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March 26, 2008

Y2Kyoto: I Miss The Antarctic Ice Cap

Breaking...

Vast iceberg breaks off Wilkins Ice Shelf in Antarctic

(Question: These "icebergs" they speak of - where did they come from in the pre-warming era, when ice shelves remained intact?)titanic-sinking.jpg

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The full Wilkins 6,000 square mile ice shelf is just 0.39% of the current ice sheet (just 0.1% of the extent last September). Only a small portion of it between 1/10th-1/20th of Wilkins has separated so far, like an icicle falling off a snow and ice covered house. And this winter is coming on quickly. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60% ahead (4.0 vs 2.5 million square km extent) of last year when it set a new record. The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere winter and 6 months ahead of the peak. Wilkins like all the others that temporarily broke up will refreeze soon. We are very likely going to exceed last year’s record. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica’s ice sheet is also starting to disappear.

Posted by Kate at March 26, 2008 2:11 PM
Comments

The iceberg that sank the Titanic 96 years ago, wasn't an iceberg at all. It was one of those rare, gigantic floating rocks, placed there by the exquisite navigation efforts of George Bush's great grandfather.

Posted by: Ed at March 26, 2008 2:40 PM

Isn't "The Thing" from Antarctica?

Shouldn't we leave those kind of "things" alone?

Posted by: puddin and pie at March 26, 2008 2:43 PM

Kate..link no workieee...:(
Icebergs? There are no stinkin icebergs due to GW! This must be somebody's imagination gone wild.

Posted by: Justthinkin at March 26, 2008 2:54 PM

Oh. Looking at the pic again...it's an ice FLOE, not a berg....sheeeeesh. Have all the MSM gone nuts? Rhetorical question.

Posted by: Justthinkin at March 26, 2008 2:56 PM

There's a key graph in Christopher Monckton's graph:
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Monckton2.jpg.

What it shows is a steadily declining CO2 inventory over the past 600 million years with a generally constant average temperature (a few large dips in the late Carboniferous and current Tertiary periods).

This decline in CO2 content should have been producing a much larger overall temperature drop. What balanced off against it was the increasing output of the sun. Today the sun is putting out about 40 per cent more energy than was the case at the beginning of the Triassic 250 million years ago. This increase has been largely balanced off by the drawdown in CO2 atmospheric inventory, leaving only a slight cooling trend in temperature.

So will doubling the atmospheric content of CO2 from 280 ppm to more than 500 ppm have any significant effect for life on this planet? Hardly. Life was far more abundant on our planet at much higher CO2 concentrations and at trivially higher temperature conditions than prevail today.

Posted by: cgh at March 26, 2008 2:57 PM

Thanks, link fixed.

Posted by: Kate at March 26, 2008 2:57 PM

Isn't it funny, that when a 'new ice age' is almost about to kill a billion or two people by starving them to death, we are being forced to pay to 'combat global warming'? I am LMAO every time I pay my utility bills that include AGW surcharge.

Posted by: Aaron at March 26, 2008 2:58 PM

Here's a direct quote from the article cited:

"... Antarctica’s ice sheet is also starting to disappear."

How scary is that?!?!

Furthermore, if you look at the accompanying photo, you can see that the lower part of the earth looks like a giant bruise.

I'm tellin' ya, the Earth's hurtin' bad.


Posted by: Richard Ball at March 26, 2008 2:59 PM

What? You say that the environmental watermelons have been lying? They've been claiming firstly to be "scientists" and secondly that the ice is melting when the opposite has happened?

Gee, that's as hard to believe as the claim that the Goracle lives in a huge, energy-burning mansion or some equally impossible to believe lie - like Dr.Fruit Fly owning two large homes.

What? They do? Well... never mind then.

Posted by: Warwick at March 26, 2008 3:04 PM

Hmmm.

I guess that big ice cube will keep the ocean temperatures cool ... at least the areas into which it floats over.

Sure to drive the global warming, er, climate change, settled science proponents goofier than they already.

Provable scientific fact has a way of separating the seekers of truth (true scientists) from the totalitarians (socialist international).

Posted by: set you free at March 26, 2008 3:07 PM

I don't know if I've saved the link, but I've read relatively recently (like within the past year) that icebergs break off when they're too heavy, not because they're melting.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 26, 2008 3:15 PM

For me the key point is " will refreeze soon."

Does that not suggest that perhaps the currents or something else caused the initial breakaway?

Posted by: Sid at March 26, 2008 3:15 PM

Over the long, cold, snowy winter the MSM has been keeping the "global warming" hysterics toned down.

But now that Earth Hour and Earth Day are approaching, the alarmist bullcrap is being ramped up. Look for it to increase.

And don't forget, for Earth Hour (March 29th, 8:00 PM to 9:00 PM) turn on all your lights and crank up the furnace.

Posted by: JR at March 26, 2008 3:19 PM

I agree with JR, we should spread the word that during Earth Hour turn on every light, furnace, appliance and vehicle you got and lets see if we can flip the break on the utility plant.

I'm serious.

Posted by: J at March 26, 2008 3:23 PM

Ah, yes, calving icebergs from a glacier - a sure sign the end of the world is near! NOT.

Calving icebergs mean that the ice sheet is GROWING - from the centre out - pushing the 'berg into the ocean where it breaks free when it finally becomes unsupported by a land mass. Yet the enviro wingnuts will have the sheeple believe that the end is nigh!

Posted by: Finn at March 26, 2008 3:28 PM

I haven't used my hot tub this winter. But I think I'll crank it up for earth hour.

Posted by: Ed at March 26, 2008 3:28 PM

Ha, go look at the Earth Hour picture on the national post link that JR mentions above. I sure hope they aren't burning any fossil fuels to keep that balloon in the air.

Posted by: kmn at March 26, 2008 3:29 PM

With all this global warming going on we are going to need to get ice for our drinks somewhere; it's a delicate balance. To quote the great Mr. Miyagi. "Buddha provide"

Posted by: Ardvark at March 26, 2008 3:29 PM

One thing for sure. The frequency of the trolls coming here to shriek at us "AGW deniers" has decreased substantially as the fraud is exposed more and more.

I have even noticed the younger set (20-30, the kids of Kingston's "liberal" bunch) questioning the whole scam as well.

SHE'S FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS BOY !

Posted by: kingstonlad at March 26, 2008 3:35 PM

It's sad to see the BAS scientists have drunk the Kool-Aid. I guess the research grants depend on it.

Anyway, ice-shelves are prone to breaking off. It's always been that way. Antarctica is justing coming off its summer season so the timing is right.

Posted by: greenmamba at March 26, 2008 3:36 PM

What? No pictures of a thermometer next to an air conditioning condensor to PROVE that the antarctic isn't warming up?

Posted by: ulianov at March 26, 2008 3:36 PM

This should be good for at least one more global warming conference on Bali, transport courtesy of Learjet.

Posted by: DrD at March 26, 2008 3:40 PM

"Ah, yes, calving icebergs from a glacier - a sure sign the end of the world is near! NOT. Calving icebergs mean that the ice sheet is GROWING "

Exactly. Since The Goreacle has proven to the world that retreating glaciers are proof of AGW, then it is logical that an ADVANCING glacier, pushing its ice edge out over water, is proof of Global Cooling.

Isn't the logic of science wonderful.

Posted by: Fred at March 26, 2008 3:43 PM

Slow down Fred. You cannot expect logic to apply to shrieking, "the sky is falling" leftards.

Posted by: kingstonlad at March 26, 2008 3:45 PM

Earth Hour?

I want to rent a f'ing generator and one of those old-school Hollywood spotlights like they used in the original King Kong movie that you can practically see from space… When the time comes, point the damn thing right at your most obnoxious greentard neighbour.

Posted by: Warwick at March 26, 2008 3:49 PM

What about those energy saving light bulbs? Now we learn they're full of mercury. Too dangerous to throw away.
How about this? The AGW fear freaks can use them as thermometers. Stick 'em up their ass to take their temperature.
That way they can learn how their hot air is melting the ice caps, and causing that stampede of runaway ice floes.

Posted by: Ed at March 26, 2008 4:05 PM

The ice shelves are the fringes of the antarctic continent - shore ice on a big scale. Satelite radar imagery shows the ice on the landmass is growing thicker - and that would suggest previous poster Finn is correct - the fringes slough off as the centre mass grows and expands outward. Like a scab heals on your knee.

MM

Posted by: michael maltby at March 26, 2008 4:28 PM

Where's Ted when everyone is waiting for him to say something... scolding?

Posted by: Aaron at March 26, 2008 4:31 PM

"We predicted it would happen, but it’s happened twice as fast as we predicted.”

Which means their predictions were off by 50%.

Posted by: Richard Ball at March 26, 2008 4:35 PM

A suggestion that would suit all of us who don't take down Christmas lights until spring; turn 'em on to celebrate Mar. 29. Could turn into a tradition.

Posted by: christopher rivers at March 26, 2008 4:46 PM

CTV has been pumping this ever few minutes all day today....Kate could you please send CTV your posted rebutal and tell them to quit the alarmist BS!

Posted by: Al W at March 26, 2008 4:59 PM

"One thing for sure. The frequency of the trolls coming here to shriek at us "AGW deniers" has decreased substantially as the fraud is exposed more and more."

Maybe these trolls should be called "global cooling deniers"

Posted by: Chad at March 26, 2008 5:11 PM

I am shocked - shocked I tell you, that CTV would report such an incident without also giving you the advice about you can immediately do - reduce your carbon emissions immediately by turning off your TV.

Posted by: shaken at March 26, 2008 5:17 PM

Mother Gaia is chipping off ice cubes and tossing them into the oceans to cool down the fevered planet (and freak out scientists measuring ocean temperatures).

Posted by: Richard Ball at March 26, 2008 5:33 PM

It should be no surprise that CTV is going apoplectic. Kevin Newman has been the Anchor and Executive Editor of Global National since its first edition on September 3rd, 2001. Kevin Newman is a raving lunatic when it comes to AGW. He has been heard numerous times on Adler ranting and raving about it like the eco-fascists Al Gore and David Suzuki. I'm surprised that Newman would put his unbelievable bias onto the public airwaves like that. Anything out of CTV related to AGW is suspect given Newmans involvement.

Posted by: John Luft at March 26, 2008 5:35 PM

The Antarctic sea ice is currently refreezing. As we know, when melt water refreezes it expands. During the summer the shelf ice would have melted and ran down any cracks in the ice. Now that it is cooling, that fresh water would be freezing and expanding, causing the shelf to shatter. This will help expand the level of Antarctic sea ice even further. The level of Antarctic sea ice has been expanding for the last five years. 2008 may be the sixth year of expansion.

Posted by: truthsayer at March 26, 2008 5:39 PM

Just saw TV coverage of the iceberg break-off (Global TV I think); part of the report was global warming warning that Antarctic temps have risen by 3 degrees and our winter temps have risen by 4 degrees since the 1950's.
Unfortunately, there was no video coverage of the commentator's nose growing.

Posted by: Rich at March 26, 2008 5:43 PM

Bantered with the AGW crowd over at the Globe and Mail on their version of this 'breaking' news, not a lot of scientific rebuttal, just mostly ad hominem tripe, then I listened to the Dave Rutherford Show on CHED (guest hosted by the other Dave) with Dr. Roy Spencer of The University of Alabama, he wasn't kind to the AGW crowd nor the IPCC, of which he was once a former contributor. Bad day for the warmists. Talked about the modelers and the bad drugs they have been feeding their models, seems the little seabots and the satellites aren't cooperating with the modeler's stories of the future. I feel a lot better though.

I seriously doubt that the threat of carbon taxes will go away, that ship has already left port, may be it'll an ice berg. I can only hope.

Posted by: bruce riley at March 26, 2008 6:14 PM

Sadly, there are no politicians who are willing to stand up and say that Climate Change is a scam and that he or she will not tax the shit out of us to cool the sun or warm it or whatever the trend is at the time.

I just heard John McCaine beating about how the US must work with the rest of the idiots on planet earth to bring in a cap and trade system so we can hand down a healthy planet to our grand children.

However, we not be handing them any money since it's going to be extorted by our betters in this scam.

I have no grand children thankfully so I will do whatever I want and spend whatever money I have and flick the bird on my death bed.


Posted by: John West at March 26, 2008 6:50 PM

Chad. That would be one thing to call them. I have a few others.

1. killers of millions for banning DDT
2. destroyers of atmosphere for fighting nuclear power
3. filler of landfills by throwing hissy fits over incineration
4. creators of smog by having a second set of trucks picking up our garbage(recycling, what a joke...geez)

Once again, the progressive elites have been proven wrong, wrong and wrong again.

Posted by: kingstonlad at March 26, 2008 6:56 PM

Suzuki could reduce climate change by selling one of his two mansions to a several homeless persons for $1.00.

Posted by: MJH at March 26, 2008 7:16 PM

Much of North America has suffered thru a very snowy and record breaking winter so far, with places in Eastern Canada at 500 cm of snow.

Is this a good time to ask the AGW people what they think the winters will be like when the earth's weather cycle gets to the glacier building stage again?

Posted by: rockyt at March 26, 2008 7:28 PM

Also "breaking": Hot off my presses:

Climate Change? Forget About It: McGuinty Liberals

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2008/03/climate-change-forget-about-it-mcguinty.html

Almost no mention in the Ontario Budget of climate change, according to Lorrie Goldstein.

MSM doesn't say a bloody word. Doesn't care a whit.

You know, I predicted several times that the "progressives" would soon enough get tired of not getting their way in a hurry and forget about this latest Big Lie and move on.

This may well be the first indication. A Liberal government has abandoned its jihad against the imaginary impending catastrophe. The MSM appears to be letting them off the hook just like that. Wow! Imagine how different the reporters' questioning would've been if it had been a Conservative government instead of a "progressive" Liberal one...

Guess what? Already it's a non-story.

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at March 26, 2008 7:40 PM

The Ontario Libs are well aware of where their economy is heading. Guess when the times are bad they cut and run from their GW mantras. What really picks me off is the non attention from the media.

Posted by: Matt at March 26, 2008 7:49 PM

"Frozen mammoth carcasses found in Siberia have challenged our imagination for centuries."
(Answers)
Warmites say, too late for elephants in Auntyarctic.
But not for mammoths. ? Sorry! Correction. Too late for mammoths in lberia.
...-

"The trade, bolstered recently by global warming, which has melted the tundra and exposed more frozen remains, is not only legal but actually endorsed by conservationists.
They note somewhat grudgingly that while the survival of elephants may be in question, it is already too late for mammoths."

Trade in mammoth ivory, helped by global thaw, flourishes in Russia
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1992161/posts

Posted by: maz2 at March 26, 2008 8:22 PM

EVIL CANADIANS WIPING OUT ENTIRE HARP SEAL POPULATION!

If you liked this Times story of the fast-disappearing Antarctic icecap, you'll love the Times story about the upcoming demise of the entire Harp Seal herd AT THE BLOOD-STAINED HANDS OF YOU EVIL CANADIANS!

The Times article is entitled "Canada defiant over annual seal pup cull" by Tom Leonard.

You've got to check the article's numbers to see their somewhat hidden statistics lie. I quote a pertinent excerpt below:

"...Robbie Marsland, the UK director of the International Fund for Animal Welfare, said the quotas "will inevitably have serious consequences for the future of the harp seal population".

He added: "Scientists predict that annual hunts at this level could reduce the population by 70 per cent in the next 15 years."

I note that approved hunt number of 275,000 harp seals, out of a herd of more than 5.5 million works out to almost exactly 5%. WHEREAS his predicted reduction of the population by 70% over 15 years works out to about 6% a year. Even ignoring that 1% over 15 years (a substantial number in itself) that can only make sense if NO SEALS are born between now and 15 years hence AND 5% of the herd are culled each of these upcoming 15 years.

Mr. Marsland, Old Boy, some people can do arithmetic!

It's sad to see even the once-great London Times has stooped to publishing this National Enquirer-level of pseudo-journalism.

Posted by: Dave in PA at March 26, 2008 8:42 PM

Only those who want to push the "Great Equaliser" of socialism and make serfs out of us point to natural phenomena and cry,"Lo, for there is irrifutable proof of global warming".

Slightly off topic, ING Insurance ran an advertisement in the January 2008 National Geopgraphic claiming that cattle were the most dangerous thing to the environment. In response to this claim I contacted ING's media people to ask if what they were thus saying was that it was a good thing that the plains buffalo were almost wiped out; imagine what all those methane belching beasts were doing to the environment and keeping the forest growth trampled and ate down. I am still waiting for a reply.

Posted by: Mike T at March 26, 2008 9:15 PM

"Frozen mammoth carcasses found in Siberia have challenged our imagination for centuries."

Read an interesting article about the frozen mammoths and what their remains tell us about the past.

First of all it shows us that once upon a time it was much warmer in that area than it is now. Mammoths like elephants require lots of food to survive. The only food they could eat was plants. The volume of plant material required to support a mammoth can only grow in warm climate. A mammoth would starve to death if all it had to eat was what now grows on the tundra.

Secondly climate change seemingly took place very suddenly. Some of the frozen mammoths were found with grass in their mouths. They were contentedly eating supper when a huge snow fall trapped them, froze them and did not release their remains for thousands of years.

Posted by: Joe at March 26, 2008 9:23 PM

This Times article - twenty, or so, of their own commenters, all but 4 or 5 trashed the Times - laughed at the fear-mongering.

When will the media get it - cut their losses and move on - report the news without spin.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at March 26, 2008 10:07 PM

Call in Abdullah DeLancey.
He's got a knife. He can get those harp seals.
He has stillettos too, and a nice white dress.

Posted by: Ed at March 26, 2008 10:16 PM

It must be nice for the good Professor (David Vaughan). Instead of admitting his predictions are as good as a monkey's dart ... blames something he knows nothing about ... like the Earth/Sun/Solar system has nothing to with it (and claims to be an expert).

Mexican jumping bean world view ... without the understanding. It's the moth David.

Posted by: ural at March 26, 2008 11:00 PM

Good God! Pathetic, pathetic!

These endless posts intending to show Global Warming is a "fraud"! If you had adequate proof you could just present it and be done with it. But no, Kate has to stitch together this crazy quilt of 'information' to try and prove it (a new post virtually every day) so that her trained seals here can clap their flippers and say all those book-readin' fancy-pants are wrong, etc., etc.

One of you Einsteins fantasizes blasting people with klieg lights on the Earth Day 'blackout' and he even coins a new term: 'Greentards'. Bet you he was real proud of that one.

Come on, guys. It really sounds like a chorus here of grumpy old men shaking their fists and shouting "Git offa my lawn!!" Such anger and bitterness!

Posted by: rolik at March 26, 2008 11:36 PM

rolik:

All done in the interest of scientific pursuit.

Knowledge is alway changing and all evidence must be weighed.

Science is never ‘settled,' since it is a sum total of knowledge up to that point in the world's history.

Prophecies are not, repeat, science. They're just guessed.

And, guess what? The concept of human-caused global warming is plainly scientifically incorret.


Posted by: set you free at March 26, 2008 11:54 PM

Rolik:
There's plenty of proof, but you lefties won't look at it, because you decided a long time ago that the debate was over. And any scientist who disagrees with you is berated and belittled and research grants are cut off. So get your high horse you arrogant jerk. And as far as lawns are concerned , guy like you don't want us to have lawns. So keep fighting for China's right to pollute and bugger off!

Posted by: Ed at March 27, 2008 12:05 AM

any iceshelf berg hulk bit that breaks off has zero impact on sea level ,based on something Archimedes figured out around 2400 years ago. furthermore , if is has pushed out into the water it is only because the interior has a higher load than previously, ( actually proven by satellite measurements) that the interior is thicker than before. so because of the plastic movement of ice and youngs modulus , this movement of ice out into the water is proof that the thickness of ice on the interior is larger. the net effect of ice cycling over water -- nada nada nada.

Posted by: cal2 at March 27, 2008 12:11 AM

For sure rolik ... we are all going to burn to death because of an algore movie and david suzuki. We know!!! Send us your money so we know how bad we are!!!! Get your friends and relatives to send us money ... we'll learn ... just need your money!!!!

If enough of you send money to Kate, I'm sure (can't speak for her) she will charter jets for us so we can go to Bali to learn the evil of our ways ... and convert, and believe, etc., etc. We just want the trip in the winter (to reinforce the believe thing). $3000 spending money per person would be nice. Thanks for help in turning me!!!! Save a polar bear - get me and my family to Bali!!!!

Kate - need 4 tickets ... 1 king size room, 2 rooms with double beds. 3 car rentals (with air) ... if they rent bikes (with a motor) I'd like 2 also. Should I use the IPCC guide for the extra activities to book?

BTW: Does anyone know if eating turtle soup can be classified as studying turtles for income tax purposes?

Posted by: ural at March 27, 2008 12:17 AM

Ed and set you free

I stand corrected. You guys have really set me straight.

Set you free, you truly put me in my place by telling me that Global Warming is "scientifically incorret". I just have to figure out what "incorret" means. No matter - you have certainly shown yourself more intelligent than those 100 Nobel Laureates who identified Global Warming as the greatest threat to humankind.

Ed? I'm happy to take your advice to "get my high horse". Any advice on where I should get it from? Toys R Us, perhaps? No, that would be a hobby horse. Do let me know where I should get this kind of 'high horse'.

You, too, Ed, have shown yourself more intelligent than the 100 Nobel prize winners who identified global warming as the greatest threat to our species. Congratulations! Everybody knows that global warming is nothing more than a vast conspiracy invented by bad boogey-men! :)

They must only give out Nobel prizes to dumb people, huh? All the smart ones are putting up blogs and posting comment about how wrong the Nobel Laureates are. What a topsy-turvy world.

Posted by: rolik at March 27, 2008 1:57 AM

You expect us to trust an organization that gives a Nobel to mass-murderer Arafat?

Jewish Nobel Laureate Getrude Stein supported Hitler, was she correct?

Nobel Laureate Pablo Neruda supported Stalin, was he correct?

Nobel Laureate Jose Saramago supported Castro, was he correct?

Nobel Laureate Jose Ramos-Horta threatened to start a cyber-war against Indonesia for daring to exercise their rights. Is he someone we should be listening to?

Pol Pot, who murdered two million people, got the Nobel. Is he worth paying attention to?

I have severe problems with your '100' elite Idiots.

Posted by: otter at March 27, 2008 5:27 AM

'In 1998, 17,000 scientists, six of whom are Nobel Laureates, signed the Oregon Petition, which declares, in part: “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. ”'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/734749/posts

'Skeptics include70 Nobel laureates) who signed the Heidelberg Appeal . . . and the 17,000 American scientists who signed the Oregon Petition denying that human activity was the cause of global warming.'

http://isil.org/resources/fnn/2007june/global-warming-hoax.html

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Not sure why I am bothering. '100 nobel laureates' is all you are capable of offering, in the face of all the evidence. You are clearly unable to argue the facts.


Posted by: otter at March 27, 2008 5:55 AM

Rolik - ...You, too, Ed, have shown yourself more intelligent than the 100 Nobel prize winners who identified global warming as the greatest threat to our species...

Yes, I understand, us little people must roll over to the commands of those deemed superior. This is the socialist way is it not?

The committee has deemed us too stupid for our own good and thus it will make decisions for us that will benefit all.


Now, please step into this chamber...

Posted by: Frenchie77 at March 27, 2008 6:04 AM

There's training available?

I've just been winging it.

Kate -- please advise when your next flipper-clapping tutorial will be. When/where/cost, etc. Thx.

Posted by: Richard Ball at March 27, 2008 8:16 AM

There's training available?

I've just been winging it.

Kate -- please advise when your next flipper-clapping tutorial will be. When/where/cost, etc. Thx.

Posted by: Richard Ball at March 27, 2008 8:16 AM

This ice shelf broke off the Antarctic Peninsula, which is that appendix of land that juts out from Antarctica towards South America. It isn't even in the Antarctic. But don't tell the MSM. Why spoil a good story with facts.

Posted by: JMD at March 27, 2008 9:38 AM

This ice shelf broke off the Antarctic Peninsula, which is that appendix of land that juts out from Antarctica towards South America. It isn't even in the Antarctic. But don't tell the MSM. Why spoil a good story with facts.

Posted by: JMD at March 27, 2008 9:38 AM

Rolik,
Global warming or climate change (Check mark the name to suit your event/religious doctrine) has been so bad in my neck of the woods this winter (It still feels like winter with spring a week old already BTW) that some are contemplating reenforcing their roofs so they won't collapse by the weight of snow. You know what that means: Cutting down more trees!...Oh the humanity!

Now go "Rol" , "Lik" one and light it...BTW, does smoking dope contribute to GW?
It seems to "freeze" ones brain though?

Posted by: Grind a Grit at March 27, 2008 10:05 AM

What the dumasses in the media don't get and don't care about is that the Ice has to FORM BEFORE it breaks off......
More ICE = More Icebergs

Posted by: OMMAG at March 27, 2008 10:17 AM

Im sure AL GORE GREENPEACE and the jerks from ENVIROMENTAL DEFENSE will blmae this on GLOBAL WARMING i mean their opernunists just like any liberal liars are

Posted by: Spurwing PLover at March 27, 2008 11:18 AM

I am so glad to have been given an individual ability to process facts and adapt those facts to scientific truth.

That particular strength allows me to be independent and avoid being part of the collective and, on this particular example, to succumb to the concept of collective guilt?

Is it just me, or does anybody else get the impression that global warming, er climate change advocates crave some kind of stability and predictability?

Throughout human history, the only constant is change.

In the last century, this abhorrence of and inability to adapt to the shifting sands of time has spawned many unnatural abberations of utopian systems.

And, the global warming political science (even though the globe seems to be going through another cooling period) fits right into this mindset.

Instead of marvelling at the wonder of the changes and taking on the challenges the future may throw at us, this inability to adapt causes great confusion.

Time can never be frozen (or is that warmed?), even though human beings have shown they continue to seek the comfort of certainty ie ‘settled science.'

Science itself will eventually disprove this hysteria.

A million Nobel Laureates will make no difference.

Galileo proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that science can never be frozen in time and that man's natural curiosity for the ultimate truth will be an ongoing pursuit.

Posted by: set you free at March 27, 2008 11:52 AM

If you compare the pictures of the Wilkins ice shelf with goolge earth you will notice that this ice shelf has shattered and refrozen before. The picture of the recent breakage is from March 8th, it is now the 27th of March. They say it is being held by a thread but that thread is 6 km wide. The suggestion that when/if this thread breaks the whole shelf will disintegrate is based on assumption. The google earth picture shows that this is not likely. The breakage will expand the sea ice expanse, unless volcanic activity increases. Antarctic sea ice is expanding at the rate of 100,000 sq. Km per day. Compare that with the 6,000 sq. Km for the entire Wilkins shelf.

Posted by: truthsayer at March 27, 2008 2:45 PM

Poor Rolik:
--Tried to bring some balance to this one sided discussion only to run into a wall of nitwits.
--Within 5 years, they will all have to eat crow so be patient Rolik. Unfortunately you will get the last laugh.

Posted by: Canuckguy at March 27, 2008 3:57 PM

canuckguy:

And if he's wrong, would he publish his address so he can be stoned as a false prophet?

Hang on, it sounds like he's stoned aleady, in his rock-solid belief that science can somehow be settled.

The only science which purports to predict future occurences is science fiction.

Real science measures something which has actually occured, such as: ocean temperatures have remained steady for five years, surface temperatures this winter have been lower following a multi-year trend.

See, those are events which have actually happened, not something which may or may not happen.

Prophecy is NOT science.

Posted by: set you free at March 27, 2008 4:07 PM

Rolik that mindless comment about Nobel prize winners was rebutted weeks ago in this forum. Kindly shut your yap if you don't have anything new to offer. You've already demonstrated you have no comprehension of the science behind the theory, hence your endless appeals to authority.

Posted by: cgh at March 27, 2008 4:27 PM

SetYouFree;
--It is sad that those who label themselves as 'rightwinger' are in lockstep over this global warming issue, they blindly ignore all the arguments that something is seriously amiss, dismissing the concerns as a 'leftwing' plot.
--Conversely, I find too many that label themselves as 'liberal' and/or 'leftwinger' seem to be blind to the dangers about the rise of Muslim fundamentalism while the 'rightwingers' are alert(correctly as far as I am concerned) to the danger of coddling them.
--The same goes for other big issues of the day, (socialized medicine, the HRC's, gun control, crime), never mind the facts, it is all about belief.
--Neither label would apply to me as I form my views from what I perceive as the facts. As a result, sometimes I am a 'leftard' and sometimes I am a 'neo-con knuckledragging neo-con nitwit'

Posted by: Canuckguy at March 27, 2008 4:34 PM

SetYouFree;
--It is sad that those who label themselves as 'rightwinger' are in lockstep over this global warming issue, they blindly ignore all the arguments that something is seriously amiss, dismissing the concerns as a 'leftwing' plot.
--Conversely, I find too many that label themselves as 'liberal' and/or 'leftwinger' seem to be blind to the dangers about the rise of Muslim fundamentalism while the 'rightwingers' are alert(correctly as far as I am concerned) to the danger of coddling them.
--The same goes for other big issues of the day, (socialized medicine, the HRC's, gun control, crime), never mind the facts, it is all about belief.
--Neither label would apply to me as I form my views from what I perceive as the facts. As a result, sometimes I am a 'leftard' and sometimes I am a 'knuckledragging neo-con nitwit'

Posted by: Canuckguy at March 27, 2008 4:35 PM

canuckguy~ don't you get enough shellacking by Canadian Sentinel?

btw, how do YOU explain that, while CO2 has risen 5.5% since 1998, the world's temperature average has fallen since 1998?

If 'the science is settled,' as algore claims, and 'hurricanes will become more frequent and more powerful,' how is it that hurricanes dropped 66% in 2006 from 2005 numbers, and were down 50% in 2007?

Posted by: otter at March 27, 2008 4:53 PM

Yes Frenchie77

All those who have been "deemed superior" like scientists and physicists and Nobel Laureates have no business instructing you on global warming.

Why, there's so many here who are more qualified to comment - like Kate and otter and cbg and set you free and Ed...and you, of course!

I'll take their word - and yours - over a bunch of dumb ol' Nobel prize winners any day!

Posted by: rolik at March 27, 2008 5:25 PM

Hey grind a grit


While you're reinforcing your roof 'cause of the heavy snow you might want to think about the fact that global warming causes more precipitation - more water to be evaporated as a result has something to do with it. Rudimentary science.

I'll make it simple. More water=more precipitation. Snow is a form of precipitation. Ergo, the fact you referenced in order to 'prove' there's no global warming actually is a result of global warming.

See how easy it is? And I'm not even a Nobel Laureate!

Posted by: rolik at March 27, 2008 5:30 PM

Hey canuckguy -

Yes, it's discouraging isn't it? But what do we expect from the adherents of a discredited ideology?

Scroll through this site and you'll see they fight for their right to denigrate minorities when they're not denying global warming ('cause the oil companies told'em to!).

They gather here to bellow at a world that's passed them by. It's a badge of honour to be maligned by these guys.

Posted by: rolik at March 27, 2008 5:35 PM

"I'll make it simple. More water=more precipitation.Snow is a form of precipitation. Ergo, the fact you referenced in order to 'prove' there's no global warming actually is a result of global warming. "
I guess that means we can look forward to a tropical climate with no threats of of a desert climate. Sounds good to me.
Your logic is as bad as one I read yesterday where the warming cultist was whining about all the extra weeds that were growing because of the extra CO2, of course everything grows better as in vegetables, trees, grains, fruits, with extra CO2 as it is plant food and they like it.

Posted by: alan at March 27, 2008 5:44 PM

In that case, rolik, explain how droughts and wildfires are often more severe during cooler periods in the last few thousand years.

And I see you ignored the 70+ Nobel Laureates I mentioned, who disagree with your hundred. I am betting quite a few other NLs do, also.

I'll be curious to see if your handle can even be found on the internet five years from now, when you and cancukguy are proved absolutely wrong.

And I ask you the same question as canukguy: CO2 has gone up 5.5% since 1998. The world's average temperature has been falling since 1998.

Your explanation?

Posted by: otter at March 27, 2008 6:06 PM

I wonder if 3,000 deep ocean buoys, the Aqua satellite and astrophysics would be as smart as 100 NLs? For good measure you could also toss in Richard Branson and Tony Blair who believe the world is "on fire'. crackle crackle

Posted by: Free Thinker at March 27, 2008 6:41 PM

If rolik, canuckguy, etal would just send me $10 each (carbon credits) I will hold my breath for 1 minute for each donation (promise!!) to reduce your carbon footprint. Sorry, but with such an uncertain future I have a "cash only" policy.

Posted by: kelly at March 27, 2008 8:22 PM

Otter:
--I will not comment on your assertion "CO2 has gone up 5.5% since 1998. The world's average temperature has been falling since 1998." other than to say your figures are suspect. I seem to recall that the 1998 figure was a temperature spike and you nitwits are falsely using it as a base.

BTW, I thought Sentinel was one of a kind but I see that this site is infested with similiar like thinking creatures

Posted by: Canuckguy at March 27, 2008 8:59 PM

'a temperature spike'!!!!!?!!!?!?!?!

algoreacle doesn't seem to think so, does he, canuckmoron? Wasn't thw whole IDEA of agw that things were getting hotter, and 1998 was proof?

You are a Jackass.

Temperature 'spike.' *vomit*

Posted by: otter at March 27, 2008 9:09 PM

A testy bunch here. Otter, go crack open a clam.
I have read spurious claims made by you clowns before. However I don't have the exact rebuttal I need for you on hand. I don't spend the time you ignorant nitwits do as you dreg up dubious counterclaims on what the data means. However I will keep my eyes open to come up with a better response to your claim. I am not going to search it out but I expect to come across it some day. Just don't have the time nor inclination to do so. You may jump on that as admitting defeat to your superior claims. BWAH WAH WAH WAH. Nah, you and your ilk are grasping at straws. And you have your common sense deflection shields up to prevent understanding. You readily believe science whores who parrot thge big Corp. lines.

Posted by: Canuckguy at March 27, 2008 9:55 PM

most obnoxious greentard neighbour.
Posted by: Warwick at March 26, 2008 3:49 PM

Very funny stuff:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/

"An interesting fact about white people is that they firmly believe that all of the world’s problems can be solved through “awareness.” Meaning the process of making other people aware of problems, and then magically someone else like the government will fix it."

"This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges. Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware. In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem. End of story."

I recommend this site for a few laughs but you're racist against white people if you get a chuckle out of it.

Posted by: PiperPaul at March 28, 2008 1:43 AM

You can't answer, canuckguy, because even the head of the IPCC admits there is something wrong with the agw science. Nor will you hear any answers from goreacle on the subject.

'It doesn’t take an advanced science degree to see there has been virtually no trend in the temperature data in the last decade or this century even as CO2 has increased 5.5%. Even the IPCC head Dr. Rajendra Pachauri has noticed the disconnect and acknowledged we have to look and see if natural forces were somehow countering greenhouse warming.'

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/correlation_last_decade_and_this_century_between_co2_and_global_temperature/

Grasp that.

Posted by: otter at March 28, 2008 7:47 AM

Otter, time will tell, as I said before, I figure within 5 years, the truth about global warming will be obvious. Even to you.

Posted by: Canuckguy at March 28, 2008 9:52 AM

The cycle known as climate change has been known to me for a very long time. It has been working this way for about a Billion years.

When this first came out that WE were supposedly responsible for it, back in the 80s, I believed it. Not that you would believe me.... fortunately I began to READ, listen and watch- rather than fall at the feet of the socialist elite who can't even answer the questions you refuse to consider.

Enough of that. I have quite a busy weekend ahead of me.

Posted by: otter at March 28, 2008 10:29 AM
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