried about their gravy train being derailed.He goes on to say that if this happens the conservatives will survive because of their’extreme right wing’ backers, That is me and you,no not you Ted,or Manny. So what they are saying on the news and what they are sending out to their loyal supporters don’t exactly jive. I tried to post the letter in it’s glorious entirety but it got caught up in some filter.
Come on Manny……..Not gonna play any more? Or did you go and have supper?
“Trudeau: not dead enough.
Chretien: not prosecuted enough…”
Dion: not smart enough
Iggy: not Canadian enough
Rae: not socialist enough
As an American, I’m proud to support the wine industry in Canada.
oh, what a weekend for some! they’ll get to sit around and decide who should be p.m. (i have to get my tires changed and go for groceries.) easier than winning an election, i suppose
It’s so entertaining to see Harper crapping in his pants and moaning about the opposition planning a coup d’etat. Hahaha. He forgets that he has a MINORITY and can only govern with the support of the opposition. Coming soon: Stephen Harper…not a leader.
Manny’s on the wrong thread. He thinks the discussion here is about Farmers.
Let twits sit and rot. Don’t enter into discourse with them.
The old saw comes to mind, ‘Argue with an idiot and they’ll pull you down to their level and beat you with experience.’
Manny, as usual with the inept, grazing type, is an irrelevant blob.
No irwin, the subject is, in part, the value of expending taxpayer dollars, which of course leads one to the base conservative hypocrisy of supporting subsidies they like and screaming bloody murder decrying those they don’t all the while professing a conservative free market “principle” of not supporting subsidies at all.
Oh, and now look what crawled out from under a rock. The butcher of Siberia. The world’s worst serial rapist.
Or is he just a fan?
Manny, (I)beria and Ted.
You should start a comedy show. For prison inmates.
April 18th 2005
On Monday, Valeri said he would cancel a Conservative opposition day motion because setting opposition days is the responsibility of the government, not the opposition parties.
That provoked outrage from Conservative Leader Stephen Harper who met with reporters Monday evening on Parliament Hill to denounce Valeri and the Liberal government.
“I think they are just signing their own death warrant,” Harper said. “This is the kind of behaviour a government does when it is scared to death of the electorate.
“It is not up to the government in our system to decide whether an opposition motion is order or not. It’s up to the Clerk and the Speaker. Our motion was in order. We don’t have to get the approval of the government to express dissent.
“When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid assent is frankly when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.”
About an hour ago:
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has delayed for a week a confidence motion vote that could bring down his government.
April 18th 2005
On Monday, Valeri said he would cancel a Conservative opposition day motion because setting opposition days is the responsibility of the government, not the opposition parties.
That provoked outrage from Conservative Leader Stephen Harper who met with reporters Monday evening on Parliament Hill to denounce Valeri and the Liberal government.
“I think they are just signing their own death warrant,” Harper said. “This is the kind of behaviour a government does when it is scared to death of the electorate.
“It is not up to the government in our system to decide whether an opposition motion is order or not. It’s up to the Clerk and the Speaker. Our motion was in order. We don’t have to get the approval of the government to express dissent.
“When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid assent is frankly when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.”
About an hour ago:
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has delayed for a week a confidence motion vote that could bring down his government.
So, will the BQ get the Heritage Ministry portfolio?
I can’t wait to hear the whines of Kate McMillian et al. if this happens. I expect something that embodies ‘this is undemocratic’ aka:
“This is not fair!!!”
Oh sweet poetic justice.
April 18th 2005
On Monday, Valeri said he would cancel a Conservative opposition day motion because setting opposition days is the responsibility of the government, not the opposition parties.
That provoked outrage from Conservative Leader Stephen Harper who met with reporters Monday evening on Parliament Hill to denounce Valeri and the Liberal government.
“I think they are just signing their own death warrant,” Harper said. “This is the kind of behaviour a government does when it is scared to death of the electorate.
“It is not up to the government in our system to decide whether an opposition motion is order or not. It’s up to the Clerk and the Speaker. Our motion was in order. We don’t have to get the approval of the government to express dissent.
“When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid assent is frankly when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.”
November 28, 2008, about 5:45pm
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has delayed for a week a confidence motion vote that could bring down his government.
And Crouton said he’d cancel the GST.
Comedy Central might just have a slot, Ted. I understand they’re now narrowcasting in prisons.
You should work out a deal with Manny and Iberia.
Ted – you stole that from Calgary Grit. Isn’t that plagiarism?
CTV Newsnet has just told Canadians, that as recent as September on Mike Duffy Live, Stephane Dion told Canadians emphatically, that the Liberals “could not have a co-alition with the NDP – a party that would be damaging to the economy period”
Are the self-serving Liberals telling Canadians now, that they aren’t acting in their own self interests and lust for power, because obviously they know and have admitted ,a co-alition with the NDP would be damaging to the economy.
If AdScam didn’t give reason for Canadians to question the honesty and integrity of the Liberals, the shenanigans of the last few days has alerted Canadians to the devious ways of the Liberal party. The Liberals would now ask Canadians and business in this country to embrace NDP policies, in these challenging economic times, and these same Liberals, who for years were warning us that the Bloc was a grave danger to this country and our values, now give the Bloc the balance of power and effective control of parliament.
Something not talked about from the fiscal outlook report that no doubt has all of the professional talking heads from the polling companies seething mad about THEIR entitlements – Flaherty said that there will be strict cutbacks on government polling, focus groups and outside consultants.
Did anyone happen to see Allen Gregg on CBC’s At Issue panel last night????? He was nearly foaming at the mouth about , ummmm, the lack of stimulus package.
The media have these usual bozos all lined up to lambast the conservatives over the , um, lack of stiumulus package without even once exploring the fact that it is THEIR entitlements these professional “consultants” are really upset about.
Special interest groups that rule our country indeed.
Quotes then and now: Harper, Flaherty
Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, November 26, 2008
Then and now quotes comparing what Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said during and after the campaign for the Oct. 14 election about recession and a deficit.
“This country will not go into recession next year and will lead the G7 countries.”
– Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Oct. 10)
“If you don’t want a carbon tax and tax increases and a deficit and recession, the only way to ensure that is the case is to vote for the Conservative party.”
– Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Oct. 12)
“We may well be in a technical recession.”
– Finance Minister Jim Flaherty (Nov. 23)
“The most recent private-sector forecasts suggest the strong possibility of a technical recession at the end of this year and beginning of next.”
– Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Nov. 23)
“I know economists will say well, we could run a small deficit but the problem is that once you cross that line as we see in the United States, nothing stops deficits from getting larger and larger and spiralling out of control.”
– Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Oct. 6)
“We will not run a deficit.”
– Finance Minister Jim Flaherty (Oct. 9)
“If we do short-term deficit spending as a deliberate policy we will have to be able to demonstrate to Canadians that those deficits will genuinely be short term.”
– Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Nov. 15)
“The government of Canada today is not planning a deficit. But if the government of Canada decides . . . that we do have to engage in fiscal stimulus, that government spending is essential not just to shore up economic activity but investment markets, that would be the occasion we would go into what would be called a cyclic or a short-term deficit.”
– Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Nov. 23)
Stephen Harper…not a leader!
This attempt to wrest power from the elected Conservatives’ PM Harper and hand it to Dion, a leader the country obviously DOES NOT WANT, is despicable. It’s only two months since we voted and already the opposition AND MEDIA are playing partisan games.
The day after Harper’s gov’t was re-elected with a bigger mandate CTV asked at what point will Harper step down?
It’s pretty clear that certain media reps. think they control the nation.
Do you all notice how the trolls won’t touch the Adscam money issue with a barge-pole?
The lying, hypocritical, power-hungry thieves stole Canadian taxpayer’s money, our money, and have made no effort to return a penny of it – now that is da izzy money.
Party of Thieves. Period. Wish it make it izzy on us and just evaporate.
I’m appalled that Ed Broadbent would be a part of this power grab. I thought so much more highly of him than that.
I think manny must have got a butt full of rocksalt for raiding some farmers carrot patch.
No other explanation for his irrational hate of farmers. Food is suppose to be free?
Entitled to your entitlements or what?
I think manny must have got a butt full of rocksalt for raiding some farmers carrot patch.
No other explanation for his irrational hate of farmers. Food is suppose to be free?
Entitled to your entitlements or what?
Iberia, watch and read the news. Events change on a daily basis, making adjustments necessary.
Read financial sites! Canada is held in very high esteem by investors around the world. We’re NUMBER ONE.
Harpers sent the chicken hawks into the chicken coop on this one. The sneaky SOB. One can only admire his mastery at subjecting his political foes to ridicule, by their own pomposity with greed leaden hands out stretched. What a guy. He’s three moves ahead of em all. I get cranky sometimes at him, or disagree with some policies. That’s normal considering I am a small l libertarian. I admire not only his cunning but real world based rationality. Of course I share the same loathing of Socialism. He ain’t perfect, but a Giant among the regular political Ottawa Pigmy. But know one can say this personage hasn’t the brains of ten fox’s. This whole event is like a free Christmas. Trimmins added & all lit up pretty.
The liberals fear him , more than the Egyptians Moses.
There must be an editorial cartoon showing up somewhere with Harper leaning back watching “Curly, Larry, and Moe” doing their best routine.
Don’t keep it to yourself (as if anyone would).
30 mill is a buck a person. Simplest math ever.
I pledge to give a donation to the Conservatives of 10000% on my own free volition, just as long as they simply sit back, relax, and let this all play out to the logical conclusion of leftist political suicide…
RANT WARNING
Party of Thieves. Yes, so true. Party of Power Whores too. To the point that they will put the seperatists in government!!! The Bloc has now accepted that Dijon will be PM; but how will they themselves be able to swear an oath of allegience to the Queen to get their cabinet position? Mind you, a French Proptestant king fameously said: “The throne of France is worth a mass”.
Mind you again, how can the GG, the Queen’s representative, possibly accept separatists into Her government?
And what will be the reaction in the West to this effective coup-d’etat?
And the Liberals are doing all this whoring simply so they can again stuff Canadian tax money into their pockets. Party of Thieves and Whores indeed.
I say, go for it! But you need an election on this plan for legitimacy. And you will stuff it, Dijon, as you have stuffed everything.
I see Conservative majority coming 🙂
Food is suppose to be free?
No, but education is, orvict. Too bad the system failed you in reading comprehension. Or maybe you just never got that far.
Just to make sure I’m awake, leftists across Canada are actually forming a coalition to topple Harper based on the notion that taxpayers MUST fund the Bloc and failing industries IMMIDIATELY???
Pantload Stevo can do no wrong. All is for the best in this best of all Conservative worlds.
manny
leason in logic
industry lives of the “production” of it’s employees
you live of the production of a farmers hard work
industry dies, and a new one will arise
if the farmer dies, so will you, but I won’t
guess why!!!
Here is Dion and his statement about NDP being bad for the economy and he would not have a co-alition with them.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4o0IEq_1kto
guess why!!! GYM
Uh…cause you’re an idiot?
ps Is there nothing Harpo can’t do???
Cascadian: “With Kate’s permission perhaps it is time to speculate on a name for the coalition.”
How about Dion, Layton, Duceppe – the axis of banal?
So who is lurking in the shadows of this non-military coup d’e-tat—Chretian & Broadbent. Dona J.
Dion will have the liberals over a barrel, they will have to pay off his leadership debts for him now to get rid of him.
“With Kate’s permission perhaps it is time to speculate on a name for the coalition.”
How about “Dippers Full of Sh*t From Hell”
So, what does this mean, if anything?
Earlier today, I wrote a letter to my NDP MP (@parl.gc.ca) to say no to a coalition government with my reasons why.
When I clicked on my SENT file to re-read the letter a few minutes ago, this is the message I got, a message I have NEVER got when I’ve clicked on a SENT e-mail:
Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
Most likely causes:
You are not connected to the Internet.
The website is encountering problems.
There might be a typing error in the address.
OKAY. Does this mean there’s something wrong at this MPs site? Could it mean this MP has shut down the receipt of incoming e-mails? I’m a computer Luddite, so I have no idea, but as I said before, I’ve never had this response when I’ve clicked SENT to re-read an e-mail.
Can anyone enlighten me? Is the Opposition playing even more games with our participatory democracy, i.e., not allowing us to register our opinions?
Sadly, I wouldn’t put it past them.
If there’s anything that can make the absurd coalition even more hilarious, it’s the idea of broadbent and chretien leaving their mausoleums to “broker” the deal. In other words, the leaders of these parties aren’t trusted to do it themselves, grandaddy has to be called in to call the shots.
“I’m ENTITLED to my ENTITLEMENTS..”
Dingwall.. I could kiss you!
LOL!
I looked into my crystal ball and saw:
“using this recession as an excuse to justify these budget cuts”
All I can say is just savor the pure joy of hearing this when it happens…
Fife, on ctv, describes Dion as “the accidental leader who wants to be the accidental Prime Minister”. Good for you Bob.
No we won’t. That’s just stupid.
It would be an unstable government. It would fall within the normal course of things. And Harper’s Conservatives would kick their asses.
Ergo, they won’t do it.
I have to say I’m enjoying this immensely. Once again Harper has provoked the opposition into a reaction of hideous stupidity. I sense the hand of Dion behind this coalition proposal. But to really get the gist of the driving force behind this take this quote from Ujal this evening on CTV:
“…the Harper government has been insensitive to the angst, pain and fear of the Canadian people…”
Now substitute Liberal Party of Canada financial planners for Canadian people.
Regards, BRK
“Who the fu*k do these leftists think they are? The Conservatives won the election so get over it. You want to vote down the Gov’t, fine, but a coup?”
Get a grip, people. That isn’t a coup. It’s how the Canadian constitution works.
However, it would be politically stupid and the Canadian voters would remember the already damaged Liberal party as the one that united with the socialist NDP and separatist Bloc to take power away from the party they’d sent back to Ottawa with an increase in seats.
When this unholy coalition fell — and it would — the voters would punish them large.
But it’s not a coup. Drop that nonsensical thinking from your mind.
Besides… have you noticed Canada is the second largest country on Earth with a tiny military? How, prey tell, would one keep control of the country against the constitutional government with it?
Aside from the fact much of the military is Liberal anyhow. It’s more left than the U.S. military.
Now that is correct thinking!
Awesome …. 245 comments on this post.
I have just this to say about the Leftards:
It’s Jeopardy Time!
I’ll take BANANA REPUBLICS and third world shitholes for $2000 Alex.
Answer: Ecuador ….. Mexico…. Venezuela ….. Zimbabwe… Canada?
The Question: What is the inevitable result of allowing leftards to run for office.
I think we should all e-mail every Opposition MP and tell them not to defeat the government or risk facing the wrath of the Canadian people…Also, to provide the details of their stimulus package because they obviously don’t have one//