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September 7, 2007

Brothers In Arms

The left's alignment...

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with Islamic fascism...

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...comes full circle.

He goes on to call Noam Chomsky "among one of the most capable of those from your own side," and mentions global warming and "the Kyoto accord."
Posted by Kate at September 7, 2007 6:04 PM
Comments

Jack Layton, call your office - Deadladen stole your talking points!

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at September 7, 2007 6:24 PM

From what I gather, Bin Laden is admitting that we're winning. As to whether the left will understand this is unlikely.

Very much an appeal to the moonbats, although his idea to embrace Islam in order to pay 2.5% tax certainly wouldn't appeal to the left.

The very dead Bin Laden needs a new press agent.

Posted by: irwin daisy at September 7, 2007 6:28 PM

Guess he's alive, or that's one hell of a double. If I were a Democrat I'd be cringing.

Dion, Layton and Duceppe are on Osama's team. Treasonous bastards.

Not only does the caterwauling from Democrats, Liberals, NDP and Bloc play right into Osama's hands, but their enthusiasm for crushing the capitalistic system that built our great countries matches Osama's thinking.

Its only my opinion, but they should be jailed for desertion.

Pricks, just like the Albatross and his friends.

Posted by: geothermal at September 7, 2007 6:28 PM

yes, Allah Akbar!
Let us all convert and start paying only 2% in taxes. There will be peace as well! Killer jihadis are now against global warming too! They have really broaded their platform.

Posted by: matt at September 7, 2007 6:28 PM

Curiously, this reminds me of Lord Ha Ha during WWII.

Convert to the National Socialist cause or die!

As a pure propaganda piece, I think Osama has studied his history, if this tape turns out to be validated.

Cheers

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at September 7, 2007 6:33 PM

That's another bogus tape from the dead Osama Bin Late. A very black beard obliterates lips so it's and animated old photo to lip sinc using an impersonator. We are not the only ones who produce mimics!
File under how stupid do they really think the Western world is? Maybe we should hold the answer!

Posted by: Liz J at September 7, 2007 6:54 PM

He also goes on to talk about the fact that there are no taxes in his version of Islam. Does this mean he's also aligned with the right? After all, if Osama says so, then it must be true!

Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 6:54 PM

The liberals will not feel any shame or any
distress with this speaking by OBL.

They will somehow spin it to be bad news for
the surge, the war and HOW they have tried to
please OBL. Joke, but true?

I feel nothing but disgust for the liberals who
are making political moves by being against
the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and here at home.

Now that OBL has gone political we should
be aware he is not a stupid terrorists,
anyone who thought 9/11 up knew what they
were doing and were nearly successful. If the
plane going to Washington had gotten there
and destroyed their target, be it the White
House or Congress, maybe people would see they
can destroy us so easily it is pathetic and
they will if we do not grow up and smarten up.
Will the liberals win? If the people of the world
continue to deny the facts, they will and
then OBL can come to supper.

Can we find some way other than complain and
watch the libs win, here in Canada?


Posted by: carole at September 7, 2007 6:55 PM

Frankly - I agree with Mark Steyn. Bin Laden is dead - long, long dead. Whoever or whatever has replaced him in these video games is not Bin Laden.

Moreover, the verbiage is - heck, it's typical standard western leftist verbiage. It doesn't have the 'ring' of a non-westerner. And it certainly doesn't have the 'ring' of the tribal Islamic mind.

Instead, the talk is only about the 'key words' of the western left: - such as the election of Bush, the neo-conservatives, the war in Iraq, anti-democracy, anti big business and big corporations, global warming, taxes etc etc.

It's 100% western leftism. That's its focus; western leftism and the left's standard areas of hostility. There's nothing, absolutely nothing Islamic about it.

You know what? I suspect it's written by a western leftist in the pay of Al Qeda or Al Jazeera. And that's not Bin Laden; he's dead.

Posted by: ET at September 7, 2007 6:56 PM

This is scary, as the muslems believe you have to give your enemies a chance to convert before you kill them. Apparently they did this convert to islam thing before 9/11.

Posted by: alan at September 7, 2007 6:56 PM

Queer eye for the Jihadi guy or at the very least Grecian Formula has done wonders for Deadladan - he's getting younger with each tape.

I bet he's torn between claiming responsibility for 911 and joining the Troofers.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at September 7, 2007 7:06 PM

by the way - has anyone noticed that the pictures of Bin Laden in 2004, for example, show his hair and beard as all grey. Heh - now he's got dark, dark hair.

Either he dyes his hair and beard (yeah, sure..)

Or - the picture is a fake, old one..with lip sync

Or - he's a younger double and the twits didn't think to dye the hair grey.

Remember, Saddam Hussein used MANY doubles.

Or..

But he's still dead. And that speech was written by a western leftist. Not a Middle East person, not a Muslim. Not an Islamic fascist. A western leftist.

Posted by: ET at September 7, 2007 7:06 PM

Yeah, but now they're campaigning.

Elect the Sharia party and pay 2.5% tax! And, women can't vote! And, and, men can have 4 wives (but if your name is Mohammad, you can have 20)! And women must obey, because they are worth half of a man! And death to gays! And, divorce is easy, just say 'I divorce you' three times! Cool eh?

Yet, the fact that the right are against them and the left are for them says everything. Moonbats are one and the same as Islamic imbiciles.

Posted by: irwin daisy at September 7, 2007 7:12 PM

This speech is so strange. It is like he is going for a more left of centre message to gain votes in the next election.Kyoto,greedy corporations,bad america,Chomsky,all what the lefties thrive on. IF this is the genuine thing we all better hope the libs never get back into power or else he will be forgiven and made Canada's roving ambassador at large. M.Matt is right in the first post,he stole Taliban jacks talking points,or maybe jack is over there writing for him.

Posted by: wallyj at September 7, 2007 7:19 PM

I read the transcript. A truly excrutiating experience. The essence of it all is Bush and western democracy is to blame. Capitalism is bad. Arab countries poor due to not following i-slam. Blah, blah, blah.

Elect the democrats. (OK he didn't explicitly say that, but rather limply complained thye the democrats hadn't stopped the war).

STOP THE WAR! This is the major message. He want's the war to stop, just like all losers.

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at September 7, 2007 7:28 PM

Wallyj, I posted before reading any other posts.

I had the same sentiment. He sounded liker a democratic presidential candidate :-)

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at September 7, 2007 7:28 PM

ET You may be right. It lacked the venom and islamic millenarianism of the original B.L.

He maybe has foreign PR advisers; he personally wouldn't compromise himself withou a reason. As previoyusly said, it's just the old leftist claptrap.

If he really is persobnally responsible for this, then he is making a deliberately play for the leftists' support.

Posted by: Wimpy Canadian at September 7, 2007 7:40 PM

Your heroic defense of the secular welfare state is duly noted, Irwin Daisy. F***ing crypto commie.

I see Blogging "Tories" campaigning for a Liberal who actively encourages Indian terrorism in Ontario and who announced $14.7 billion in new spending today. And I see Osama denouncing the welfare state, 35 year mortgages, the mainstream media, and Hollywood. Hmmmm.

"he is making a deliberately play for the leftists' support."

Don't get faked out by the Chomsky reference, WC. OBL is making a transparent attempt to suck up to the REAL right, read the transcript, see my comments above, and I'm sure you'll agree.

Posted by: Andrew at September 7, 2007 7:59 PM

ET: "Frankly - I agree with Mark Steyn."

"Moreover, the verbiage is - heck, it's typical standard western leftist verbiage."

"Instead, the talk is only about the 'key words' of the western left: - such as the election of Bush..."

For the love of all that is holy and pure, please learn how to use em dashes properly.

Posted by: The Chicago Manual of Style at September 7, 2007 8:05 PM

Oh. My. Gawd.

Osama Yo Mamma is giving out Democrat party talking points?

3...2...1... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Man, that is SWEET! Who wants to join me in telling Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Taliban Jack:

We feeeeel your pain. ~:D

Posted by: The Phantom at September 7, 2007 8:13 PM

I agree with the posters who point out that it was as if written by our glorious North American left. What is truly sad, is that it will be lost on them all that they are as repulsive as Bin Laden himself.

I'd like to see that Pooftah Dion and Layton side by side against a wall, stoned by the very religious wackoffs they are so determined to assist. This confilct a test of our national will, and they and the left they lead are determined to help us get a failing grade. It would be better for the majority of Canadians if Dion and Layton took a few rocks the head and spent the remainder of their lives in a Brain injury centre. Actually, when I think of it they wouldn't even have to get knocked on the head to qualify for long term disability.

Where's the Albatross? Is he feeling a little sheepish today? Somehow, I doubt it.

Posted by: Geothermal at September 7, 2007 8:17 PM

chicago style - keep calm. This is a blog, not a journal article or book. I'll continue to use the dash and dish as I please.

Now - what is going on? The video shows a Bin Laden with a dark thick beard - more similar to him PRIOR to 2001.

Yet, pictures of him in 2001, 2003 and 2004 show him clearly, with GREY hair and beard and the beard has a white stripe below the lip - and thinner beard.

So- does he dye his beard? heh.

Or - is the person a double?
Or - is it an old picture with a lip sync and they forgot that his 2003, 2004 pictures show him with his hair/beard almost completely grey?

Check out the speeches. The 2001 is filled with flowery metaphors and references to allah.
The 2003 - less.
The 2004 - less
The 2007 - pure western rhetoric of the left.

I conclude that Bin Laden died in 2002-03.

Posted by: ET at September 7, 2007 8:20 PM

It's a rethuglican plot arraigned by the shrub and his CIA lackeys in order to make the progressive left look bad. Aligning OBL with Democratic Party positions this close to an election is designed specifically to discredit the DNC in the eyes of the American people! As an added bonus, they get to totally eliminate Hillary because of Bill's inaction in removing OBL when he had the chance. This little ploy has KKKaral Rove all over it. That bastard should be in jail but the shrub sacrificed Libby instead! Effing Rethuglicans!!!

/soon-to-be moonbat talking points

Unfortunately, it doesn't look too good for the DNC and Hillary in particular that OBL is repeating their talking points.

Posted by: Richard Evans at September 7, 2007 8:22 PM

Liz J: That's another bogus tape from the dead Osama Bin Late. A very black beard obliterates lips so it's and animated old photo to lip sinc using an impersonator. We are not the only ones who produce mimics!

ET: But he's still dead. And that speech was written by a western leftist. Not a Middle East person, not a Muslim. Not an Islamic fascist. A western leftist.

According to an unnamed senior intelligence source quoted by ABC News and other news outlets, "initial technical analysis suggests the voice on the tape is indeed Osama Bin Laden." True, it's an anonymous source, and it's the incompetent MSM, and the combined technical analysis capabilities of the DHS, CIA, DoD, etc. isn't as sophisticated as, say, comparing the colour of his facial hair or deeming the transcript as not quite having "the 'ring' of a non-westerner," so take it for what it's worth.


Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 8:26 PM

But he's still dead. And that speech was written by a western leftist.

ET, you may be on to something
which is scarier than hell. The new handlers of his corpse have endorsed the Dems/Libs in NA and the EU in essence. They certainly are pandering for those voters.

Recycling OBL as an envirno and Chomsky guy, pandering to lefty campuses, smacks of the usual lefty immoral debauchery, no surprise as most of us were on target that this was a two front war.

You have to wonder who is receiving campaign checks from whom?

We can not defeat the terrorist until we defeat their western sympathizers first.

Posted by: penny at September 7, 2007 8:30 PM

What a frickin' joke.

I suppose Osama "Weekend at Bernie's" Bin Latte also asked us to recycle, avoid styrofoam and support breast cancer research.

Posted by: Hannibal at September 7, 2007 8:33 PM

ET: So- does he dye his beard? heh.

From the only unbiased news source in the world: "One difference in bin Laden's appearance was immediately obvious in the video. Bin Laden's beard appears to have been dyed, a popular practice among Arab leaders, said Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, a Washington-based group that monitors terror messages."

Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 8:35 PM

The right say its proof that the Dems and the left are on the side of OBL. The left says its some bizarre reverse psychology thingy to turn people against the Dems and the left and is really supporting the right.

Could it be possible, I'm just throwing it out there, that Osama (or this incredibly lame simulation) is just looking to further wedge the divide between left/right in the West to get them bickering amongst themselves? I dunno, I intend to agree that it's more than just coincidence that he's blurting more basic Western leftist talking points, it just all seems very weird, though.

Posted by: Alex at September 7, 2007 8:36 PM

Man, I can hardly wait to hear Limbaugh's parody of this. They are probably in the studio right now making up a new song.

Bwahaha!!!!! What a giggle!

Posted by: The Phantom at September 7, 2007 8:37 PM

My favorite part is that he's telling "911 truthers" they are wrong about Bush.

:)

Gives me warm fuzzies whoever he is. That would be the Islamic tribal bit if you ask me.

Posted by: DrWright at September 7, 2007 8:38 PM

"This is scary, as the muslems believe you have to give your enemies a chance to convert before you kill them. Apparently they did this convert to islam thing before 9/11."

Thanks for the shivers, alan. That makes too much freaking sense.

Who was it that said, "You have to be lucky 1000 times, we only have to be lucky once."? I think it was the IRA to the Brits, but it holds here, too. And there was all that weird stuff going on, constant to-and-froing, U.S. plates, etc., in the house of the letter-bomber in Toronto (the one the neighbours called "the bunker"). Here's hoping they were all undercover CSIS agents.

By the way, about the black beard . . . the Taliban have been photographed with make-up and mascara (Instapundit linked a few days ago to a reporter's story on the weirdness of tons of ultra-puritanical Islamists in drag), so a little hair-colour is not going to deprive Numero Uno of his virgins. I'm still inclined with many of you to think he's dead,though. Who's keeping his kidneys going? They need a awful-hard-to-get-working-in-a-cave dialysis machine, big bad Western invention that it is. Did you know he wouldn't even let one of his wives use a decadent Western-invented bottle for her baby? She had to use a spoon, and the baby was going hungry because it wasn't working. This was all related in that really interesting book by one of Osama's sisters-in-law, called "Inside the Kingdom." Baby goes hungry, but he still gets his kidneys cleaned. Or did. Hope it's "did".

Posted by: ann at September 7, 2007 8:40 PM

"My favorite part is that he's telling "911 truthers" they are wrong about Bush."

Great point, DrWright. Every time this man/dubbed voice/Al Qaeda chap talks about Allah's vegeance on 9/11, those Truthers have to think of a whole new zany web to explain why he's taking credit for Bush's gig. ("They're in it together! That's right! Together! Bush and bin Laden!!)

Or did Michael Moore already make that clear?

Posted by: ann at September 7, 2007 8:48 PM

Dead? If he keeps going on this vein I hope the sumbich lives forever. This is the best comedy I've seen in WEEKS!

Posted by: The Phantom at September 7, 2007 8:49 PM

Looks like UBL has been encased in burlap here. Yea...that's the ticket

Posted by: Del-Islam-dogs at September 7, 2007 8:57 PM

Noam Chomsky, the Kyoto accord?

A living breathing Bin Liner would more likely pronounce his ruminations on Bikini waxing.

Posted by: Cal at September 7, 2007 9:06 PM

Penny My contention for a long long time. If and when the shooting ever starts, about turn, fire, protect your back first.

Posted by: Western Canadian at September 7, 2007 9:13 PM

a- don't be silly. Dying one's hair and beard may be a popular practice among Arab leaders of the Saudi Arabia, the Iraq, the etc.. but Bin Laden is NOT an Arab leader - and he despises those people.

He's a purist, someone who is focused on the essentialist, fundamentalist Islam - and that set doesn't dye their hair.

That's not Bin Laden. I agree with Mark Steyn - Bin Laden is long, long dead.

And that speech was a western leftist SECULAR perspective, not the mindset of a fundamentalist Islamist.

Posted by: ET at September 7, 2007 9:15 PM

ET: He's a purist, someone who is focused on the essentialist, fundamentalist Islam - and that set doesn't dye their hair.

There's a job waiting for you at the DHS.

Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 9:22 PM

a- you don't win an argument by ad hominem. You win an argument by providing facts, data and logic. So far - you haven't provided any. Try again.

Facts: Bin Laden has never dyed his hair. He's not and never has been, part of the Rich and Wealthy Power-Types of the ME - eg, Saddam Hussein.
And, as he aged, his beard became long, thin and stringy.
That video of today - is not an image of Bin Laden.

Facts: his rhetoric is typical faith-based Islamist - a flowery rhetoric, filled with references to fate, to the will of Allah, to submission etc.
This speech of today was secular. It was written by a westerner - not a ME fundamentalist Islamist.
By the way - even the CNN suggested the speech was written by someone, a Westerner..an American..who became an Islamist.

Facts: Bin Laden hasn't been seen in anything other than a chest-up video for about five years. With his health problems - never mind the bombings - he can't have survived. He's dead.

Enjoy your dreams of his living forever.

Posted by: ET at September 7, 2007 9:35 PM

So now the video is a fake for Democratic talking points.

Perhaps we should rename the video as a promo for

you guessed it:


"OBAMA BIN LADEN"

The punditry will have a field day!!

Lord Haw Haw has struck again, from beyond the grave.


Cheers

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at September 7, 2007 9:43 PM

Bin Laden needs an image makeover. First, drop the Osama.

Then, instead of Bin, he should go with something like Ben, or, even better, Bob.

Bob Laden -- there's a big improvement right there.

Instead of Laden, Loudon would be better.

Bob Loudon -- that would go a long way to rehabilitiate his image.

Posted by: Richard Ball at September 7, 2007 10:09 PM

The Left and the jihadists are natural enemies. Here's George Galloway interviewed by the Iraq News Network interview with British Laborite, progressive, Saddam ally and hero of such letwing websites as Counterpunch.org and CommonDreams.org.
 
Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha: "You often call for uniting Muslim and progressive forces globally. How far is it possible under current situation?"
 
Galloway: "Not only do I think it's possible but I think it is vitally necessary and I think it is happening already. It is possible because the progressi ve movement around the world and the Muslims have the same enemies. Their enemies are the Zionist occupation, American occupation, British occupation of poor countries mainly Muslim countries. They have the same interest in opposing savage capitalist globalization which is intent upon homogenizing the entire world turning us basically into factory chickens which can be forced fed the American diet of everything from food to Coca-Cola to movies and TV culture. And whose only role in life is to consume the things produced endlessly by the multinational corporations. And the progressive organizations & movements agree on that with the Muslims."  
 
Otherwise we believe that we should all have to speak as Texan and eat McDonalds and be ruled by Bush and Blair. So on the very grave big issues of the day-issues of war, occupation, justice, opposition to globalization-the Muslims and the progressives are on the same side.
 

Posted by: Mystery Meat at September 7, 2007 10:12 PM

ET: Facts: Bin Laden has never dyed his hair...And, as he aged, his beard became long, thin and stringy.

Another possible explanation, this time from Rupert Murdoch's UK paper of record: "American security experts suggested last night that bin Laden’s beard in the latest images, thicker and lacking the grey hairs of three years ago, might be false. This could indicate that the world’s most wanted man had gone clean-shaven to conceal his identity, terror experts speculated."

Granted, it's not as compelling an argument as, "Osama would never dye his beard because I, like, know him, and he totally isn't like that," but what do you expect from The Times?

By the way - even the CNN suggested the speech was written by someone, a Westerner..an American..who became an Islamist.

Whether or not Adam Gadahn wrote some or all of the speech, which is what some gov't officials have speculated, says nothing about whether the speaker in the video is or is not bin Laden.

With his health problems - never mind the bombings - he can't have survived. He's dead.

Not according to, among other sources, the CIA: "The new video of Osama bin Laden released on Friday appears to be genuine, top CIA officials say. Israel Radio reported that Bin Laden's appearance in the video was his first in three years."

Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 10:18 PM

This is going to turn out to be a bad body double, but in the greater scheme of things it probably doesn't matter. I think the real guy is dead, sometime in 2005, but the idea of him is now firmly entrenched in the mind of the anti-American terrorist community. Consequently the idea and the training camps dotted around Afghanistan and Pakistan are all that is required ... they are self sustaining now.

Posted by: Sheila at September 7, 2007 10:20 PM

ET: Facts: Bin Laden has never dyed his hair...And, as he aged, his beard became long, thin and stringy.

Another possible explanation, this time from Rupert Murdoch's UK paper of record: "American security experts suggested last night that bin Laden’s beard in the latest images, thicker and lacking the grey hairs of three years ago, might be false. This could indicate that the world’s most wanted man had gone clean-shaven to conceal his identity, terror experts speculated."

Granted, it's not as compelling an argument as, "Osama would never dye his beard because I, like, know him, and he totally isn't like that," but what do you expect from The Times?

By the way - even the CNN suggested the speech was written by someone, a Westerner..an American..who became an Islamist.

Whether or not Adam Gadahn wrote some or all of the speech, which is what some gov't officials have speculated, says nothing about whether the speaker in the video is or is not bin Laden.

With his health problems - never mind the bombings - he can't have survived. He's dead.

Not according to, among other sources, the CIA (as reported by the Jerusalem Post): "The new video of Osama bin Laden released on Friday appears to be genuine, top CIA officials say. Israel Radio reported that Bin Laden's appearance in the video was his first in three years."

Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 10:20 PM

Bin Laden is right about one thing only ... our taxes are insane.

Could this have been written by a leftie ... they love high taxes. So what gives here?

I am confused. Could that be how they want me?

Confused or not, I hate them, fear them and want Bush or whomever becomes our next president to kill more or them and faster please.

Posted by: John West at September 7, 2007 10:31 PM

Oh come on guys/gals. Has it taken this long for you to figure out that it is really Mikey-he'll-belive-any-shit-Moore posing as OBL?? That's why there is no shots below the chest! Would give the game away!

Posted by: Justthinkin at September 7, 2007 10:43 PM

For all the people who believe bin Laden is alive, where do you think he's hiding?

Posted by: Dan at September 7, 2007 10:47 PM

For all the people who believe bin Laden is alive, where do you think he's hiding?

Posted by: Dan at September 7, 2007 10:47 PM

Before ever watching the video I determined it was a fake by listening to all the pre-release hype it was receiving. Reminded me of a Hollywood block buster.

Having seen the silly thing how anyone can believe it is genuine is beyond me. Without debating the appearance of a much younger looking bin Laden the subject matter in this video is not even on bin Laden's radar screen. A man doesn't live the dedicated life of a religious zealot only to become a lickspittle of the vacuous left.

The only question I have is, where is the green hat guy and the old lady with the magic bullets that keep hitting her house?

Bin Laden died during a bombing raid on Tora Bora.

Posted by: Joe at September 7, 2007 10:47 PM

The cross pollination between Islamic Fascism and Leninism is not new. A recently published article on Al Qaeda by Frederick Kagan in The Weekly Standard covers this subject and can be found here. Kagan notes that the incorporation of Leninist thought into Islamic Fascism goes back to the 50's and 60's with Sayyid Qutb.

Kagan emphasizes that Al Qaeda is an Islamic Fascist organization that uses the rhetoric and methods of Leninism, not the other way around.

Bin Laden is playing to his Islamic Fascist base and to the western atheist left whom he views as (temporarily) useful.

Posted by: Bart F. at September 7, 2007 11:05 PM

The Left and the jihadists are natural enemies

Hardly. Galloway is a lefty with ties to terrorism. He's been nailed on that. Whoever has copyright to OBL's corpse has hit all the left's talking-points. Even if this is a prank by college students, and that would be hilarious, they captured the direction of the left/terrorist axis.

Even if this is some third rate recruited converted jihadi twit as spokesman they know which audience to is more receptive.

Polls among rabid anti-American Europeans and the campus left probably will shown a rise in his approval ratings.

A - I wouldn't get hung up in his appearance or voice in the day and age of digital alterations. We go through this drill by the MSM everytime he surfaces with no factual conclusion.


Posted by: penny at September 7, 2007 11:11 PM

Hasn't anyone else noticed the uncanny resemblance of "Osama" to a bearded and spectacled former Tory, now posing as an expert on income trusts, on a whirlwind tour of the West?
And he talks about low taxes too ... ;-)

Posted by: AnnieNoMouse at September 7, 2007 11:17 PM

THAT'S NOT BIN LADEN.
(1) His nose is too fat and long. (2) His shoulders are narrow and sloped. In previous videos Bin Laden's were square and wide. (3) His voice is stilted and emotionless, and he sticks closely to a script. In the past, Bin Laden was animated and spontaneous, with very little script. (3) He shows almost no hand gestures, almost none at all, whereas previous videos show Bin Laden gesturing effusively, and using his hand gestures as a nunaced contribution to the message. (4) This person shows no upper body movement, whereas previous videos of Bin Laden show him moving constantly, rocking, swaying, almost jumping up to make a point. (5) The voice is wrong. It is slow, sonorous, uninflected, there is nothing intellectually nimble about it. Bin Laden was quick, charismatic, and his speech constantly changed in volume and pitch as he drove home his many nuanced points. (6) This speaker is clearly not very intelligent, he lacks the smooth and nuanced articulatory apparatus of an intelligent person, whereas Bin Laden was clearly extremely intelligent.

Honestly, if you compare this sonorous “Speech from the Throne” to the last verified video taken of Bin Laden in October, 2001, it is not the same person.

I've just put together a quick comparison between Osama in Oct 2001, and this one, Sept 2007.

http://www.box.net/shared/7dnvimtb5z

On there I've put 2 pics side by side of OBL. The file is called OBL pics.ppt

I tell you it's not the same guy. Look for yourself. The shoulders are obviously different. There is absolutely nothing charismatic about this speaker. OBL was riveting, this guy is fabulously boring.

OBL is dead.

Pro Patria

Posted by: DemocracyRules at September 7, 2007 11:17 PM

Quite obviously a conservative, doing his gosh-darned-doodley-best to pose as a leftist sympathizer.

ET, I beg you, please listen to The Chicago Manual of Style.

By the way, is Fidel also dead?

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 7, 2007 11:42 PM

The Ottawa citizen has the full transcript online, not an 'extract' as many of the news organizations ashamed of his naked appeal to the left have run.

I've clipped a few of the more wacky passages over at my blog.

Posted by: Bruce Gottfred at September 7, 2007 11:49 PM

Penny: A - I wouldn't get hung up in his appearance or voice in the day and age of digital alterations. We go through this drill by the MSM everytime he surfaces with no factual conclusion.

This isn't the MSM talking. This is senior US intelligence officials talking, as reported by the MSM. Huge difference. I'm inclined to think that the intelligence community has enough technological tools at their disposal to assess whether digital alterations or whatnot were made. So far, no suggestions in that direction--quite the opposite, in fact.

Posted by: A at September 7, 2007 11:51 PM

That's a member of the QPP, dressed in the shroud of Turin. (The rock he is carrying, is off-camera.)

Posted by: sheik yerbootie at September 8, 2007 12:10 AM

"They need a awful-hard-to-get-working-in-a-cave dialysis machine, big bad Western invention that it is."

I'm sure if he's alive he got a kidney in Pakistan. Did so myself in December/06. Pakistan is a corrupt, nation whose national pastime is stealing and corruption. I've no doubt that if Bin Laden survived Tora Bora, he would have contacted a hospital like I was in, that was run by a Pashtun, and orgnized a transplant in a cave. The operating theatre I was in in Lahore was just about as clean as my workshop, right up to the grime/dust and filth rubbed into the plywood floor in their operating Theatre. A cave would have been an improvement in cleanliness compared to the room I was operated on. Under diesal power too.

I survived my transplant in Pakistan because they filled me absolutely full of antibiotics hourly. Bin Laden would have survived a transplant in an open field for the same reason.

Posted by: geothermal at September 8, 2007 12:14 AM

It is frowned upon in islam for anyone to dye their hair or beard. The exception is while engaged in jihad. It stems from an early time in islam when all the gray haired warriors dyed their beards and hair black to fool the enemy that all the muslims were young and vigorous and that the muslim veteran contigents had yet to appear and their whereabouts were thus unknown.

Mo said "all war is deception".

Posted by: BL@KBIRD at September 8, 2007 12:28 AM

If he isn't dead , which I doubt , I would like to see that bastard hang from the end of a rope before the end of Bush's tenure.

Posted by: Timothy Coderre at September 8, 2007 1:10 AM

And so if it comes to pass that the left are successful, who amongst them
will tie the bell around the cat’s neck?

Shoot me last, I wanna watch.

Posted by: Bernie at September 8, 2007 1:10 AM

The part where he asks Americans to "lend me your ears" is a line right out of Julius Caesar, by Shakespeare. He thinks of himself as some sort of
Mark Antony, whose friend, Caesar, was betrayed by Brutus.

Comparing this speech with a 2006 speech delivered by Adam Gadahn, where he invited Americans to embrace Islam, the tone and style are eerily similar.

Gadahn could very well be the speech writer.

Posted by: Harry at September 8, 2007 1:43 AM

As a sometimes Star Trek geek I'm torn between "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Patterns of Force" for leader puppetry.

Posted by: Paul at September 8, 2007 3:20 AM

Paul,

He's more like Apophis from Stargate: SG-1, what with all his gloomy threats to submit or die. And he'll end up the same way too -- burning up in the atmosphere while replicators crawl all over his personal shield.

Posted by: surly at September 8, 2007 4:53 AM

*****This is senior US intelligence officials talking*****

thee guys that screwed up on eyerack????

Posted by: GYM at September 8, 2007 5:08 AM

If I were a fanatical religious zealot who was leading a bunch of other fanatical religious zealots and I was dying, what would I do? Curl up in a corner and cry?

Well, maybe, I'm a big softie...but I would also do whatever I could to prepare the "troops" for my absence. That would include filming/taping propaganda that could be used later. I'd cover a variety of topics in my speeches and include a bunch of references to things that may happen in hopes that it will make people think I'm still alive. Then, my handlers will edit / adjust the tapes to make them make sense and seem current.

And A, try thinking about things from this perspective...if you're a CIA official during a war, are you going to blab out all of the intelligence you have gathered over the international media for all to hear? Well, being a leftie, I wouldn't put it past YOU, but any sane and wise person is going to put out disinformation so as to not tip his hand to their enemies. It could very well be that those quotes from the CIA et al are just bits of disinformation...they don't want Al-Qaeda to know they know that Bin Laden is dead, for whatever purpose.

Or not. This is all just speculation on everyones part.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 8, 2007 6:45 AM

osama is dead. if he were alive he would have been in our faces 24/7. do you think the msm would not find a way to promote that a**hole if he were still breathing. look at the scant coverage of castro lately.

Posted by: jmorrison at September 8, 2007 7:09 AM

Noam Chomsky "among one of the most capable of those from your own side," and mentions global warming and "the Kyoto accord."

The left might try to dodge this sloppy wet kiss, but there's no doubt; he knows his allies and their causes.

Posted by: leigh moon at September 8, 2007 8:23 AM

I used to think that nonsensical conspiracy theories were the sole property of the Left. But reading the posts here, the "bin Laden is dead" truthers may be as numerous as their intellectual equals in the 9/11-was-an-inside-job movement.

Bin Laden just issued his first video message in almost 3 years, although he's released several audio messages. All of these, including the new video, have been confirmed by the relevant experts to be the genuine Osama. In this video he mentions several events that have happened in the last few months, meaning that if he is dead his corpse must still be warm.

Please don't embarass yourselves and the conservative movement by spreading unfounded and idiotic rumours that bin Laden is dead. Let's leave the mush-brained conspiracy mongering where it belongs, in the realm of the reality-challenged Left.

Posted by: JP at September 8, 2007 8:31 AM

Hey 2.5 % tax sounds pretty damn good. Except for odd beheading or stoning, it sounds like their government wouldn't be in our face half as much as ours. The Liberals anyway. And no more Sheilas or Carolyns or Giggles.

Posted by: gordo at September 8, 2007 9:24 AM

crabgrass - again, this isn't a journal article. So kindly forget the Chicago manual of style.

blackbird - if the point of dying one's hair and beard is to convince the enemy of your youth, then, since the West already knows exactly how old Bin Laden is - such an action is spurious.

a- if that's a pasted-on beard (heh), then, shouldn't the twits have the sense to make him look like Bin Laden, ie, with a long straggly white beard - and not a cartoon of himself ten years ago?

He's dead. That speech was written by a westerner. Whoever did the voice-over - so what.

Bart F - nice comments on the relation between Islamic fascism and Leninism.

Posted by: ET at September 8, 2007 9:34 AM

ET,

While I think Bin Laden is alive, no evidence to say otherwise and besides it really doesnt matter. However that isnt my point

My point, I agree with you that the speech was written by someone elese. I think the naswer is Adam al Ameriki (or whatever his name is) the Californian convert. You are correct that it lacked the flowery (and florid) Arab rhetoric. Chomsky....wtf?....next he'll be making references to Juan Cole....

This was a speech not targetted to the Arab masses/street. It is targetted solely at the West. The question is why and what does it mean. Is it because thats where he gets bang for buck, ie can change things by speaking to them while speaking to Arabs and Muslims gets him nowehere or is it because he has realized that speaking to Arabs and Muslims gets him nowhere.

It is an odd message. I would speculate that Amerki wrote it. At the end of the day I dont know what it really means.

Posted by: Stephen at September 8, 2007 9:34 AM

How about Osama is mummified and animated or someone made an animated Osama doll and put on a black beard to make him look younger? There is no sign of body language!

How can anyone be so naive to think a voice can't be mimicked? Any voice can have variables in different media.
Can't believe the gullibility of supposedly intelligent people, some of them looking after affairs of state. Scary stuff.

Posted by: Liz J at September 8, 2007 9:45 AM

ET's analysis seems very accurate when you read the transcript - whoever wrote this knows all the important issues for lefties (Chomsky good, capitalism bad, Kyoto good, etc).

The speech writer does however make it perfectly clear that Islam and the Koran are intellectual property theft:

"And everyone who believe in them (Allah's words) and complies with them is a believer from the people of the Garden. Then when the men of knowledge altered the words of Allah, the Most High, and sold them for a paltry price, as the rabbis did with the Torah and the monks with Evangel, Allah sent down His final book, the magnificient Quaran, and safeguarded it from being added to or subracted from by the hands of men, and in it is a complete methodology for the lives of all people."

Many of the characters and events of the Old and New Testaments appear in the Koran but they are all jumbled up - Miriam the sister of Moses appears as the mother of the man from Nazareth, Haman from the time of the Persians (book of Esther) appears in the court of the Pharoah (book of Exodus), Abraham takes Ishmael for sacrifice not Isaac, etc. Events and characters separated by 1000 years are mixed together in the Koran. Islam claims that Christians and Jews are perfidious and lied in their books. Thus Islam forbids conversion - if a Muslim reads the other books they may question why their version differs and they may point out these differences to other Muslims.

When Mohammed came with his Koran to the Jews and Christians of Arabia, they said no thanks. The Koran was recognized as a mishmash of the Torah, the Prophets, Psalms, Proverbs, the New Testament, and the Talmud. The Christians and Jews living at the time of Mohammed did not recognize him as the "seal of the Prophets". Thus Islam had to posit that the Jews and Christians "changed" the original which Mohammed made available in the Koran,

Why do we allow this? It would be as if a group arose around an individual who claimed to have the "true" version of Shakespere's writings - Othello and Hamlet were both in Denmark, King Lear was a Capulet, etc.

You can't just take other people's writings, scramble them up, and then say that you have it right and the other people "lied in their books". (oh I guess you can - it has been going on since 600 AD)
(sorry for the -)

Posted by: ex-liberal at September 8, 2007 9:57 AM

If Bin Laden were to appear and say (a would-be paraphrase here) "I am here to announce to the world that I align myself with Republicans and conservatives everywhere.", what would we conclude?

He has stated the reverse, non?

What political climate in the west works best for Al Quaeda's recruitment program?

Just thinking aloud, like everyone else.

ET, I was kinda joking about the CMoS.

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 8, 2007 10:15 AM

R.Ball,at 10:09 p.m. I concur with your makeover of Osama to Bob Louden. Why not take it a little step further.Bob just isn't edgy enough. I suggest we make it Dick,to appeal to the gays.Then set him up in an inn in Vermont,give him a white wife that looks great in a sweater,and a ditzy debutante housekeeper (a la Paris H.) that we call "cupcake". A surefire hit.

Posted by: wallyj at September 8, 2007 10:19 AM

ex-liberal

First - why on earth are you apologizing to crabgrass for the use of the 'dash'? This is a blog not an academic journal, and the commentary does not follow 'written text' but 'oral text'. Speaking and writing are completely different.

I agree that the Koran is a mish-mash, as it would be, from a people who had heard of previous books (Torah, Bible) orally and from multiple sources.

I maintain that Islam specifically developed within a pastoral nomadic economy that was seeing its land base drastically eroded due to expanding agricultural settlements of Christians. The Koran in its outline of proper behaviour fits right in with a pastoral tribal economy - not a settled agricultural economy. And it's a perspective that is advocating fighting to both hold onto its lands and expand them. And keep the Others in dhimmitude - to ensure that the settled agriculturalists don't retake those lands.

As for this current speech - I think it's to help the Democrats in the current American election. The speech is showing that Al Qaeda and the Democrats/Left could get along very well together in this world. They could work together, even convert to Islam! - and be all cozy together against the Big Corporations, against Global Warming, against capitalism blah blah. No need to fight a war; instead - Let's Get Along in the fight against private enterprise, big business and global warming..etc.

It's pure western leftist blather. Geared to the American left who are weary of the War against Terrorism. Instead - this speech is suggesting that they could actually get along, stop the war, and fight The Real Enemy. Vote Democrat!!! That's what it's all about.

Posted by: ET at September 8, 2007 10:20 AM

Osama is playing this beautifully. Put a target on the left, pump up the right and the war goes on and on.

Posted by: Greg at September 8, 2007 10:28 AM

Greg,
Osama is not playing for the "war to go on and on" - he's playing to win. He knows his message sounds good to leftists and he knows that if leftists come to power, he wins - leftists, who do not think there is anything worth fighting for in our way of life, will not fight.

ET,
I was just joking about the apology for the dash.

Posted by: ex-liberal at September 8, 2007 10:38 AM

ex-liberal: "(sorry for the -)"

No apologies necessary. You used it in correct fashion. Keep calm and carry on.

Posted by: The Chicago Manual of Style at September 8, 2007 10:39 AM

its not osama its rumsfeld!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5P6MLiKEJI

Posted by: cal2 at September 8, 2007 10:46 AM

Greg, he's losing. That's why he's pleading with the Americans to quit. Al Qaeda is putting so much effort into fighting the West in its own territory (Afgh. & Iraq) that they can barely hatch a few muddled bomb plots overseas. Instead of cowering in terror of his fearsome jihadis, most Westerners get mad at Bush for even suggesting they exist, simply because the threat never materializes in a scary way like it did in 9/11.

That's not to say that the War against terror should stop -- just keep 'em there, away from us, that's cool by me. It would be wonderful,though, if they would stop torturing and killing their own people so the average Iraqi and Afghani can enjoy life like we can.

Posted by: ann at September 8, 2007 10:47 AM

Chicago Manual of Style, thank you so much for being here.

I was only joking about joking on the use of the em dash. I am in fact deadly serious about it. ET, be more discerning henceforth.

But on a serious note (if the video is to be taken seriously), did reverse psychology work on most of when we were kids?

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 8, 2007 10:56 AM

Eeyore: any sane and wise person is going to put out disinformation so as to not tip his hand to their enemies. It could very well be that those quotes from the CIA et al are just bits of disinformation...they don't want Al-Qaeda to know they know that Bin Laden is dead, for whatever purpose.

I thought about that perspective, Eeyore, and came up with these two questions:

1) Exactly what intelligence value might there be for the US Government, operators of the most sophisticated and comprehensive global intelligence network in history, to public feign ignorance over their knowledge of the death of the world's most wanted man? The only thing I can think of is to deceive the American public into thinking that this boogeyman still walks among them, and thus justify the continuation of "counter-terrorism" projects at home and abroad. But such duplicity (also, federal offences) isn't something either the US military or the White House would stoop to, right?

2) Rather, given that Bush's approval ratings are tanking, the war is not merely unpopular but increasingly a political liability as well, the long-impotent Democrats are finally catching up, and the Republican Party is in desperate need to come up with demonstrations of progress in the War on Terror, wouldn't it be a huge coup for the White House to be able to publicly announce that Bin Laden, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks -- the 5th anniversary of which is IN THREE DAYS -- is dead, especially given that part of the reason for the growing unpopularity of the war is the ongoing failure to capture or kill this guy?

Posted by: A at September 8, 2007 11:18 AM

Bin Laden or, Islamic fascism, may be losing as a military strategy - but- it can be transformed and win as a sociological strategy. How?

First - there are two aspects of Islamic fascism. The first is strictly internal to the ME - and that is the fact that, as tribal dictatorships, the majority of the people have been excluded from economic, political and social power. The explosive population growth and rise of trillionaire dictators arose after WWII and is funded by one resource - oil.
The answer to this focus on money, power and an impoverished and angry population, according to the Islamists, the islamic fascists, was to 'purify' these nations of their 'Western industrialism'. The original Al Qaeda agenda was against these ME dictatorships.

What these ME dictatorships did, to deal with this, was not to change their tribal political structure and develop a strong middle class. Instead, they encouraged massive emigration to the West - to get rid of this burgeoning and angry population. And, SA saw that this population was the 'rabid' group by funding Wahhibist mosques and schools in the West. That is, the requirement for change was 'exported' to the West. You got rid of your population, you educated them to be angry - not at their own country - but at the West.

This emigration expulsion of the Al Qaeda agenda was enormously helped by the also post WWII rise of postmodernism and multiculturalism in the west - which enabled these fanatics to live and grow in the West without any restraints, and no need to assimilate.

So, these 'westernized fascists attacked the West. The West reacted by pushing them back into the ME - where they belong. That is what is happening now - the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan is not about the West, but about tribalism. Tribes are trying to both retain the old political system of One Tribe In Power - and to fight over which tribe. AND, to move, with great great difficulty - into a civic rather than tribal mode.
This is the correct fight. This is what should have happened post WWII but didn't.

Now - this puts the original agenda of Al Qaeda, the installation of a Pure Islamic State, operating in 7th century mode - out of the picture. It's no longer viable.And the ME fight now is between tribalism and civic political modes.

I'm suggesting that Al Qaeda is morphing into two things. First - is the switch from ideological agenda to pure criminality. We've seen that with the Korean and other kidnappings-for-ransom. They'll do more of this, move into drugs, etc, and transform into pure criminals.

But, the leftists of the world are also using the defunct Al Qaeda ideology - the ideology not the people necessarily. And, they are saying: "the war is not against Islam; it's not against terror. After all - everything we Islamists have done to you, you have deserved".

"No, my fellow brethren, the real war is against the Evil Capitalists, and Big Business. Oh, and global warming- which is caused by Big Business Capitalists'...and blah blah" Pure leftist socialism has aligned itself with Islamic fascists to fight the Real War. Against capitalism, democracy, science, reason, etc.

By installing 'dhimmitude', by engaging the left as your dumb slaves to carry on the war.

Posted by: ET at September 8, 2007 11:35 AM

A, as I said, ALL OF THIS IS SPECULATION. You may be right, you may be wrong. The one thing that I know for sure is that I won't believe everything I read in the news during a war.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 8, 2007 11:38 AM

DemocracyRules says, "The voice is wrong. It is slow, sonorous, uninflected, there is nothing intellectually nimble about it."

ET: He's dead. That speech was written by a westerner. Whoever did the voice-over - so what.

Liz J: How can anyone be so naive to think a voice can't be mimicked? Any voice can have variables in different media.

Hello?! Hasn't anyone here seen my movies (especially the latest installment, The Bourne Ultimatum, in theaters everywhere)?! This is the US Government! They are crazy good at this stuff. It ain't just a bunch of guys sitting around a TV set, going, "Gee, I dunno, kinda sounds like him. I'm going with 70, no, 80 percent sure." They've got, like, computers and stuff, with really cool software with wavy voice-tracking thingies! I think they're even using Linux, man! LINUX!!!

Now, Osama can't seduce a cute German babe while killing a man with his bare hands like I can, but he's still wily for an older guy. I say he's alive, and--if you've seen my movies (especially the latest installment, The Bourne Ultimatum, in theaters everywhere)--you'll know that I know everything.

Peace out,
JBo

Posted by: Jason Bourne at September 8, 2007 11:40 AM

Crabgrass: "Chicago Manual of Style, thank you so much for being here."

I'm glad you treating the proper use of the em dash with the sober gravitas it deserves. Fare thee well, my linguistically adept friend, fare thee well. And remember: wherever the poor usage of punctuation marks lurks, The Chicago Manual of Style will be there to fight for truth, justice, and the more correct usage of said punctuation marks.

Posted by: The Chicago Manual of Style at September 8, 2007 11:51 AM

...did reverse psychology work on most of when we were kids?

You haven't grown up yet?

Posted by: ol hoss at September 8, 2007 11:53 AM

Eeyore: The one thing that I know for sure is that I won't believe everything I read in the news during a war.

On this one point, I agree completely.

Posted by: A at September 8, 2007 11:57 AM

This comment is so good, it deserves a second helping, in bold!:

I used to think that nonsensical conspiracy theories were the sole property of the Left. But reading the posts here, the "bin Laden is dead" truthers may be as numerous as their intellectual equals in the 9/11-was-an-inside-job movement.

Bin Laden just issued his first video message in almost 3 years, although he's released several audio messages. All of these, including the new video, have been confirmed by the relevant experts to be the genuine Osama. In this video he mentions several events that have happened in the last few months, meaning that if he is dead his corpse must still be warm.

Please don't embarass yourselves and the conservative movement by spreading unfounded and idiotic rumours that bin Laden is dead. Let's leave the mush-brained conspiracy mongering where it belongs, in the realm of the reality-challenged Left.

Posted by: JP at September 8, 2007 8:31 AM

Posted by: Osama Bin Laden at September 8, 2007 12:00 PM

OBL:

Yeah, aint' conspiracy theories fun.

You could drive your opponent to the brink of insanity by spouting them.

And, I've advocated for a long time that conspiracy theories are living proof that God gave us imaginations.

Posted by: set you free at September 8, 2007 12:27 PM

Sounds like Osma plans on running on the Democratic platform, I would love to see a debate between him and Hillery.

Posted by: Colin at September 8, 2007 1:30 PM

old horsie: "You haven't grown up yet?"

Dude, I'm 11 years old. I'm not exactly sure what you expect of me.

ET: "By installing 'dhimmitude', by engaging the left as your dumb slaves to carry on the war."

I expect that OBL is grateful for having his profile raised here, too. Myself, I'm putting him on "ignore". That'll get his goat.

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 8, 2007 1:43 PM

From the sounds of it, Bin Laden is ticked off Bush was re-elected the second time in America; how dare the American people not vote in those dumbass coward democrats - it is outrageous.

I guess Bin Laden had to dye his beard because his followers were starting to view him as old and a has been....poor bugger, ageism gets us all.

Posted by: Joanne at September 8, 2007 2:39 PM

Looks like Osama's a fan of Grecian formula for his beard.

Posted by: Aaron at September 8, 2007 2:56 PM

Dude, I'm 11 years old. I'm not exactly sure what you expect of me.

Mentally, or physically? Expectations would differ depending on the answer.

Posted by: ol hoss at September 8, 2007 3:53 PM

Why is no one mentioning the difference in his skin color in the two videos. Why has no one ever done a before and after pic of obl without a beard.

Posted by: MaryT at September 8, 2007 4:16 PM

I think this was just the first GOP election campaign commercial...it was just produced in GOP HQ in Baghdad. ;-)

Posted by: W L Mackenzie Redux at September 8, 2007 4:33 PM

Horsie - Chronologically, I am 11 years old. My mom says I act "like a goddamned 8-year-old". Draw your own conclusions.

Anyway, my mom says Osama is Conservative all the way, even voted for Kim Campbell for a lack of anyone else remotely viable. So I'm like, "YEAH MUM, DUH...", but secretly, I'm all "who is Kim Campbell"?

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 8, 2007 5:16 PM

Whoever made the stuffed Osama doll and animated it must be having a hell of a laugh at the stupidity of the gullible fools who swallow such a farce.

By the way "Crabgrass", your a lying juvenile delinquent. If you're on the Liberal payroll better cash your cheque pronto, they've sent Garth Turner West on a wing and a prayer, may have blown their wad.

Posted by: Liz J at September 8, 2007 6:16 PM

Stephane Dion - call your office...

“The capitalist system seeks to turn the entire world into a fiefdom of the major corporations under the label of ‘globalization’ in order to protect democracy.”

Osama Bin Laden

“Transnational corporations are essentially creating a seemless consumer conveyer belt to service a world in which any pretense of justice or equality has been abandoned. Or what one American calls a system of survival of the children of the fittest.”

Maude Barlow, former Liberal Party nomination candidate, World Social Forum, Jan 28, 2001

“The threat of…expanded corporate power at the expense of economic stability for working people -- these are some of the reasons we oppose (the SPP)”

Elizabeth May – www.greenparty.ca

Posted by: abc at September 8, 2007 6:35 PM

Liz J., you're famously silly.

Still, I'm honoured that you would entertain for even a moment that I might be on the payroll.

Bedtime... nightnight.

Posted by: Crabgrass at September 8, 2007 7:35 PM

CONSIDER THE LOGIC

ALRIGHT, I confess, I'm a scientist (but I have never given anyone syphilis to experiment on them, or anything). However, when it comes to Osama Bin Laden, I like to stick with Occam's Razor (the Law of Parsimony). This is a rule about scientific hypotheses, which insists that if you have two hypotheses to choose from, and they both account for all the relevant observations and data, you must take the simplest one. Occam’s Razor cuts out unnecessary complexity.

So here are the relevant observations and data: (1) Osama’s last verified location was in Tora Bora, Afghanistan, November 2001. (Laura Mansfield has a video of OBL, which appeared a few months ago, but in fact shows Osama in October 2001).

Very old tape :
http://www.lauramansfield.com/3.rm

Newer tape, showing OBL from Oct 2001, about 1:37 into the tape.
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/default.asp

DEATH of close associates of Osama at Tora Bora (Zawahiri's wife & kids)... (2) The US and Pakistan seem to have given up looking for Osama... (3) Zawahiri has taken over as principal spokesman, despite obvious shortcomings in oratory and charisma... (4) Al Qaida has made repeated claims that Osama is alive (while admitting that few have seen him)... (5) If he was dead, I would NOT expect the US or Al Qaida to admit it (the US does not want Osama as a martyr, and Al Qaida needs a figurehead).

(6) ONLY TWO videos of Osama since the one from October 2001 (which was just before Tora Bora). Notice in the October 2001 video, he is smoothly articulate, extremely emotional, and constantly making complex hand gestures with both hands... the only other two videos since then (2004 & Sept, 2007) shows a man who looks like Osama, shot at a distance, showing little emotion, no real hand gestures... (7) There have been audio recordings, but all of strangely bad quality, with lots of static, whereas other Al Qaida audio and video production values have become quite good... after Tora Bora, the first audio tape attributed to Osama was called a fake by a Swiss Research Institute... they and other voice simulation experts claimed that software has existed for years which can duplicate human speech patterns almost perfectly, including accents, pausing, intonation, etc... to make it impossible to differentiate from the real thing, add background static... (8) Suddenly the Swiss Research Institute in question stopped all public commentary about Osama’s audio tapes, as if someone had asked them to be silent... (9) Even Osama’s audio tapes have now stopped... (10) Silence is out of character for Osama, before Tora Bora, he was talking his head off... (11) Al Qaida now releases a new video claimed to be of OBL, but the speaker clearly does not look, act, or sound like the OBL prior to Tora Bora. Why a fake, unless Osama was dead?

Hypotheses: (A) Osama is alive, but has abandoned public speaking, reason indeterminate... or (B) He’s dead.

CONCLUSION: Hypothesis (A) does not seem to explain most of the observations and data noted in 1 to 11 above. On the other hand Hypothesis (B) explains them all. Ergo, he’s dead.

Posted by: DemocracyRules at September 8, 2007 11:08 PM

Oh, brilliant analysis, Kate. And you're a nazi.

My God, you're a moron.

Posted by: Reformed Minion at September 9, 2007 2:22 PM
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