63 Replies to “Alberta/ Quebec -Energy Alliance-”

  1. They realize full well that Quebec would bear the brunt of any shutdown of oil to the US. Much of the oil they use has to come through the US first.

    2. There is an oil refinery in Montreal.
      Oil comes down the St Lawrence from elsewhere.
      Gasoline in Ottawa comes from Montreal.

        2. Irving in Saint John would use Alberta oil but Quebec won’t let a pipeline through to deliver oil there.

          1. You mean Canada won’t, because guess what, the Canadian people could over rule such idiocy but they won’t.

  2. Har har.
    Quebec sells electricity, Alberta sells oil, and both want their market to stay viable, but AB has such a big pickle up their butt that it took Quebec to say it.
    Watch Albertans (whom I used to like, until I saw that many of them here want me to freeze in the dark) start shooting themselves in the foot, which is OK with me, it’ll just make it easier to annex the place in the end.

    1. Albertans don’t want any Canadian to freeze in the dark.

      Unless that Canadian is trying to destroy Alberta’s economy. Then they get testy.

      1. Fcku off, KM, and learn to read instead of trying to put words in my mouth.
        I’ve read enough on this site who want ON and QC to freeze because the feds taught them to hate by ripping them off, so screw you, you disgusting little rodent.

        1. I don’t know how much alcohol may be involved in this post but I sure do hope the admins of this site are taking note of this personal attack that is unbecoming of SDA.

          1. Go call your mommy.
            I used to like Albertans, until this site opened my eyes about how they wish harm on other Canadians, because their own lickspittle gov’t won’t stand up to the feds.
            Ontarians never wished harm on them, but Albertans posting here were all screaming to stop Michigan from giving ON oil, they want to teach ON “a lesson” for “voting the wrong way” and so on.

          2. Frank, agreed. YW is cruising for expulsion the way a few others have been booted for this kind of bad behaviour. And he/it won’t be missed.

          3. Our local Gopher has a habit of ticking off other folks on this site, with his comments.
            Are you new to this place Frank?

          4. I hate to say it, but YW has a point. I myself am guilty as charged, but as YW said, it’s because the easterners are trying so hard to stifle Alberta’s energy exports. They don’t realize they are cutting off their noses to spite their respective faces.
            If the ripoff continues, line 5 could shut down altogether by the US at Michigan, and Alberta would have no say in the matter. Should that happen, Ontario and Quebec will have a huge problem.
            I have family in both Ontario and Quebec. Do I really want them to literally “freeze in the dark?” Of course not, but when I say that, I am speaking metaphorically.
            To your point, Frank, I wouldn’t say I was disgusted with YW’s disdain, but I am disheartened that some people cannot exercise a little tact and diplomacy when they’re posting.

          5. “Our local Gopher has a habit of ticking off other folks on this site, with his comments.”

            People don’t like being disagreed with, even politely.

          6. Give him a few minutes and he’ll be back to bitching about how his fourth grade teacher was mean to him once or something.

        3. Well, those innocent Ontarians and Quebecers VOTED consistently over the decades for provincial and federal gov’t that do exactly that, so, a big sky f-off back, I guess.

        5. These damned Albertans and their false consciousness! Duped by Trudeau into believing that the evil bastards who supported Trudeau were evil bastards! Well, no dealing with such people, clearly. Just shoot ’em in the head, steal their stuff, and continue your own life of virtue. Canadian virtue, that is.

    2. Yeah Well

      It’s the voters of Ontario and Quebec that have supported Liberal aspirations to shut down the Alberta oil industry.

      They’re the ones wanting Ontario and Quebec to freeze in the dark.

      1. I lived down east for 20 years. I know exactly how insanely Ontarians hate Alberta. The feds didn’t teach us to hate the people of Ontario. Those people voted for hate every election for 50 years. That’s all the teaching we need.

  3. If Trudeau cuts off energy supplies to the US then it cuts off two major revenue sources to Quebec. Cutting off electricity negatively impacts sales from Quebec to northern US states. Cutting off oil and gas negatively affects Alberta and Alberta is by far the major contributor to federal equalization payments. Quebec received 13 billion dollars of equalization payments this year while Alberta got zero dollars. If cutting off oil and gas exports or export taxes sparks Alberta independence then the federal equalization payment system collapses.

    /s

    1. Because Quebec is well known for listening to the feds, and AB is well known for defying them.
      LOL!

      1. I think Alberta will reach their breaking point if Trudeau attacks them again . Patience and almost saint-like goodwill should not be mistaken for weakness. Prairie people might be slow to anger but once that line is crossed, they never forgive or forget. Trudeau the First and his NEP is the reason there’s been no viable provincial Liberal party in the prairie provinces for 40 years.

        1. LOL.
          5 million people, without the balls to hold a referendum, without their own financial sector or police force.
          Even BC could annex that place outta their petty cash. Ontario or Quebec could do it even easier with just their gay population.
          5 million people who think they could be a country. LOL!
          Best AB could hope for is to join the USA, and that’s about as far away from WEXIT as WEXIT is from current realities.

          1. Do not underestimate Alberta’s resolve. They will not stand for NEP 2.0. I can almost guarantee it.

        2. LC, Canadians reached the breaking point with Justatwit. That’s why being a federal LIberal is now a losing proposition even in all of the Maritime provinces. A far better remedy that separation is so simply boot the Libs into political oblivion. They still haven’t absorbed the current dose of political lessons because Carbon Tax Carney intends to continue with the same madness. That will be enough to turn everyone against him.

          Besides, he’s a banker, and everyone hates bankers.

          1. He is a particularly slimy banker, imo.

            The problem for Alberta and Saskatchewan is that voters in the rest of Canada will inevitably vote in the Liberals again. The pattern for decades has been long stretches of Liberal governments who attack the prairie’s economy followed by brief periods of Conservative governments who give the prairies fleeting hope of change. Eventually, after too many abuse-honeymoon cycles, that hope disappears.

    2. The money quebek makes selling electricity to NY State is exempt when calculating Equalization.

      The money Alberta makes selling oil/gas to the US is not exempted. That is why Alberta has to pay into Equalization and quebekkie gets to receive Equalization payments.

      A nice little benefit for quebekkie wouldn’t you say?

    1. Quebec will just hold another referendum and the feds will fold like umbrellas, again.
      Too bad AB doesn’t have the balls that QC does.
      You pussies whine about the “Laurentian Elites” even as you bend over for them every single time.

      1. Just how would you stand up to the “Laurentian Elites” YW? It seems like Ontario and Quebec are just as much on board with their agenda as anyone else.
        But I have a feeling that Alberta is running out of patience. If I’m right (and I usually am), you could see Canada disintegrating right before your very eyes.
        I can assure you that Danielle Smith did not waste time visiting Mar-A-Lago. Something is going on behind the scenes. I can just feel it.

      2. YW: You sound like a Chinese or Russian mole to me. Stirring the pot and trying to give us another reason to hate central Canada. Fact is, we’re well educated out here on the prairies and see your mischief for what it is –rank outside interference.

  5. Nobody is cutting off electricity or oil.
    Canadians should be worried when Trump says, “Its time to pay Your share for Our defence of Your country, you deadbeat hosers.”

    1. Would a 10 or 15% ‘federal’ tax on everything entertainment be enough to reach Canada’s NATO commitment?
      Entertainment could include sports tickets, sports equipment, concert tickets, vacation air travel,’silly cable television chsnnels, skiing, sin tax revenue, etc, etc. The money is going to have to come from somewhere…

      2. Canadians already pay too much taxes. Screw taxes. How much did the government piss away on green energy initiatives that provided zero returns?

    2. It is long past time to pay our share for the defence of our country. Canada is a dependent of the U.S.A., not because it must be, but because Canadians choose that condition.

      1. Exactly.
        I sympathize with (most) CAF members, but the smug asshole civilians who claim superiority over Americans make me sick.
        And they are legion.

  6. Canadians could have been wealthier than Americans all along since canada is resource rich.

    But canadians have chosen to be poor and ignorant.

    Read some letters to the editor in the Calgary Herald and they want the scorched policy for canada that Trudeau and Slug Ford are promoting.

    Liberal racist Party members have their investments outside the country, they’ll be fine.

    1. Retarded Albertans think that its ON or QC stopping them from developing their own resources, when in reality its the feds, and yet…they don’t have the balls to stand up to the feds, and their citizens instead wish freezing in the dark on QC and ON.
      …just like the feds want them to.

      1. Albertan choices are a mystery.
        Not the other two.
        K-bec and Ontario keep voting to sodomize Alberta via Liberal federal governments.
        But you know that.
        You’re just being a c*nt.
        Again.

      2. https://freditorial.substack.com/p/a-loathsome-lightweights-limp-legacy

        You’re getting pretty close, YW.
        The Trudeau feds stop Alberta and Sask not from developing their resources, but from selling those resources at much better prices, by preventing most pipelines to tidewater (Northern gateway cancelled, Energy East sabotaged by new regulations) and creating endless delays on LNG plants.
        The beef we have with Ontario and Quebec and coastal BC is that they keep re-electing a guy who has spent a decade crushing Canada’s number one export, which is oil and gas.
        So, indirectly, voters in Central Canada and coastal BC, by repeatedly re-electing the Zoolander, are in fact screwing Alberta and Saskatchewan, but also themselves, by abetting Trudeau as he chases away hundreds of billions of investments that would have benefitted the whole country, forgoing massive amounts of employment and tax revenue.

      3. You’re crossing the line, YW. I’ve been trying to reason with you, but you seem to have a piece of coal stuck up your butt.
        Albertans are not “retarded,” and I have a funny feeling you’re going to learn that lesson in due course…
        And it won’t be an easy lesson to learn either.

      4. Oh, piss off! You and the “un thing” make this site unreadable. Perhaps you are one and the same “bot”. You bring nothing to any conversation.

  7. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
    Despite having no use for the Bloqheads whatsoever, they are entitled to be subject to Blind Squirrel Syndrome!

  8. I was going to say (before I was distracted by YW’s raw display of hatred towards Albertans) that I am beginning to like the BQ, OTOH, this is exactly the kind of ammunition the lie-bs need to push the narrative that anyone who is not on board with Team Canada is a traitor.
    Well, as much as YW used to like Alberta, I used to like Canada, but not anymore. Not after witnessing first hand how much the easterners keep screwing with the west.
    So telling the feds to “F*ck Trudeau” (along with many easterners who are saying the same thing), does that make me a traitor?
    If it does, I’ll take the hit, and wear it with pride!

    YW: I hope you realize you’re falling for the turd’s trap. He wants us to fight each other, and you’re feeding the beast. Tone it down a little. Please!

    1. Venezuela. South Africa. North Korea. I’m not so sure elites like Mark Carney care about hosts.

  10. If the Bloc or PQ voice support for AB’s fight with the federal gov’t, it’s welcome, and I think there are many in AB/Sask. which would support their cause to separate as well.

    I think separating from tier 2 Canada is the way forward. We’ll have time to secure a bank system, a currency, a rudimentary defence and home made police force, and what’s tier 2 Canada going to do about it? There’s a better than good chance that the new Trump Admin will help secure our borders for a defined period of time. Ont or BC isn’t going to do anything about it. Is the likes of “yeahwell…” going to send the 10 million strong Ont/Que. gay legion after us to take back what’s theirs?

    Ontario can pay the world price for petroleum products in the same way that AB pays the world price for refrigerators. I’d say let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark, but as long as they’re paying for their fuel, their money is all the same color.
    Note to those eastern folks who have pumpkin pie for brains, yes I know AB/Sask. will be “landlocked” … but as long as they know their Chinese built goods are all dependent upon train travel through AB/Sask. I’m sure they can figure out the risk of a blockade. They all know where the Panama Canal is? lol…
    BC has a port for a country of 40 million. If AB/Sask. is blockaded they have a port for 5 million. And pumpkin head thinks AB/Sask. will take it like a champ.. lol…

    1. Marc… as much as I agree with almost everything you said about easterners, I will remind you also, as I just did with YeahWell, that the turd wants us to fight each other.
      What you just said about easterners freezing in the dark is precisely the kind of provocation that set off YW.
      Don’t feed the beast. I for one would welcome Quebec Separatists as an ally, if they are now on the side of defending Alberta’s energy exports, and I don’t care if that makes me a traitor in central Canada’s eyes.

      1. Here’s an example of “the east’s thinking” … from Canada’s largest circulation newspaper.

        https://x.com/Zone3Garden/status/1881831490327392430

        While we in the west are no longer able to say EXACTLY how we feel to the east, be assured that the sentiment is clear.

        If it wasn’t the #Libranos in gov’t, whoever is in gov’t wouldn’t be turfing the entirety of the equalisation program, nor any of the other 100 reasons the west largely wants out. The result would be the same, and we’d have nobody to complain to as “we voted for conservatives” etc…

        I do ignore the majority of trolls.

  11. Well, the signal to nose ratio on this post leaves much to be desired, but let me add a few points in a much more neutral tone:

    1) Quebec politicians look to Quebec’s interests first, it’s no crime if Alberta politicians emulate that.
    2) There are many “eastern bastards” who think Alberta is getting a raw deal. Try finding out who they are and working with them instead of pissing them off.
    3) If Alberta were its own country, there are international laws that would prevent Canada from blocking Alberta’s exports from reaching tidewater.
    4) Most of us are “somewheres,” but Carney is an “anywhere.” He’s happy to move himself, and his money, anywhere in the world. Canada just seems like a good spot at the moment. As soon as it isn’t, he’ll move on.

  12. As I said once of the Trucker protests (a reaction to another set of failed Liberal policies), “they have even united Quebeckers and Albertans for God’s sake, a dilemma that has literally exhausted the existential energy of two (three?) generations of Canadians and withstood the remedial efforts of countless, long-forgotten First Minsters conferences, tedious rounds of constitutional tinkering and innumerable White Papers authored by the so-called Best Brains in the Country.”

    The Liberals – and their soul brothers such as Ontario “conservative” premier Doug Ford (snicker) – have f@cked up big time.

  13. Well what do you know?
    Emperor Justine has an accomplishment.
    He has united Alberta and Quebec.
    Against him and his children’s crusade government.
    Step one on our way out of Confederated Canada is to take all the special deals the Province of Quebec gets from Ottawa.
    if Quebec gets it,then we will just take it.
    Step 2 is collect all taxes Provincially.
    And pay the Federal Government only for the services they actually provide.
    Which might involve negative payments.
    Step 3 Fire the RCMP,appoint all Licensed gun owners as Provincial Deputies.

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