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The removal of Jews from Gaza is bad news for humanity and a sign of more trouble to come. If anyone should be evacuated from Gaza, it should be the ‘Palestinian’ muslims who do not belong there.
The pics are a reminder that Jews are special people.
I would expect the “Palestinians” to be gracious, in the very least, after this extraordinary concession. Gaza, after all, has legally been Israeli territory since Israel, in self-defence, captured the land from Egypt in 1967 when the Arab world attempted to destroy Israel and failed. Israel has demonstrated unparalleled humanity towards these hostile Arab inhabitants who could’ve been booted out of the area in 1967 or worse, but weren’t, as Israel is a civilized, human-rights-respecting nation; in fact, it’s the only such nation in the M.E.
The difficult situation in the M.E. is not Israel’s fault; it’s the fault of the Arab-Muslim world for attacking Israel in the first place just because Israel wasn’t an Islamofascist dictatorship, and for refusing to accept refugees from Gaza and the West Bank, thus creating the “refugee” situation which led to the birth of terrorism.
Anyone who tries to demonize Israel for anything is an idiot who doesn’t wish to discover the real historical truth about the Middle East and would rather let leftist extremists tell him/her what’s what.
The defence of Israel and ignoring the Israeli treatment of the Palastinians is typical.
Good friends are from Palastine–their farm, that had been in their family for generations was bulldozed for ‘the wall’! They lost everything including their orchards and any way to make a living. This was not land that Israel ‘won’ in the war, it was stolen recently. The water is on Palestinian land–Palestinians have one hour to get all the water they need for the day–then the Israelis use the water for their lawns, pools etc. Arrogance is not acceptable. The Israelis learned well from the Nazis– it seems to be ok for them to do this to others, but there is wailing and nashing of teeth when it is done to them. I have absolutely no sympathy for them. It is too little too late.
Sharon has made the proper decision. They cannot defend the area, abandon it for the greater good of his country.
At the end of the day a 2 state solution will need to exist and Gaza was never going to be part of Israel in that two state model.
The majority of Israeli’s support the decision. according to polls so I see absolutely nothing for anyone over here to get upset over.
George, unfortunately, does not understand the true history of the Middle East. I would urge him to take the time to learn for himself rather than letting the far left tell him its lies.
George also seems to believe there was always a “Palestine”. Actually, techically, there isn’t and never has been. It’s merely a concept with a name accorded a certain area in the ME, I believe, back when the ME was colonized by the British and then later given to the inhabitants, one territory of which is Israel, who was created along with other nations in the ME. The “Palestinians” never declared their actual, undisputed territory as a sovereign nation, apparently ’cause doing so would’ve made it harder to get rid of Israel, which was always Arafat’s real aim.
Why won’t so many people learn history the hard way- through research and thinking for oneself?
Anti-Semitism from good ol’ George.
“The Israelis learned well from the Nazis”: George’s hate is all he has. Pity.
Doesn’t work any more, George ol’.
Shalom.
Hit a sore spot, did I? If a farm is in a family for generations, that means the family has lived there for generations.
Israel was created by Britain in 1948–the land, that if nothing else, was farmed and inhabited by the Palestinians was THEIRS. The whole ME situation is happening because the West divided up the land with no understanding of the religious make-up of the area. Don’t try to teach me re-written history. Would you prefer that everyone roll over for a might is right nation–that no one defends what is theirs? Tell that to the Iraqis.
There is no excuse for what Israel has done in the ME–and there is no excuse for the West allowing it to happen, even causing it to happen. After all the damage Israel has done to Palestinians, the ignorant bastards even burn their houses rather than leave them for someone else. They did a good job of destroying their houses too–must have been all the practice they had destroying Palestinian homes?
Obviously you have no first hand experience with what has happened there. Maybe you should get some knowledge other than what is written in the Jersulam Post?
George, the your palestinian family have my sympathy for being run off their farm with no compensation. That’s positively horrible and there’s no excuse for it, however, the rest of your rant against Israel tends to show who the real Nazi is.
In fairness to Israel, they are evicting small cities in the Gaza Strip of their own people. If Israel really believed that might makes right, they would’ve annexed your friend’s farm AND more land for Israel. Up until last week I thought that Sharon had done the right thing in pulling out of Gaza, but watching the Palestinian response has changed my mind. Can’t they accept anything graciously? Do they have to make it appear as if Israel is “retreating”?
I’d also like to point out that the peace in the Middle East is primarily caused by the U.S.A.. Yes, you heard me right. Israel has the Bomb. With the amount of enemies surrounding them I’ve no doubt that they’d use The Bomb if it wasn’t for America’s intervention and support. Palestinians and the ME in general have to get over this obsessive fetish they have with Israel. I’d love to support the downtrodden Pali’s, but they keep losing my vote. It started with their support of the Nazi’s during WWII, their purposeful targeting of civilians, their failure to acknowledge Israeli concessions and graciously allowing Israel to withdraw from Lebanon (yes I know it wasn’t the Pali’s who attacked), their celebrations when 3,000 people were killed on 9/11, their complete disdain and disrespect for all the money that Israel and USA has poured into the Palestinian territories for rebuilding (USA was the largest contributor to Palestines rebuilding in the ’80s, bigger than all the oil-rich ME countries combined – so much for “brotherhood”), and finally this withdrawl from Gaza.
If the Pali’s (and Muslims in general) started acting like civilized human beings perhaps they’d get some sympathy from important people in the world, but that sure isn’t going to happen with this “blame-everything-on-Israel-and-USA-and-take-no-responsibility-for-themselves” schtick.
Finally George, if you want to be taken seriously, you have to start seeing both sides too.
Annexed the farm? They bulldozed it and built the Wall through the orchard.
As for being a Nazi–do you remember that Bush supported the Nazis? Do you remember that the Rothchild’s financed Hitler?
This is not a black and white situation. Israel built nuclear reactors against the ruling of the UN. Hussein was accused of building the bomb on the intel of the Mossad–obviously a total lie. Iraq was to declare itself weaponless in the centre of its enemies. Nothing about this makes sense. But it is Israel who has the bomb against US and UN rules–but that is ok. The surrounding countries are supposed to accept this? The history of the area would say otherwise. Sorry, Israel is no more trustworthy than the others of the ME. After they use forged Canadian passports etc. we still don’t understand that their main rule is that the end justifies the means.
From one George to another: why so indignant? There was a war. Israel won it. The war – as far as I recall – was with Egypt and Jordan (and Syria), not “the Palestinians”. I don’t see Canada being in a hurry to cede territory back to the natives, do you? If Israel wants to hold on to any territory won fair and square in a war – that’s the way history is written. Always has been, always will be! Do you think there even would be a Canada if the Americans had won the war of 1812? If the Jordanians want the West Bank back, they’re welcome to go to war for it and try their luck. No one has the right to lecture Israel about returning “occupied” areas or how to administer them
Georg
Ummm, Bush supported the Nazi’s? Did I hear you right? Yer startin’ to sound more ‘n more like a nutjob George.
As for Hussein being accused by Mossad of having the Bomb, it was MANY intel agencies around the world who thought that, not just Mossad. Bad intel? You bet, but again that’s not just a Jew thing.
George, you also delve into moral relativism when you talk about Israel being the same as all the other ME countries. Yes, the Mossad is using Cdn passports. Yes that’s a bad thing and they should be punished for it and Canada should be outraged by it, but it’s NOTHING compared to the suicide bombers and head hackers they seem to be surrounded by. Israel is the only democracy in the area. They share Western values of honesty and decency (for the most part, certainly not all the time). If the countries surrounding them weren’t run by barbaric, psychopathic tyrants maybe I’d have some sympathy for them but once again the contrast between Israel and their neighbors is too stark to ignore.
Thank you for the links, Kate. Very poignant.
Poor George. The ultra far left has gotten to him. Brainwashed him with the dogmatic doctrine of anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism. Wonder what else the left has done to poor old Georgie?
The left is bad; the right is good. Got that?
As always, histrionics rather than history seem to form the basis for opinion.
Let’s get one thing straight: there never was an independent country called “Palestine.” Until the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, this region had not been independent since, well, the two Jewish kingdoms of Judah and Israel in the 6th Century BC.
After that time, the area came under the successive rule of Babylonians, Persians, Alexander and his successors the Ptolemies and Seleucids, the Romans and Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Turks and lastly the British.
It was in 135 AD, following their suppression of the great Jewish Revolt, that the Romans quite deliberately renamed the province as “Syria Palaestina.” The “Palaestina” was a deliberate reference to the Philistines of the Old Testament. Jerusalem was also renamed “Aelia Capitolina.”
Following World War One, Palestine became a British mandate. During the “Mandate,” Jewish immigration increased substantially. Palestinian Arab leaders opposed this immigration and there was considerable fighting between Jewish settlers, Arabs and the British who were stuck in the middle of it all.
After World War Two, the British decided to withdraw from Palestine. The UN tried to solve the dispute by partitioning the land between Jews and Arabs. The Jews accepted the plan, the Arabs did not. When the Jewish population declared independence in 1948 as Israel, the neighbouring Arab states invaded and were soundly thrashed. Israel subsequently gained more ground and a large part of the Palestinian Arabs voted with their feet and left. Jordan snatched the West Bank and Egypt grabbed Gaza.
At no time in any of this was there an independent “Palestinian State.” Under the UN plan, the Jewish settlers were perfectly entitled to declare their part of Palestine the state of “Israel.”
The Palestinian Arabs could have declared their part the state of “Palestine.” They chose not to.
Instead, the Arabs chose war, and failed miserably. They’ve kept on failing ever since.
George Bush Sr. did business with the Nazis. It is documented.
The Rothchild’s supported the Nazis financially–yet no one has ever called for the Rothchilds to be deported to stand trial as Nazi sympathizers.
Selective history is just that–selective–and the same aplies to the Palestinian issue.
George: There is absolutely no evidence that “the Rothchilds financed Hitler”. Some German industrialists certainly did. Your “information” clearly comes from the fantasist and anti-semitic website DavidIcke.com
“The whole ME situation is happening because the West divided up the land with no understanding of the religious make-up of the area.” Among the first states to recognize Israel in 1948 were the Soviet Union Byelorussia, the Ukraine, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia. Not very “Western”. Rather Communist actually.
Mark
Ottawa
“The whole ME situation is happening because the West divided up the land with no understanding of the religious make-up of the area.”
Further to Mark’s comments on “George”:
The fact that the UN proposed a partitioning plan for Palestine between Jews and Arabs would tend to indicate that the West (inter alia) did indeed have an understanding of the religious make-up of the area.
Thank you, JJM. You obviously know quite a lot more than I do about the history of the Middle East. Still, you did confirm what I have found out for myself via some reading.
Too bad George doesn’t wish to learn the truth; he’s content to worship at the leftist altar of brainless anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. I cannot believe he’d claim that Bush Sr. had done business with Nazis- Bush Sr. FOUGHT them in WWII, didn’t he? Documentation? Yeah, sure. If it were true, the MSM, the Democrats and left at large would’ve made a big deal and tried to link it all to Dubya. Not to mention Michael Mooreon…
Stephen: Bush Sr. actually was a Navy torpedo bomber pilot who flew combat against the Japanese. He was shot down, rescued and decorated (DFC). He was both a bit young and a bit busy to give money to the Nazis; the crazy web sites actually charge that his father, Prescott Bush helped the Nazis. George can’t even get that right.
Mark
Ottawa
Perhaps “George” is an idiot, then?
Stephen, perhaps the idiot is you. You tell George his history on the ME is completely wrong, and a statement like that would appear to make you an expert. Then in your next post you make the comment that JJM obviously knows a lot more about the history of the ME than you do, so it appears you are not an expert after all.
You also make the point that “Anyone who tries to demonize Israel for anything is an idiot”… After making a statement like that, any rational person on either side of the issue would easily come to the conclusion that you are the idiot.
BB, I also said to JJM: “…Still, you did confirm what I have found out for myself via some reading.”
Meaning that what I DO know is correct. JJM does know more details, like dates and names, etc. But I still am correct about the most important point: Israel is in the right.
Now who feels like the idiot, B? Not I. Have a lovely day now.
Having given a bit of a history lesson, let me make it clear that I have no particular heartache with anyone professing a pro-Palestinian stance.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the Palestinians are the “flotsam and jetsam” of the Middle East.
And the fact that there has never been an independent Palestinian state is no reason why there shouldn’t be one. History shows that nations can be “created” – Canada, the US and of course Israel itself are all proof of this!
The Arab people in Palestine have as much right to identify themselves as “Palestinians” as Arabs in Syria do to call themselves “Syrians” or, for that matter, Arabs in Iraq to see themselves as “Iraqis.”
The problem I do have with the Palestinians is that so much of their argument is based on some very specious history and dubious reasoning. And they’ve managed to pull the wool over the eyes of a lot of “useful idiots” in the West.
They have also managed to fail at everything, never missing any opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
As long as there are Palestinians who countenance the destruction of Israel, I’ll never personally want much to do with their cause.
Let’s face facts here: Israel is not going to go away, so this argument is a “non-starter.” The West – certainly the US – could not possibly allow the Jewish population of Israel to be “pushed into the sea.”
And the Israelis would certainly never let that happen.
The idiots are those who cannot see that fault lies with both sides. Anyone who thinks Israel is totally
faultless should explain why many of Israels later leaders were once wanted by the British for Terrorism such as the bombing of the King David hotel.
Yes the Arab armies of Egypt and Syria wanted to destroy Israel in the 1967 war and Israel captured the west bank. That is small confort to the people who had lived on the west bank for many generations and were now finding themselves evicted and persucuted on their own homes and farms simply because they shared the same enthnicity as the Arabs armies that attacked Israel.
None of this is to say that Israel doesn’t have a right to exist or that the Palestinian leadership has been nothing but a terrorist failure, but the fact remains that millions of regular people have been caught in the conflict through no fault of their own. There was no need for settlement activity on this land other then a land grab at the expense of the indiginous population.
Somehow I doubt those writing on this board would so causually accept a fate of being driven from your family’s farm simply because the Israeli army has decided to make your home a base. Sure is easy to marginalize whole peoples once one adopts collectivist thinking.
>>There’s no doubt in my mind that the Palestinians are the “flotsam and jetsam” of the Middle East.
Lets not forget the Aboriginal’s of Canada, the Roma or Egypt or all the other assorted ‘untermenschen’.
Maybe thats why the Palistinians blow themselves up, they look in the mirror and realize what ‘flotsam’ they are.
And of course, it was divine providence that you were not both one of ‘them’.
I am in total agreement with JJM. Why? Because I can see what’s been happening in the ME and I think objectively for myself. So does JJM, so it’s no surprise our positions on the issue are basically the same, as they conform to true history and current reality.
The left simply doesn’t understand. Period.
“Lets not forget the Aboriginal’s of Canada, the Roma or Egypt or all the other assorted ‘untermenschen’.”
Why did you come up with “Untermenschen”? What are you assuming? That I think the Palestinians or Natives or Gypsies or whoever are subhuman? Please assume nothing on my behalf. As one of my old sergeant-majors was wont to say, “ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.”
“Maybe thats why the Palistinians blow themselves up, they look in the mirror and realize what ‘flotsam’ they are.”
Those Palestinians that “blow themselves up” generally belong to, or are dupes of, Islamist organizations such as Hamas and Al-Aqsa Martyrs.
Lots of other “downtrodden people” see no particular requirement to routinely make “martyrs” of themselves. It seems to me we rarely hear of young Cree men walking into RCMP detachments and detonating their bomb-vests.
“And of course, it was divine providence that you were not both one of ‘them’.”
First, how the hell do you know what I am? You have no true idea of my ethnicity or background anymore than I have of yours.
Secondly, spare me the self-righteous and condescending attempt to appeal to my conscience.