Try, Try, Try and Try again.
So, 2005, 2009, 2012*, and now 2014. I noted 2012 because while along the same lines as the others, C-51 didn’t really allow warrant-less search and seizure.
h/t, Spinal Tap
In a humour related theme, the 2005 thread contains this nugget.
Let me put it like this, to give some perspective. If anyone down here in the U.S. (land of the much-maligned Patriot Act) proposed this type of legislation, they would never be elected to any political office again. As we say down here, “He couldn’t be elected dog catcher.”
Umm, yeah….
The twatter brigade of idiots will descend once again and vanquish the evil concept of actually bringing in hard and fast rules around what’s currently unregulated practice of obtaining information from telecommunication providers. In other words the twits will ironically win the fight against this supposed assault on their privacy in order to keep the status quo which as it stands now allows virtually any information to be obtained with no oversight.
Amazing how versatile the bullying Trojan horse is. Covers everything from grade school children putting condoms on cucumbers, to furthering the gay agenda, to controlling hate speech (opinions) on the internet, and branching out to anything the government might find interesting on any citizen and finally leading to asset seizure of private property by any bureaucrat with a sense of self importance (most of them). Still pushed with the same soothing words “trust us, we’re from the government”. It’s government that’s pushing this Trojan horse and government we need protection from.
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I was just looking at some Thomas Jefferson quotes. Too many to mention which speaks volumes in so little words on why the governments arms should be amputated.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt the Younger
If Harper wants an anti cyber bullying bill, pass a damn anti cyber bullying bill making it illegal to cyber bully. Don’t add enforcement mechanisms in the fine print that have nothing to do with cyber bullying but everything to do with removing judicial oversight and expanding government monitoring of its citizens. Any public or peace officer which includes government scientists,government pilots, government managers, your local reeve or mayor, your local town administrator etc etc can request ISP data on you to see who you are pertaining to any activity you do on the internet including here in the comment section under the new rules of this bill. Previously, those public and peace officers were virtually barred from obtaining the data because they would have no reason to conduct an investigation. Post a comment critical or exposing wrongdoing by federal provincial or local officials or employees in your town, well the mayor or reeve or any other agency could request your ISP data, and find out who you are, then use the powers of their office to bludgeon or harass you into silence. Obama does this all the time. Most countries have provisions in their constitutions that provide the public with the right to be free from “unreasonable” search and seizure. This right is generally based on the premise that everyone is entitled to a reasonable right to privacy. As technology encompasses and integrates more and more of our daily lives through our electronic devices, it seems Harper is taking advantage of that fact by not protecting us from unreasonable search and seizure in our use of these new devices, and in fact is moving in the opposite direction. If we wanted Trudeau lite we would vote for Trudeau lite.
“If we wanted Trudeau lite we would vote for Trudeau lite.”
Trudeau lite will be running in the next election and if he is the future we will see much more encroachment on our liberties as he is a great admirer of Obama and his policies. We must raise a little hell with all our MLA’s to insure this “new improved” legislation sticks to a simple bill without all the garbage mentioned in your (excellent) post. We should make it clear it will be a election issue.
Agreed, there should be better legal framework for obtaining records. My take is that in the current “anything goes” situation, government and ISPs may be vulnerable to lawsuits thus the bill’s contents are indicative of ongoing practices they wish to legally continue. It could be that lawsuits haven’t yet occurred because legal professionals are mainly shameless whores who, even if they were willing to work for an unsure payday, don’t hold traditional views on privacy, free speech, private property, etc. And just how many fiscally-conservative-yet-socially-liberal Canadians would truly oppose legislation protecting them from being called stupid cunts on the internet.. so there’s that.
I am honoured and thrilled at getting a h/t. How nice of lance.
Funny how the Harper government has to ‘govern for all Canadians’ when it needs an excuse for why C-68 can’t get repealed or government spending cut, but on issues like this and MJ they suddenly find their spine. It’s as if Harper’s just a petty authoritarian.
Well said.
Two well respected lawyers, Alan Shanoff and Solomon Friedman, have written articles raising concerns about Bill C-13. Both suggest that it crosses the line by providing too low a standard with regard to police being permitted to conduct searches. I hope you will read both articles if you haven’t already. Links to them are below.
Right to Know: Bill C-13 — cyber-bullying or legislative bullying? by Solomon Friedman
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Right+Know+Bill+cyberbullying+legislative+bullying/9257920/story.html
Online crime bill needs a review by Alan Shanoff
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/12/06/online-crime-bill-needs-a-review
With reference to the article by Solomon Friedman, my interpretation of the difference between “reasonable grounds to believe” and “reasonable grounds to suspect” is as follows. It is the difference between a search warrant signed by a judge and a warrantless search conducted by a police officer.
More expansion of the police state an more gaslighting of the public – “trust us – it’s not like we ever abued authority or betrayed public trust before”
Reply to big brother – only we we know what’s good for us and more government abuse ain’t it!
I ran into a patch of cyber-bullying a few yrs back.
The creeps doing the bullying were..kops.
Edward Teach is my real name, dontcha know…
“It’s as if Harper’s just a petty authoritarian.”
Could be. Or possibly, given that this is happening in Britain, and America, and Australia, and Germany, and France, and literally everywhere that governments can afford to buy the gear for it, it might be that entrenched bureaucracies of the West have a major hard-on for ubiquitous electronic surveillance because its powerful and cheap and they really really want it like a junkie wants crack.
Its not a politically popular thing, for sure. Look what happened to Vic Toews. He’s out.
You can whine all you like about Harper, but the truth of the matter is that a Liberal majority would have passed this already, and nobody would even know about it. The ONLY reason we know this time is that the media are taking an opportunity to make the CPC look bad. If it was Chretien or Mr. Dithers running the show they wouldn’t have said squat.
I’m starting to wonder if Harper came out hard against this, he might suffer an “accident” or something. Large powers want it.
Well said @ 1:46.
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do with the approval of their own conscience.”
C. S. Lewis, God in the Dock (Eerdmans)
George Washington on freedom of speech
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” ~ George Washington
Surprise surprise the PMO Palace Guard is here to re-assign blame to The Bureaucracy (TM). The Leader does not make bad decisions, he just has bad advisors.
You are aware that it is HARPER that pushed for this right? He only let go of Toews because he was clownish beyond parody…and gets to be a judge instead.
How do you know it was Harper that pushed for this ? Any links ?
I think the “coincidence” of ALL governments Pogrom of cyber surveillance of their citizens is a much more likely and demonstrable scenario Phantom – better not be so reasoning and observant or you’ll be branded as a “conspiracy nut” when you get too close to the truth.
The fear that government will abuse power is only natural for the skeptical.
But the horse left the barn on internet privacy and security the day the networks were made open to public access.
Not all the laws you can imagine would enable any authority to enforce privacy and so they do what they must, legitimize survey surveillance by the state.
If you want privacy stop using the internet or learn how to create secure private connections and live with the limitations of that environment.
If you want the kind of wide open access you have now then forget about privacy because it does not and cannot exist in the current web world.