In response to yesterday’s Wagging the Dog posting, SDA contributor, Ann, shared some amazing thoughts. I do hope she’s wrong but fear she is not:
You are correct, Robert. They are, in effect, showing us their power. The majority of the population of the U.S., including a record number of ethnic minorities who broke rank, rejected the elites. We rejected the entertainment industry, the mainstream media, the “wisdom” of academia, and the Swamp of bureaucrats in Washington. We voted for Trump in record numbers. We knew that Trump and his administration stood in the way of this bleak, gray, awful life under overloads who keep all the goodies for themselves. But they are showing us their power. With smiling faces and smooth word salads, they are robbing us of freedom. They are robbing us of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They are denying us the ability to travel, to gather, to enjoy live concerts and live sports in big or small venues, to dine out, to enjoy pubs and bars. Soon they will start denying us the foods and drinks we enjoy. And it won’t end. Our safe suburban neighborhoods are going to be forever altered. Our camping and hunting and recreation and sports are going to be denied us forever.
We won’t get back the pre-Covid times. Those are gone with the wind. Voting is meaningless. They know that we know what they did. They know that we know they cheated. But it doesn’t matter. They have the power. And they will never give it up. They no longer have to pretend to govern according to the will of the people, not when they can just order an extra 100,000 “votes” in the middle of the night to disenfranchise our votes in key districts. Soon even the smiling and “kind” and “benevolent” front they keep presenting will be gone as well. They won’t even need to pretend anymore.
The French Revolution got rid of a king but ended up with the Emperor Napoleon. And Robespierre, the despot who governed before Napoleon, was worse than the aristocrats he replaced. The whip just changed hands.
America gave us common folk middle class people a few good centuries. But it’s over. The aristocrats are letting us know we are back where they always want us: lower class, under their heel, producing things for them, inferior and cringing, doing their will, and no longer free.
It’s sickening.
It all worked out for the ChiComs, you have to hand them that. Look at one of their university professors brag how they “expressed goodwill” to Joe Biden by setting up his son in a foundation, and how they figure they own Joe.
https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1335055783176892419
At this point, this virus couldn’t have worked out any better for the Chinese communists. Imagine if there were such a video about Trump…
Well, the second amendment says arms not pitchforks. Stand up and take back your freedom.
I’m 73 – served in the US Army – have a concealed carry permit and happen to like the movie Death Wish.
John Galt lll, 🙂
You beat me to it, vowg. Two words: Second Amendment.
America still has a chance. Canada? Game over.
The game is over in Canada until people are hungry and cold, then Ottawa and all other levels of government will lose their validity and the people will take action as was never seen in this country. A hungry man with a family and nothing left to lose will be very dangerous and no one will be able to stop them.
I see two phases to this in Canada:
#1) Widespread civil disobedience, it’s starting already. Remember when Lyin’ Brian took power? He stood-up a commission to study taxation in Canada – up-and-coming star politician Perrin Beatty chaired it, if memory serves – and it was blatantly bl00dy obvious why; “How much MOAR tax can we grab?” But apparently, Beatty’s findings weren’t dictated to him before the commission convened, so he spoke the truth when he presented his report: “Canadians are already taxed to the raw limit, and any further increases will trigger serious black-marketeering and tax evasion.”
Everybody remember the real reason why the thousand-dollar bill was taken out of circulation, just about then? – too convenient to pay contractors under the table.
We’re getting there now with civil disobedience – when the cops put-on their fascist hats and start bullying and ticketing people for sitting alone in their vehicle eating a muffin, while ignoring twelve years’ worth of repeated complaints about the d1ckhead who would become the Nova Scotia Shooter, well, there ain’t a lot we can legally do about the cops – but there’s one solid thing we can do about their political masters. See #2 below.
#2) If Canadians can break ourselves of the habit of CBC / CTV / CNN / MSNBC / the Red Star and start getting our news elsewhere, I foresee the next federal / provincial / municipal elections becoming a bit of a bl00dbath. “Yeah we remember you closing the arena to us taxpayers because COVID, and then sneaking-in with your buddies to have the arena to yourselves so you could play hockey – OUT WITH YOU!”
Politicians are like diapers – you have to change them often, and for the same reason.
Some nice ideas but they won’t happen. Canadians love being abused and welcome more.
Forget it. With every plane filled with low IQ imports we are one step further away from freedom. Those people know hardship and yet have never learned that government isn’t the cure. The harder things get the louder they scream for more government. That’s why they are being imported. If they were self reliant they would not be let in… also the countries they come from would not be shitholes and they would not want to leave them.
” The harder things get the louder they scream for more government. ”
You’re projecting again.
You’re projecting again on my mother’s face.
The thing is, even if we DID have another election and Canadians DID vote Pierre’s little retard out, Canadians would only vote out of temporary annoyance, not because they had a political awakening and saw how rotten the system is.
They have been showing their “power” for decades. Trump just pulled of the masks so that everyone can see.
The election was fair. Biden won. There is zero evidence of large scale fraud. Every piece for viral “evidence” like the surveillance video is a gross misrepresentation of reality and easily debunked if it ever makes it into a court. Court case after court case is getting tossed out by republican judges and, in some cases, Trump appointees. Yet none of this matters. Fraud must have occurred because you people can’t accept that the majority of Americans did not want him as their president.
What would it take to convince you that Trump is a liar and they entire point of his election fraud claims is to pad his bank account with money from people too stupid to know any better. It appears his slush fund for his personal use has reached 200 million. I find it so ironic that you whinge about corruption by Trump’s opponents yet you choose to be blind to the corruption of Trump himself.
Boy, that Flavor Aid’s yummy ain’t it? Have another glass.
Who are trying to fool? Yourself? It’s not working here. Now go crawl back under your rock because you are lower than the stuff that feeds on slug’s slime trails.
I look at the evidence and draw conclusions accordingly.
The “evidence” offered by Trump and his cronies is laughable.
The fact that Trump and his cronies have to rely on such easily refuted nonsense is a strong indication that no widespread fraud occurred. If it had there would actually be compelling evidence by now.
Which brings me back to my original question: what would it take to convince you that your beliefs about fraud are wrong? If the answer is nothing then why do you claim to care about evidence when your beliefs are clearly nothing but a religion?
Why were they counting votes all night in Georgia after telling poll watchers to go home? Votes that came in by coincidence the most overwhelmingly lopsided for Biden of the whole count? If these are so easily refuted, let’s hear it?
No evidence will be compelling to you, not even video from cameras which the vote counters did not happen to know about but which were running the whole time. They clearly show election laws being violated. I would love to hear you explain how they don’t. The AP had stories that the poll watchers were told to leave, and the poll watchers have sworn that they were asked to leave. The video shows them apparently being asked to leave, and there is no sworn testimony that they were not asked to leave.
The cameras show the normal vote counting process that delusional Trump supporters are twisting into something nefarious. No court will treat that video as evidence of anything unusual.
How many court rulings tossing out Trump’s “evidence” of fraud does it take before you people will acknowledge that you are wrong? We are already at 40 or so. Most non-delusional people would have started accepting reality by now.
Then why has every State and Local voting official REFUSED any and all attempts to properly audit their machines and methods? It is far past time for National elections to be standardized. No Venezuelan voting machines. And far past time for Voter ID. Every vote will need to be cast in-person, except by registered, signature-matched, absentee voting. Every ballot must be paper, and stored for recount/audit. A Democratic Republic simply CANNOT exist without an honest VERIFIABLE vote.
Speaking of AUDITS … Emperor Gavin Newsom has used his authoritarian power to both SHUT DOWN the entire State and defund Local Cities and Counties who don’t vigorously enforce his fascist “rules”. And just to double-down on the authoritarian insanity … All the S.F. Bay Area Counties are imposing shut down “orders” even sooner than Gavin has mandated. These communist fascist leaders are wetting themselves with glee as they attempt to CANCEL Christmas. I look at Gavin … and I see Satan. Gleefully sowing the seeds of mass misery.
So WHO is independently auditing the Health Officials … and now Hospital Officials … Gavin is using to impose these fascistic orders? Answer: nobody.
Timmy Gee, when the same MO is evident in 6 DemoKKKrap held cities, the a new election will tell the truth, I know you lefties are too stupid to think logically, but in my working career it was a prerequisite, and I see a lot of fraud that has happened, both in the election and in these ‘covid’ DICKtates. You keep supporting lefty corruption, and you are very likely to be one of it’s first victums, as you are INSIDE the tent
Tim brings “iota”.
Thanks Tim!
Refute away Timg
What’s holding you back?
Prove a water pipe broke.
Bring the dead voters back to life.
Release the Smartmatic server information from Germany.
Stop the Democrat party’s court case to wipe the tabulators and voting machines.
Allow a forensic audit of ballots.
Simple.
“I look at the evidence and draw conclusions accordingly.”
And what evidence would that be, TimG? Get it off CNN? MSNBC? The Times, the Atlantic maybe?
And when you say, “there was no electoral fraud!”, are you really just saying “there was no electoral fraud THAT I’M PREPARED TO NOTICE!” – you know, just like CNN, MSNBC, the Times, the Atlantic etc are saying…
Troll.
There was no electoral fraud, period. 1-45 last I heard.
You people are too stupid to grapple ideas and other abstract principles, so you fill the void in part with conspiracy nonsense.
Got a “Troll” for you too, UnMe.
Thomas, that was….Elegant 🙂
“There is zero evidence of large scale fraud.”
At least he has come off of the whole “vanishingly rare” trope they used to push.
Anyway they took 100 ballots as a random sample in AZ and found that 2 of them had been altered to give votes to Biden resulting in a 3% swing in vote totals. So my question is, are you ignorant or are you a simple liar?
Ward’s lawyers say the inspection of 100 ballots found that one person’s vote for Trump was ultimately recorded as a Biden vote and that another person’s vote for Trump was cancelled when the reproduced ballot contained votes for both the Republican incumbent and a write-in candidate.. – Associated Press.
Imagine if they looked at all of them instead of randomly picking 100.
Manually duplicating ballots that cant be machine read is a legal process that has be going on for years. Finding two errors in 100 does not provide evidence of fraud when human error is more plausible. Even if the 2% error rate holds up for all 28k duplicated ballots we are looking at a max swing of 1200 votes.
A good example of how easily the fraud “evidence” is debunked
My God, you can put people in front of pure solid evidence of anything and they will still refuse to believe. TimG’s hatred of Trump will never allow him to see the facts as they are being presented.
In just one instance of many many questionable events 150,000 ballots show up at 3 am long after the polls closed and all 100% are for Biden. A mathematical impossibility. But people like TimG will bleat like a sheep, where is the evidence. In another, 500,000 votes ahead at 10:30pm only to discover in the morning you are thousands behind, another mathematical impossibility.
I guess being a slave to these monsters is fine by him.
“Soon even the smiling and “kind” and “benevolent” front they keep presenting will be gone as well. They won’t even need to pretend anymore.”
Then TimG you will understand how brainwashed you are.
It wasn’t a fair election, they are stealing our freedom.
Many people has been drinking in that CNN coolaid as it is so convincing and are the same people who believe politicians don’t lie….ha,ha,ha,
Sorry, couldn’t hold it back. Their hypocrisy is so evident.
This is why, very little investigations and charges for this fraud is going on as everyone is convinced that President Trump is gone…meanwhile, they will be blindsided when the courts declare Trump is President again.
Then scrambling will be in full gear as many people have exposed themselves as being against his Presidency and easy pickings then.
This is really going to make President Trump far stronger as his enemies have exposed themselves.
Jojo, I wonder how many have noticed, that since the left are convinced that Biden is in, that the Antifa/BLM/Floyd thing has subsided to a trickle. That will ramp up again I’m sure. Do you think those same fools will make the connection between the two.
Then TimG you will understand how brainwashed you are. TimG never asks:
Where did all those ballots come from; especially the ballots counted when the observers weren’t there?
How do you get over 90% turnout in areas where there has never been 90% turnout?
Why were all the early AM ballots so heavily weighted to Briden when the trend throughout the evening of the election was tilting to Trump?
etc. etc.
None of your ‘evidence’ is evidence of anything. You are throwing around meaningless innuendo.
Walking advertisement for Jeremiah 5:21
I have met mainstream stupid and you can too if you look in the mirror. Zero evidence of 3rd world style voter fraud? Too stupid to be funny.
It’s been four years and the dullards, who are legion, haven’t figured out that it’s not about Trump; it was never about Trump. It’s Working America’s rejection of the Prog world view; China appeasing globalism, the perverse, creepy SJWs, and the malevolent cancel culture. Regular Americans don’t want to give up their heritage and rights, …..they don’t want a top down government and economy run by unaccountable bureaucrats, who are on he take ,…. they don’t want to be the world’s piggy bank, they don’t want to make the world safe for multinationals, in short, they they don’t want America to be China’s bitch. This has been building ever since the multinationals and the uniparty sold out Working America. Trump didn’t bring it about; he’s just the only national figure to push back.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/006867-the-real-fascist-threat-was-never-trump-its-corporate-power
You are exactly right.
And the only way the progs and their allies ,that would love nothing more than to knock the foundation out from under the West can do is double down on the cheating, when it comes down to the wire.
If the West cannot come up with enough good guys to stem the insanity, and inspire voters we are cooked.
“they don’t want a top down government and economy run by unaccountable bureaucrats, who are on he take”
I guess that’s why they voted out Tariff Man.
I forgot to add that I still daydream of fondling Prince Pretty Socks sack (if he had one to begin with) while he licks Chairman Xi’s bat soup flavored sphincter. Ahhhh, soooo dreamy!
i absolutely love poetry verging on the absurd. truly absurd poetry is recognised in a restaurant/bar with 3 former contestants who have become judges. a dozen, maybe more, attend. it would be sad if it wasn’t funny.
Now YOU have the ‘featured post’! Well said, Exasperated
Run out of Kool Aid comrade?
Spoken like a true Communist. Nothing to see here, move along dummies.
Don’t Feed The Troll.
If you give it a forum It’s gonna get rich and Fat.
Thank you Zhang!
“…… you ‘whinge’ about ……
Whinge? Oh no — another Trump hating Limey ….
TimG — spending too much time with that other far-left British rag, the Daily Mail, one of the worst most proliferous anti Trump trash that it puts the New York Times to shame …
By the way TimG Canadians do not ‘whinge’ — we whine!
And the big question is “are they prepared to grow a spine and do any thing about it” this also includes Canada . I fear that there is not enough backbone in either country to stand up and try to stop this. I read some where that the CCP has told the US they have to reduce the number guns legally owned in the US….did anyone see it ???…..Steve O
You’ll be surprised if Biden pulls this off.
When the people who just want to be left alone get involved….
I believe they’ve underestimated the majority of the American people. Besides, they never did succeed in disarming them and have played their all in hand too soon. A bridge too far. For forcing this before they were ready, we have Donald Trump to thank.
Thomas, Same in Canada, the massive May first gun ban was done before they realized that the covid thingy was a great global reset opportunity, and now they are rushing things, and trying to get the handguns as well. Methinks it’s a tad to late, but it’s also a question of whether the duped citizenry can recognize the reality slapping them upside the face!
She nailed it. Especially right here:
“ Voting is meaningless. They know that we know what they did. They know that we know they cheated. ”
Unfortunately I feel the same gloom/ There was nothing surreptitious about this; it was in-your-face. And the propaganda organs are lying in your face, and they know they are lying and they know you know they are lying, which makes it all the more pleasureable for them.
Destroy the economy? They don’t care, they will get more from a smaller pie.
Ann unfortunately is depressingly spot on.
Ugh.
Napoleon wasn’t exactly loved by those he replaced though so we’re back to something I have said often enough in the past; our liberal friends lose in the long term even if they win. Whether or not they succeed in dragging us down with us they themselves are completely without a future. ^_^
I agree with nearly everything Ann said. The Canadian and American elites are corrupt, and both countries in January will have large Tammany Hall federal governments, replete with crooked governments departments and crooked media to support the elite corruption.
Where I part company with Ann, and most SDA posters, is that I feel that conservatives, and political moderates, should not simply lie down and allow the elites to tramp all over them. Simply despairing and wallowing in self-pity does no good.
The reason why we are in this pickle is that the non-elites are largely unorganized, whereas the elites are organized to the hilt. Donald Trump saw that ordinary Americans were unorganized , so he took over the Republican party through an effective grassroots organization. It will still be around four years from now, in case anyone is interested. Ann says “voting does no good”, but somehow it did in 2016.
There is more to conservatism than posting (under the safety of pseudonyms), f-bombs and boasting fantasy violence with guns (I say this as a legal gun owner). At least the U.S. has a Republican party, to serve as an organizational structure. I Canada we have no viable organizational structures.
An American Thinker article a few months ago identified the weak spots in the ruling left-wing ruling class. This is that the non-elites reject the crazy ideas and policies of the ruling classes (e.g., pedophilia, gangbanger street crime, the pro-China lobby, blatant government and media corruption, the new woke racism, homelessness in the streets). CNN, CNC News and others can promote these ideas all they want, but the public, if organized, will reject them.
Flame me all you want, but non-elites must get themselves off of the proverbial barrel and fight back.
I think the Republican hierarchy sold out to the Progs in the early ought’s, so Trump and Working America have no allies. I don’t know if there is an ideology other than greater and greater concentration of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands. The take away from the 2020 election is that Working People, Middle America, Main Street don’t matter. Consider the tsunami of hate that has occurred and will continue to occur toward Working America since President Zeros election. It has been a non stop barrage of derogatory insults, inflammatory accusations and demeaning ridicule. The purpose of “Hillbilly Elegy” is to reassure the Progs and reinforce the stereotypes. In the public space, there has been no push back at all, just avidness to jump on the bandwagon and reinforce the lies. The Minions wouldn’t be doing that if the Normies had any clout. They work for the Man not you.
The Republican hierarchy and the Federalist Society are part of the problem. They sold out Working America decades ago.
I wish I had an explanation as to why Trump drove the Entrenched Bureaucracy/Globalists to such histrionic and extreme lengths and frankly not very subtle cheating. Wouldn’t it have been cheaper and easier to co-opt Trump? Is to ask the question, to answer it? The 1% were still making money under Trump, but the working and poor were making gains, too. Is that the problem, is that what was anathema? Trump must have threatened a lot of rice bowls.
The Prog Minions:
We know that among the Minions are lots of people, who directly or indirectly rely on the federal government for a paycheck. We’ve all heard of the revolving door of employment between government agencies, media, private and public businesses, foundations, charities, lobbying, law and public relations firms, NGOs, universities……………including the Pentagon. Their credentials are kowtowing and networking. In addition, the Dems have the people who depend on a federal, state, county, or municipal paycheck, either directly or indirectly, including public sector workers, municipal vendors and contractors; they have media (incl sports and entertainment); academia; foundations; multinationals and the people whose livelihood comes out of globalism. such as those who are employed in the distribution of third world consumer goods, like Amazon or big box stores; the financialists; Big Pharma, the trust fund babies; and, of course, RINOS. Not to mention foreign actors. This might have not been enough to prevail but for an army of easily manipulated, shallow, and fatuous soap opera women (and men); the folks who fancy themselves as nice and altruistic and believe in money trees. Using covid as a pretext, note all these people were fine with the destruction of the economy for Working People, whereas their fellow travelers were insulated from the worst effects. These people do not wish Working America well, at all.
I agree with your outline of the population who are, so far, dependent on government funding; the Prog Minions – a good name for them!
My comment is that I don’t think this situation is about ideology; i.e., between the Republicans or Democrats. It’s about, in the first glance, a power struggle between the Elites [made up of both GOP and Democrats] and the ‘Working People’, aka, the private sector economy.
In our economic mode, which is a market-based industrialism [rather than eg, agriculturalism], the producers of goods and services, aka wealth, are the private sector. These are the risk-takers, those who set up their own private businesses. If they succeed, they attain wealth; if they fail – they alone take the fall -not the rest of the people. A private business economic mode promotes growth, wealth – and – reduces risks to individuals not whole villages [when the crop fails].
Now – what the Elite are doing – and using the ignorant Utopians that you have so well outlined – is to reduce the private sector – the middle class. They’ve done this by massive regulations [which Trump reduced]; by restrictions of climate change, environmentalism, etc [which he rejected] – and by extremely high business taxes [which he reduced]; and by outsourcing goods to China/India to provide cheap consumer goods for the American non-working population [and Trump brought back production to America]. Then, the Elites networked themselves into this global cheap production infrastructure – to become extremely wealthy.
Trump’s actions have weakened the Elite political and economic infrastructure. The Elites have fought back, as I’ve outlined – and are now even using the Chinese-origin Covid virus as a method of repressing economic and societal powers of the middle class even more – [which is why Trump has been denigrating the fear-mongering and promoting the vaccine]. The latest battle of the Elites vs The People – is this election, which was obviously, empirically, sabotaged and corrupted. Proving it – would be extremely difficult and costly – because, for example, it can be statistically impossible for 100,000 ballots to be handed in, at one time, all for the same candidate – but- proving who did this – would take months if not years.
That is – at first glance, it’s about the Elite vs the People. But it’s about a Debt Economy vs a Private Sector Economy [Make America Great Again] – and my point is that a Debt Economy can keep a corrupt Elite in power for a few decades – but- it has a critical threshold beyond which it cannot sustain either the Elite or their passive population. It will implode.
How to help this implosion? Be vocal [they are trying to stop free speech]; be public; reject the rhetoric.
ET: I think we are in agreement that it is very difficult to slot what the Progs are doing into an ideology, and I agree that, however we describe it, it is a house of cards. Yes, one of the hidden costs is the diversion of real “grow the pie” productivity into fake make work jobs that maintain the static, inefficient distribution of resources. The good news is that the self sufficient “preppers” are more commonly found in Middle and Rural America and that they are more likely to survive any systemic disruptions. The minions in urban areas are far more vulnerable. That said, I greatly fear the stupid, myopic energy policies that are now in the pipeline.
I can’t speak for after 2008, but at least until then, there were powerful Democrats who understood, at a fundamental level, that Capitalism is the engine of innovation and progress. It may not be the only engine, but it is exponentially more adaptive, efficient and faster. My definition of capitalism is based on freedom to choose and investment in continuous improvement, such as innovations in organization, materials, distribution, marketing, processes, financing……, specialization. Its hallmark used to be a robust middle class. Of course, the Corporatists are trying to capture the power of capitalism for themselves, while decrying it through their “Woke” tools. They use the power of “Der Regulierungsstaat Uber Alles”, to suppress or buy out competition, to suppress entrepreneurship, and to erect entry barriers, consolidating economic power in their own self serving and greedy hands. My guess is that whoever manages to hang onto Capitalism, wins. Look at China, they didn’t get to where they are on their own, they were handed billions of dollars worth of hard won IP, manufacturing and organization know how by our skimming class. And still, they have to spy and get around security measures to acquire cutting edge stuff.
I don’t know if we can do much about any of this. Some people have mentioned Irish Democracy, which is fine with me and in keeping with my natural inclinations. In the meantime we can support other deplorables, trade locally, as much as possible, avoid the sneaky Tech companies, as well as the China supply chain, which is dependent on coerced labor and pollution.
Sorry, posted in wrong place; reposted further down.
Exasperated – you have written another great outline – and I fully agree with your points.
I particularly like your outline of capitalism – which is perfect:
“Capitalism is the engine of innovation and progress. It may not be the only engine, but it is exponentially more adaptive, efficient and faster. My definition of capitalism is based on freedom to choose and investment in continuous improvement, such as innovations in organization, materials, distribution, marketing, processes, financing……, specialization. Its hallmark used to be a robust middle class.”
Exactly. Capitalism is based around the individual, and therefore, makes use of the individual’s capacity for innovation, risk-taking, flexibility. The individual can move to another city; can set up another business, can innovate – while groups [such as agricultural estates, tribes] cannot do this. In addition, capitalism, with its flexibility of start-up and production, is also flexible in failure That is, if a business fails – it only economically involves the individual. Not the whole tribe, not the whole population. Therefore – capitalism is what enables a ‘growth’ economy, which can deal with an increasing population, can deal with the need for innovative technology etc.
The stupidity of the left – who define capitalism as ‘all about greed’ – just shows their ignorance of economic history.
I agree – that whoever hangs on to capitalism, wins, in this new Cold War. But I don’t think that the Elite economic mode is about capitalism. It has no middle class of private businesses – who are deemed ‘the enemy’ [aka, the People whom Trump supports]. The Elite economic mode is two-class and distributive; the Elites and the dependent population, who are managed by a massive, indifferent and frankly amoral bureaucracy. We’ve seen this set up all through human history. The Elites control the wealth – which is outsourced to in particular, China, India, Russia – where Investment funds cheap labour to provide the low cost goods that are no longer invested in and produced in the US [and never were, in Canada]. Then, the Elites ‘distribute’ these funds and cheap goods to the population. In return for their passivity and votes. But – this won’t work in a situation where the population is large and growing…
My comment is that a two-class economic infrastructure, where Investment and Production is in the hands of only one group, the Elite – works only in a steady-state no-growth economy such as pre-industrial agriculturalism. This type of economy works for a no-growth population. It won’t work in a growth-population – which is why the world in the 16th c. moved to capitalism, the private business growth economies of the middle class.
As you say- China certainly didn’t get to its present state on its own – but- it is also at a critical threshold. I’m saying that its population base has exceeded the capacity of a top-down regulatory infrastructure, which is why you see so much corruption and violence in China as the Elite try to prevent the freedoms of free enterprise and yet – reap the benefits of such an economy!
As for the West – note how the UK rejected globalism with its Brexit. And the US has taken its first step at rejecting this two-class economic infrastructure with its four years of Trump – whose every action shows his awareness of the problem. The Elites have ‘won’ this current battle with their corruption of the electoral process – but- it’s a Cold War – and capitalism, which means, Power of the People, has to win. Why? Absolutely simple – and I mean it. The population is too large for a steady-state distributive economy; it requires a growth method – which is: capitalism.
“Working America” seems to consist of unskilled no-ambition imbeciles who it turns out are more expensive than outsourcing which in turn is more expensive than robots. Not the government’s job to protect you. Learn to code.
UnMe is either a lawyer or a social worker. Lives in the sewer. Learn to code lemming.
I work in a lab. I’m part of the educated cosmopolitan elite that will now steer the western world, for better and worse.
UnMe is too sophisticated and “educated” for common sense and too smugnorant for facts that are outrageously obvious to us severely normal taxpayers. He’s an example shit-thought from on high, pissing on the peons that do all the work he benefits from while condescending that their efforts are trog-like. Civil wars start from his “better” view and he loses everything bc there’s no one he can hide behind when he has to back his own words up.
I thought “unme” was the bleary geezer you sometimes see in the bar.
@Blusterpoint: thanks for providing yet another example of a peon that needs to learn his place.
“I work in a lab. ”
… and by that I mean they stick things in all my orifices.
” unskilled no-ambition imbeciles ” are Biden voters.
The data is clear that the burbs overwhelmingly voted Biden. My people.
Agreed Mr Murrell.
The lie is too big. I cannot accept the lie and they will smilingly jam it down my throat. Can’t live with a lie like that.
Komatsu D355A
Just a quick glance on flight tracker. Two international flights – one from Shanghai China the other from Seoul Korea are both set to land at Vancouver Intl Airport at 7:00 a.m. PST.
But hey, let’s taser kids for not wearing a mask.
It’s over. Oh, and just a friendly reminder for those who sympathize with cops who get the sadz because they feel they’ve maligned by the media.
They ain’t your friends.
No your friends are the smiling college prof who preaches racial justice, the good buddy bureaucrat who lives to promote your concerns, and all those wonderful Antifa/BLM patriots.
Tell us Burton what do you do for a living with your gender studies degree. The next time you need a cop call Waters or Schumer.
Burton, many cops are good, but they are government employees, and they are protecting their rice bowl!
It’s a communist takeover, started a long time ago. Felt this way before, it’s why I left Quebec back in the late 1970s. It didn’t do any good, for what happened in Quebec, is now happening in North America.
You’ll get used to it.
Freedom is an illusion.
You’ll get used to it.
Or else.
Good morning! Or else!
My awakening moments were in the early 1980’s in the Canadian Military seeing politics taking over and the fun sucked out of our society by introductions of new restrictions and regulations that eventually turned into laws.
Since we had no wars going on at the time, officers wanted to get recognized and rewarded by us grunts doing extra training and duties that put our lives in danger unnecessarily. And adding restrictions on what you were doing of duty.
Sucked the fun out of life as this was growing as more and more were being implemented.
I know what you mean. In a second incarnation, in my personal life journey post Quebec days, I moved to the Maritimes. Was in a position there for many years where I met hundreds of people from all walks of life.
Anyone who worked for the government that I met acted like they had a shiv in their back or were expecting one at any minute. They were and are, I believe, a paranoid lot in various extremes. Some get or got better after they retired but others live or lived with occasional bouts of symptomatic PTSD.
Sadly their disease and disillusionment leads or led to life long addictions of one thing or another. Take your pick.
Because of what I saw I’m thankful to have none of their diseases. I am merely a teatoatler! I need to keep my wits about me for fear of being dragged down. It is a slippery slope.
Yes, as the man said, be well, “or else!”
Agree with Ann but remember we as individuals can choose our own destiny, create our own reality although it becomes harder as we let them collectively continue to erode our freedom without resistance. The more we say no, the more of us , the easier it will be.
I agree with Ann’s excellent outline – in its expression of the current situation, which indeed is all about an elite, having been attacked in its decades-long control of government power by the four years of the Trump administration – fighting back and winning, by fraud [despite TimG’s claims] this one battle. But I reject such an outline of the future. I speak, basically, about the economic infrastructure – although I’m aware of the social and psychological aspects.
But we must understand that an elite, secure in its control of power and wealth for decades, was hardly going to be defeated in four years. The fight by the Elite against The People – and Trump is not in it for himself but represents The People – began the second he declared; the instant he won; the moment he took the oath of office. The Elites began with riots, with claims of ‘racism’ ; with claims that he was a Russian puppet; with an impeachment attempt; with open rejection [remember Pelosi ripping up his State of the Union speech]; with a media that spent 95% of their time on hostile comments about him. The Elites have denigrated his supporters, aka, The People – with terms such as ‘deplorables’, ‘guns and bibles’, racists and so on.
The accomplishments of Trump, both domestic and foreign, in these four years, in restoring power to The People, in developing the economy, in developing positive foreign trade – and in the Middle East etc, have been remarkable. But- the Elites can’t be destroyed in four years! It would be naive to think so.
The question to ask is: Does a leftist infrastructure work? By leftist infrastructure – I mean economically, without a middle class in dominant control of the economy. In Canada, we have the Laurentian Elite who are using the pandemic to destroy the middle class private sector economy. To keep ‘The People’ alive, so to speak, they are handing out billions of ‘cloud-money’ [as I call it] – aka DEBT. Does such an economy – where The People are unable to work and make wealth – and live on borrowed funds – does it work? Economically – NO. It will implode on itself.
In the US – the Left, who are naive academics and utopians and not risk-taker private sector workers, are controlled by the Washington Elite – who use this naive Leftist Population to voice their agenda…of a population kept by government subsidies, disempowered and unable to work and make their own wealth, disempowered to vote by corruption of the vote; brainwashed by media and academia. And – keep the Elite unaccountable and in great wealth. But – it’s the same question. Does an economy, where the middle class has been reduced and disempowered, unable to work and make wealth – dependent on government subsidies – does it work? Economically? No. It will implode on itself. This is a basic economic fact.
That is – economically, an economic infrastructure based on DEBT – cannot sustain itself for long. So? This battle isn’t about ‘left ideology’ vs ‘right ideology’. It isn’t even about ‘global ideology’ vs ‘national ideology’. It’ isn’t about ideologies at all. It’s about a basic economic infrastructure. What is the source of your economic wealth? Is it from the people or from debt? Is it self-sufficiency or dependency on other nations? That’s what the Trump-vs-the Democrats is all about.
My comment is that this battle is – and cannot be – over. Four years isn’t enough to take out the corruption that has developed. It’s not simply about a fat-cat corrupt Elite, who have become a whole network of entwined families, all living off the wealth found within control of the government. It’s about a basic economic infrastructure – and there is a critical threshold where a Debt economic infrastructure, and one dependent on other nations – simply will implode.
The forces arrayed against the middle have a lot of clout, but they are not really monolithic. It seems to me that they spring from at least three different sources: the Global Corporatists, the Entrenched Bureaucracy. and the Woke crowd. Media and the Uniparty have roles but I don’t know how to categorize them, whether they are players or are subservient to the others. I don’t think these entities necessarily have identical motivations, or identical endgames, but they do overlap, since it’s the same kind of people, with the same kind of backgrounds rotating in an out of these power centers. I don’t think they are Communists, per se, but the Woke crowd is down with some kind of faux Communism. The Deep state/Corporatist alliance is more about some creepy, paternalistic, dystopia where law and economic economic policy comes from the top down and serves the interests of Global players, ie Multi-nationals. It seems to me that these forces have aligned over the last 12 years and what they have in common is either an antipathy toward or a condescension toward Working America and its traditional values. I know, I know, at the end of the day, it’s is a distinction without a difference. The Corporatists and the Bureaucrats do not wish Working People well in any way, at all, and the Woke types are being used to scapegoat Middle America.
More on the Corporatists: I think the powers that be are indifferent to the fate of working people, except as lame consumers. Of course, it’s the top who benefitted from the export of American jobs, while pretending that it was a win, win for everyone. Maybe a few of them even believed it . They participated in hobbling America’s competitive edge. They avidly embraced outsourcing to dodge taxes, regulations, fair labor practices, energy costs, having to grease the wheel to build anything. It was also the price for entry into the Chinese market and to that end they gave away billions of dollars of “hard won” manufacturing and organizational “know how”. I don’t think the Corporatists set out to destroy the Working Middle, but it’s an unintended consequence of the post Industrial/Global economy. They definitely facilitated it and now they believe they are being realistic and that the Middle is an anachronism, aka redundant. The Dems offer the cargo cult solution: handouts, subsidies, fake make work jobs that do not grow the pie. If we give you the accoutrements of the Middle class, you will be the Middle Class. Sheesh. What is the economic rationale of a college education without worthwhile jobs. OTOH, Republicans imagine everyone in the middle will become entrepreneurs, cattle trading speculators in the future’s market, join the military or ricochet between amazing dead end temp service jobs.
Exasperated – again, an excellent outline. I fully agree – and can only repeat that an economic infrastructure, where an enormous population base is transformed from self-sustaining into a dependent-on-government mode, may for a while, keep that Elite in power but it cannot economically be sustained.
I like your three forces vs the private sector middle class: ” three different sources: the Global Corporatists, the Entrenched Bureaucracy. and the Woke crowd”. Exactly right. I would add that the media are the hand puppets of these agencies.
All I’m saying is that when a societal infrastructure develops where, economically, it becomes dependent on ‘clouds’ – whether this source be external largesse [as the UN has done with many tribes; as Canada has done with its indigenous by forbidding private enterprise on reserves]; or outsourcing Investment and Production to other nations;….or whether it also forbids domestic Investment and Production by regulations, high taxes etc…..then, this infrastructure will reach a critical threshold where it will implode.
Goods will become scarce or too expensive; crime will increase; normal lifestyles will collapse – and – the political infrastructure will collapse.
I think that using the Covid pandemic to weaken the Middle Class, economically and societally, is simply hastening this implosion. Trump’s four years have weakened the Elite but – we have now moved into a Cold War – and, as I’ve said – it’s not over. It can’t be over because the Elite infrastructure of an economy run by government Debt won’t work.
Thank you, ET. Your comments are always instructive. It would indeed seem to be common sense that the elite want a solid economic base to maintain their way of life. It would indeed seem to be common sense that a solid middle class is a desirable thing, all around, even for those in power.
A healthy economy gives ordinary non-powerful people a good life. Food, clothing, shelter, freedom, some travel, some vacation … joy. Moments of joy.
Something just seems so dark about what’s going on right now. I have not felt this before. But so many of us are sensing this now … It’s as if the powerful don’t even want a solid economic middle-class base anymore. We feel it … they want us gone. And they don’t want us to have those moments of joy. The systemic removal in 2020 of everything ordinary people enjoy – concerts, sports events, gatherings, dining out, worshipping together, travel, the ability for many to independantly earn a living by running their small businesses – … the systemic removal of this all is emotional and psychological brutality.
We can handle a mafia-style corrupt government that basically leaves us alone as long as they have their power and their goodies. Ordinary people have lived and even thrived under corrupt leadership since the dawn of time.
But this seems like something else. This is dark.
I think the old comment “Be careful what you wish for, you may get it!” fits perfectly in my rebuttal to my lefty friends. Even when I point out that McGuinty/Wynne destroyed Ontario’s economy and made it the most indebted non-sovereign entity in the world and now Trudeau has destroyed our national economy and your retirement nest egg will be taken in a flash they still refuse to see what is happening. The chant “Orange man bad” will just continue.
Try getting onto an airplane without first taking off your shoes. It’s not about science or common sense. All this Covid lockdown crap is about power and controlling the masses, and it’s not going away. We tried to comfort ourselves with the idea that the Wuhan flu would disappear after the election, since it was no longer needed. It’s getting worse because the left has seen the effectiveness of manipulating people through fear. I wish I could see brighter days ahead, but I don’t. The Republic has been decaying for decades. I fear we’re witnessing its collapse.
second amendment, bang bang.
This is interesting.
The guy near the top and the media cartel will announce daily that there is no widespread wrong doing.
Let us see now.
The wrong doing was pointed at the states where Biden was losing. They brought hundreds of thousands of ballots in the dark of the night to falsely change the outcome of the election.
It cold be said that the wrong doing was narrow and pointed where needed.
So then, it can be said that it was not widespread, it was done with precision and a plan.
The only point to add is that the media cartel, as is their wont, will not tell the whole story.
Our masters only finally recognized the Jewish people’s right to not only exist but prosper when the Israelis credibly threatened to turn the Soviet nuclear arsenal against them. Not even George Soros has ever figured out how to hedge against a nuclear winter.
If Americans want to keep their republic, they will grid their loins like men and finally slaughter their parasite and criminal classes like the vermin they are, along with the criminals’ mistresses and bastards.
If they don’t do it, they won’t keep their republic, and won’t deserve to.
And if that happens, it won’t matter if Israel triggers a nuclear war. The Jews will have no future in such a world even as slaves. Why should anybody else? They are willing to die with the Philistines. Are you?
Be not afraid. You are not defeated until you accept defeat. I do not accept it.
Actually you’re defeated, end of story. The facts don’t care about your feelings.
UnMe utters the usual Antifa/BLM lines. So obvious from a critter that hangs out in men’s rooms.
Whatever, we have already stolen the election and we will steal every one after that. We got MSM, Soros money and Antifa there is no stooping us.
I do not care if the vote was not fraudulent. The entire election was fraudulent.
The wealthy and powerful have managed to install a candidate who is completely compromised by them and our enemies.
Joe Biden built his entire career on influence peddling, he has no purpose, and no loyalty beyond that. If he is allowed to ascend to the highest office in western civilization it may be decades before civilized people regain a voice in their affairs, if ever.
Trump was not elected to do small things, let us hope he does something big to turn this around if it comes to that, the alternative is cancel culture on civilizational scale.
Agree; Biden is a puppet – just as Justin Trudeau is a puppet. Both are ignorant and arrogant – with the added problem that Biden almost certainly has dementia.
The West went through an upheaval of Elites vs The People in the 15th and 16th centuries. The Elites [the Church and Aristocracy] did everything they could to diminish and destroy the People – whose population numbers were increasing beyond the carrying-capacity of the old agricultural economic mode. The Elites forbade free speech, used religion and the notion of heresy as major threats [compare with the current religion of climate change and even the pandemic]; forbade private enterprise and so on…but…it was useless. A two-class economic infrastructure couldn’t maintain the huge populations. So- a middle class private sector economy emerged – and the Elites lost power.
I disagree, completely, with a ‘guns are the solution’ method of dealing with this situation. It won’t solve a thing. The real situation is: economic. Can a huge population be sustained by Debt and outsourcing – with an Elite in charge of distribution and preventing domestic Investment and Production? The answer is: No.
Now – the Elites will focus on what I call the ‘surface structure’ of rhetoric – with their myths of climate change, their instilling of fear and anxiety, their contempt for ‘the working man’ [deplorables] – and this will work to repress people. But – the deeper infrastructure doesn’t listen to political rhetoric – and the economic implosions caused by a debt economy rather than a self-sufficient private sector economy – and it will implode.
We are in a Cold War. Guns won’t solve it. We need leaders who can and will articulate the problems – and will take the risks that we-who-talk-a-lot, won’t take. Trump is one such person. There are more.
Note: in Canada we are in a worse position because our political infrastructure is cemented against freedom and set up to maintain the Laurentian Elite.
ET: I think we are in agreement that it is very difficult to slot what the Progs are doing into an ideology, and I agree that, however we describe it, it is a house of cards. Yes, one of the hidden costs is the diversion of real “grow the pie” productivity into fake make work jobs that maintain the static, inefficient distribution of resources. The good news is that the self sufficient “preppers” are more commonly found in Middle and Rural America and that they are more likely to survive any systemic disruptions. The minions in urban areas are far more vulnerable. That said, I greatly fear the stupid, myopic energy policies that are now in the pipeline.
I can’t speak for after 2008, but at least until then, there were powerful Democrats who understood, at a fundamental level, that Capitalism is the engine of innovation and progress. It may not be the only engine, but it is exponentially more adaptive, efficient and faster. My definition of capitalism is based on freedom to choose and investment in continuous improvement, such as innovations in organization, materials, distribution, marketing, processes, financing……, specialization. Its hallmark used to be a robust middle class. Of course, the Corporatists are trying to capture the power of capitalism for themselves, while decrying it through their “Woke” tools. They use the power of “Der Regulierungsstaat Uber Alles”, to suppress or buy out competition, to suppress entrepreneurship, and to erect entry barriers, consolidating economic power in their own self serving and greedy hands. My guess is that whoever manages to hang onto Capitalism, wins. Look at China, they didn’t get to where they are on their own, they were handed billions of dollars worth of hard won IP, manufacturing and organization know how by our skimming class. And still, they have to spy and get around security measures to acquire cutting edge stuff.
I don’t know if we can do much about any of this. Some people have mentioned Irish Democracy, which is fine with me and in keeping with my natural inclinations. In the meantime we can support other deplorables, trade locally, as much as possible, avoid the sneaky Tech companies, as well as the China supply chain, which is dependent on coerced labor and pollution.
Thanks to Kate; there aren’t many places that offer a platform to have this dialogue.
Irish Democracy. Not counting on it. I know lots of people who are addicted to Social Media and can’t put their phones down to even watch their children. Not to mention, all the shopaholics and people who are satisfied with cheap kr@p or think their life will be over, if they don’t have fifty pairs of shoes.
I’m not sold on SLO JOE having dementia; granted he isn’t that sharp unless fatuous clichés, useless platitudes, and pointless geezer stories are your bag. Unfair to diagnose at a distance, but what he presents seems more like aphasia as a result of little transient strokes. Nevertheless, I shudder at the thought of him interacting with world leaders.
Fair enough; I agree with not diagnosing at a distance.
But the fact is – he has cognitive problems – whatever their cause.
This is quite apart from his basic ignorance and isolation from reality.
“We voted for Trump in record numbers. ”
And they voted for Biden in greater numbers.
Please spare me your faux-love of freedom, you who voted for a fascist who imposed import tariffs and immigration restrictions and bans on Tik Tok. You hate freedom and don’t even know what it is.
coming from a racist like you who could be surprised by all the braying from the sewer of Leftist gibberish?
Whether you believe in voter fraud or not, most American’s paying attention do especially the Trump supporters. That’s not a good thing for the “progressive left” agenda, especially after showing their ass’s to the nation/ world for the last four years.
This will not go over as quietly as it did for Obama, not even close.
https://americanlookout.com/survey-finds-9-out-of-10-republicans-believe-mail-in-voting-led-to-fraud-in-2020-election/
9/10 republicans are abject fascist morons. They will be crushed by their betters.
I think many of those “betters” would also qualify as fascist morons.
Reading these excellent & informative comments, I felt a glimmering of something I haven’t felt for a while: hope. Someone said something to the effect “This was never about Trump…” & it made me think, Trump was only one man — but now there are 70 million potential Trumps in America (& a few in Canada too). In 2014, no one could have foreseen the Donald — & look what has happened since then! I can’t see a way forward at the moment, but the one thing I’ve decided I can do myself is not give into despair; I will be a “Happy Warrior,” & resist as best I can, until a path forward emerges.
No, I ain’t Pollyanna — most people call me Gloomy Gus! But be of good cheer friends, keep visiting SDA & keep thinking & sharing your excellent commentaries on our strange, new world. Cheers, wsj
Yes, Nov 4th 2016,2020 was an eye opener. I had no idea there were so many real Americans left.
Yes, 2016 was the beginning of the new Cold War. A war against a two-class global economic infrasructure, controlled by an international set of Elites. Versus- the People.
A two-class distributive economic mode versus a middle class market capitalist mode.
And frankly, just as you, Exasperated have said, whoever controls capitalism – wins. Why? Because the world population is a growth population, not steady-state. And therefore, requires adaptive, growth, expansion and innovative capacities. None of these characteristics are possible in a two-class distributive mode, which represses and inhibits the population and forbids individual freedom.
ET, thanks for pointing out the “oppression” of the religious elite in the past, I have always seen it that way. The printing press helped destroy the elites back then, and the ‘church’ has been trying to regain it’s losses for some time now. It has trown in with the non-relgious elite, as they would be fighting on 2 fronts if they tried going it alone. The vatican has spoken against Trump and his wall, sent 1/2 million to central America to help illegals get to the southern border. Also the vatican held a climate conference, were they barred the “deniers”, so they appear to be all in with this one world government.
Oh and some great comments in here from many:-)))
“None of these characteristics are possible in a two-class distributive mode, which represses and inhibits the population and forbids individual freedom.”
Sheesh that sounds like the plantation system that existed in the Antebellum American South,, which was static, aka dead, a failure at driving innovation and progress.
Yes – you are exactly right. The Civil War, as I see it, had very little to do with ‘ending slavery’ but with ending a by-then dysfunctional economic system – the plantation agricultural system which depended on bonded labour – and had no capacity for innovation or economic growth. [Compare the medieval feudal system of a bonded peasantry]. The population had grown too large to be sustained by this method – but- you don’t change cultural norms and a whole societal mode of behaviour and belief Just Because. It can be a violent change and can take generations.
“a middle class market capitalist mode.”
I don’t know what this is. I do know that it sounds very different from the tariffs and cronyism Trump put up to preserve the dead and ossified remains of the Blue State Model.
The international globalists Davos Soros CPC elite want a shooting war in the US so it can destroy itself.
The USA is the last remaining obstacle.
The elite have bought off every instituition and country in the world except for maybe a few pushovers that won’t be a problem.
They want an obviously stolen election in the USA to create a shooting war anger between between grasshoppers and ants economically, BIPOCS and Whites racially, men and women physcologically, gays and breeders sexually, believers and non believers religiously at every level they create disharmony and conflict. They create the disparity and in your face flaunting of it on purpose to foment shooting bombing insurrection and war for the express pupose of using the trillions of bullets the USA owns on themselves.
Then they buy up or sieze by force the pieces from a weakened and war weary shell of what the US once was.
Dark indeed, Ann.
Re. UnMe comment “they voted for Biden”
“The Finesse of the Century”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQiO6mj46w
15 minutes starting @ 5.00 gives a Black American’s perspective on the steal.
Some people need to stop and think carefully about the eventual overthrow of ruling classes, Second Amendment or not. Given sufficient numbers, rocks and pitchforks could overcome the swords and armour of the French guards a few hundred years ago. Hunting rifles in the hands of a few people accompanied by mobs of unarmed protesters are not going to overthrow the elites. Modern military and police forces have technology way ahead of anything the masses can hope to counter. As time progresses, the gap between elite protectors and the peasants will continue to grow and become unsurmountable.
After the fall of Rome, the world went through one thousand years of dark times. As I watch the decline in our society, I worry we are heading for another prolonged period of darkness and suffering. I already see knowledge and science being scorned/rejected for not following the new religion (Climate change, transgender, racism, etc.) And the masses don’t care as long as they can keep watching memes on their phones.
Thank you all. For the short period I have been posting on SDA (just under two years)
I have read thousands of intuitive thoughtful posts, but this thread has been the best I’ve read, by far! Of particular note, ET, Exasperated, Anne, David Murrell, Don, but there were many more. Indeed great food for thought, and some very bright minds.
Thanks to Kate for SDA’s initial creation. In our sad current existence, such threads and posts give me hope that all is not lost. I agree bleak and dark times are ahead, but is not lost when there are such people able to articulate what many more are experiencing.
Again, thanks to all who post, but those that stand out, I salute you. There are many more that are not noted above, and I thank those people too. As long as there are patriots and ardent supporters of rights liberty and freedom, there will be a force of good, for evil to always be reckoned with.
I am late to posting here, but agree with GerryK. Great discussion. Thanks everyone.