No charges were filed against the Muslim who tried to break into the cockpit of American Airlines flight out of New York. If he were Christian or Jew, he’d be behind bars. More sharia. – Pamela Geller Atlas Shrugged
Saudi passenger disrupts flight bound for Indianapolis
INDIANAPOLIS – Federal authorities are probing the actions of a Saudi Arabian man who tried to get into the cockpit of an American Airlines flight to here.
Indianapolis Airport police said Abdulaziz Mubarak Alshammari, 20, was pulled away from the cabin door by another passenger a half hour before Flight 1936 from New York to Indianapolis International Airport landed at about 10 p.m. Wednesday.
Alshammari, who said he is a student at the University of Indianapolis, appeared confused when flight attendants and police questioned him, according to a police report. Investigators photocopied a note Alshammari wrote in Arabic while on the plane.
Scott Hall, a spokesman for the University of Indianapolis, said the school has no record of Alshammari being a student there.
No charges were filed.
pilot >
Would love to continue banter, but your right way off topic and I gotta bolt before this most excellent day gets away on me.
🙂 Cheers.
OZ,
Thats a bit of a stretch. The pilot-in-command would have no way of knowing his visa status or student status. He was a passenger, and in the pilot’s opinion, he did not pose a significant risk to safety. Hence, no charges were pressed. The police can continue to investigate it, but it is very unlikely that he’ll be charged for what happened on the plane, because he never actually posed a threat on it, according to the one man on the plane who matters – the captain.
As for him “likely” not wanting the plane to land – that is a laughable assertion. His point of entry into the US was New York. He cleared customs there. His visa was checked there. NYC-Indianapolis would have been a domestic leg. That kind of blows a massive hole in your assertion that he “likely wasn’t planning on the plane landing at all”, not least because he apparently realised that he didnt want the plane to land/documents to be scrutinized AFTER his plane landed, his visa got checked, and he boarded another plane.
The lie apparently wasn’t found out at customs in NYC. And he wouldn’t face customs at Indianapolis. And it still hasn’t been found out by the looks of it.
Pilot,
Thank you for your answer. I think I see what you are trying to say, thanks.
Though I do not accept the story about jet lag, or that he had previous connections before flight. I understand what you are saying about the pilot and crew not seeing him as a non-threat – it was their call.
“If he’s lied about the rest, he should face the consequences ….”
This is where we fully agree. This is what the story is about … also that he tried to open cockpit door, was noticed, stopped and reported … he lied to authorities. There is no reason he should walk free, unless the authorities will watch him like a hawk, bug his communication, see who he contacts; and if one thing is out of place … arrest him, convict him and throw him in the general population of an American federal penitentiary – they know how to take care of such people.
Personally I think he should still be under investigation, and if he broke even one law, he should be deported to his point of origin – if he was not an American – and placed on the no fly list.
I read Oz’s comments, and agree with him. “The lies create a context for the”non-event in the air” and raise it to the level of a event.”
Though it boils down to what the pilot reported concerning what happened in the air. It is the “impression” of what he did that is judged.
After hearing a self professed pilot going out of his way to belittle a rational fear and carry water for a lying Islamic, “confused” “flight stressed” midflight door testing “student”… who feels more confident about flying?
Anyone…hello,…. is this thing on?
Testing 123
Davenport you dumb tw_t! We do not fear Muslims, we fear Islam and its bloody jihad. We should fear Islam. Anyone in their right mind, knowing the 1400 year history of “the Religion of Peace” fears Islam. But more than that, we fear useful idiots such as yourself, who would invite the vampire in, so to speak.
The American Airlines flight from JFK to IND that lands at 10:00 PM is FLT 4305, which is a Embraer ERJ-145. This airplane only has a galley in the front with the lav in the rear.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_Embraer_ERJ-145.php
It was a dry run to see how hard it would be to get into the cockpit. This is much like the dry run the 911 terrorists made prior to the real thing.
I’m finding it hard to believe that there isn’t some further background checking on this guy.
“The status of Christians and Jews who lived in Spain during the period of Islamic rule has been a subject of controversy. Islamic religious doctrine from the onset clearly state that other monotheistic faiths had to be tolerated. In this period of history, tolerance was rare and invaders normally expelled or murdered existing populations without question[citation needed]. Even though some Islamic rulers did not always follow the dictates of their own religion, there is plenty of evidence[which?] to prove that overall the majority in the Iberian peninsula did so, the strongest is the persistence of large Jewish and Christian communities throughout the era of Islamic rule.
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“There was a brief period of Christian persecution in the 8th century.[4] Regardless, compared to the treatment of minorities in European kingdoms during that time period, the Muslims were generally much more tolerant[citation needed].”
Source: Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Spain
pilot: “Some washroom doors, particularly of the sliding variety, can baffle first-time fliers. I have seen it first hand. They don’t look like doors. The cockpit door is typically the only door that does look like a door. If I was pilot-in-charge, I wouldn’t read much into it, let alone press charges.”
If sliding doors don’t look like doors, then why the hell don’t the airlines clearly mark the washrooms with signs that say Washroom Door? If security is at risk because the damned doors are neither clearly marked nor obvious doors, then airlines should make sure they are clearly marked.
How hard can this be? Common sense?
Theres many more news stories with details now.
The Indianapolis Star says he was a student at a language institution called Internexus Indianapolis, which provides english training to students (including Saudi students) before they are sent to the university. By most accounts, he went from the front to the back to the front looking for a door and did not resist when he was led away.
The ERJ was not equipped with a closed circuit tv. When he tried to open the door, a door warning light went off in the cockpit. This would be reported to HQ – all warning lights are.
He did not, apparently, speak much english and was difficult to understand.
My own hunch is that his papers checked out – he is a student with an institution affiliated with U of I.
Thats really the only explanation for letting him go in the end, imho.
batb,
I have no idea why airlines dont mark the doors in an explicit way, but for whatever reason, they are an odd design. They can be especially intimidatiing to first time travellers from around the world. Sometimes even folk around here don’t can’t figure out how to lock the doors, resulting in fairly embarrasing moments.
Pilot thanks for the benefit of your knowledge and experience.
What I find most enlightening, and what causes me concern, is how much judgement can apparently be exercised by a pilot who is locked in the cockpit in this kind of a circumstance. I would have thought there would have been more mandatory protocols to be followed. I don’t agree with those jumping to conclusions here because I don’t think there is enough information, but I’m truly surprised at the amount of discretion available.
Let’s hope the guy’s name is now on a surveillance list.
Davenport I don’t fear them, but I do hate them.
Oddly enough if I have to take a squirt, after drinks in a foreign “language” pub, I head to a door with no markings on it.
Why am I finding the argument that it’s difficult to find the washroom on an aiplane somewhat spurious? Even if so, the argument doesn’t compute that in one’s difficulty, the door to the cockpit would be confused for the washroom door. Regardless of washroom location, the cockpit is ALWAYS located in the same place. I know that Islam is backasswards but even Saudi, Pawkistawni and Iranian planes are built with this in mind. The cockpit is at the pointy end.
I think a lot of folks here are missing the obvious.
1. Interview (stall) the suspect while the Feebs set up the necessary warrant to monitor this young man in every way imaginable.
2. Let him walk without any charges, and see what he does next. If we’re lucky, the Feds end up discovering a whole new cell of nitwits with delusions of grandeur.
3. Kick ass and take hyphenated names when prudent.
Cheers,
The Worm
Pilot, I’m willing to grant what you have posted. However, if he was confused or used to narrow-bodied planes, could he not have asked for assistance?
And as for this tiresome “racist” nonsense so often belted out by the trolls, just stop. I’ve yet to hear how Islam is a race or hear of a group of Mormons commandeering a plane.
Even the most retarded camel jockey would know that a door straight ahead in the tube is the cockpit door and the ones to the left and right are where you drop trou and pray to allah.
Did not plan to make my original post then vanish – but had a wonderful weekend in Banff with my wife. Just got home.
I fly once every couple of years; usually long distance through customs. My last trip, I led the way down the stairs; my wife called me so I turned around and went back to meet her; alarms going off everywhere so I stood there until security questioned me – realized an honest mistake.
I also took a few trips from Edmonton to Indonesia – transferring planes in airports in foreign countries. More than once I had security holding guns looking at me suspiciously while where I walked got straightened out. Language barriers were sometimes part of the problem; poor signage usually the rest. And jet lag was sometimes involved.
Thank goodness I don’t have the government watching my every move because of the above…