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July 28, 2005

Revenge Of The Waitresses

The Bitter Waitress

Tipper's Name: Michael Moore
Where it happened: New York
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $248.73 / $1.27 / 0%
What happened:
This fat bastard first bitched about not being able to get a table by the window then ordered enough food for himself to feed me for a week. After busting my ass trying to bring him the next plate before he finished the first he only leaves a dollar and some change for a tip... Dude wheres my tip?

Also: Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnell and over at the Boston Clam Shack, make that one more vote for Bush.

Posted by Kate at July 28, 2005 1:39 AM
TrackBacks

On the Mooretrary from Dust my Broom
I’m a millionaire, I’m a multi-millionaire. I’m filthy rich. You know why I’m a multi-millionaire? ‘Cause multi-millions like what I do. - Michael Moore Then the guy leaves a $1.27 tip! ... [Read More]

Tracked on July 28, 2005 9:17 AM

INTERBLOGATORY TRAVELS from Lifelike Pundits
OH! MY! GOD! John Hawkins has posted the absolute BEST ad yet for the 08 election , which begins with "After the first 8 years of sleaze and scandal ... " with "Kiss it" and other assorted memorable Clinton-esque... [Read More]

Tracked on July 28, 2005 11:23 AM

A dish served cold from Autonomous Source
After multiplying exponentially and splitting everything, these jerkfaces decided that a $3.00 tip was perfectly acceptable. When they asked if there was enough for a tip I replied with "Well, you left me 3 on 500, so I actually paid... [Read More]

Tracked on July 28, 2005 2:39 PM

The A list from American Dinosaur
I sure hope you did not make this "A" list.* *Asshole, quite a few Hollywood libs on this one. HT: Small Dead Animals... [Read More]

Tracked on July 28, 2005 7:10 PM

Comments

That reminds me of the story a couple years ago when the Washington Post interviewed the tailor who has served the White House since LBJ.

He said only two presidents showed genuine interest in regular guys like himself: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

He said that Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush tried to seem interested but just weren't, while Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton actually showed contempt for a mere tailor.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Posted by: Tony at July 28, 2005 2:45 AM

Opinions aside, could you at least try to follow the rudiments of proper punctuation and spelling? Slagging people off for supposedly being ill-educated, trying to get waitress 'revenge' taken seriously: that sort of thing begs at least a cursory edit/spell-check.

Though I admit it does add nicely to the overall pro-US stance of the site. Have you ever lived in the States? At least be grateful for having had the shot at a good education; don't make a mockery of it via poorly constructed text. If you can't even spell somebody's political affiliation, leave commentary on same to actual writers. Yikes.

As a bit of an aside, I'm not entirely clear on what's typed below re. Parrish, teaching career, and WWII, but -- if I'm following correctly -- for better or for worse, criticism of the US for coming into WWII too late does exist (and can do so reasonably comfortably next to gratitude that they did eventually show up and do an admirable job).

And another: a comparative analysis never hurts. See especially: CBC/'terrorist,' Fox News/'sniper' (along with a host of other semantic silliness).

Finally, said comparative analysis, along with more diverse background sources, would undoubtedly help -- and presumably boost -- your readership; the person who directed me to the 'Revenge of the Waitress' offered up his loathing for Michael Moore. No more than that, though; he hadn't read anything of his, seen his movies, etc. A pity, given the similarities between the rip-off from the 'Western Standard' and Moore's similar maze with the Bush family and oil interests.

Best of luck with the hate, though.

Posted by: Random Bytowner at July 28, 2005 3:52 AM

Random Bytowner, you obviously didn't bother to view the link. If you had, you'd have seen that the writing is NOT Kate's. It was lifted from the link for the benefit of lazy, arrogant, uncivil leftist individuals such as yourself.

By the way, don't you think that in addition to being a dangerous windbag, Michael Moore is also a cheap, fat bastard who thinks he should be given all that he demands all the time without exception?

I will return later in the day to see whether you got the message that you've made a faux pas and need to acknowledge it and apologize to Kate for being such an ass towards her. After all, you don't know much about Kate. You can see that she's obviously very intelligent once you have observed what she actually writes.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 28, 2005 4:57 AM

"Best of luck with the hate, though."

The above makes your extreme, pigheaded left-wing bias quite obvious to everyone.

There's no hate around here save for that coming from you, moonbat.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 28, 2005 4:59 AM

I don't think much, anyway, of anyone who would be so assinine as to defend Michael Moore, of all people. Who're you going to defend next, Osama Bin Laden? Saddam?

Shoo, moonbat, shoo!

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 28, 2005 5:02 AM

Thanks for adding me to your blogroll. I don't often leave comments, but love reading here. I will leave a comment from time to time. I appreciate it, thanks, Jay

Posted by: Jay at July 28, 2005 7:50 AM

Apparently, Random Bytowner surfs in for free, observes that there is no tip jar or advertising and then concludes that I owe him something.

Must be a left winger.

Posted by: Kate at July 28, 2005 8:21 AM

"There's no hate around here save for that coming from you, moonbat."

Feel the love.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at July 28, 2005 8:26 AM

How full of yourself do you have to be to leave behind crap from a crappy TV show. Be still me foolish heart. Micheal Moore has always been a fat bastard, perhaps he can't tip because the right wing boycotts all his movies! Gotta love all those rich socialist who want to make the world a better place but can't make the night better for their server. Socialist have always been better at spending everyone's money than their own.

Posted by: sheila at July 28, 2005 9:15 AM

So now its Bush's fault that Moore didn't leave a tip. *LOL* How far will these left-wing nutbars go?

Posted by: ABC™ at July 28, 2005 10:10 AM

Speaking of Michael Moore, he's listed a few times in that shitty tipper database.

TIP: You have to spell people's Names with capitalization when you search. Michael Moore will work, michael moore won't.

Posted by: BC Monkey at July 28, 2005 11:16 AM

Come on, give the guy a break (Michael Moore that is). A 10% tip would be about $25 which would buy him a few more slices of pie to stuff into his mouth. You wouldn't want him to starve would you?

Posted by: John B at July 28, 2005 11:54 AM

Try looking up John Kerry on the Shitty Tipper Database! Pretty revealing liberal elitism. The 3 entries for George Bush are obvious fakes.

Posted by: Mike S at July 28, 2005 12:46 PM

Sheesh guys, 1.) tipping starts at 15%, 20% for good and attentive service. 2.) The waiter/ess is not responsible for seating, that's the responsibility of the matri'de. 3.) Waiters and waitresses in the States get taxed by the IRS, whether they declare tips as income or not, based on the assumption that they do not. 4.) It is unnecessary to see a M-M film to receive the brunt of his demonstrated lack of couth and reckless social imbecility - neither of which is forgivable or offset by any sort of attempt at film-appreciation.
Mr. M isn't just a cheap, fat bastard, he's a multi-millionaire with a million-dollar apartment in Manhattan and million-dollar beachfront house in Michigan, cheap, fat bastard.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 28, 2005 12:47 PM

I never tipped much at all when I was in my early 20's until I began dating a girl that insisted on tipping when we went out. To my embarrassment, if I didn't give enough of a tip she would "top it up". She got me to see what a privilege it is to be served by a fellow human being and that the tip is the show of appreciation.

I believe I learned the lesson well...I always tip: less for bad but considerably more for good service. Tipping is like your handshake...it's an expression of your humanity.

The $1.27 tip from Micheal Moore is an expression of his. Maybe if I hadn't of met the woman who showed me a different way I would have been behaved similarly. I wonder if "Random Bytowner" knows how to tip?

Posted by: Martin B. at July 28, 2005 12:53 PM

I worked my way through college (and later grad school) as a waitress in various types of establishments. "Back in the day" being tipped was especially important since we were making truly minimum wage (as I recall $1 per hour). Keith in Mtn.View is correct - the choice of seating is the maitre d's responsibility. No doubt that worthy gentleman wanted something other than a mountain of lard sitting in the front window. As to the size of the tip, I ALWAYS tip 20% and most former wait persons I know do so as well. On that basis, the waitress should have gotten something in the neighborhood of $54!

I think it's bad enough that anyone actually has to serve FOOD to Mr. Moore, and such an insulting tip is totally over the line. I know that this has been covered before but why are bathing, grooming and civilized behavior so frightening to the Left? Do they honestly believe it makes them "one of the guys"? Hate to break it to them, but truly civilized people BATHE, brush their teeth, comb their hair and make at least an attempt to not make small children run screaming from their vicinity!

Posted by: Gayle at July 28, 2005 1:55 PM

Gayle, I approve. Beautifully put. 73s TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at July 28, 2005 2:38 PM

That waitress should forget the tipping problem and just be thankful she didn't lose a hand or an arm in that socialist slob's cavernous maw.

Posted by: Virgil at July 28, 2005 2:40 PM

Sorry I misspelled maitre d, I only took one year of French and that was during my last year of High School, and I only tok French because I had already done all the German classes available. ;-)

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 28, 2005 3:08 PM

Dont play with me boy

Posted by: John Male blog at July 28, 2005 3:30 PM

how do you know my name?

Posted by: semen prostyakov blog at July 28, 2005 3:31 PM

Odd that it should come up...
Yesterday my wife and I were travelling and stopped at a TGI Friday's. I don't normally eat at chintzy theme restaurants, but I had no cash on me and had to use plastic, so I figured it would be a good bet. I had never eaten at a TGIF before, but I wasn't shocked to find that it was just a Ruby Tuesday ripoff, and expected the food to be no different.
Well, the waitress was perky but slow. This was around 2:00 PM, well after lunch, and there were only four other people in our section, so the waitress had little to do. I ordered a burger and had to refuse about a dozen other things she tried to force on me, and when it came I asked for mayo and mustard. I finally got tired of waiting for her so I started eating the burger, and she finally remembered the condiments after I was almost done with this sorry, greasy $7.00 burger. Then my tea ran out, and after a while she came back by to take the orders of some new customers so I asked for the check. Well, it came quickly enough, but then I couldn't get her to take my money because she was busy chatting with the new clients. Not about the food, but about local real estate prospects. By this time I was feeling sick from the burger, which I couldn't finish, and was sick of listening to her perky voice at the next table. When she finally took my card I signed the check and left without responding to anything she said, and I left her nothing. She was a crappy server and got as good a tip as she deserved. I hate to stiff a server, but sometimes, they deserve it.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 28, 2005 4:00 PM

Is Random really Jack Layton?

Posted by: Iron Lady at July 28, 2005 4:03 PM

Great discussion. The phrase "Walk a mile in my shoes" comes to mind when I hear tipping stories. At one time I never really thought about it until my daughter got her first job waitressing. While I waited to pick her up after shift I started to pay attention to other tables and how people treated the serving staff. And I thought salvery had been abolished! It certainly opened my eyes. And on top of all the hassle, my daughter was expected to split the tip with the cooks and hostesses! Moore's $1.27 wouldn't go too far.
Now I tip according to service, rude, lazy people get a lot less while great enjoyable service get appropriatly more.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at July 28, 2005 4:19 PM

One wonders if MM would ever return to the restaraunt....I am sure there would be a "spitburger" that made it his way...or true Pee Soup....If you only knew how waiters, cooks etc dealt out their revenge to bad customers.

Treat the staff with respect or you play with fire

Posted by: Stephen at July 28, 2005 4:47 PM

The figures are interesting. Do the math:

Bill $248.73
+Tip $1.27
_______
Total $250.00

The tidy little nature of this calculation suggests a pretty small-minded and niggardly personality.

Posted by: JJM at July 28, 2005 4:53 PM

JJM: Michael Moore's work supports your assessment. Only the left take him seriously - and Oprah.

Posted by: Mrs Thatcher at July 28, 2005 6:34 PM

"I will return later in the day to see whether you got the message that you've made a faux pas..."

What, about a number of spelling (&c) errors? The basking in bile? Which?

Apparently, Random Bytowner surfs in for free, observes that there is no tip jar or advertising and then concludes that I owe him something.

Must be a left winger.

Possibly. Or somebody depressed at the abysmal standard of public political discourse nowadays. Or even not a 'him.' (Possibly.)

Of course I'm not 'owed' anything, but if there's an option to leave a comment on a public site -- well, what else is it there for?

"...it's worthwhile to provide a Parrish bashing comments thread..."

Should I have been more blunt? This is unsophisticated trash that reduces what might be valid, important viewpoints to a teevee talk show level. I don't understand so many people being hell-bent on reducing the right to 'bashing' in lieu of convincing, careful, scholarly analysis. Moore's a tubbo! Parrish's a loudmouth! Boooo! Let's make a laughingstock of Canadian conservatives!!

Yikes.

Posted by: Random Bytowner at July 28, 2005 6:43 PM

Dhe behavioar uf Michael More andd duh comants lefft bye Randumb Bitownar reflekt te generell karakter and personnnnality uf dat ilk thay reprasant. Elitist snobury. Whta ah disgrasevul dusplay uhf hipokcrazy and supersillyusnes.

Sowwy, bitouner i know spall so godd. Pleeze dun spit on meh wen u wak bi cawse im nut lyke u.

Posted by: Schwarze Tulpe at July 28, 2005 6:48 PM

Dear Iron Lady,

You said, "Is Random really Jack Layton?"

I doubt that Jack would post something in the manner of the postings by Randon Bytowner. To begin to hector people for their grammatical and spelling deficiencies would be akin to committing political suicide. Furthermore, I doubt that Jack has the intellectual capacity to write as Bytowner does.

cheers

Posted by: Schwarze Tulpe at July 28, 2005 7:27 PM

You are absolutely right, Bytowner. Each utterance of the LPC's delightful little love-child Carolyn Parrish is worthy of "convincing, careful, scholarly analysis", just as a home-invasion requires chin-scratching, thoughtful expressions, and congratulatory winks all around.

But how come you join in, only to bash the site? Taking an actual stand can be lots of fun, you know. How about telling us your personal opinion of Canada's Liberal blossom, Carolyn Parrish -- or do you not like to speak ill of family members in public?

Posted by: EBD at July 28, 2005 8:32 PM

Why do the regulars here imagine that the story is a true one? It's just something posted on the web, for crying out loud. I'd hate to be brought before a jury made up of you lot. Evidence means nothing--just believe the worst of a political opponent, because no one who disagrees with you could possibly be anything but a hypocrite. Right?

No need to answer that. You already have.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at July 28, 2005 8:38 PM

Random Bytowner: If you can't even spell somebody's political affiliation, leave commentary on same to actual writers. Yikes

Yikes indeed! We certainly wouldn't want the mere unwashed masses expressing their opinions on public matters. Oh heavens no! That's for professional writers to do.

NOTE - Professional writer, someone who is too self important, lazy and arrogant to actually cultivate a useful skill. One who looks down on others who have actually studied something or mastered a trade without having any hard won talents themselves.

As for Dr. Dawg, (I love this) "Why do the regulars here imagine that the story is a true one? Evidence means nothing--just believe the worst of a political opponent,"

Wow, you mean just like, ummm, oh say, Micheal Moore?

Posted by: John at July 28, 2005 8:59 PM

OK, John--what's your point, exactly? Think it through, now.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at July 28, 2005 10:17 PM

Careful, John, you misspelled 'Michael".

Cheers
JMH

Posted by: J.M. Heinrichs at July 28, 2005 10:17 PM

Here's one less for Bush...

Tipper's Name: George W. Bush
Where it happened: DC
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $753.58 / $1.28 / 0%
What happened:
He must have done the math himself!

Oh, and another one...

Tipper's Name: George W. Bush
Where it happened: Washington, DC
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $300.00 / $10.00 / 3%
What happened:
cheapskate!

Posted by: Noel M at July 28, 2005 11:17 PM

OH MY GAWD! You're right JMH. I did misspell something. That must mean I'm not a "writer" by bytowner's definition. Well, I know that if I were not excluded from the snotty, elitist "writers" club for spelling mistakes I would certainly have been excluded from it for taking years to learn an actual useful trade.

As for Dr. D. (sigh) I suppose I will have to explain because he's too dim to figutre it out.
Dr. D, you attack us for slagging Moore yet you say nothing about Moore who uses the same tactics that you find so reprehensible. Moore is nothing more than a cheap shot artist.

Posted by: John at July 28, 2005 11:19 PM

I should add this to my message for Dr D. if you are TRULY upset with the MANNER in which this forum is attacking Moore then I must ask you (no sarcasm intended). Do you approve of Moore's manner in which he attacks Bush?

Posted by: John at July 28, 2005 11:30 PM

Random Bytowner, you try to claim that the average conservative is an imbecile requiring unfair derision and persecution by unapologetic, factless murderer-loving misanthropic metrosexual leftofascist moonbats such as yourself.

Look who's talking. Bite me, moonie fool.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 29, 2005 5:22 AM

By the way, Random, you sound familiar. Are you an NDPer with whom I have had amusing partisan back-and-forths before?

So many of you guys remind me of other lefties. Perhaps you're all the same, at any rate. Dime a dozen and all that...

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at July 29, 2005 5:25 AM

Stephen, of course this guy is a lefty. He's a ... (hushed tones) W R I T E R (ooohhh aaahhh).
The 2 go together like mac & cheese.
As a writer he gets paid for excreting whatever mental pus that can ooze out onto the keyboard. The only requirement is that he convince his none too bright employer that his brain farts are actually nuggets of intellectual wisdom. I accused WRITERS of being elitist snobs who look down their nose at anyone who is not part of their club and I stand by that. A doctor, technologist/tradesperson, computer expert, engineer, busineesperson take years to learn actual skills. Wheras a W R I T E R like "bytown" simply pops off whatever is in thier head at the time and calls it valuable.
You look at your average news story about something technical like, oh say, missile defence or cloning, the wise & mighty
W R I T E R will always discuss the moral aspects of it (harrumph snort) or write in an emotional manner bereft of fact (WHAT ABOUT THE CHILLLLDRENNNN). That's because they are too stupid and lazy to write about the technical & scientific aspects of the story. Dumbasses.
BTW Stephen "metrosexual lefto-facist misanthropic moonbats?" SHIT man! that's beautiful! I love it!

Posted by: John at July 29, 2005 7:25 AM

"Dr. D, you attack us for slagging Moore yet you say nothing about Moore who uses the same tactics that you find so reprehensible. Moore is nothing more than a cheap shot artist."

Whatever. I thought the point under discussion was that he was a lousy tipper. Now you want to justify a suspect attack by saying, in effect, "Well, he does it too!" How bloody childish.

For good measure, you turn all this into a genuine ad hominem argument, using his alleged stinginess as an argument against his films.

Well, no one ever said the Right knew how to construct an argument. This thread proves it--all mud-slinging, no facts, no arguments, no reason. Typical.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at July 29, 2005 9:44 AM

Has anyone spotted the corpulent Madcow Parrish of Heffer McClellan elbow to elbow at a feed lot buffet with these other Liberal celeb porkers??....oh yeah..they're all those scumbag American "Bastards"...that precludes Madcow Parrish from sharing a slops trough with her fellow liberal porkers in the US......but we'll keep an eye on it anyway ;-)

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at July 29, 2005 10:20 AM

As usual the Left misses the point.

Dr. D., the point of the thread is not that he is a lousy tipper, it is that like so many of his ilk, he is a HYPOCRITE.

He is reportedly always standing up for the working man & woman but can only provide them with a mere $1.27. That and another two bucks might buy you a cup of coffee.

He should put his OWN money where his mouth is, but then again not even B. Gates has enough money to cover MM's spouting off.

Posted by: Ken at July 29, 2005 1:27 PM

Dr. Dog said:

"no one ever said the Right knew how to construct an argument. This thread proves it--all mud-slinging, no facts, no arguments, no reason. Typical."

Well, Dr. Doggie, I am a righty. I do actually know how to form an argument. However, when it comes to Michael Moore, if you understand how wrong and disingenuous he is, what with using carefully selected interviews of braindead lefties and using their incoherent, programmed rantings, there is no argument. Everyone's justified in ridiculing that professional ridiculor-for-millions-of-dollars.

Moore, after all, cherishes his notoriety with the huge, indoctrinated leftofascist unwashed masses. They pay several of their easily-earned-via-checks-for-doing-nothing dollars en masse to see that big white blob's "work".

Yeah, I know you think I made no argument here, but I, like many of my fellow good right-thinking brethren, was simply expressing my OPINION of that becapped, bespectacled, bearded, smells-like-armpits-and-unwashed-bum big fat blob of dough.

When an issue worthy of the formulation of argumentative points arises, you can be assured I'll be there if I have time.

Here's some (unverified) reason to believe that Mikey Mooreon is a lying piece of weasel dung:

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/107180.html

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/103610.html

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/102198.html

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/100946.html

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/102156.html


Have a great long weekend, good moonbat!

Posted by: The Terminator at July 29, 2005 2:17 PM

"When an issue worthy of the formulation of argumentative points arises, you can be assured I'll be there if I have time."

I look forward to it. It would make a nice change.

In the meantime, you enjoy your weekend too. It's a working one for me, I'm afraid, but at least the weather's nice here.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at July 29, 2005 3:03 PM

The weather's beautiful here, too, Doctor. All wkend, it's forecasted.

I do relish a great debate, but it's very rare to get one from someone of an opposing viewpoint. Remember "Don"? He never made an argument- he only came on to call everyone a bigot simply because we want to fight terrorists. He promised a debate, but reneged. Looks like I terminated him earlier this week. That's why I started calling myself The Terminator.

I guess wrt the tipping issue, we were just having a good time and expressing our opinion of Mike Moore. No need to debate there. Many think Moore's an asshole and many think he's not. Period.

Posted by: The Terminator at July 29, 2005 4:05 PM

Fair enough. Come on over to my site when you want a good discussion. I would also recommend Angry in the Great White North, a conservative site with an intellectual difference. I spend some time over there. I'm sure you must be aware of it.

Again, have a good weekend.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at July 29, 2005 4:30 PM

I've visited Angry & commented a little. This wk I also visited Canadianna's Place. See the posting and comments entitled, "It's All About Sex". Some pretty good back & forth between me and others. Will check out your site. Hadn't realized you had one!

Here we go again w/ the wishing of the good wkend...

Posted by: The Terminator at July 29, 2005 5:52 PM

Yeah, I know you think I made no argument here, but I, like many of my fellow good right-thinking brethren, was simply expressing my OPINION of that becapped, bespectacled, bearded, smells-like-armpits-and-unwashed-bum big fat blob of dough.
[...and another...]
"When an issue worthy of the formulation of argumentative points arises, you can be assured I'll be there if I have time."
I look forward to it. It would make a nice change.

I really do want to get out of this thread, but keep feeling semi-responsible for some of it.

If Moore is little else but "smells bad" (you've been in reasonably close proximity to him?), leave it; it's not an "issue worthy of..." of, well, anything. It isn't useful debate, or even opinion. It's akin to "Stephen Harper has a bad haircut." Which I think he sort of does, but it's not relevant to his or any other politics, and pushing that line would not only make me silly, but damage the credibility of...of people who think the Tories were better off before re-construction and wish a fourth party had remained viable, &c.

A close relative of mine is an exec at a major US defence contractor; one that (unsurprisingly) Moore savages quite a bit in print and film. Last time I saw her[*], I asked what she thought of his natterings about her employer, and in general. Hmm. Well. He did manage to make a point now and then, but she already votes [in the US] and did not need to be told how to do so as if she were a fool. Vis-a-vis her employer, she commented on his prodigious talents for finding a great number of out-of-context, unrelated items, and stringing same together. No further comment needed.

And all of this was even lubricated with a bit of booze. You can imagine what a great Xmas Eve family round table would have gone on if she'd said he smelled like unwashed bum (and told me to shut it and analyse his detractors).

I'm also amazed by his inability to find a diet and good tailor, but am not about to analyse a body of work based on personal experience -- consider how many great thinkers would be down the tubes if that was a rational thing to do. It also invariably reads like a tacit admission that one hasn't really considered the facts, but just thrown together a bit of shallow-n-nasty. Which is exactly what I've been objecting to here all along: unwashed-bum-etc cheapens public discourse. Pointing out a regular, substantial failing of his rhetorical technique sends one off to further reasoned and polite debate.

[*] Yeah -- "she." Which I feel obligated to take pains to point out since the default assumption around here seems to be "he." Nope. Not me, either.

Finally;

I guess wrt the tipping issue, we were just having a good time and expressing our opinion of Mike Moore. No need to debate there. Many think Moore's an asshole and many think he's not. Period.

"Period" -- ? I don't know.

Many might think he has something to say but are upset with the way he says it. Or they think "Roger & Me" was a good movie but "Fahrenheit 9/11" was so poorly done that it did nobody any favours by polarising the left and right and leaving the middle to twist in the wind while the two traditional sides became increasingly stupid in public.

Or just that he may be more clever than people give him credit for. Sat in an American baseball stadium recently? Loads of fat sweaty white guys in ball caps, wearing sloppy clothes. I admit it's a stretch, but he may have found that pandering to 'middle America' via appearance is an effective aid to propagandising.

Posted by: Random Bytowner at July 29, 2005 10:03 PM

Golly willikers, I didn't realize that the kids next to me at the last Texas Rangers ball game were actually fat white guys in disguise! And the girls in the row behind me, the skinny guys wearing button-down shirts.......

I'm so glad that Random Bytowner has enlightened me. Now I'm aware that every one of those people (the ones that sure looked like Hispanics, African-Americans, and even the women wearing burqahs) was actually a fat, sweaty white guy. Next time I go to a game, I'm planning to ask one of the guys that looks like a teenage girl how he manages to change his appearance so successfully.

And it's nice that you point out how it's the "middle 'murkins" that are such an unseemly bunch. You yourself must be in another category; what, pray tell, might it be? Are you criticizing from across the northern border (in which case you will no doubt be instructing the RCMP to make sure none of the nasty middle 'murkins try to get into Canada; that kind of people would never do as tourists) or are you in a different socio-economic category?

Must go now, have to go chug down a few 6-packs, eat a bag of cheesburgers and then walk 100 metres so I'll be big, sweaty and smelly enough to rate a seat behind home plate.

Posted by: Joey W at July 30, 2005 12:20 AM

I gotta admit Random is a funny individual. However, being funny doesn't necessarily mean one will recognize when others are being funny rather than seriously argumentative.

Random, you say that making fun of the Supreme Overlord of Fat White Smelly Blobs harms our credibility. I would differ here, as I have already indicated we're not trying to be seriously argumentative; rather we're having fun, which I'm certain is allowed. We conservatives are not all tight-assed, most of us anyway. Are you yourself so tight-assed as to never loosen up a bit? Come on, you could be more fun more often and a tad less serious and argumentative. Watch a Farrelly brothers movie or one with Leslie Nielsen or something and just let yourself go, as life is too short not to call Michael Moore stinky, etc. Hell, he knows it's gonna happen if he's gonna say false crap about the man who's saving good peoples' asses the world over.

BTW, if you've been in close proximity to people like Moore, you'll surely agree their personal hygiene obviously leaves something to be desired, according to one's olfactory organ.

Anyway, I hope you'll be around for issues worthy of genuine debate. Enough of fat, stinky-assed slob lefties in ballcaps for now. Let's move on to important stuff.

Posted by: The Terminator at July 30, 2005 7:24 AM

The main point of all is the waitress has to pay taxes on his feeding frenzy whether she gets tipped or not, the man is wealthy and can afford to tip. Period. In America waitresses/waiters make their livings not on wages, but on tips. Hopefully the other, probably less wealthy, patrons she served left enough to make up for that cheap 5hit.

Posted by: kelly at July 30, 2005 1:33 PM

Sorry I meant cheap loud mouthed 5hit

Posted by: kelly at July 30, 2005 1:34 PM

so...any of you ever had a meal served in manhattan? any thoughts as to whether this waste-tress was worthy of a tip? my experience tells me that someone has to stop tipping bitchy NYC wait people when most don't deserve much more than a kick in the shins. perhaps moore is a hero?

Posted by: sarge at July 31, 2005 1:51 PM

btw, Random is kicking your asses. Pretty funny to watch all of this...soreta like picking a scab combined with looking under a wet rock...I especially enjoy Steven McAllister's rather comical posts. the frenzied snit-ishness of it all is mighty light in the loafers, if ya get sarge's drift! stevie ya don't style hair for a living do ya?

Posted by: sarge at July 31, 2005 1:57 PM

Sarge, I can assure you I have no fecking idea how to even cut hair. Hell, half of mine's gone anyway!

Surely ya don't think that only those skinny guys in tight clothes and fancy, loose jewellery, making all those pretentious gestures with their hands can be funny? Can't guys who like chicks also be funny?

I'll have ya know, Sarge, I'm as straight as Day. As in Stockwell. Do you bloody understand? Geez! Some people! They think ya gotta write like an illiterate moron to be hetero. I hope the sarge was just shittin' around and being the way a sarge is supposed to be.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 10:44 AM

And, Sarge, Random ain't kickin' anybody's arse. Don't know how you got that idea. And what the hell makes you think anyone's light in the loafers? Were you shell-shocked outside Kandahar? In which case you could be forgiven, otherwise, watch what you say. Did you see what happened to "Don"? I, in writing, terminated that Librano for less than what you're saying here. Don't make me switch back to being The Terminator, man.

BTW, you're not some kind of a lefty fool posing as a warrior and trying to stir up trouble for the good conservatives around here, are you? The Terminator is programmed to eliminate such insurgents. The keyboard is a very potent weapon in the right hands. If you can't operate the required weapon, then don't enter intellectual combat with those who've mastered the art.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 11:00 AM

Sarge, are you Don?

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 11:01 AM

I blew a shot of coffee out of my nose I was laughing so hard. "Stephen McAllisr, Lt. Colonel of the 101st Fighting Keyboard Brigade."
Man, they should give you your own cartoon show.

Posted by: Don at August 1, 2005 11:15 AM

Ah, bugger off, "Don".

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 11:21 AM

I see you still haven't denied being Warren Kinsella.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 11:26 AM

And what the hell makes you think anyone's light in the loafers?

Not, of course, to be specific about anybody here, but incessant assertions of one's heterosexuality crossed with using allegations of homosexuality as a sort of insult are pretty typical of, well, guys who have problems in the locker room when they notice their penis making slight motions when, god forbid, they're surrounded by naked people of the same gender.

Re. tipping and Rosie O'Donnell: a brand-new Shoppers Drug Mart here chose to leave a selection of tabloids and nothing else on the table in their very nice waiting area for prescriptions. Having asthma can be sort of educational: there was a tidbit about O'Donnell leaving a $480 tip on a $480 tab.

In a tabloid. Making it as valid and useful a comment on her as an unsubstantiated tidbit on the web.

Which had so much to do with my original post here that I couldn't resist tacking it on...

Posted by: Random Bytowner at August 1, 2005 12:45 PM

Ah, sod off, pompous poofter. :-)

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 2:57 PM

I'm thinking the "Sarge" could be a clever cover for Warren Kinsella to try to get us to say something stupid which he could use against us in the MSM. Let's not fall for it. We're not like he likes to claim we are. Let's disappoint him, people.

Shag off, Warren.

Posted by: Stephen McAllister at August 1, 2005 7:41 PM

sarge here...gotta tell ya I have no idea who warren kinsalla is, but if he's tryin' to get ya to say stupid things, he's got an loafer's job!

sarge don't mean to disparage the homosexuals, only that the wrttings of this mcAllister fella reminds old sarge of the reviews of certain broadway critics, and quite frankly the writtings of the foofy james lileks of the minneapolis trib....sarge aint tryin' to hide anything, and sarge can admit that if he had to shag a man it would be have to be brad pitt or somesuch, maybe elvis? I mean what red blooded american wouldn't admit that elvis was HOTT! so, ya see, sarge don't mind being in touch with his effeminate side, he just hates shrill bitchy theater critics, and neo conservatives who blog in the style. it's not sarge's fault that many of them do tend to have more than a passing interest in barbara striesand....hence the McAllister comments.

Posted by: sarge at August 3, 2005 12:58 PM
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