The “Appeal to Authority” fallacy holds that experts are infallible: if a credible source believes something, well then, that thing must be true!2 The fallacy is not only that even truly knowledgeable people can be wrong, but also that many so-called authorities are not, in the end, all that knowledgeable.
If that’s the “Appeal to Authority” fallacy, let’s call this new thing the “Appeal to the Noble Savage” fallacy. It holds indigenous people to be the most worthy among all peoples, and incapable of engaging in human acts of cruelty. It holds them on a pedestal. The Appeal to the Noble Savage fallacy imagines indigenous people to be, well, not exactly human.
Excellent article.
“Now, though, newly hired junior faculty are shaking up fields not with insight, but with outrage. Outrage, rather than innovation, is how academics are making a name for themselves.”
^^^This is more pervasive than anyone knows:
Just look at that Buffy St.Claire outrage on the right.
They care so much about some broad who looks native exploited her looks to make money as a singer.
Exactly so. Mia de los Reyes, assistant faculty member in physics and astronomy at Amherst, who has done nothing to justify any reason for the future to remember her contribution to science, thinks her opinion of someone long dead should be taken at face value. She may be an astronomy expert but her opinion on human society and history matters no more than that of a street urchin.
I think it was Sowell who said “We have replaced what works with what sounds good.”, or something along those lines.
Humans are pretty savage, as a general rule, so we made up rules to live by, like the 10 commandments, or the NAP. Unscrupulous leaders will pander to our inherent savagery in all sorts of underhanded ways. Trudeau is a case in point.
I wouldn’t even call us savages per se … but the word Heather carefully chose was … “competitive”. Man has had to compete to stay alive. That … is our shared immutable characteristic. And now … all POC’s have figured out how to compete for $$ … public $$ … and they’ve erected a hierarchy to collect it.
Some are more savage than others, but even the white man is savage when not taught proper principles, just look at all the pro-Hamas and liberal BS that white folk swallow, sure, other ethnicities may be more savage, but that does not exculpate our own savagery. We kill babies by the lot, and chop off dicks and tits for ideological reasons.
No-one is innocent.
May God forgive us.
I don’t consider that level of savagery to reflect the human condition whatsoever. That kind of savagery is pure EVIL … esp when the object of it is in no existential danger from their targets
YW, very much along those lines. The concept of the Noble Savage is not new. It was defined by Jean Jacques Rousseau in the 18th century as living in a state of primitive virtue uncorrupted by modern society. It was the pretense that ignorance meant bliss and freedom from sin. There were artistic expressions of this through things like pastoral poetry which had been a thing since the times of ancient Rome.
As to Sowell, he is right.
First we had the Age of Antiquity.
Then we had the Age of Faith.
Then we had the Age of Reason.
Now we have the Age of Hurt Feelings.
What a stupid time we live in. We now know better that ignorance means living in misery, filth, disease, pain, and having a very short lifespan. In short, Thomas Hobbes was right and JJ Rousseau was an idiot.
Directed outrage is their calling card, for certain. A European explorer, male at that, worthless examiner of the universe. Buffy St. Marie appropriates an American Indian heritage, well, her motives were pure. These are the standards set by people who can not tell you what a woman is because they do not have the credentials to determine such. Credentials being the phoniest of legitimacy. Magellan was educated enough to realize what was in the sky, at that moment he was the leading cosmologist among all of those of European origin. The peoples living there before he arrived no doubt noticed too, but, they did not record the find and report it back to the West.
Unless you can trace yourself back to the location of the origin of modern man, and live in that region, we are all colonizers.
Enough of this Marist BS, pitting one colonizer group against the other.
Ya gotta warch out for them Marists. They’s tricky!!
I blame the woke ‘participant’ trophy culture … wherein all outcomes must be equalized. There cannot be winners and losers … not even placated losers … nope. And the only way to “equalize” is to drive out the winners.
Indigenous peoples are the lowest on the totem pole of virtue.
They are a failed culture and a defeated civilization. Losers in so many ways.
We owe them nothing.
What about the indigenous people of Britain, France, Denmark, etc?
Those are failing cultures on their way to being defeated.
As is Canadian culture.
“They are a failed culture and a defeated civilization. Losers in so many ways.
We owe them nothing.”
Owe them nothing? Let’s see, your flush toilet, electric lights, sewing machines, trousers, central heating, gas stoves, medical treatment, car, bars, telescopes to view the stars, books, reading nooks, much of what you cook, clean water, personal things for your daughter, the computer you typed on, the internet beyond, your very life, if it wasn’t for them someone else would be sitting where you are today.
Feel free to yes but and yea well all you want but you owe big time!
1. Learn to read.
2. I’m an Englishman, and I owe nothing.
3. Lickmuffin suggests that because my culture is failing, I owe something.
Now FO.
Figured you’d yes but, & yea well, signifying nothing yea well. You didn’t disappoint me.
YW, agreed entirely. LM really didn’t think this through.
I am of Scots ancestry YeahWell, you f***** owe me.
The comments above suggest that my comment implies that the indigenous people of Britain, France, Denmark “owe something” to someone and that I did not “think this through”. Not sure how you guys get there from here — reading comprehension issues, I suspect.
I just pointed out that the indigenous people of Britain, France, Denmark are failing cultures on their way to defeat. They seem to be in a spiral of civilizational exhaustion. There’s an inexplicable self-loathing among their ruling and intelligentsia classes that is downright suicidal. I really do not understand how their ruling classes expect to survive what they intend to do to the commoners — food and energy scarcity, economic ruin, persistent social denigration and isolation; I don’t see how the ruling class expects to be exempt from the effects of that if they destroy the middle class. The only people these cultures “owe” anything to is themselves: they owe themselves some self defense. The recent election results in Argentina and Netherlands are encouraging, but I suspect that the entrenched state in those countries will at least resist reforms if not react with outright violence.
Lots of us were propagandized out or transported.
Anyone who has ever lived where there is an abundance of indigenous people knows they are not “noble savages”. I agree totally with your statement, as I have been there, and my eyes are fully opened.
I always laugh when I hear the “indigenous ways of knowing” trope. So unbelievably racist and I can’t believe they accept that garbage.
Civil aviation is going to be lit AF when “indigenous ways of knowing” determine maintenance procedures.
Nah. They’ll never show up for work, so that won’t be a problem.
james, Indigenous Thinking is rather like an inverse form of Indian Giving. They take an idea and give it back as their own, in a very self-serving manner.
(Note to editor, I’m quite proud of this one 🙂 )
Where I live the city is exploring expanding a transit line.. They are doing a consultation of the community and the first people they invite are natives and transgenders.. Fine if they actually had a footprint in the community.. Damned weird if the don’t..
Ylvis – The Fox (What Does The Fox Say?) about sums it up..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE
It’s important to consult trans folx about transit. Would be really bad PR should a woman get her balls stuck in the bus or streercar or train doors. Not a good look at all for a public transit system. What’s Kate’s tag line about public transit? Riding public transit is like asking 30 women with balls to sit on your face? Or something like that.
That’s got to be one of the most stupid music videos I’ve wasted minutes of my life on.
Well, indigenous loses it’s appeal for them in the holy land. There you can find the Hebrews in the dirt, archaeological evidence, but the hundred year resident arabs are treated as indigenous.
STUPIDITY is universal!
Whenever I read about how wonderful life was in this part of the planet before the European colonizers arrived, I am reminded of the following paragraphs from The History of Northern British Columbia (1660 to 1880):
“The spectacle which met Khadintel’s eyes on his return to his village was indeed heart-rending. On the ground,
lying bathed in pools of blood, were the bodies of his own two wives and of nearly all his countrymen, while hanging on transversal poles resting on stout forked sticks planted in the ground, were the bodies of the children ripped open and spitted through the out-turned ribs in exactly the same way as salmon drying in the sun. Two such poles were loaded from end to end with that gruesome burden. ”
[…]
“The Carriers had now gratified their lust for vengeance. Indeed, the destruction of Chinlac was more than avenged. There the Chilcotins had set up two poles loaded with children’s bodies, while the Carriers did not return to their country before they had put up as a trophy three such poles with similarly innocent victims. ”
This brutal history is swept under the rug. I realize that the white man’s system of justice isn’t perfect, but I would argue that the traditional indigenous approach did create some opportunity for improvement. Around 170 years ago people like Chief William (Williams Lake BC is named after him) could also see some merit in a more restrained approach to settling disputes.
It’s probably covered by one of the other fallacies, notably the appeal to emotions.
Frances Widdowson was fired from Mount Royal U. for standing up to the Stockholm Syndrome derived racial pandering of indigenous knowledge. The captured institutions have abandoned reason in favour of post modern nihilist bilge. Indigenous knowledge, now mostly lost, was mostly limited to survival skills at a stone age level of technology and resulting carrying capacity of around three million people for all of North America. They were either defeated militarily or they voluntarily surrendered either formally under treaty or informally by accepting the dole and forevermore unfortunately stuck in a time warp in isolated socialist racial ghettos called Reserves. The whole mess is now captured in the realm of the scum-sucking activist legal community, poverty pimps, white pimp bureaucrats, and politicians bent on playing the system to feed absurd expectations that the 3% and declining racial legacy greater than 1/16 indigenous DNA are the landlords of the former nation known as Canada.
Well said, John!
Yup. It goes like this.
The Indians of the Americas were and are (a) the only true keepers of honour, truth, goodness, all things natural, and (b) possessed with an esoteric knowledge of The Truly Sacred that completely eludes the descendants of indigenous Picts, Celts, Britons, Slavs, Teutons, Gauls, etc.
If I may butcher The Bard:
Drivel, dribble, snot and spittle
Jamie
Us’n Frysians predate all those culture you mentioned, and so did my Viking ancestory!
Drivel, dribble, snot and spittle
Hey, that’s good, jamie.
The white liberal is a very miserable being. As such, it wants all humanity to be equally or more so miserable. Currently, native verbal histories are the tool it uses for causing us maximum misery.
“The white liberal is a very miserable being.”
Indeed. I used to wonder about the cause, but I think I’ve figured it out as far as Liberal males go. It’s the accumulative effect of knowing that (a) you really do nothing of value, (b) your father was in the same boat, and (c) your Grandpa had a pretend job too.
And as far as Liberal women are concerned, it’s just not growing up. Life has to be a fairy tail.
Not exclusive to whites. ‘Liberals’ in general don’t even know what the word means.
If I can add to Alaska Jim’s list.
Wine, cheese and cake thank you very much.
Self loathing Mia de los Reyes is simply performing penance. No doubt after learning Amherst College is built on “stolen” Indian land. The Nanotuck tribe if you really want to put a finer point on it and who I’m sure likely butchered plenty to wrest it from some other tribe back in the day. Meh. “Noble savage” indeed. Human history: Conquerers and Conquered.
I’m way beyond caring, if I did I’d be pissing and moaning about Constantinople 24-7
I haven’t given up on Byzantium.
Yes, good article. Or that the “names and legends” that have reached us from indigenous cultures are better simply because they were first? And who says they were first?
These names may have been made up on the spot when asked by the first European to ask them. And there were many indigenous European cultures before the first that the “indigenous” cultures met.
Or did the “indigenous” hide their telescopes when the white man came?
“Canadian Indifenous Peoples”
Uh huh. I’m indigenous. I was born here, my mom was born here, and her mom. 7 generations. Some of them were here before the Iroquois, who are IMMIGRANTS.
As to the Indians, I think of the ones around here as a biker gang, but with less class. Bikers treat their women and their kids better, for one thing.
pantom
“Bikers treat their women and their kids better, for one thing.”
And you prove there is another topic you are totally ignorant about. The bikers I have known, treat their wimins like schitt.
Gym, I think you have highlighted The Phantom’s point but not understood it.
And you prove there is another topic you are totally ignorant about. The bikers I have known, treat their wimins like schitt.
The irony…
Its all about what level people are operating at.
Scum forms on all stagnant waters.
I’m now taking bookings for my new band, Scum Forms, as well a Muddy Waters tribute act called Stagnant Waters. God, this place is an absolute well of inspiration.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/indigenous-slavers-american-indians-who-whipped-and-owned-blacks/