It’s Probably Nothing

“While the rest of us were arguing about sexism and transgender bathrooms, China was taking control of our health care system”

The Great Decoupling is about to begin.

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70 Replies to “It’s Probably Nothing”

      1. That lot will try to decouple us from our neighbour , our indispensible ally, our most important trading relationship, in favour of their patron, China. Because they can’t pay back the money they accepted and they can’t admit they secretly sold us to China’s service as a conduit to American markets.

        1. There was a reason why the liberals, under Cretin, took the death penalty off the books, for the crime of high treason. Liberals have been blatantly selling out Canada for the last half century. They were more discreet before that.

    1. Moving manufacturing to China was ‘just good business’. Now, getting out of China is ‘just good business’.

      China is one colossal petri dish. Politics is irrelevant. At the street level, where anyone and everyone can buy and sell virtually anything, especially food stuffs, there are no controls, no regulation.

      The current epidemic is not new. As long as I can remember, strains of influenza have originated in China. It’ll happen again and again, and the large companies (like Apple) will develop plans to diversify and derisk their supply chains. The lower tier suppliers will follow.

      Some will come back to the USA (just how labour intensive is pharmaceutical production anyway? For quality control it must be highly automated), but not all. Companies will be looking hard at Mexico again. Canada? Not for a second.

    2. She better not be. Decoupling will leave us vastly poorer. Fucker Carlson is a moron.

      If there’s any decoupling, it’s likely the US being decoupled from influence in the world. Not many people jumping aboard its Crusade against Huawei.

  1. It’s so frustrating that people are tying this to politics. There’s no means to prevent such an outbreak outside of an authoritarian state with the capacity to shut a country down in the way the Chinese were able.

    The best a democratic government can do is slow it down to better manage the impact.

    The onus is on the citizens to be prepared, take sensible measures to protect ourselves and use the precautionary principle. In the final analysis, it will be the changes in social behavior, coupled with herd immunity created by those who become infected and survive that will end the outbreak.

    1. Was out of the country for the last 2 weeks, was able to get FOX news. One of those big DOW Jones down days, turned on FOX and Cavuto was on. Nearer to the end of the program he had on two guesses(financial/Wall St. types, not political) to give their ideas about the effects of the CoronaV and the economy/stock markets.
      One guy said things are going to get much worse, there’ll be more slow downs to the economy, and the stock markets are likely to continue to slide,,, over time.
      The other guy basically said the dip in the markets was from fear mongering, and essentially was saying,,, that this is America, were smarter and brighter, and we’ll be able to handle the spread, the fears are over blown, blab, blab, blab…
      The wife and I just laughed, because there is no way,,, no how, Western democracies can isolate and contain there citizens, like the ChiComs are doing right now. It will never happen, not for 4 weeks, not for 3 weeks, not for 2 weeks. First of all, people in those large urban centers wouldn’t abide by it, Secondly, it would cause the collapse of the economy.

      1. Never underestimate the effect of sentiment and emotion on the stock market.

        We’ve been due to a correction of some sort for quite a while. The broad sell-off wasn’t entirely unexpected.

    2. Shorter version

      Don’t expect the government to be there to protect you.
      Since time immemorial it’s always those closest to the castle keep that are used as a shield against the barbarians at the gate.

    3. Even an authoritarian state like China can fail to contain this sort of thing. Their system has apparent advantages, but there are still individual humans making vital decisions at critical moments, and they can make the wrong ones. If/when that happens, you see the authoritarian system has its own way of failing. In either case, it is as you say, the actions of the ordinary citizens in aggregate that will determine how many survive, and how successful the recovery will be.,

    4. However this turns out, hopefully much of our manufactured goods get pulled back to North America, especially our medicines.. And Tucker is a force… Gets excited, but well worth the watch.

      1. And how do you propose to compete in NA given our labor costs here vs China.

        Whose gonna buy an iPhone 21 @ 3500 USD.?

        I’m all in favour of doing so, but wanna see just what the deal will be…

        1. In China it’s more cost effective to have 1000 men with baskets working in a mine than 1 haulage truck.

          The way we stay ahead is that one of our employees produces more than 1500 of them, because of how we work. Working smarter, not necessarily harder. Our culture of adaptation and flexibility doesn’t lend itself well to authoritarian government.

        2. Whose gonna buy an iPhone 21 @ 3500 USD.?

          Everybody who thinks they can’t live without one.

          Me, I stopped using cellphones more than 15 years ago. I chucked it against the wall when Rogers jerked me around for the last time. Then again, I eschew “social media”, so I guess I don’t need one.

        3. The issue is not one of labour cost, the issue is one of productivity to labour cost. North American industry is more productive and uses less energy to produce the same goods (of higher quality as well, since we don’t substitute materials the way China does), and then there is the issue of cost of shipping. Also, it is almost impossible to run a Just In Time supply chain with overseas goods, which means added costs for warehousing.

          Cost of production of an iPhone is a negligible amount, prices are not set by cost of production, it is set by supply and demand.
          Estimated cost to produce an iPhone X is 412.75 according to https://us.blastingnews.com/tech/2017/09/how-much-does-it-cost-to-produce-one-iphone-x-unit-002019307.html
          This same source lists major 3rd party (Samsung, Toshiba, Bionic, etc.) components prices totalling 266, which leaves all other 3rd party components, in house components, and Chinese labour at 146.75 combined. I don’t think there would be too much change in price if the phones were made in North America with the extra productivity and reduced logistics overhead. Overseas production is more about escaping an insane regulatory environment than cheap labour.

      2. WTF is “our” manufactured goods? Feel free to buy overpriced nonsense domestically. I want mine as cheap and good as possible.

  2. I was not aware that so much of our medicine is made in China, 95%!? Tucker is spot on, our elites sold us out to make themselves fabulously wealthy, now we are at China’s mercy.

    1. It’s been covered here in the past under the post topic of “pharma shrugs”, but the topic trailed off in recent years.

    2. Powerful stuff.
      USA has the means to do so. Canada will continue to sell out to China.
      Canada is being left behind

    3. Tucker correctly identified the problem, but didn’t suggest any remedies. How do we convince pharma companies to produce at home? Tariffs? Tax incentives? Legislation requiring it?

        1. Allow testing from other jurisdictions? Update advertising regulations? How long was it between aspirin being used to treat early stages of a heart attack before it could be advertised in the US and Canada? Why do so few Canadian blood donors know the huge heart benefits for men who regularly give blood (heart attack and stroke reduction to start)?

        2. That’s a non-solution to a non-problem. China is just better at making this stuff for the time being, and there’s nothing wrong with China producing tons of it.

          1. Bullshit, and you know it. China has virtually no regulatory oversight, especially for export products, regarding quality, safety, or the environment.

            And it is a serious problem to be dependent on anyone who is not a good faith actor and is at best benignly malevolent. Don’t think for a minute that China would not cut the supply of essential drugs, or anything, to try and secure an unfair advantage, and they would not be concerned at all about the impact on people, they killed 100 million of their own people on purpose.

            If the worst case projections of 80 million dead from covid 19 were to come true, that would still make it only the second deadliest plague out of China, and still come behind the Chinese Communist Party.

    1. Yes we do. The alternative is a massive increase in cost of everything. In any event, there is no ‘we’. Trade with who you want to.

  3. Let’s wait and see, if any of the gov’t. financed mainstream media present a similar analysis in some detail………….

    I’m waiting…

    I’m still waiting…

    Oh right, they’d need permission from the Libranos first, and the Libranos need to get permission from Beji..

    I don’t know what year of the animal it is in China? Corona-virus, maybe? But here it’s the year of the monkey, and as for the organ grinder’s organ. It says made in China.

  4. Oak Ridge National Laboratory supercomputer used to identify drug compounds that could help fight coronavirus

    https://oakridgetoday.com/2020/03/05/ornl-supercomputer-used-to-identify-materials-that-could-help-fight-coronavirus/

    A compound, shown in gray, was calculated to bind to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, shown in cyan, to prevent it from docking to the Human Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme 2, or ACE2, receptor, shown in purple. (Image credit: Micholas Smith/Oak Ridge National Laboratory, U.S. Department of Energy)
    Note: This story was last updated at 10:55 a.m.

    The Summit supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Laboratory has been used to identify drug compounds, including medications and natural compounds, that could help fight coronavirus, although more study is needed.

    “The researchers used Summit, the world’s most powerful and smartest supercomputer, to identify 77 small-molecule drug compounds that might warrant further study in the fight against the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, which is responsible for the COVID-19 disease outbreak,” ORNL said in a response to questions Wednesday.

    The researchers performed simulations on Summit of more than 8,000 compounds to screen for those that are most likely to bind to the main “spike” protein of the coronavirus, rendering it unable to infect host cells. They ranked compounds of interest that could have value in experimental studies of the virus. They published their results on “ChemRxiv.”

    Chinese researchers have sequenced the virus, and they discovered that it infects the body by one of the same mechanisms as the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, virus that spread to 26 countries during the SARS epidemic in 2003, ORNL said in a press release Thursday. The similarity between the two virus structures helped with the study of the new virus.

    Jeremy C. Smith, Governor’s Chair at the University of Tennessee and director of the UT/ORNL Center for Molecular Biophysics, assumed the two viruses may even “dock” to the cell in the same way, ORNL said. Team member and UT/ORNL CMB postdoctoral researcher Micholas Smith built a model of the coronavirus’ spike protein, also called the S-protein, based on early studies of the structure.

    “We were able to design a thorough computational model based on information that has only recently been published in the literature on this virus,” Micholas Smith said, referring to a study published in “Science China Life Sciences.”

    After being granted computational time on Summit through a Director’s Discretionary allocation, Micholas Smith used a chemical simulations code to perform molecular dynamics simulations. Those analyze the movements of atoms and particles in the protein. He simulated different compounds docking to the S-protein spike of the coronavirus to determine if any of them might prevent the spike from sticking to human cells, ORNL said.

    “Using Summit, we ranked these compounds based on a set of criteria related to how likely they were to bind to the S-protein spike,” Micholas Smith said.

    The team found 77 small-molecule compounds, such as medications and natural compounds, that they suspect may be of value for experimental testing. In the simulations, the compounds bind to regions of the spike that are important for entry into the human cell, and therefore might interfere with the infection process, ORNL said.
    After a highly accurate S-protein model was released in “Science,” the team plans to rapidly run the computational study again with the new version of the S-protein, the lab said. This may change the ranking of the chemicals likely to be of most use. The researchers emphasized the necessity of testing of the 77 compounds experimentally before any determinations can be made about their usability.

    “Summit was needed to rapidly get the simulation results we needed. It took us a day or two whereas it would have taken months on a normal computer,” Jeremy Smith said. “Our results don’t mean that we have found a cure or treatment for the Wuhan coronavirus. We are very hopeful, though, that our computational findings will both inform future studies and provide a framework that experimentalists will use to further investigate these compounds. Only then will we know whether any of them exhibit the characteristics needed to mitigate this virus.”

    Computation must be followed by experiment. Computational screening essentially “shines the light” on promising candidates for experimental studies, which are essential for verifying that certain chemicals will combat the virus, according to Jeremy Smith. The use of a supercomputer such as Summit was important to get the results quickly.

    Researchers started working on the project during the second week of February, ORNL said. The research is funded by ORNL’s Laboratory Directed Research and Development program and the National Institutes of Health (through the University of Tennessee). The Summit supercomputer is a DOE Office of Science User Facility funded by the DOE Advanced Scientific Computing Research program.

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  5. A comment by Chow Dong on Tucker’s video brought up the case of Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, which was covered by CBC, and this is one of their videos:
    https://youtu.be/g7fWLs6pl78
    Everyone most likely read the story about Dr. Xiangguo Qiu when she was escorted out of the Winnipeg lab in July amid an RCMP investigation into what’s being described by Public Health Agency of Canada as a possible “policy breach”. She was invited to go to the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time.
    This story was updated as late as October 2019: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/national-microbiology-lab-scientist-investigation-china-1.5307424

  6. As well, some of you might be interested in seeing this story for no other reason than the juxtaposition of the two flags (esp. for those of us who recall JT’s expressed admiration for China where things get done).
    https://edmdigest.com/news/china-ebola-virus-flight/
    “Deadly viruses quietly transported out of the country, foreign scientists unceremoniously removed from their labs, a China connection, possible theft of intellectual property – it all sounds like an intriguing Hollywood thriller. In this case, however, the scenario is real but no conclusion or explanation is in sight.” By David E. Hubler
    Contributor, EDM Digest

    Note: This story was originally published on In Homeland Security.
    Not everyone listens or watches CBC, but I’m sure there are some who will recall when this was covered by CBC:
    “According to the CBC’s Karen Pauls, on March 31, scientists at Canada’s National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg, Manitoba, sent live Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on a commercial Air Canada flight.”

  7. A silent tragedy here is the fact that all this research that has now been unlocked was “for sale” in the first place, most of it produced with public money.

  8. Just curious, I have to wonder if Weng Meng who is still under house arrest in Vancouver is still eager to get back to China?
    I’m willing to guess that she may be ready to surrender to the US authorities and find refuge in a US jail. Likely has a much lower risk than a hospital in Vancouver.

  9. In the archives of this blog, there are tons of posts by those who frequent this blog, to the affect that outsourcing to China is grand and makes perfect sense. How many faces does each of you have?

    1. You say there are “tons and tons of posts”. Well then it should be pretty easy to dig some up. Provide examples.

      1. Yes troll UnMe regularly comments defending globalism, Open Borders, and China’s totalitarian State with any related or unrelated SDA posts.

    2. There are no posts here that suggest anything of the sort. There may be commentors who argued that, but that’s the nature of debate.

      1. Possible. I never bothered to catch the names. I am just stating that back in the day the notion that since China invested heavily in the US economy, outsourcing to China was Okay.

        And apologies for mixing posts with comments! I am backwards when it comes to social media.

  10. I find it amazing that it took this long for the situation we are now in to happen. I have been saying for years that the drive for the almighty dollar would be our downfall and it looks like it just might happen. I remember saying years ago when we were getting cheap Chinese junk in our hardware stores that it was going to come back to bite us in the ass. It’s sad that every time I said anything I would get the same lame answer,” well it’s cheaper than one made here in Canada, and if it breaks I’ll just go and buy another one “. Now our manufacturing sector is gone and it seems no one cares. Even our government seems to be quite happy to have a close loving relationship with the Chinese. I guess we are getting what we wanted after all….Steve O

    1. “our manufacturing sector is gone ”

      That’s a lie, and even if it were true it doesn’t matter. No country needs to manufacture a single thing.

      1. So UnMe, are you suggesting that we handle the balance of trade by selling them take out? How far will Skip The Dishes deliver anyway? Just how will we continue to pay for the imported goods if we make nothing ourselves? I guess you figure we can all just work for the government then?

  11. This crisis unfortunately is going to highlight the extremely poor leadership we have in Canada. If we are going to have a federal government, we better get a competent one fast. Justin needs to go!

    1. Won’t happen as long as he is a “dreamy dreamboat” in the minds of the morons who vote for him.

  12. Tucker also noted is his excellent video that shutting down the US energy sector is the prime goal of the various groups in Canada protesting and physically shutting down this vital sector. It has already happened in Canada with the compliance of Trudeau and his people.

    1. Actions speak louder than words …. The objectives of the Liberal party are abundantly clear and those objectives are not helpful to ordinary Canadians especially westerners and those who’s livelihood relies on natural resources and agriculture. We are in a type of warfare and it is ugly. The messaging of our foes is slick – we need to find ways to counter the message. Globalists and NGOs have captured our governments. We need to take control back.

      1. The messaging of our foes is slick – we need to find ways to counter the message.

        How likely will that be when just about everyone one sees is focused on their soma devices, otherwise known as smartphones? They’re so addicted to whatever they see on them that it’s unlikely that anyone would ever stop and think about it.

        1. Exactly. It is one of the reasons for the new Liberal direction of attacking another sector of the Canadian economy, the communications companies.
          What is it with Liberals anyways? Why such hatred for success? If the Liberals want to attack REAL greed, there seems to be a lot of silence regarding the Big Banks.
          Seems pretty plain that the banks cost every Canadian far more than $10 a month in overcharges, but these are the bagmen for the Groper
          Liberals

          1. You have that backwards Dan. Political parties are nothing more than public relations firms hired by the banks and their huge symbiotic corporations.

  13. “China did this to the world.” Yes. Yes they did.

    Why the F do we choose to do business, any business at all, with the world’s largest communist dictatorship? This has always bothered me. Especially as the son of a combat wounded Korean War vet. It’s time to end this “globalism” charade. Continuance of this stupid policy benefits China to the detriment of the non-China world. They do not mean us well. Enough.

    1. “We” didn’t.

      No referendum was ever called anywhere seeking the consent of the people to allow unscrupulous businessmen to export their jobs to Red China.

      1. That’s because we, the great unwashed, are seen as being too stupid to make decisions for ourselves.

          1. Just because outsourcing all your manufacturing to a country whose people’s ultimate goal is to take over the world and enslave or exterminate you is profitable does not make it a good idea, much less an activity that decent people should tolerate.

            Yes we do have business dictating that the only thing we need to trade with the enemy is atomic weapons.

            This is an act of war. A virus developed in Chinese bioweapons labs will probably kill hundreds of thousands of Canadians and millions of Americans. And you still want to talk about how often you can replace your iTurd?

            I don’t know where your mother went wrong, I really don’t.

            The Great Uncoupling has begun. You will not be able to replace your smartphone every couple of years without leaving mom’s basement and getting a job. You’ll get over it.

          2. “Yes we do have business dictating that the only thing we need to trade with the enemy is atomic weapons.”

            No you don’t FO and get your hand out of my Made in China wallet.

          3. Actually it’s because ‘we’ have no business deciding who people trade with.

            And the government has no business making decisions on my behalf, claiming it represents my views without consulting with me, a citizen, first.

            No taxation without representation.

    2. The Liberals have ALWAYS been sympathetic to Red China, you can go further back than Cretch, back to Fuddle Duddle, as they were also admirers of the dictatorship. The ties are long and strong, to our detriment.
      There’s many places in the Lower Mainland, that one would swear you were in Shanghai…..no English spoken, no written language, a sea of……….Chinese.
      As each day passes, for many reasons, I’m not sure what kind of country this is anymore. It’s not the one I grew up in, and it resembles, more and more, a lawless totalitarian regime, out of touch with common people, controlling just enough with soft propaganda and lies.
      I want a new country.

      1. Dan BC, You do realize that they have been massing on the border for years for the coming “Great Invasion” don’t you!
        (sarc off) I live in BC as well, outside the lower mainland (thankfully) and have seen this rising for years. Of course, we don’t have a language police like keebec! Yep it’s totally like a Chinese province. I’m not happy about it either, but if I gotta choose, I’m thinking that I prefer the Chinese over an Islamic caliphate! I just wish we were in a position that no choice was even needed!

      2. “There’s many places in the Lower Mainland, that one would swear you were in Shanghai…..no English spoken, no written language, a sea of……….Chinese”

        The horror! THE HORROR

    3. I have made it a point to check labels. I have gone to 3, 7, 12 different stores looking for a particular thing that was made in a place not China.

      Most are simply unwilling to do that. I make it a point to look for Taiwan, Germany, Japan, anywhere else basically.

      Most, simply grab the cheapest thing from the shelf.

  14. That was one of the best comments I’ve listened to in a long long time.
    Tucker is bang on.

    As for Chinada…we’re still accepting flights from China & Iran right…?? No screening still.? I smell Alexandre Trudeau’s rotting stench in that.

    If there ever were a time for a J2F team to do some work “in-country”, now would be it….y’all realize it will need to happen..??

    I have Zero faith in any other political structure in this broken country, RCMP, Media, SCOC, Civil Service…. All bend the knee to Justin & Co..

    Who ya gonna call…??!

    1. Right on! With ya, no faith whatsoever in these governments, at all levels. Here in BC, local governments are all progressive, with the gamut of all the usual policies, climate change, homeless, bike lanes, while they keep raising our home taxes every year, with no benefit to homeowners.
      No need to explain the Commie NDP or Groper’s juvenile team, self-explanatory.
      Corona might just be a warmup act for a real crisis, that none of these boot licker, photo-op schmoozers have a clue to resolve. But they sure can write a nice speech and wordy letters!
      Same groups that have California turn into a progressive dystopia, yet they ignore the problems as much as possible, or, express faux sympathy and token, meaningless actions that do nothing to resolve problems. And the public swallows the pablum of propaganda.

      Crisis? What Crisis?

  15. I do my best to buy Canadian or American when I can and have all my life and I’ve been willing to pay the premium. Most people look at price tags because they have to pay off the credit card purchase of a cruise on the SS Petri Dish.
    So many Canaduhians work for the government they don’t care about unemployment rates or manufacturing plants closing because they have a job for life.
    Think a f’n teacher or professor gives a shit about blue collar plant workers?

  16. “Make them eat their words.

    Strip them of their power.

    Never listen to them again.”

    Tucker is missing a couple of steps.

    Pay them the wages of treason.

    Do it in public.

    Make it hurt.

    Make everyone tempted to follow in their footsteps listen to THAT.

    When you make it clear that treason doesn’t pay, you will get much less of it.

    1. The wages of treason seem to be 10.5 million in this country, and a judgeship for the enablers.

  17. So the Chinese steel and aluminium was just the tip of a gigantic iceberg. If America is as badly affected as Tucker claims then what chance for Canaduh! We’ve been dealing under the table with China ever since Maurice Strong got his fingers in the pie, so don’t expect the last fifty years to be undone in the next decade without a major economic bust.

    1. As Kate says, there is going to be a large pullout from China. There is a huge opportunity for Canada to take advantage of this. But Canada’s Liberal government playing nice and friendly with native and environmental activists *guarantees* that it won’t. In order to attract investment, a reliable supply chain is imperative and as we now see the government (and police) are either sitting on their hands or declaring surrender.

      What’s even worse is that Canada’s voting public is entirely clueless. Anyone who’s been paying attention the last few months knows who is in control, and it’s not Canada’s government. Leaders are too weak and voters are too ignorant, making investment in Canada far too risky.

  18. Why doesn’t Saskatchewan have nuclear power?
    Why doesn’t Saskatchewan produce medical isotopes?
    Why don’t we have an ice breaker better than the Yamal class?

    Ask Scott Moe.
    Ask Brad Wall.
    Ask Mulroney.
    Ask Trudeau.
    Ask Calvert.
    Ask Chretien.
    Ask big Roy.
    Ask Devine.
    Ask Martin.
    Ask Harper.
    Ask them all.

    And make your continued support entirely contingent on the actions they take, subsequent to that question.

    Ignore what they say.

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