Blacklock’s- Wide Variance In Riding Size
New figures from Chief Electoral Officer Stéphane Perrault show a wide variance in the number of voters in federal ridings, a difference of 90,000 or more in some cases. The latest revisions under the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act were to ensure each vote carried the same weight with exceptions in extraordinary cases.
“I have determined the number of names appearing on the revised lists of electors for each electoral district,” Perrault wrote in a legal notice. The most sparsely populated riding in the nation, Labrador, has 19,893 voters. The largest constituency, Niagara South, Ont., has 112,960 voters.
Liberal-adjusted Democracy removes the extremism of rationality – any Liberal.
I’m not sure about that. I’ll have to check with my friend, Gerry Mandering.
PEI gets 4 seats regardless of provincial or federal population. Quebec 25% of the seats.
BC has 6 senators. PEI gets 4 senators. Make it make sense.
BC having 1 senator per 800k while PEI has 1 per 50k doesn’t make any sense.
The senator distribution is arranged around the idea of “regions”
They divided Canada into Atlantic, Western, and Ontario and Quebec.
The problem is, our western region is grotesquely underrepresented by this. If “regions” rule this, then Ontario and Quebec by definition are provinces, and NOT regions. Using the CFL as a template, there is Canada west, and Canada east, and that would leave us with 50 western senators and 50 eastern senators.
If that’s not acceptable, have a Canada west, Canada east, and a Canada central region, whereby we have 33 western senators, the east has 33 senators, and central Canada has 33 senators, with 1 more for the territories. I know they’ll never accept that, but at this point in the game I’m not at all concerned with what the easterners will accept.
They’ll never accept anything which doesn’t include having an eastern thumb on the scale…
When AB/Sask. separate, they can draw up any model they’d like in their tier 2 country, and from a distance I don’t expect they’ll have anything better than what they won’t let go of now. Except that the money from Western Canada will have dried up.
At that point they can have 9000 senators from each remaining Canadian province while saying “look at all our representation” , it won’t matter to me.
It doesn’t matter as long as the Prime Minister decides who is appointed to the Senate. Ottawa never has accepted Triple E and it never will.
The last time it was demanded we accept UBI among other communist wants (NDP’s Social Charter) if we wanted an equal, elected and effective Senate. It’s no surprise it was voted down. Ontario didn’t want it at all and we knew it would be moot if the Social Charter was in place.
In the 2021 Alberta provincial election, we had a vote for who would be the next Alberta senator, this result was entirely ignored by the federal government, as was expected, as was the vote on having equalisation terms renegotiated.
In the past, some senators were elected and then appointed to their position by other (Conservative) federal governments.
https://www.elections.ab.ca/elections/run-as-a-senate-candidate/
I think having senators appointed by the Premier of any individual province would be a better idea than having so many appointments being made by one PM, similar to how it used to be done in the USA prior to their 17th amendment…
Or, we could simply vote for them like normal human beings do in other countries. As long as it’s closer to being represented by province, or region, and not by some more populous provinces VS other regions, or only by population, as we already have one group representing us by population. As flawed as that is.
I doubt there are any conditions by which the east would allow their overrepresentation in the Senate to be eroded. Which is only one of dozens of reasons for me to regard the east as contemptible in all manner.
Until the Senate has any real power, this is an irrelevant issue.
The Senate has as much power as the House of Commons.
So, slightly less than the typical Ray-o-Vac battery?
And K-bec gets 3 out of 9 Santa Claus judges.
“PEI gets 4 seats regardless of provincial or federal population. Quebec 25% of the seats.”
If only we had a politician in Canada with the honesty and the courage –
(hang on, these words seem very familiar to me. Hmm…)
Yeah, this should have been changed decades ago. I know that deals were made to entice them to join Canada, but that was a long time ago…it’s time for some basic equality and fairness to prevail And if Quebec and PEI don’t like it, invite them to leave our confederation and strike out on their own. Wish them well.
It would be best if we just got rid of the federal level of government.
Or at least shrank it to maybe a tenth of what it is now, as a first cut. 90% budget reduction would be a great start.
Or at least if we pushed it back under its rock….after all in a Confederation, the federal government is not the boss.
Yes!
The technical term is “gerrymandering” which we all leaned in school was a uniquely American affliction upon the body politic. It could never happen here in Canada. Never, I tell you!
Wikipedia says: “This word was created in reaction to a redrawing of Massachusetts Senate election districts under Governor Elbridge Gerry.” “[It] was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette[b] on 26 March 1812 in Boston, Massachusetts, United States.”
I am shocked, simply shocked I say, to find such things being done by the #Fiberals under #ShinyPony.
This is my shocked face. o.0
The three largest urban areas in Canada: Metro Toronto; Metro Montreal; and Metro Vancouver, combined, should not have more than 20% of all seats. Maybe even less.
I don’t see why the permanent-resident immigrant gang-banger from Toronto should have an equal say in Saskatchewan agricultural issues, just as an example.
Niagara South constituency doesn’t have 112k voters, they have 112k citizens of which about 90k are of voting age.
I think the number of MP’s per province should be based upon the results of the census, and adjusted every 10 years for the following general election.
Any other method is playing to politics, rewarding provinces existent at the founding of the country, while not recognising the population growth in the west since then. It’s like their representation is grandfathered in, while not admitting that their grandfather moved west +100 years ago.
We don’t have a democracy while some citizens have 1 MP for 50k citizens within a province like PEI, at least 5 provinces have in the area of 80k citizens per MP, and AB – BC are underrepresented at +130k citizens per MP and then we’re told “we can’t change this as it’s in the constitution” …. as if we want to live in a country where the constitution cannot be amended or we risk offending citizens in some provinces, while all we are demanding is to be treated equally as we are.
A few years ago, PEI had 4 MP’s for 160k citizens. At that rate, AB would have had 110 MP’s …. do you think that’s fair? I doubt AB wants over governance like having 110 MP’s … yet the imbeciles in Ottawa think it’s all good for us and nobody really wants us to open up the constitution.
I don’t want them to open up the constitution, I think they should toss it in the garbage and start over.
Or for AB/Sask. to separate, and if tier 2 Canada wants us to join them again, they can offer up something that’s actually fair to us. Not “more close to being fair” but actually fair to all provinces.
Surprisingly, Ontario and Quebec are represented closest to the number of MP”s as they should be based upon their population, both in the 105k and 110k citizens per MP range… I’m not counting recent immigration numbers as those folks aren’t going to be voting for awhile.
“I’m not counting recent immigration numbers as those folks aren’t going to be voting for awhile.”
Are you sure?
Exactly, Elections Canada only presumes and will take you at your word that you`re a Canadian citizen.
I’m not 100% sure. I think all the feds lie about everything all of the time and the best we could hope for is that there isn’t enough oxygen in the room for them to infect us with their madness.
Labrador votes Liberal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador_(electoral_district)
Niagara votes Conservative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls%E2%80%94Niagara-on-the-Lake
Look at PEI’s total population of 154,000 of which maybe 100,000 are eligible to vote. They have four MP’s, always liberal. Yeh I know it was a deal on confederation, but maybe it is time to fix that situation because, like all sand bars, it only gets smaller.
Sometimes size matters.
Ontario 15,996,989 Senators 24
Quebec 9,030,684 Senators 24
B.C. 5,646,467 Senators 6
Alberta 4,849,906 Senators 6
Manitoba 1,484,135 Senators 6
Sask. 1,231,043 Senators 6
Nova Scotia 1,072,54 Senators 10
New Bruns. 850,894 Senators 10
NFLD 541,391 Senators 6
P.E.I. 177,081 Senators 4
Aaaannnnnddddd Justin has appointed 85 of them for you. This country is so unbalanced, unfair, discriminatory and done.
Based on regions like the US is based on 2 for each State irrespective of their populations. So no region has power over the others.
Maritime region (NS, NB, PEI) 24 senators (NFLD%L 6 Senators added in 1949)
Quebec 24 senators
Ontario 24 senators
West (BC, Alberta, Sask, Manitoba) 6 each or 24 for the region
Territories 1 each or 3 for a total pop of 110,000 added later (so they only get one??)
Original rules: no province can have less MPs than they have Senators and note: originally the Maritimes were as populous and as prosperous as the Uppity and Lower Canadas
A major problem is that the PM appoints the senators resulting in 5 of 6 Alberta Senators being Liberals misrepresenting a conservative province. That can be changed by an agreement between the feds and the provinces giving the provinces the right to appoint.
It doesn’t appear to matter to anyone in the federal gov’t that the western provinces are grotesquely underrepresented in the Senate, as individual provinces, or as a region.
Ontario is a province, as is AB or BC, and not a “region”
Quebec is a province, as is AB or BC, and not a “region”
Ontario and Quebec are in the east, those two provinces are located as eastern provinces, so we have a western, and an eastern region.
Good luck. When the western provinces use the same logic as the eastern federalist assholes, the eastern federalist assholes freeze up like deer in headlights, they don’t know how to function without their thumb on the scale so as to tilt the fairness in their favor.
Why would anyone in the west want to be part of this bullshit country that is unable to amend the constitution when the east cries when applying the same rules to them as have been applied to the west?
BINGO Marc. – We don’t have to become that 51st whatever, but for our very survival we in the West absolutely must exit this farce affectionately called CONfederation.
Heavy emphasis on the “CON” part!
Funny how when Quebec runs a deficit, our Alberta workers have to just work that much harder!!
Perhaps 100?
https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/People/senatorsPrimeMinisters
I know in theory Provincial politicians aren’t supposed to campaign for their counterpart federal party. I don’t think that is law though, just tradition. And I recall the Turd made comments during the last Saskatchewan election that might be considered a break with that tradition.
So I ask, why isn’t Alberta Premier Danielle Smith campaigning for the Conservatives, in Newfoundland? After the east coast fisheries were closed, Alberta invited Newfoundlanders to come to Alberta to work on the rigs. It’s been said, by Rex Murphy, that Alberta saved Newfoundland. And it’s been like that for several decades now. So Danielle should go there and remind the Newfoundlanders that Alberta needs them to return the favour, and vote against the Liberals.
If they could flip a few seats there, it could be huge! (Currently 6 Lieberals/ 1 Conservative)
Fort Mac is full of newfs. They work for 2 weeks and then fly ‘home’. This has gone on for decades. Work in the oil industry in Alberta and then go ‘home’ and vote liberal. Vote against their own rational self interest. Makes sense…