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For the sake of Canada he better get it done. He’s taking on a lot of political risk.
Allan, how can he build it when factoring in the downstream emissions? It will fail that test just like Energy East did.
Please square that circle for me, as your media has no interest in doing so.
I do not get this downstream emissions. Even if the project is cancelled, some one else will provide the oil, hence “downstream” emissions are effectively the same. They are related to the consumer . . . not the seller. It is just another game being played by environmentalists.
If all projects were treated equally as they should, even in the nonsense emissions world, counting downstream and upstream would mean a doubling of the calculation of emissions. How long must this nonsense go on. Canada is not going to meet Paris numbers, because no country will impoverish itself over this junk science. The Russians and Europeans just fudged the base year when their economies were in the tank, but Chretien signed us on to Kyoto, but even he wasn’t stupid or crass enough to actually try to meet those ridiculous collectivist standards.
Sheer:
1. build all the pipelines, sell KM as soon as possible while protecting its value, state it will be done or he will not run as PM next election.
2. Play the Trudeau card, review all public spending and determine our true national priorities.
3. Phase out income taxes in favour of value added taxes. Get rid of all paralysis by analysis nonsense to keeps us from coming close to our potential as a nation.
3. Rejig and modernize the civil service, restore it’s integrity and get the politics out. Just say there will be zero layoffs over this process (let retirement attrition do required reductions for you).
4. Actually discuss trade with American instead of personing the barricades over sunshine clauses, gender parity and nonsense about fairness. Americans will act in their interests; if we sit on our hands, as I believe this government did and threaten a “trade war,” we will lose big time.
5. Put Canada on track to capitalize on the freed up American economy, assuming that holds, rather than trailing her and us griping about fair trade.
And much more, but be bold instead of pulling a Rob Ford trying to bluff his way through the ON election, leaving the NDP unscathed about their ridiculous spending or the fact big government got ON in her present mess. When will courageous politicians stand up. If you can handle the petty insults and attempts to ruin you, Trump has proved it can be done, but it won’t be easy – granted.
You’re going against an entrenched establishment with nowhere else beside government to turn to for their wealth, prestige and power. Take the example of CBC, if you threaten to shut them down, they will report on themselves ad nauseam, holding themselves up as the last remaining vestiges of collectivist culture. Take them on everywhere, don’t bother to debate them, they’re not interested, just defeat them, show the pubic how socialism starts out as moral and always goes to amoral and immoral, because that is at the heart of their ideology – immorality. Progressives and various other statists are cut from the same cloth, eventually they all call up the execution squads; it’s only a matter of when, not if.
in the meantime crush every attempt to increase our energy output. then import tens of thousands of third world welfare clients and wonder why we have increases in the so called greenhouse emissions. is everybody stupid?
The modern tactic of the environmentalists is to throw everything … EVERYTHING … against the wall in hope that something ‘sticks’. To be more precise, they wage blitzkreig LAWfare against every bit of fossil fuel industrialization.
A local example is a VOTE we have to make (this coming Tuesday) as to whether the citizens of my little town will ‘allow’ the city council to approve a condominium project that they’ve already approved. The NIMBY eco-insane clown posse found a judge to issue a ruling (via lawsuit – lawfare) that the INDIVIDUAL VOTERS must decide whether to approve the new condominiums. It beggars belief that the citizens of my little town are all now de facto Planning Commissioners because some eco-NIMBY group sued to STOP a much-needed housing development.
And do you know WHAT the primary argument is against the project? That it is located ‘adjacent’ to a freeway (about 500ft.) … which will spew so MUCH EPA-measured 2.5 micron (or some such nonsense) particulate matter … that all the future residents will surely DIE! Nevermind that our ENTIRE TOWN is built parallel to that same freeway (and yet people are not dying at an alarming rate … huh? … we should all be DEAD … according to the eco-scary EPA ‘studies’). Annnnnnnd … the developer is building FOR FREE … a community soccer field and dog park on the project site. Ohhhhhh mammmma … the eco-fraud lawwriers say … now the Developer wants to KILL CHILDREN (and pets) … by making them play next to alllllll those pollutants from the freeway (see: fraudulent EPA particulate matter ‘studies’).
Yes, LindaL … the Insane Eco-clown posse will throw any and all ‘arguments’ and lawfare lawsuits against ALL things … carbon. ALL things … petroleum. ALL things they … don’t like.
Exactly. Furthermore how do you determine the gender of the pipe and the diversity of the construction crews.
The pipelines are male and the oil wells are female.
I thought pipes were both male and female – depends on which end.
Half of them just have to declare themselves female and everything is okay.
Actually it’s worse than that. If a Canadian pipeline is required to account for downstream emissions, it will all too likely get double-counted. The nation receiving it will also have to account for the emissions from the vehicles that use the petroleum in its own national emissions inventory.
In essence, this is an impossible condition to meet except: 1 assume that all Canadian fossil fuel exports have all carbon converted to CO2, and 2 that these emissions become Canadian emissions regardless of where in the world they are burned.
Pointing out the idiocy and hypocrisy of downstream emissions above. What a joke his feet are not held to the fire on this.
It may be hypocrisy but it’s not idiocy from a Liberal partisan perspective. Bill C-69 cripples Alberta’s future economic prospects unless it has in place a government prepared to bend over for federal demands. Rachel Notley tried this and still got bitch-slapped. And a weakened Alberta in its principal resource petroleum means greater national weight and importance to Ontario-Quebec. Where are Liberal voters? NOT Alberta.
Understand further that western independence will NOT fix this. Western oil will remain landlocked and in the ground. It will NOT get a pipeline through the US, and it will NOT find relief from the current price discount. There is only one feasible way out of this, and that’s Stephen Harper’s route: Conservative majority government that includes only two of the Laurentian provinces as part of the coalition.
The longer term way out of this is that Liberal policies continue for a decade or so just as did PET. The economic crumble of lost manufacturing continues until they get swept out of office in a catastrophe such as crushed John Turner in 1984. By then however we will be a much poorer and impoverished nation.
Shut up. The west leaving Canada, at the very least, means an end to equalization. NO MORE MONEY TO ONTARIO. NO MORE MONEY TO QUEBEC. That in and of itself is all I need. Any other benefit is gravy for the biscuit wheels on that train.
“Shut up”
Thanks for your concession speech.
time for the army to be used to control all civil disorder. get rid of the commies.
If the sake of Canada was any concern of turdo la doos’, the pipeline would have been going full steam long ago. Frankly Scarlett, he doesn’t give a damn.
How can you put so much faith In the DUMMY RIVER RAFTing PART TIME DRAMA TEACHER? He has done nothing to suggest he has any idea what he is doing, unless it’s dressed in drag, or its an Arabic scrawl.
Of course not – he’s just happy about blowing $4.5 billion of our tax dollars. Here come da’ carbon tax; he really needs it now…
He’s not blowing $4.5billion of our tax dollars to buy out Kinder Morgan. The federal government has been running a deficit since he took office and he has declared intent to continue running larger deficits. So he’s going to blow $4.5billion borrowed dollars on the purchase, and blowing our taxes will come later, paying it back with a lot of interest over a long time.
And that’s just to buy what already exists. Much more will be borrowed to pay for any attempt to build the new extension and upgrade existing facilities to use the additional capacity, even though it is unlikely to ever be completed. And more will be borrowed for the costs of establishing a new crown corporation to mismanage all this and the cost of inadequate security that will fail to protect the construction activities from protests obstructing and from vandals sabotaging the work. (There will be civil servants who participated in the clusterf*ck Phoenix pay system appointed to that new crown corporation, because they have “project management” experience.
Even if Trudeau intends to build it, it will get so wrapped in red tape that it won’t happen.
But should the Conservatives return to power next election, they can force it through while claiming that they’re just implementing Justin’s idea. Then once it’s up and running, sell off the pipeline to the private sector.
President of the new Republic of Canada gives first State of the Union address
The first Canadian State of the Union speech since the Canadian dissolution of the foreign owned ruling class controlled Parliamentary system for a citizen controlled republic system has taken place. President Ezra Levant outlined a ten point plan to usher in a period of Canadian dominance of world financial and resource markets. His plan states that,
1. Canadians are no longer subservient to an effete foreign Monarchy and their entrenched Ruling Class who literally and legally owned Canada and everything in it. Canada is now a Republic and the citizens will directly vote for and elect any and all executive positions in government. All Constitutional power now rests with the Canadian people.
2. Canada will no longer honor any treaty with so-called First Nations and the Province of Quebec. Treaty Indians will be given 5 years to purchase their reservation lands and after that they will go to open auction. Any and all treaty monies and set-aside deals regarding casinos and natural resources are forthwith cancelled.
3. Canada will eliminate and outlaw all income taxes. Revenue will be developed through fees, royalties and sales taxes only. Canadian governmental tax revenue at all levels combined shall never exceed 10% of GDP. Transfer equalization payments between Provinces are hereby outlawed.
4. Canada will eliminate all social spending and programs and outlaw the usurpation of taxpayer funds to partisan causes of social spending. Canada’s aim is to become a titan of free market laissez faire economics and will utterly reject the malignant Euro-style social welfare economic model.
5. Socialized medicine will be outlawed. Canada will soon be the beacon of research and development in the field of medicine. Massive deregulation will occur of this sector resulting in a groundswell of R&D activity and free market solutions for patients.
6. Canada will devote 20% of our budget to military enterprise. Canada will become a first rate producer of military hardware, spacecraft and systems through aggressive free market liberalization of our economy. We expect Canada’s military to be one the best equipped, best funded and most benevolent forces for peace in the world.
7. Canada will adopt the English language as its only legal official language. The metric system will be become voluntary and its mandatory implementation will be struck from Canadian law.
8. Immigration will be on hold for the foreseeable future except for the following countries, USA, Britain and other eastern European countries. Immigration from 3rd world countries and Muslim predominant nations will be forbidden.
9. Canadians will be free to arm themselves vis au vis the new Constitution thereby assuring the people can rise up in armed revolt to counter the forces domestic and internationally to usurp her power. Never again will the Canadian people be regarded as subservient to government power.
Many of us remember what happened with the Mackenzie Valley pipeline over 40 years ago.
The PET government had absolutely no intention of seeing it built, but didn’t come out and say so. Instead, it resorted to the Berger Commission and its hokey recommendations to kill the project.
Then the NEP was inflicted upon us, which removed any incentive to continue exploration in the Beaufort Sea, and the reason to build the pipeline evaporated.
We’re going to see history being repeated with Kinder Morgan.
You’re absolutely correct. Trudeau’s scheme is a cash for clunkers, liberal cuck up.
Exactly B A. –
I’ll take this one step further. I’ll bet they’ll declare the 1953 pipeline now unsafe and shut down all oil flow. Remember, this isn’t Justin pulling these levers, it’s G Butts. He wants to see Western Canadian oil remain in the ground.
That’s been Buttshead’s intention all along. Remember how he said that we don’t need an alternate route for the pipeline (or something like that), but an alternate economy?
Now theres a possibility I had not Considered….ALL too possible….
I’ve been of the mind that when Jason becomes Premier, he will kill the Carbon Tax…the Feds then will say, OK…and Kill KM.
Oh..? You want that pipeline…fine BUT Carbon Tax stays & now is set at $150-200 Ton.
Expect this to cost Albertans mucho dinero…expect ~$ 2.25/Litre gas – 35-40% increases in Home Heating fuels – Increases in Food costs..tayadda.
Joining Montana would be far cheaper.
Spouse was working up in the area in minerals exploration at the time. Company always hired locals, and spouse equally always made a point of making them feel part of the team. Take brought home was that there was a lot of disappointment in the native community; they didn’t want the project stopped, just re-structured to be of more benefit to them and to provide training for their young men so they could work on the project.
I cannot see anyway the environmental compliance would be transferable to a new owner . I believe the pipeline has effectively been stopped for the foreseeable future. At the same time the claim will be every possible thing has been done to proceed with this project . This is all about votes . I have no solid facts , but I believe this is what has taken place . Time will tell.
This is a very complicated area. Environmental assessments are based on project definitions under the Environmental Assessment Act, not the proponent. As best I know, it becomes the Minister’s decision as to whether or not transfer to another proponent constitutes a new project (hence, redo the EA all over again). If there is any lack of clarity in the regulations, this will have to be determined by the Governor in Council and then tested by lawsuit.
So if the federal government simply determines that the previous EA applies, then those opposed to the pipeline will sue, insisting that a new EA has to be done. The government is in a weak position to resist such a suit, as it has introduced C-69 to establish a new EA process. The project cost risk here is enormous. The government cannot start construction until any and all court cases resulting from all this have been resolved. In previous lawsuits over EAs, typically the string of lawsuits has dragged out for 5-8 years.
Next, the federal government’s new legislation on EA requires a first set of hearings on the so-called social licence. This set of hearings comes first, NOT in parallel. Unlike the technical assessment, this one has no time limit, and it is where things like traditional knowledge, gender effects, and so on are considered.
Finally, EAs have no regulatory power. All that happens at the end is that the review panel submits a report. It is at the Minister’s discretion as to whether or not it is accepted. In the current case of the Ontario DGR, the current Minister of Environment and Global Warming has delayed the project for two years after receipt of the review panel report. She did so simply by demanding more information she claimed was not covered in the report.
If such is the case, no, the pipeline will not be built within the lifetimes of any of us. In the regulatory atmosphere I’ve outlined above (and only a very small part), if something has to go through a full review panel assessment nothing will ever be built ever again without the government granting large exemptions. No investor would ever risk capital given such easy potential for delay by decades.
“So if the federal government simply determines that the previous EA applies, then those opposed to the pipeline will sue, insisting that a new EA has to be done.”
The government would be wise to legislate that the existing environmental assessment applies and that such enabling legislation has precedence, is passed notwithstanding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and any appellant must be assessed damages for any delay.
Scar, maybe, but only the notwithstanding clause trumps everything. Doesn’t matter what fancy language you put in, if notwithstanding is not referenced, a Charter suit probably supercedes everything if a court grants it standing. And these feds won’t do any of that because, as we all know, they don’t want any pipelines built. Hence you will never see bulldozers vs. Raging Grannies, not while this government is in office.
Don’t bother replying to morons. The simple facts are this:
Moe does not want pipeline.
Notely does not want.
Horgan does not want.
Trudeau does not want.
All they want is the appearance of wanting.
For example, if I was premier of Saskatchewan, I would have simply put bullets in the heads of the BC delegation at that recent meeting. Horgan is the largest barrier, Horgan needs to be removed. That is what someone who actually wanted a pipeline would have done.
No, I think Notley does want at least one pipeline built. She’s not a true-blue believer in them, but she does grasp that her very tenuous grip on power in AB depends upon it. She likely got read a riot act by the industry & the bankers at some point during her tenure here about the facts on the ground.
Any other pipeline in any other province, she likely opposes. But this one, in her province, she needs. Badly.
Ask yourself these questions; If the oilsands were in Quebec:
1. would we have pipelines coast to coast?
2. would we allow provinces to import oil from overseas?
3. would the government tolerate selling oil to the USA at a big discount?
here are my opinions: 1. yes, pipelines to both coasts. 2. no, imports of oil would be tolerated. 3. absolutely not.
4. Would K-bec make the ROC pay a premium? Oh yeah. Distinct society oil is better.
Stephen LeDrew, the nattily dressed lawyer giving this analysis is, a prominent Liberal, and a past president of the Liberal Party. He lost a co-host position on CP24 TV, because he did an interview on Fox News.
interesting…
I agree. When a prominent Liberal like LeDrew turns on you it is telling. I suspect that there are more hiding in the wings and LeDrew is just more publicly vocal about the grade nine class running the country.
They fired him because he did an interview with Fox? We are as bad as the UK.
When bongo entertained a free trade deal with the chicoms a coupla years back one of the chicoms first demands was a pipeline to the coast. They had after all made two significant investments in the oil sands, the first in 2009 and then the Nexen purchase (2013) for 15 billion.
Harper had passed a bill (2013) called: The Canada China Foreign Investment & Promotion Act. This Act guarantees a pipeline to the coast. This Act was never voted on in the HoC but it fits seamlessly into the librano plan. The libranos embrace all things chicom.
The chicoms feel like they were snookered on the Nexen deal – that they paid too much. They also haven’t been able to get oil sands product to the coast and China. If Canada can’t deliver we will soon be facing a law suit in the billions not unlike the suit Trans Canada initiated against the US when Obama cancelled KXL.
The libranos are motivated to get this done. They want to be seen favourably by their friends the chicoms and now that we have fallen out of favour with our closest most trusted friends the Americans I think bongo will double down in his effort to appease the chicoms.
Interesting thesis. We will see who holds more sway to the fence sitting Fiberals, what they owe their commie Chinese comrades, or, their political pals of convenience, the lazy natives, Qbecers, Greentards and the mediots.
Beer and popcorn. The Fibs have really boxed themselves in, no surprise considering the idiots in charge!
Not that national security has ever had much influence on the Liebels but how can they walk away from a pipeline that reasserts Canadian economic diversification? If Canada wants to chart a independent course from the USA the pipeline is a prime avenue. If our fathers and grandfathers could see what Canada has turned into after their sacrifice in WWII they would weep. The current leadership is an epitome of what is wrong with this country. Sadly they represent a large percentage of the population.
You watch when it fails after billions upon billions more spent it will
All be stephen harpers fault.
Good gawd liberals and ndp in ontario are still blaming mike harris,
Liberals cannot own up to the fact that when projects go wrong its always
Someone elses fault.
Last night in Victoria there was a demonstration in support of the BC governments plan to block the KM pipeline. About 700 demonstrators if the MSM are to be believed. 700 loonie-tunes on parade to stop the pipeline and I’ll bet the farm that these same 700 will be the first in line when the increase cost of fuel drives the cost of everything they consume up the wall and they will then be striking for more welfare money.
Victoria is chalk full of bureaucrats and retired bureaucrats so those numbers sound correct.
Yes, the Greentards live in a nice sheltered world here, far from reality. They are to be understood for what they are, ignorant NIMBYs
The twinning of the pipeline will never happen, not under Heinrich Himmler Butts and his gay retarded friend, Justard. Giving taxpayer cash to KM was a stunt, a go away and stop giving us deadlines payoff. On the day of the KM payoff Justard was nowhere to be seen, not that the Media cared or anything as they knew Justard was in rehearsals learning his “steel@aluminum tarriffs talking points”, the Media receive the Telford/Butts written script the next day and Justard and the Media perform their act in front of the cameras… Justard acts, but doesn’t get asked about his hush money payoff to KM. Remember how excited Mutley and the NDPee were when the payoff was announced…? Mutley knows the 4.5 billion was a payoff to NOT build the pipeline. Butts and his half witted friend Justard have never had any intention of building this pipeline or any pipeline, unless it benefits Queerbek. Now, if Justards commie handlers in China want that pipeline built for their own benefit than things will change quite quickly. Justard would never let his favorite dictatorship go without, plus it would piss off the Americans.
Good points Sean.
I think Red and the ndpee were celebrating because their chances for re-election just went up.
The libranos telegraphed their intentions to purchase KM. Knowing this KM set the bar very high but that was of little consequence to the libranos. They probably over paid by a coupla billion….but who cares? It’s only taxpayers money. Down the road if they can find a corporation to purchase this mess I’m betting the taxpayers are going to take it in the shorts.
The chicom connection to the libranos is deep. Think Mao Strong, da liddle thief, Power Corp…the list goes on. The chicoms know what they’re up against with bongo. They’ll be putting pressure on from behind the scene through chretien and the quebek boys. The chicoms are not going to sit back forever.
There is a lot at stake. The next election is in play. Quebek is against pipelines – unless there is something in it for them. The lower mainland is a librano stronghold. Bongo can’t afford to pissoff that base. I don’t think bongos charm is going to carry him in the ’19 election.
One more thing. Not satisfied with nationalizing a pipeline the libranos picked up a railroad as well. The Churchill Manitoba railroad is now owned but us Canucks and some aboriginal partners.
Doubles all around!
No one should be surprised by this.
Sockmonkey said he wanted to phase out the oil industry.
Sockmonkey was told by KM to remove the political obstructions to building the expansion.
Tell a liberal to come up with a political solution and they jump to one that addresses their problem and present said solution as one that speaks for all canadians.
The fact is this only removes KM from the issue, but the obstruction to the expansion, the only one the liberals had bet on, is still there, its still adamant to stop the build, and his actions have only emboldened them because he won’t do whats needed and everybody knows it.
The reason is he is too chicken $hit to forcibly remove the protesters.
I can’t keep up with the daily shittiness of Canadian politics. It’s unbelievable.
Its a real shit show isn’t it.
PM Dressup is about as useful as t*ts on a bull and about as smart as a post. The ‘leader’ of the country? What a load of bull spunk. He’s never been an alpha male even when he was teeching kids jack sh*t. He thinks he’s some alpha now because 40% of Canadians are retarded neo-Marxists. He pretends to be the bull-goose looney in a closed-door meeting with flabby old farts and tubby crazy lawyer women but of course he pretends he’s not gay. He’s a substandard man, a flaming narcissist and a global embarrassment. But its his dishonesty that might be his worse characteristic.
“He thinks he’s some alpha now because 40% of Canadians are retarded neo-Marxists. ”
Got some news for you, Buddy. Somewhere between 60 and 68 percent of Canadians can be relied upon to vote Liberal, NDP, or Green.
Take care of you and yours.
For sure you’re right.
I was just trying to be positive.
Cheers.
Canadians have to remember that Trudeau did not campaign on some of the things that he is doing. Shades of Maurice Duplessis perhaps? Next thing you know he’ll enact the Padlock Law, and shut us from speaking against HIS Commie ways. Coming to a theatre near you!
An interesting read: ” Duplessis”
Author: Conrad Black
Publisher: McClelland & Stewart, 1977
So, we buy up a US backed, separate entity from the parent US pipeline company, a Canadian pipeline company, formed & tasked to build a pipeline in Canada, hire on all the personnel that worked there to put together a pipeline Crown Corporation that just has it’s employees sit at a desk collecting a paycheck & a pension, w/o building a pipeline, it’s primary purpose? For $4.5 BILLION funny money? The current .gov of Alberta might be happy with this, but the next one won’t, sometime next year if no pipe is being laid by then.
KM’s line to Burnaby is needing replacement regardless, or there will be fatigue breaks in this old pipeline down the road. Whether its a naturally occurring shutdown or an Alberta induced shutdown, BC & Seattle area still need crude shipped down a pipeline to run their local economies. Seattle gets some of it’s crude from Alaska (for how long?) but there is no US based pipeline currently laid to supply US sourced crude into the Seattle area. Mountains, see. It all comes down Kinder Morgan pipe from Canada. Big US military bases to supply, a US based aircraft manufacturer & 3.8 million people (just slightly less than the 4.8 million in all of BC). The Yanks don’t like to be “national security” impacted on strategic materials (see latest steel & aluminum tariffs & really think about why they are doing this), so this pipeline is gonna be built, one way or another.
The Yanks are already getting a deal on Canadian crude, better than what they are paying for their own production. None of this dilbit crude is going to China, the tankers are too small to make that pay for anyone, especially the Chinese. Notorious cheapskates. The US are motivated though, despite some certain US parties that weren’t/aren’t & acted to spike any progress on expansion, but then they didn’t win the last election. I expect a modicum of arm twisting from Washington will get things in motion, now that the US player in this has been sidelined & it’s a fully Canadjian enterprise. NAFTA. NAFTA. NAFTA. On top of that, who is supplying the steel pipe? I’ll bet it’s lined up & probably sitting in storage as I type. KM was angling to get things started right quick before they smelled a rat, called the BC NDP.
Yes, you hit the ball right out of the park ……PO
interesting take on it!
Further to my previous post: Gateway was the exit to Asia, in VLCC-sized tankers, 250,000-350,000dwt, from a natural deep water port. Double to triple the size of the Aframax tankers berthing in Burnaby these days. Aframax are 80,000-120,000dwt tankers, similar to those shipping crude from Venezuela to Texas & up the east coast, as far as Saint Johns NB. They are short to medium haul tankers, not really designed for Pacific or Atlantic crossings & they are higher draft loaded to get into & under some tight spots around the continent. They can “fit” the Panama Canal system, too. Again, size (economics) matters for FOB prices. Economies of scale are critical for FOB prices of “finished product”. That’s gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel & variations higher or lower in the chemical chains of refinery cracks, including lubricants. No lubricants, wheel bearings don’t roll very well. We don’t need mega refineries in Canada, because we can’t produce finished product cheaper than mega refineries do in Texas for our use. We are a small market & that is why we’ve closed most of our refining capacity. It was small, local & as operating costs increased, they became inefficient producers compared to what could be produced in some of the largest refineries in the world.
Gasoline has a “shelf life”, so shipping it across oceans isn’t a good idea, that’s why Aframax tankers are used to move some finished products around coastal North America, but pipelines are ideal & custom loaded for various products & they can deliver faster to a ready market, just about anywhere there is a pipeline to a tank farm. Kinder Morgan shipped custom loads of gasoline, jet fuel, diesel & crude to Burnaby for the Vancouver/Lower Mainland market & crude to the Seattle area, while custom loads could also be shipped down pipe to places like Kamloops, to be delivered to the interior of BC via truck. If we couldn’t do so, you could not afford the required fuel prices to operate in some parts of this country.
I’ve worked in various parts of the petroleum industry for about 45 years, from pumping it into your car, working on tankers themselves on the Great Lakes/St Lawrence/east coast, carrying “finished products” to tank farms & finally drilling some 350 oil & gas wells from Manitoba to NE BC & plenty of points in between. Petroleum products drive our economy & until someone, somewhere discovers a better, price competitive, easily portable “fuel” to replace it & the products that are produced from it like plastics of one sort or another, we are going to need to keep exploring, drilling, producing & pipe lining petroleum products for quite a while yet. Anyone spouting off about “low carbon”, or “zero carbon” societies when most life on this planet is “carbon based”, including humans, isn’t thinking rationally. Luddites at best.
Great info. From what I can read there isn’t much refining capacity in B.C. so that province must be importing a lot of finished petroleum product. Washington State has several refineries, they import over 50% of their crude from Alaska and they are looking at crude-by-rail to top up their imports.
The governor of WA is a Whoregan supporter. The G&M has an article today stating WA State is opposed to the KM bailout. In February they killed the crude by rail proposal. At the present time they are not in favour of the KM expansion.
I find POAB comments interesting and they make sense but the chicoms have some skin in this game and they count – especially to the librano braintrust who are beholden to them.