45 Replies to “Oh, Shiny Prime Minister!”

  2. It’s fair to say that not having to pay any taxes is, in effect, a “tax break.”

    In the U.S., we have approached this problem a different way. We give people who pay no taxes an “earned income tax credit” which means they can get a tax refund even though they don’t pay taxes. It works wonders on the self-esteem of the disenfranchised and marginalized. That way, they don’t feel left out.

    Someone to tell Trudeau about this.

  3. Low-income people don’t pay taxes? If that’s the case, I’d like a refund on the government deductions to my dole cheques when I was out of work 30 years ago.

    By the way, all the money I got while I drew pogey during those times the country more than got back on the income tax I paid since then.

  5. Well I guess if your a muslim migrant at a Toronto hotel with room service, gym, and swimming pool, paid for by the taxpayers, then you don’t pay income tax.

    1. But when he saunters over to the pop machine in his grape smugglers and buys a pop from the pop machine – he’s paying taxes.

      1. Someone who buys something with free money from the government is not paying taxes no matter what he buys. Logic is difficult.

  6. Our basic personal exemption is about $12,000. You’re probably living with your parents if you’re lucky at that income. Aside from EI and CPP, you would also be paying income tax above that amount, given the lack of other obvious deductions, not paying rent and all that.

    2. The 2018 federal tax credit was $11,809 and it is a non-refundable tax credit which works out to $1,771 in tax at 15%. It rises to $12,069 for 2019 and that equates to $1,810.35 in tax at 15%. Provincially, it varies from a low of $8,481 (Nova Scotia) to $19,369 (Alberta) for 2019. However, the actual amount of tax relief depends on how it is calculated on the 428 form for a given province (in Alberta, for instance, it will show 10% of that amount or $1,936.90 in tax relief for 2019). These are NON-REFUNDABLE tax credits, which means that if the credit is greater than the tax owing, the difference is NOT refunded to the taxpayer.

      The Working Income Tax Benefit (WITB) is a REFUNDABLE tax credit for eligible working low-income individuals and families. It’s a weird calculation, and really only benefits quite low-income taxpayers. Similarly, there is a refundable medical expense credit which – again – targets lower-income taxpayers.

      The GST credit is calculated based on family net income (line 236). The family gets the money which is neither reportable nor taxable. Similarly, the child tax benefit is calculated based on line 236. Again, it is neither reportable nor taxable. It’s this latter benefit which is really beneficial to families with several children as it is quite generous.

      Trudeau is correct in saying that a tax cut does not benefit those in tax brackets lower than the bracket being targeted. However, he forgets that there are programs to give extra benefits to a least some of those taxpayers. To be blunt, no-one should be paying income tax who is making less than $24,000 per year. It’s enough those in that bracket are stuck with serious CPP and EI deductions. Then there could be some form of relief such as the WITB which helps these lower-income people without destroying the incentive to work.

      Under the current regime, the tax rate was dropped to 20.5% from 21% for the second tax bracket (in 2017, between $45,916 – $91,831). This was on the individual T1. However, in the same income range – and this time on a family net income basis (good old line 236), the clawback on the child tax benefit was fairly vicious, resulting in families in that net income range being worse off than when the rate was 21% but the clawback less.

  7. Ask who was stupid enough to have voted for that idiot.
    Ask it loudly, in restaurants and bars.
    Ask it in the coffee room at work.
    Someone must know.

  9. Good thing poor people in Canada don’t heat their homes, or drive cars … otherwise, they might have to pay carbon taxes. Ohhhhh yeahhhhh … energy taxes are the MOST regressive taxes of all. They ONLY hurt poor people … and middle income people … and blue collar people.

    1. Good thing the poor people in Canada never buy anything, and have to pay BST, GST, HST, DEathT, etc etc ad nauseam.

      Mind you, a few of the poor people around here, and a lot who aren’t, don’t pay taxes – they just shoplift everything…

  10. (pssst, the TURDoo’s teleprompter hasn’t been set up in the temporary HoC yet)
    what an ungodly twit. what a paltry specimen.

    the name. it was the TURDoo name got him in.
    no? what if the ‘name’ was Wishkowitz? hmmm? that work for ya?

    sadly, I feel there is still a dreadful possibility of 4 more YEARS of this and who the f knows after that.
    let’s ask a cdn voter:ah well, just hoping t’ings’ll git better in Ottiway gotta give the pup a chance eh?
    the wife says if’n he dont get in then, ummm, I dont get ‘in’ either.

    where’s my beer? Martha, did the carbon tax rebate show up? carbon tax. heh.
    there’s enough carbon dioxide comin off my Molson’s to sink a used submarine.
    how about them Leafs?
    Martha ferfcuksake, what happened to my cbcbc?

  11. Trudolt’s tone when he’s yelling says “You stupid idiots in Parliament. You don’t know anything. I know everything. How many times do I have to tell you the facts.” So he demeans all of his listeners while smugly asserting his superiority. Does that actually work on Liberals?
    I wish him into the cornfield every single day.

  12. The only people in Canada that don”t pay taxes are government employe’s.Provincial gov’t employe’s don’t pay provincial tax and federal gov’t employe’s don’t pay federal tax. They are PAID by taxes and that’s the achillies heal of big gov’t.

    1. That’s just stupid. By that reasoning, an independent snow plow contractor paid by the government doesn’t pay taxes. I’m no fan of big government, but a small, efficient government (to some degree impossible) is still necessary. Unless you are an advocate for anarchy. So if you work, even if you are a public servant, you do pay taxes.

      1. Sorry, Bruce, but that’s wrong. You’re making the mistake of conflating “payroll deductions” with “paying taxes”. Public-sector workers never receive the money equated with their payroll deductions: it literally stays in the government coffers and has never existed outside that milieu, except as other people’s money. The public-sector workers just take home less of that sweet, sweet, taxation money than their salaries state.

        Private-sector workers also never see those deductions (contractors notwithstanding), but the difference is that the money used to pay their taxes actually existed prior to disappearing into the insatiable government maw.

        You could also think of it another way: if income taxation were reduced to zero, a private-sector employee’s take-home pay would increase significantly; a public-sector worker’s would vanish.

        1. Great reply, Marc; you nailed it proper.

          I like your ‘conflating “payroll deductions” with “paying taxes” ‘ line, and I think I’ll borrow that. And your “if income taxation were reduced to zero” thought was delightful. Gonna borrow that one, too.

          It might be of benefit to some to introduce the idea of “net income tax contributor” to clarify the difference between private and public employees. With this distinction, it follows that the only people who contribute income tax to fund the government (and its employees) are private sector employees; government employees cannot increase the income tax revenues because their salaries are already paid by the private sector. In other words, you cannot hire enough public employees to remove even one of them from the taxation placed on the private sector group. Ever.

          In Bruce’s example, taxes taken from the contractor’s plowing snow from non-government (private) clients would contribute net tax revenue, while those taken from government contracts would not. This is just another variation of Bastiat’s “Broken Window Theory”.

          To be sure, few people advocate for zero taxation, and many government employees are necessary and invaluable to a functioning society: police, firefighters, the military, and others whose roles would be impractical to farm out to private contractors. But even some of those roles have salaries that are justified only by strong-arm union tactics rather than any reasonable market value (Toronto police constable salaries approaching $100K/annum, for example). Of course, there is the enormous waste for excess government employees earning wages and benefits beyond those in similar private sector roles, that are ever-justified and often increased in number by self-interested bureaucracies and politicians wooing public sector union votes.

          mhb23re

        3. Ok, I’m no tax expert. But my main point is that it’s stupid to rail against public servants as if they are all parasites and evil. No doubt big government is bad and is to be avoided, but having no government is also bad; there is always government, so I assume as a society, we need it.

          1. I’m sure there are some nice people working in government. However, once they cross the line into defending government excesses and believing they’re not only entitled to their entitlements, but are entitled to more of them, they become parasites, regardless of their personalities. It’s a short hop from there to being evil. Keep in mind that everyone is the hero of their own story, especially the villains, most of whom are probably very loving to their families: they just hate everyone else.

            My view is that most of the excesses of government can be curtailed with a few mandatory restrictions:
            ….1) Anyone for whom a majority of their gross income comes directly from government should be disallowed from voting. Full stop. This includes contractors (such as defence and telecom), which would disenfranchise a LOT of employees. I don’t care how many non-government contracts a company has, this has to be applied at the corporate level, not the employee level. It would also disenfranchise those on social assistance, in prison, active-duty police and military, judges, lawyers, bureaucrats, subsidized press orgs, and so on.
            ….2) No government unions allowed. Full stop. Merit, rather than seniority, becomes the driving force.
            ….3) No expensing allowed for government employees or elected officials that wouldn’t be allowed for a small-business person. Full stop. As a corollary, no first-class travel, unless it’s literally the only option available due to time constraints.
            ….4) No government ownership of anything that a private business can operate. E.g., pipelines.
            ….5) Term limits, at all levels of government. Two, full stop (max ten years, depending on term length). Doesn’t matter if it’s a general election or a by-election.
            ….6) Elected or abolished senate. Full stop. Removes the need for a mandatory retirement age for the trough-suckers.
            ….7) Elected judiciary, and a better process for SCoC appointments.
            ….8) Enshrined castle doctrine, stand your ground doctrine, right to self defence (person or property) and defense of others (person or property–good neighbour stuff), rights to possess and carry arms (I’m OK with debating certain restrictions around some of this stuff, but at the base, it must all be present).

            I’m sure others can think of things to add, but if these eight things are done (or any five of them), I’m sure that nearly all government excesses disappear, but YMMV.

  13. Yeah, Yeah, he is a complete dolt. I think we all know that. But for those who in the past who have said “we could have had an astronaut!” , take a look behind Trudeau on his left – an astronaut! , with a PhD, space time, jet flying time – and looking and acting as doltish as his beloved leader. How disgusting is that?

    1. I too commented last Fall that Marc Garneau would have been great -but preferably on the Conservative side.

    2. “we could have had an astronaut”.
      By Liberal standards we do,obviously the Liberal Voter,especially the party members,cannot tell the difference between an astronaut and a space cadet.
      I will be voting Liberal,one more term of these clowns and Canada will shatter.
      Freeing the West,because right now staying in Canada is the losing proposition.
      With even more debt and less industry,more liberals,there will be no option to even discuss.

  15. I do taxes. Trudeau is full of crap. Besides, the poor certainly pay carbon taxes which affects them disproportionately.

    Is Trudeau admitting he doesn’t understand “poor people?” He doesn’t have to, we know he has no clue or care.

    1. He doesn’t care for little people and the taxes they pay for goods and services, which he has risen.

      Justin is a worthless little sh– who belongs in hell with his dad.

  16. M. Trudeau is talking only about income taxes of course. Whether his statement is true in the broad sense doesn’t really matter, however. He got a shot in at the conservatives that the enemedia can use on their newscasts. opinion columns and weekend TV politics shows.

  17. You can shake your head at that idiocy or you can do something to ensure that he and his worthless g-d- family never again live in this country or besmirch it with their arrogance and compete congenital idiocy.

  18. We can’t fix stupid but we can kick his arse to the curb later this year . I hope Scheer has what it takes to clean up the clown prince’s mess .

    1. I wish.

      I only hope Scheer has what it takes to enable us to kick trudeau to the curb. Cleaning up his liberal mess is Miracle #2 for 2019 and beyond. I fear that most Canucks would have trouble finding a printed dictionary, let alone look up and understand the meaning of “austerity” within.

      mhb23re

  19. This fool would have to take a two year course to get an idiots licence! God help this country if he gets another four years.

  20. A single self-employed taxpayer in Ontario earning $30,000 would owe $5,887. 27 in income tax and CPP premiums for 2018. That is a lot of tax for a low income earner.

    1. Trudeau would answer that person should consider marrying into greater poverty.
      Any family making more than $42K/year lost under the Grit napkin fake taxaction makeover program.
      Is that their poverty line from whence you pay, pay, pay? As Bill Clinton famously assured us, they only want “a little more.”
      Again and again; inevitably that becomes a lot more and if unchecked they’ll need to give themselves the authority to take it all.

  21. That clip only confirmed what 60% of the population that did not vote liberal already knew.
    The rest of the population that did are represented by team Sockmonkey.
    The only surprise is the media’s blatant refusal to notice this prior to Oct 2015.

  22. Are you people new?

    The Liberals own Canada.

    It’ll take 10 Adsca……….err….that thing nobody ever talks about, to get rid of the Spawn.

    Even a tragic plane crash just gives you Scheer,so Conservative he may agree to his own Post Birth Abortion to gain votes in Crybec.

    Canada………dead indeterminate genders walking.

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