Remember the good old days when journalists and social media companies felt it was their duty to allow you to consume the information you wanted? That’s so . . . 2015!
Remember the good old days when journalists and social media companies felt it was their duty to allow you to consume the information you wanted? That’s so . . . 2015!
Can’t wait to see what Santa Trump puts under the Liberty tree for Silicone Valley today.
A very promising development: Trump may order the FCC to use existing laws and regulations to, ironically, impose new regulations on the tech giants who allow content to be posted on their websites. To date those companies have been exempt because they claimed that they did not control the content. Since they are, in fact, extensively controlling content by removing political views they disagree with, the exemption should not apply. Bring it on, President Trump!
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/trump-goes-after-political-bias-in-executive-order-that-targets-twitter-and-facebook
That’s not how freedom, private property rights, or the law works.
“But the President of course has no power to revise statutes such as 47 U.S.C. § 230 by executive order. He can order his subordinates in the federal Executive Branch to apply laws in various ways, but § 230 is enforced in judicial proceedings (state and federal), not by federal prosecutors or other Executive Branch employees. ”
https://reason.com/2020/05/27/trump-to-sign-executive-order-on-social-media-amid-twitter-furor/#comments
The President is a whiny fascist baby, example XXXVI
Don’t feed the troll, people.
never do John, if see unone on the page and just skip it.
I know, but Trump reigning in the social media collectivists and subjecting to the limits of other media. He’s a fascist?
Divert, invert, project, even if you have to lie about it; better still lie about Trump lying about his opinion, that liar.
It all makes sense if you don’t bother to think about. We now seem a mix of apathetic sheeple and power trippers.
Most rational people, iow excepting the raging, pathological Trump haters, are getting better at detecting fake news.
This covid crisis and the immeasurable incompetence of the media has cemented public belief in their dishonesty.
Your entire post is an exercise in projection.
we will see how they like being a publisher…rather than a platform….and have to ban 1/2 of their users
Trump doesn’t have to impose any new regulations at all….that’s the funny part….they blew it when they started dictating content
…all the FCC has to do it enforce the existing laws….
They can take it to court…but they’ll lose
You simply don’t understand how S230 works.
What’s plain is that we need a decentralized internet like MAIDSAFE where the authorities can’t shut any part of it down by going after some central office.
Don’t feed the troll, people.
l do understand UM….banning content they consider objectionable is generating content
..that’s not the same as porn, violence, etc
S230 does not care whether or not the platform moderates content and was indeed created to encourage moderation, Breitbart alternate universe lies and BS aside.
https://reason.com/2020/05/28/47-u-s-c-§-230-and-the-publisher-distributor-platform-distinction/#comments
unDORK, hi troll!!
This is a major dilemma.
You’ve got a free speech, at least pretend.
You’ve got a free press, at least pretend.
Then you’ve got corporations that would like to limit both. They do, however you look at it. They got the government by the balls, made the government to suit their wants to them specifically. These corporations have monopoly on information and debate, that in itself is against US law. That would be fascism, what’s interesting in this case that nobody wants to say the word.
Trump must be thinking how to align this to keep the 1st amendment as a superior to every ‘law’ and every regulation and make a private company pay heed. This will require some extraordinary footwork.
Here in the benevolent dicktatorship there is no politician in any capacity that would stand up and say that’s enough.
The guy in charge is trampling on every damn right from peoples to provinces to the country’s and there is no active opposition to the nonsense.
His old man made the constitution of this country for the benefit of the bottom feeders and the ruling class.
The niceties relative to the citizen are so relative they mean nothing. The state will tell you what to say and what not to say, to stay home and to go out when they want you to. Where you can and can’t go, arbitrarily, regardless of common sense.
One could go on and on, though you get the drift.
They, the corporations need to be responsible for their actions since they
Actually, when you think about it, the CeeBeeCee and other mass media cartel close their comment sections when they know what to expect for their fake news.
This is egregious! People now like to use texting to say whatever we would say in private conversations. This may be dangerous, as views that are unusual now get people fired. Personally, I am careful about what I put online, which is very sad.
Everyone should be allowed to express what they think. You do not have to read crap on Twitter, if is not your taste, just the same as a person next to you, but they should be allowed to say it. Just ignore it, or challenge if you feel like it.
If we can not have dialogue, our western democracies are dead.
There is this thing about ‘should be allowed’ the wording must be that ‘the state can not infringe on freedom’.
Of course, then there is this other thing, that you got to take the heap of criticism when you talk stupid.
I don’t mean you, its a manner of speaking.
Conservative Victim Complex strikes again.
..so does liberal victim complex…twitter has removed their “fact check” already
someone in their legal office told them Trump was right
No he’s not. You have no idea how any of this works and neither does Trump.
Stop making me agree with UnMe.
You don’t have a right to use someone else’s computer for free.
Four web sites do not have a monopoly on anything. You’re all just too lazy to look up the alternatives.
Removing S.230 instantly destroys the Internet as we know it and gives Big Social Media more control, not less.
Stop whining. Stop demanding that Big Daddy Government step in and make the Bad Corporation do what you want. What is this., California?
The guy who doesn’t want the BiG Daddy GovERNment stepping in but supports a special law made by the government especially for a handful of selected companies that permitted them to become monopolies. Good stuff.
None of those “selected companies” even existed when S.230 was written. And four web sites are not monopolies. for the love of St. Michael the Archangel, could you people take just five minutes to understand the issues you’re bleating about?
Some of us have tried to explain to you in the past that we see the posting ability on Twitter or Facebook or others as being similar to the Ma Bell monopoly. In the past, you had to use their services to have a phone at all. The product that was made public was “access to be able to place phone calls.” The medium was the telephone (bought or rented/leased) and the physical switching and wires that let the caller communicate with others. The breakup meant that you could have access to the physical switching and wires without having to deal with the monopoly front-end. If you use Bell and I use Telus, I can still talk to you.
In this case, the product is the ability to make posts in a “public” forum. If Facebook or Twitter doesn’t like you, then you are denied the equivalent of a dial tone, and shadowbanning means that your outgoing phone calls ring and ring but the intended recipient never knows you tried to call. You cannot use another front-end to connect to the postable forum. If you use Facebook, then their monopoly means that I cannot connect with you in that supposedly public forum unless I use Facebook. I can’t communicate with you on the posting service if I use SomeNewApp. And Facebook and Twitter not only have patents on some of what is needed to post, they aggressively buy out competition to maintain their monopoly.
If you disagree, please state why in a way that even UnMe could follow, because your blind refusal to discuss has lead me to think you don’t understand where us anti-monopoly types are coming from.
“we see the posting ability on Twitter or Facebook or others as being similar to the Ma Bell monopoly”
And you were wildly wrong and continue to be.
“you don’t understand where us anti-monopoly types are coming from.”
I know exactly where you’re ‘coming from’: entitlement mentality and butthurt over losing the culture wars, bigly. Throwing out antisemites and racists is good for Twitter and FB business. That this means also throwing out a bunch of conservaderps is a problem only for conservaderps and not the one you think.
As DR stated, a world without S230 is a world without comment sections basically. Further, S230 does not care whether or not a platform moderates comments and was actually made to encourage moderation.
ah, the old “you’re rubber and I’m glue” defense.
Shush, the grown-ups are talking.
Daniel IMO you are comparing apples to oranges. Google was started at Stanford University, not exactly a hotbed for free market capitalism. They have become the largest media company on the planet using their original quasi public status to avoid anti-trust. When Microsoft tried some of the guff google has pulled they were hit with anti-trust suits.
Literally nothing you just wrote is true.
Menlo Park Stanford Universty runs on government funding and how about the special relationship enjoyed with monster government agency, NASA. it certainly didn’t hinder their early development prior to offering shares to the public.
daniel understand $$$$$$$ for once in your life!
Just wondering what your response might be, should a conservative – leaning website such as this decide to trash your inane comments and ban you from participating? Of course, you know that would be unlikely, given that “whiny fascists”, unlike leftist dorks, believe in free speech, however trite and predictable it (you) may be.
Most liberals think the old rules apply, where they call for civility and fairness from the right, then laugh and do whatever they like. No more. No, it’s time to think: “What would liberals do?” We know the answer.
I’d shrug, and move on to one of the thousands of other sites that serve the same niche. Kate’s blog, Kate’s rules. I have no right to use her computer for free, and just like Google, Facebook, Twitter et al, SDA doesn’t have a monopoly on anything.
Oh, hey, remember when Kate was forced to put an apology to Richard Warman on the masthead of her blog because Kathy Shaidle said mean things about him? That is a direct consequence of Canada not having an equivalent of S.230.
This kind of thing was bound to happen after everybody clicked on “I agree” to the Twitter/Facebook/Google/etc Terms of Service as they relate to the US Constitution.
It’s all fun and games for Liberals until it bites them in the a$$. In my opinion Twitter crossed the line when they began editing content vis a vis shadowbanning and other nefarious deeds, now they’re in the realm of fact checking. Okey dokey. Idiots! Couldn’t leave well enough alone, nope.
Interesting as well to see Liberals suddenly becoming jack’s Praetorian guards, going on about “freedom”, “private entities” and “property rights”, yada, yada yada and my personal favorite… “If you don’t like it, then don’t use it” trope. All well and good of course until they want you to bake a cake for gay weddings or get their thongs in a wad over some bush league comedian in Vancouver cracking wise to a lesbian heckler then they’re all F you and your rights.
Jack made his world…now he can start living in it like the rest of us.
Anyways, I doubt anything will come out of this. All huff ‘n’ puff. Which is too bad.
Never thought I would see the day when commenters on a right wing blog site would be begging the government to step in and dictate to a private company what content they must distribute.
It’s all fun and games and hilarity now when Trump is doing it to Twitter – wait until the next Democrat is in office and suddenly it won’t be so great.
Were you all so supportive of Trudeau’s $600M media bailout? All rabid supporters of government-approved content on the CBC? Or you only approve of the state controlling content when certain governments do it?
Trump’s delicate feelz > free speech
“Never thought I would see the day when commenters on a right wing blog site would be begging the government to step in and dictate to a private company what content they must distribute.” The law must apply equally to all. The big tech companies are supposed to be kept safe from consequences of evil posters by agreeing to be an unbiased public square.
If Antifa members co-ordinate a mugging and store burning on Twitter then Twitter is supposed to delete it. They haven’t been. If Twitter chooses to take sides on matters of opinion (“the president is wrong, here are the opinions-that-we’re-presenting-as-facts that say so”) and take down posts with whom they disagree, then that means that they should be able to be held liable for the co-ordination of the mugging and arson allowed on their system.
If two men are fighting and the police arrive and proceed to hold one combatant so the other can continue pummeling, then the police are taking an active hand in the assault. Does that frame it in a way that makes sense to you? (Yes, the example is extreme, but it’s meant to illustrate a worst-case for one-sided behavior.)
“The big tech companies are supposed to be kept safe from consequences of evil posters by agreeing to be an unbiased public square.”
That’s not how S230 works: https://reason.com/2020/05/28/47-u-s-c-§-230-and-the-publisher-distributor-platform-distinction/#comments
“Does that frame it in a way that makes sense to you?”
No no one’s rights are being assaulted. No has the right to be a retard president on Twitter without getting corrected.
Way to miss the point. Again.
Shush, the grown-ups are talking. If you want to join in, learn to make a coherent argument or comparison instead of dropping URLs like they are the ultimate font of wisdom. If you can think, by all means join in. Until then, shush.
President Trump signed the executive order today. The highlights from the White House:
“• Makes it U.S. policy that platforms who selectively edit, censor, or are not acting in “good faith” with regards to content will not receive the liability protection included in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act
• Directs the Commerce Department to petition the FCC to make clarifying rules on Section 230 in line with U.S. policy
• Helps stop millions of taxpayer dollars from being wasted by federal agencies on advertising with biased social media platforms
• Ensures the Justice Department will review more than 16,000 complaints about politically motivated censorship that were collected by the White House in advance of a Social Media Summit held last year
• Mobilizes State Attorneys General—who have massive subpoena and consumer protection authorities—to ensure social media platforms are not engaging in unfair or deceptive acts or practices
• Acts as federal law and lists the many ways in which tech platforms act with bias against viewpoints they disagree with”.
That first point is totally insane and demonstrates that Trump does not understand how S230 works. Also how does the president get to ‘mobilize state AGs’?
Some 9th circuit judge needs to enjoin this and get the rest of the 9th to kill it.
Hush, the grown-ups are talking.
Service providers like phone companies aren’t held liable for slander/libel because they have absolutely no control what’s said on their lines, nor do they want to. Twitter on the other hand, manages, edits, censors and moderates. Y’know…stuff publishers do. Jack’s had a good run hiding behind his ever so sacred S230 but he blew it. Now he can start paying for his sh*t like everyone else. Don’t like someone because of his political bent? Good, explain it to a judge. Corporate media has to account for their actions (See CNN vs. Covington) now jack will have to as well.
Do I like what I’m seeing? Actually no, I’m rather saddened by it to be honest and sorry it had to come to this but Dorsey brought this on himself and anyone with half a fng brain had to know this was coming.
I still don’t think anything will come of this…but hey, who knows.
Actually the EO is kind of brilliant.
If a platform provider plays their cards right,they can refuse to censor any content at all and steal Fakebooks lunch..
This might return the internet to its best days.
No control at all.Totally free speech.And all the do-gooders,scolds and nags can go pound sand.
Well…unone was successful once again in taking over this post.
Any thoughts on Tucker ripping CNN to shreds again!?
I think he did a great job!