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January 31, 2010

Y2Kyoto: We're Running Out Of Gates

Climategate
Glaciergate
Pachaurigate
Hurricanegate
World Wildlifegate
Amazongate
Greenpeacegate
Studentdissertationandmagazinearticlegate.

In its most recent report, [the IPCC] stated that observed reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and Africa was being caused by global warming, citing two papers as the source of the information.

However, it can be revealed that one of the sources quoted was a feature article published in a popular magazine for climbers which was based on anecdotal evidence from mountaineers about the changes they were witnessing on the mountainsides around them.

The other was a dissertation written by a geography student, studying for the equivalent of a master's degree, at the University of Berne in Switzerland that quoted interviews with mountain guides in the Alps.

Related: Looking for heat in all the wrong places. Ladies, brace for swoon.

Posted by Kate at January 31, 2010 12:05 AM
Comments

The AGW brand suffering from overexposure. As the grant money dries up, Pachauri will have no shortage of fiction writers that can oblige with peer reviews.

Should be good for a Nobel Prize in literature.

Posted by: WalterF at January 30, 2010 11:27 PM

So Dr. Pachauri, head of the IPCC, shows himself to be just a silly, dirty old man, full of lewd imagination, who obviously has a hard time dealing with reality.

It sort of all fits.

Posted by: Rick in BC at January 30, 2010 11:29 PM

It appears that the good doctor has experience writing fiction.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 30, 2010 11:50 PM

OMG, read the last link...the comments alone will leave you in stitches for hours.

Posted by: Doug at January 30, 2010 11:58 PM

Will Ravi Shankar compose a sitar porn musical score for the movie?

(Btw, I had lunch at an East Indian restaurant today, and have greatly contributed to global warming as a by-product. Darn good butter chicken, goat curry, and loads of lentils and chick peas!)

Posted by: Al the fish in frozen Manitoba at January 31, 2010 12:01 AM

Wow...Sleezegate

Posted by: KBK at January 31, 2010 12:22 AM

I have a hard time believing that nobody checked into the references before! I can't believe that the scientific and layman community just took their word for it. Amazing.

Posted by: Dwayne at January 31, 2010 12:49 AM

That's interesting about the Swiss student because I've read a blog commenter (I think at Tim Blair's) reporting on a Swiss vacation saying the National Park (equivalent) guides point out that the particular glacier he was visiting was smaller in Roman days than today.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 31, 2010 12:57 AM

I'm with Global Warming FraudGate

or AGWGat

pr Al GoreGate

Or Dr.Fruit Fly Gate

or just call the whole damn thing FraudGate

Posted by: Fred at January 31, 2010 1:40 AM

The more garbage that's found in the IPCC reports, the more skeptics are checking all the claims and references. (And finding even more garbage science). I'm hoping it snowballs into a huge train wreck for the IPCC.

Posted by: Bill in Calgary at January 31, 2010 3:01 AM

Dr. Pachauri has become so wealthy "gating" us, he will live in a gated community on the Riviera for the rest of his life.

Posted by: Sylvanguy at January 31, 2010 3:45 AM

You've overlooked "Thermometergate".

Posted by: Wayne Richards at January 31, 2010 4:15 AM

So now that we know the planet isn't in any great peril the environmentalists will be celebrating and dancing in the streets, right?

It's all good news, isn't it?

Posted by: Stan at January 31, 2010 5:07 AM

is that a hockey-stick graph in your sari, or are you just happy to see me?

Posted by: rzr at January 31, 2010 6:10 AM

I'm loving this part of the article at WUWT,

WARNING ADULT CONTENT FOLLOWS:

(First time I’ve had to do that on WUWT)

Posted by: AtlanticJim at January 31, 2010 7:26 AM

“He removed his gown, slipped off his speedo and slid under the quilt on his bed… Jim Prentice put his arms around him and kissed him, first with quick caresses and then the kisses becoming longer and more passionate. Moaning we secured seventeen percent baby.

Posted by: wuberman at January 31, 2010 8:08 AM

How about "Haiti earthquake-gate" -- last I heard they were blaming the Haiti earth quake on climate change.

Expect the quakery to get surreal as the fear mongers ramp up in a desperate attempt to turn the stampeding lemmings back towards the cliff.

Posted by: The Fly at January 31, 2010 9:02 AM

The IPCC has a basic problem that only dissolution can cure. The organization was never set up to look dispassionately at climate change and what causes it. Its pro-AGW bias was built right into its marching orders. This is from the IPCC’s web site home page:

“The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.” –
http://www.ipcc.ch/about/about.htm

So with absolutely no proof that human activity causes climate change, the IPCC went into business making that assumption. Is it any wonder that the organization is open to bogus scientific claims and routinely excludes evidence that casts doubt on AGW?

I predict the IPCC will continue to hang around trying to conduct business as usual before eventually succumbing to ridicule. I trust everyone heard and noted the laughter that greeted Obama when he referenced the settled science of global warming in his State of the Union Address on Jan 27. IPCC, that is your future.

Posted by: JMD at January 31, 2010 9:05 AM

wuberman, that said it all, Prentice, the Joe Clark wannabe was seduced by the comb-over porn king of India and got "sucked" off by this SCAM. I am now, for the first time in 36 years of voting conservative, teetering. Is there a real conservative party left, with Prentice's signing this, he shows his ignorance and lack of research into this SCAM. Go outside the limo Jim, it is f.....g cold out idiot!

Posted by: bartinsky at January 31, 2010 9:21 AM

Yet, premier chimpy mcidiot forks over $ 7 billion(on top of the billions already spent)for more windmills and solar panels.

Yet, teachers in Ontario are still pushing the AGW fairy tale.

Yet, municipalities across Ontario are expanding their multi-truck, multi-route waste collection systems.(my left nut for a high-tech, electricity producing incinerator)

I could go on, but the point is well made. These brainwashed moonbat idiots are going to spend this province into insolvency.

I guess I could always retire to Alberta if you guys manage to get rid of that red tory premier you have there now.

Posted by: kingstonlad at January 31, 2010 9:22 AM

I know that this is hugely off-topic but there was a item just after this one - something about the 4 Mohammeds. Suddenly its gone.

Did they threaten you, Kate?

Posted by: a different bob at January 31, 2010 9:34 AM

bartinsky, I'm with you on this. The last time they phoned for a donation I told them that I want to see where this buying into the fraud goes before they get another dime.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 31, 2010 9:36 AM

a different bob, I tried to comment on that thread also and got some weird screen. Gremlins or Ally KaBooms atwork?

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 31, 2010 9:39 AM

Minister Prentice just aligned Canada with US policy and presented emission reduction targets to the UN yesterday. I hope cap and trade and a carbon tax are not far behind. Obviously the federal government does not believe the deniers or any of the so called "gates".

Posted by: T at January 31, 2010 10:02 AM

I love it that while the IPCC is undergoing China Syndrome so bad that its leader is turning to writing lurid romance novels for a living, Barry Obama is doubling down on GlowBall Warming, telling the Republican Party he's going to shut down the US coal industry.

They're not kidding this is comedy gold! You can't make stuff like this up.

I can hardly wait for these IPCC guys melt down to the water table. The steam explosion caused by half a billion metric tons of white hot enviro-BS hitting cold reality may be able to take out the whole US DemocRat Party, our Liberal Party AND the UN all at one whack.

Awesome. I'm gonna sit back with my beer and popcorn and enjoy the show.

Posted by: The Phantom at January 31, 2010 10:03 AM

Linking Dr. Pachauri and sex would cause most women to flee to the nearest convent and immediately take the veil. Yuck!

Posted by: Lynne at January 31, 2010 10:05 AM

Prentice is an embarrassment and an idiot. I hope his constituents are taking note.

Posted by: Altaguy at January 31, 2010 10:15 AM

Your drugs are now peaking "T", lay down and remain calm in mommas basement, enjoy the high and stay off computers, and other reality based machines.

Posted by: bartinsky at January 31, 2010 10:21 AM

Hey T,
it must be something to live life lite, land of the lotus eaters comes to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotophagi
“The lotus fruits and flowers were the primary food of the island and were narcotic and addictive, causing the people to sleep in peaceful apathy.”

There is this commenter that has very hard time taking in the reality; it just must not feel good. She thinks that the newspaper story was written by someone that comments here.

Posted by: Lev at January 31, 2010 10:22 AM

Man that is a creepy photo. The guy looks like he learned to smile from a marmot. There has got to be some kind of pathology at work in that dude. He has stolen enough money to live a life of ease, his kids looked after and he still slimes for a buck.

Posted by: Speedy at January 31, 2010 10:26 AM

Bartinsky, et.al. Are you saying Prentice is on drugs too for signing this? It must really get your goat all of you right wing conservatives, as Stevie is your guy and still has one of his ministers sign an emissions target document for the UN on climate change, that is much aligned with US policy. Cap and trade and a carbon tax are in the future people. Gotta love it.

Posted by: T at January 31, 2010 10:40 AM

Remember when we as over taxed Canadians used to joke about someday they will be taxing air? Well we have finally reached that point in our lives. Please, somebody put a stop to this evil comedy!!!

Posted by: Happy Infidel at January 31, 2010 10:45 AM

I was disappointed in the Prentice announcement. The British press is all over the topic of the IPCC and its corrupted science but in Canada, you'd barely hear of it except on blogs and the National Post. The announcement reinforces what I've feared. It was never about the climate. It was always about excuses for more taxes and wealth transfers. Both Canada and the US are facing huge deficits for the various bailouts in the past year and they're going to try to hide the subsequent increase in taxes in measures that they think the populace will swallow. For a while it looked as if everyone was on board with rescuing cute polar bears and reducing those awful emissions that were going to kill us all. Now that the science is proving dubious, they still need the taxes so they're trying hard to ignore the fact that it's crumbling about their ears. I'm sorely disappointed in the Conservative gov't. Sadly, there is no-one left to vote for unless the West gets back into separatism mode. Hey. It works for Quebec.

Posted by: rita at January 31, 2010 10:55 AM

T Cap and trade and a carbon tax are in the future people. Gotta love it.

As a lefty, does it bother you that most of the worlds energy,oil and chemical companies all want cap and trade? they are the ones pushing it, look up the membership list of IETA, International Emissions Trading Association.It was the largest lobby group at Copenhagen.

We are being had, and they are using you to do it.

Posted by: bob at January 31, 2010 11:12 AM

Pachauri became chief of the IPCC because the dictators and thugs at the UN didn't notice the difference between a Ph.D. in 'climatology' and 'climaxology'.

Posted by: Doug at January 31, 2010 11:17 AM

Personal politics should not provide some sort of myopic moral filter that prevents the recognition of a fraud. If right wing conservative means an individual who believes in small government, low taxation and respect for individual rights then I will wear that tag with pride. It will not get in the way of reaching intellectual conclusions based on the evidence presented. In the case of AGW, there has been no conclusive evidence that supports this theory. What was provided has proven to be demonstrably false either through manipulation, misrepresentation or outright deceit. The motivation of the participants in this fraud was not enlightened self interest; it was their personal enrichment and aggrandizement at the expense of the population. Politicians on the left and the right latched onto this as a mechanism to enact another tax and wrap themselves in the holy cloth of a fraudulent enterprise. I view all of them as quasi criminals who should be punished at the polls by an informed electorate. So T, this is directed at you and your fellow travelers. Put your personal politics aside and rid our system of political parasites that will use these scams to impoverish and ultimately enslave the population. In the case of Jim Prentice, he will get what he deserves when the population recognizes his delusion. Personally, I don’t give a damn what party you are from, I will not tolerate stupid or criminal. Vote Them OUT!

Posted by: Brian Mallard at January 31, 2010 11:20 AM

We forgot Naturaldisastergate:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7000063.ece

Posted by: Cjunk at January 31, 2010 11:45 AM

T is right. Our leader is leading us down the cap'n tax road. He's already set up the cap'n tax framework, so with a flick of the switch, we will be Pachauri's bitch and it will all have been brought to you by a CPC government.

Harper has made it so that people like T, can mock cons like us. Thanks Steve.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/doc/virage-corner/2008-03/526_eng.htm

Posted by: Cjunk at January 31, 2010 12:00 PM

It doesn't really matter if Prentice signed on or not. Our targets are the same as those of our largest trading partner. Obama has met none of his goals. Zero. The US economy has the ability to roar back. Ain't doin' that with Cap and Tax. We can weather it out. Time is not on 'The Big Burn's side. Panic is waning.

Posted by: Speedy at January 31, 2010 12:03 PM

And more problems for wind turbines... they adversely affect radar used at airports.
http://tinyurl.com/ycjz6k5

Posted by: andycanuck at January 31, 2010 12:06 PM

"It doesn't really matter if Prentice signed on or not."

Exactly. It was just too politically difficult to confront the sea of ignorance about AGW and believers like T, so they found an excellent strategy to deal with it.
As for T mocking us, c'mon, are you really worried about some rat that sneaks in here occasionally and poops before scurrying out? BTW, judging by the prompt posts, have you ever wondered how much time it spend monitoring this website?

Posted by: hudson duster at January 31, 2010 12:11 PM

This 'Energy Essay' should be required reading; exam to follow!
http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm?aid=2469

Posted by: DaninVan at January 31, 2010 12:15 PM

Personally I loathe the penchant for tacking the hackneyed suffix -gate on anything that reeks of scandal. Such is the way of tiny minds suffering from a lack of creativity or imagination.

Posted by: Edward Teach at January 31, 2010 12:35 PM

"Climategate: time for the tumbrils

A mighty outpouring of rage today from Philip Stott, foaming with righteous indignation, on the life and imminent death of the AGW scam.

Part of him is naturally enthralled:

… as an independent academic, it has been fascinating to witness the classical collapse of a Grand Narrative, in which social and philosophical theories are being played out before our gaze. It is like watching the Berlin Wall being torn down, concrete slab by concrete slab, brick by brick, with cracks appearing and widening daily on every face – political, economic, and scientific.

He recognises that this an era of massive geopolitical power shifts:

The humiliating exclusion of Britain and the EU at the end of the Copenhagen débâcle was partially to be expected, but it was brutal in its final execution. The swing of power to the BASIC group of countries (Brazil, South Africa, India, China) had likewise been signified for some time, but, again, it came with precipitate ease, leaving even the American President, Barack Obama, with no doubts as to where the political agenda on climate change was now heading, namely to the developing world, but especially to the East, and to the Pacific Rim. The dirigiste tropes of ‘Old Europe’, with its love of meaningless targets and carbon capping, will no longer carry weight, while Obama himself has been straitjacketed by the voters of Massachusetts, by the rust-belt Democrats, by a truculent Congress, by an increasingly-sceptical and disillusioned American public, but, above all, by the financial crisis. Nothing will now be effected that for a single moment curbs economic development, from China to Connecticut, from Africa to Alaska.

But his overwhelming mood is one of white-hot fury at the way so many of his fellow scientists have colluded in this nauseating conspiracy:

But his overwhelming mood is one of white-hot fury at the way so many of his fellow scientists have colluded in this nauseating conspiracy:

And what can one say about ‘the science’? ‘The ‘science’ is already paying dearly for its abuse of freedom of information, for unacceptable cronyism, for unwonted arrogance, and for the disgraceful misuse of data at every level, from temperature measurements to glaciers to the Amazon rain forest. What is worse, the usurping of the scientific method, and of justified scientific scepticism, by political policies and political propaganda could well damage science sensu lato – never mind just climate science – in the public eye for decades. The appalling pre-Copenhagen attacks by the British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, and his climate-change henchman, Ed Miliband, on those who dared to be critical of the science of climate change were some of the most unforgivable I can recall.

I first met Professor Stott a couple of years ago. He’s emeritus professor of biogeography at the University of London, and I tracked him down because in those days he was pretty much the ONLY senior scientific academic anywhere in Britain brave enough publicly to dispute the AGW ‘consensus.”

We had lunch. “There are many more scientists who think the way I do,” he told me. “But they don’t want to stick their heads above the parapet. They don’t want to lose their jobs.” We talked a bit about the loneliness of our position, how impossible it was to place dissenting articles anywhere in the media, how people who thought like us were treated like pariahs."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100024416/climategate-time-for-the-tumbrils/

Posted by: maz2 at January 31, 2010 12:36 PM

There was no need for Prentice to sign on to this fraud. If he and this government really believe in this bullshit AGW and it sure looks like they do, then they might as well start calling themselves what they really are...liberals. Nice gutless move Steve and Jim. You just pissed off your real friends. Good luck with your new support base. I'm done with you guys.

Posted by: Altaguy at January 31, 2010 12:44 PM

Front page article in the Calgary Herald today "Tories Back Off Climate Target". Focus, of course, is on critics comments starting with the Suzuki Foundation, then Greenpeace with not a single mention (surprise, surprise) of any of the AGWgates.

Adding Sarah McGinnis to my growing list of AWG party members and complicit supporters/reporters (Kelly Cryderman already on the list) for future reference when this finally comes completely unravelled.

Thankfully, Prentice sticking with idea that Canada's policy will be based largely on what the Barry does. Cap and Trade already dead in the U.S. Senate and Nov. mid-terms will, hopefully, complete the turning of the tide that started in Massachusetts.

Posted by: jrhall at January 31, 2010 1:06 PM

Personally I loathe the penchant for tacking the hackneyed suffix -gate on anything that reeks of scandal. Such is the way of tiny minds suffering from a lack of creativity or imagination.

I know what you mean Edward Teach.
However, recall, the first GATE was Watergate, wherein Nixon was hounded out of office for what, now, would be considered a fairly minor political crime, if you'll excuse that redundant phrase.

SO, using the "-gate" is a continuing reminder to the left of that inequitable iniquity -- a form of vengeful irony.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at January 31, 2010 1:27 PM

"However, recall, the first GATE was Watergate, wherein Nixon was hounded out of office for what, now, would be considered a fairly minor political crime, if you'll excuse that redundant phrase."

...which took place at the Watergate Hotel. An establishment that is still on operation today under the same name, and I don't recall the hotel having anything to do with what took place. The point being that the name of the establishment really had nothing to do with what took place and the label "Watergate" really wasn't appropriate. Plus Watergate is one word, not two, nor is it hyphenated, so there isn't even really a suffix there in the first place that could lend itself to being used in such an annoying fashion by journalist hacks and other mediocre intellects.

Posted by: Edward Teach at January 31, 2010 1:43 PM

Kate, you forgot to mention "Harpergate" ??? ( http://fairwhistleblower.ca/content/fair-website-called-most-dangerous-ottawa ) Or, is it too dangerous to mention...

Posted by: Frank Docherty at January 31, 2010 1:48 PM

Somebody get that Pachuri dude a personal groomer for cripes sake.

Posted by: Brian M. at January 31, 2010 2:01 PM

andycanuck
[.....That's interesting about the Swiss student because I've read a blog commenter (I think at Tim Blair's) reporting on a Swiss vacation saying the National Park (equivalent) guides point out that the particular glacier he was visiting was smaller in Roman days than today.]

I have investigated this to a minor point.
It appears that after Rome finally over-ran Switzerland that it was criss-crossed by their road system....logically shortening their routes into Gaul and the Rhinelands.
Many maps exist showing roads traversing passes still blocked by glaciers.
Geologists and archeologists have traced those roads into those passes and under the contemporary glaciers.
Any doubt that the Roman Warming didn't exist or was not as warm as now, is debunked by those roads.
In other places, Alpine Gold Mines have been recently exposed which were sealed off/buried by glaciers. These mines were worked during the Roman and Medieval Climate Optimimums.
The Roman Empire didn't end because of corruption or decadence some much as the end of the Warming Period caused crop failures/economic collapse and drove asian nomads from the steppes to warmer climates....a climate caused migration.
The Silk Road did not close due to Islam so much as the mountains became impassible.....which inspired the sudden adoption of alternative sea routes----the AGE of Discovery---colonization.
Perhaps what we are witnessing is a geo-political change.....which is not to be effected by either climate or scandal over the long haul.

Posted by: sasquatch at January 31, 2010 2:17 PM

That's interesting, sasquatch, unlike the trolls and concern trolls here today.

I recall the Blair [?] commenter reporting something about the guides discussing archaelogical evidence like Roman finds being discovered at points that had once been completely glaciated, but he didn't go into details as you have. Thanks. Another arrow in the quiver against 'unprecedented' global warming.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 31, 2010 2:56 PM

Swoon alert? More like cringe/puke/run away as fast as you freakin can Alert....

Posted by: Soccermom at January 31, 2010 3:02 PM

So while politicians are still running with the idea cap & trade, Kyoto, Copenhagen and all the other eco-greenie stuff in the belief that they are saving their sheeple, I mean constituents, from oblivion, Minnesotans are discovering that their foreign bought windmills need block heaters.

http://tinyurl.com/yzq9mar

Apologies for the run-on sentence. I sucked at grammar in school.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 31, 2010 3:11 PM

Geo-political change ... sure. Recall Evan Sayet?


Just chalk this up as another issue that the left are on the wrong side of.


Posted by: OMMAG at January 31, 2010 3:17 PM

OMMAG: So, if the left are on the wrong side of this issue, what side are the Harper CPC on?

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Canada+signs+Copenhagen+pact/2418235/story.html

Posted by: Cjunk at January 31, 2010 4:03 PM

sasquatch @ 2:17, nice find. Care to give some sources, as I find that era fascinating and have never read anything in this vein. It sure helps to explain a lot of why certain socio-economic events occurred.

Don't worry about liberal trolls, as reality begins for them sometime in the mid 1800s with Karl Marx.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 31, 2010 4:07 PM

Socialists called to “war”.

This is why Liberal Iffy and his Liberal/socialists are mute/silent re AGW FRaud.

The time has come for Environment Minister Prentice to declare his choice: defend Canada’s interest or resign.

…-

“To my compatriots in the UK: Beware of Ed Miliband’s war on skeptics

When I read this declaration of “war” against global warming skeptics, I struggled with what to say:

Climate secretary Ed Miliband broke his silence on the ongoing row about man-made climate change by declaring war on the “siren voices” who denied global warming was real or man-made.

My initial reaction was that Ed Miliband crossed some sort of line, but instead of just railing against him, I paused to think about it.

Governments declare “war” all the time, it seems. They’ll declare a “war against crime” or a “war against poverty”.

Why does this seem different? Is it merely because I’d be the target of Ed Miliband’s war if I lived in the UK?

So I thought more about it, and I began to understand what made me see this as different, on an intuitive level..

First, take a “war against crime” (or any specific crime, like a “war against drunk driving”). A crime is defined by law (debated and passed by democratically elected legislatures), and enforced by the courts, at arms length from the government. To fight the “war”, the government might allocate additional resources to law enforcement, but that is a change in intensity. And when a criminal is arrested, he is processed through the justice system with all the rights and protections given to any citizen accused of a crime, and with the onus on the government to prove its case. The “war on crime” does not alter that.

If I voiced doubts about the global warming alarmism, am I doing anything illegal? Of course not. As a citizen of the UK, I would have a right to voice those doubts, as loudly as I care to. There is no law against it, so how can the British government justify this “war”? This isn’t like a “war on crime”, since there is no crime being committed.

So criminal justice is a formal, well-defined, process, and it’s obvious how a “war on crime” is different from a “war on global warming skeptics”. What about something less well defined, like a “war on poverty” (or “war on illiteracy” and the like)? How can I feel less offended by the notion of such a “war”?

Poverty is something that is objectively undeniable. It is a not a potential future outcome, but a present reality. And despite it’s objective reality, we can (and do) debate how to draw the the line to define poverty, what its underlying causes are, and how to best address the issue.

Indeed, we seem to tolerate more debate on a real issue like poverty than we do on global warming, which is predicted by computer models. And by “we”, I mean people like Ed Miliband.

This “war on skeptics” is not like a “war on crime” or a “war on poverty”, and now I understand why. It’s not because I’m the bad guy in it.” (more)

http://stevejanke.com/archives/297676.php

http://www.bluelikeyou.com/2010/01/31/why-is-the-truth-so-inconvenient/#comment-73811

Posted by: maz2 at January 31, 2010 4:25 PM

Cjunk .... no doubt about it ... they are pandering to the leftards. That does not make anything these self described progressives say or do any more correct. It makes them as wrong on this issue as all other stripes of politicians.

Unlike you it seems that I am in a position to do something about it.

I sent my messages on this matter to the party.. the PM ... my MP and the fool Prentice. In this I pointed out the denial of my funds to the party and to my MP as well as the intention to bring this up at EDA meetings where I have in the past helped to raise significant funds.

I also gave a couple other MPs a earfull in person when they were pressing me at a fundraiser back in December and refused to make contributions at their event.
I have also informed other independent local fundraisers including former MPs and former candidates that if they are not fighting this garbage they are as much on the wrong side of the issues as the likes of Jack Layton and Stephane Dion. I will not sit by and suffer idiots.

What did you do?


Posted by: OMMAG at January 31, 2010 6:22 PM

OMMAG: We must be related, I did the same thing. I was a very signifant donar at one time and a party worker ... I was stunned at the blow-off I got when communicating my concerns ... and I communicated them rationally and respectfully.

Funny how arrogant the CPC insiders have become.

Posted by: Cjunk at January 31, 2010 7:19 PM

OMMAG


good for you

you should also direct these incompetents to this blog/and/or WUWT


Edward Teach


this is a discussion about one of the biggest frauds ever, and you whine about a "suffix" (gate), dood, let me know when you bump into the real world!!!

Posted by: GYM at January 31, 2010 7:46 PM

If they had any courage and honor they'd disembowel themselves with wakizashis.

I would happily volunteer to be their kaishaku.

Posted by: POWinCA at January 31, 2010 7:58 PM

Message to Environment Minister Prentice:

Have you seen/read this*?

This is more evidence of the UN-IPCC-AGW Fraud. The link is below.

RSVP with your comments.

“*It is now official: The IPCC is citing self-acknowledged guesswork from non-scientific sources.”
…-

“*The story of the Geography Major’s Dissertation

A big story in climate science right now is the fact that the IPCC relied on a mountain magazine and a graduate student’s dissertation as their citations for a specific claim in their Fourth Assessment Report. However there are few details, so I decided to do some digging. I found out a bit about the dissertation.

I believe this is the dissertation. It is written by this man, Dario-Andri Schwörer, also here. He was a student at the Geographical Institute of the Universities of Berne and Zurich, which is where he wrote his dissertation in or before 1997. He is now an avid outdoors-men, and a self-described ‘well known expert on the impact of climate change in the Alps’. Right now he is engaged in the TOPtoTOP program to promote climate protection.

The dissertation itself is titled:

An Inquiry into Possible Effects of Climatic Change on the Mountain Guide Trade in the Bernina Region

Subtitled:

Geography Major Dissertation

by

SCHWÖRER DARIO-ANDRI

carried out at the Geographical Institute of the Universities of Berne and Zurich

The dissertation itself is not entirely about climate change. In fact, he mentions the number one reason that mountain guides give for decreased climbs is not climate change, but:

“They attribute this decrease in the first place to the recession and the high exchange rate of the Swiss franc in relation to the German mark. In the second place they mention changes of the natural environment.”

That wasn’t mentioned in the AR4. The ambiguity continues:” (more)

http://climatequotes.com/2010/01/31/the-story-of-the-geography-major-dissertation/

http://stevejanke.com/archives/297676.php

Posted by: maz2 at January 31, 2010 8:15 PM

Ken Kulak:
I guess you could google such things as alpine glaciers, roman roads, barbarian invasions--migration routes---
Much of this I have devined from reading various media. Marco Polo wrote of difficult travelling over the Pamirs.....however even that is controversial---if Polo had indeed made his trek to Cathy to the court of Kublai Khan(I doubt he did)---howcum he never mentioned TEA?
I doubt it is a coincidence that the Greenland Vikings were froze out about 1300, that Scandanavia ceased to be a potent factor in European Geo-politics after 1300, the Silk Road closed about 1300 and the Mongols were defeated by the Manchurians about 1300. A general decline in Mediterranean trade likely weakened the moslem hegemony enough to encourage/aid the long Spanish Reconquista----which culminated in 1492.
It is not much of a leap to realize that the end of the Roman Warming affected Eurasian crops/grazing much like the ending of the Medieval Warming. The barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire were likely a manifestation of a migration of economic/climate refugees from the steppes. Birds and critters migrate as well.
Indeed the Great Plagues occurred during the Little Ice Age----stressed, malnourished folk succumb to infection/disease more than the healthy and well feed....basic animal husbandry.

Posted by: sasquatch at January 31, 2010 8:16 PM

Are none of you paying attention? PMSH came out in Davos saying that even if we wanted to curb our emissions, the technology does not exist. He has also been up front that he will do nothing that puts us at a disadvantage to our largest trading partner. He is a chess player, every move is plotted several steps in advance. He certainly is not stupid and is a trained economist. He is also a prgamatist ande deals with the art of the possible. With AGW going down in flames he can sign the Copenhagen agreement knowing full well that he will never have to deliver. Meanwhile he has bought time for the full mess to come out and for public opinion to come around re AGW and the fraud.

I think it was a great move.

Posted by: GerryM at January 31, 2010 8:35 PM

sasquatch, 8:12, thanks. I thought maybe I had forgotten what Gibbons said in "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" or the other Roman history books I have and that you had some specific source material. It is too bad that history books generally ignore geographical or climatic changes.

Not that today's ideological fanatics would bother educating themselves.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at January 31, 2010 8:37 PM

This amount of stuff going through a gate requires a turn style.

Posted by: the bear at January 31, 2010 8:57 PM

Napolean opined that an army marches on it's stomach.
What I find interesting is the vast oddysey the Alans made....initially north out of the transcaucasis (moving north during warming) then west finally settling in North Africa via the Iberian Peninsula.....to be assimilated into the North African population....
Other migrated north out of Persia unto the stepps than back south into Afghanistan hence to India.....was climate luring the north then driving the south?
No answers just a lot of questions....as it should be....I do try not to jump to confusions.

Posted by: sasquatch at January 31, 2010 8:59 PM

From a UK climate realist site, a little bit of further information on the "They did it, but cannot be charged" excuse by the British Authorities.

Apparently they can:

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=5017&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ClimaterealistsNewsBlog+%28ClimateRealists+News+Blog%29

Posted by: Robert of Ottawa at January 31, 2010 9:15 PM

A million scientists can't be wrong ... splash!!!

Posted by: Robert of Ottawa at January 31, 2010 9:21 PM

If Kate was a paper or magazine its quite possible she would have had a Pulitzer for all the work she's put in exposing these frauds.
I know I appreciate it.
I give the NYT the Putz award.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at February 1, 2010 2:25 AM
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